Mafia Championship Scrimmage [END]

[Silverwolf]

Lol Silverwolf - such effort. I'm literally just ignoring MP right now. He's either derping hard or tryhard wolf. It's really not worth the effort.

If he's tryhard wolf, it is worth the effort to me.

@LC-if you think ika and I pad ourselves to midgame, why am I dying early in my games? Makes no sense you would say that.

Indeed. Actually, I had an epiphany earlier when I suspected you that if I were a scum, I would probably nk one of you before ever suspecting either of you so that I could take the other one of you on in the thread without having the other person in defence. If anything, I think the fact you look like the pair is a disadvantage for you staying alive. Except where you are both scum, in which case it might be an advantage in avoiding the lynch for a while.

If I die N1-there's a good chance ika is scum. I know that sounds weird since I defend him, but that's what he gives as a self meta tell all the time-he'd kill me N1 if he's scum.

[ika]

Inactive, not reading through the thread… is this his regular meta?

From my perspective, Wilgy is the most metaless player I know.

linki @ika - I bet. I can imagine you being very effective. I think the worst case scenario for you to is being on opposite sides and having to fool each other.

or worse, we are opposing scum teams.....

well maybe that wouldnt be so bad i would enjoy workin with her then :P

[Silverwolf]

i know i wanted to have some fun.

no but mp doesnt seem to believe in his push when he was pushing me when i called him out on it.

then when sivler moves her vote after MP was suspecing her slighy, makes a 180 and joins her

could you link me to the posts you are referring to? Please and thank you

sigh...... can you iso him and read that at least?

No. I am a lazy townie and I'm dragging you all down with me.

i know, im lazy too, i jsut got home from baingout of state

Yeah, I hope this happens. It would be so much fun.

[Silverwolf]

OMG-I quoted the wrong thing-that was meant for ika's saying we want to be scum together.

[ika]

If I die N1-there's a good chance ika is scum. I know that sounds weird since I defend him, but that's what he gives as a self meta tell all the time-he'd kill me N1 if he's scum.

she does have a point too......

after turf and my breakdown i had.......

just ya.... if i can i will most likely kill her n1/2

[Sloonei]

Are the people who are caught up on this thread reading Frog as town?
Also Frog, how are you currently reading me?

[DrWilgy]

Am I a slanker?

You're a slankpapotomus :-P

haha, of the other 3 players in the POE with you, who would you lynch and why?
Between:
Marshmellow
Pirformus
A2theZebra

Zebra probably, I didn't like her response to your plan Mr. Frog. It read to me like she took it as an attack. I'm unsure why she would take it as such when it was simply a scum hunting tool suggestion.

Pirformus... I dont remember reading anything of thiers. Nor do I know who they are so it's a perfect null.

Marmot is Marmoting and I see no reason to vote him.

ISO'd Dr Wigly, he's posted no content whatsoever, if I had to compromise, I'd lynch here.

Lies.

ISO'd Dr Wigly, he's posted no content whatsoever, if I had to compromise, I'd lynch here.

I feel the same, up to where I'm at. I nearly voted Wilgy when I unvoted, but in the end I thought it better that I catch up first.

More lies.

Something I'm curious about now that I'm thinkin about it. Why didn't the players who I had gut read as bad express anything towards the subject? Or... Did I just miss it?

[Golden]

What about the fact he is attacking ika for RL? Got any issues with that?

Now that I know what you mean by that.

My interpretation of MP's case is that ika hasn't made any substantial scum reads of his own. You could call this that ika's contributions have been quantity over quality. Maybe he has rl reasons for this, and I'm trying to get a handle on whether it makes ika bad or good. I doubt I'll vote ika today (at least, not solely on the basis of this). But I don't think MP's view is unreasonable... for whatever reason, ika hasn't yet been making his own scumreads, and I think you will agree that 'I suspect x because they aren't developing scumreads' is an ok reason to suspect someone generally speaking.

I'm willing to give ika time because his rl situation has been mentioned and it makes sense to me, I'm much more likely to give a pass for someone (in the short term) if I understand why they might not have had time to catch up. This is also part of why I am fine with MP explaining why he wasn't going to be around - I'd rather people know if I won't be contributing much for a while rather than keep them guessing.

[DrWilgy]

What about the fact he is attacking ika for RL? Got any issues with that?

Now that I know what you mean by that.

My interpretation of MP's case is that ika hasn't made any substantial scum reads of his own. You could call this that ika's contributions have been quantity over quality. Maybe he has rl reasons for this, and I'm trying to get a handle on whether it makes ika bad or good. I doubt I'll vote ika today (at least, not solely on the basis of this). But I don't think MP's view is unreasonable... for whatever reason, ika hasn't yet been making his own scumreads, and I think you will agree that 'I suspect x because they aren't developing scumreads' is an ok reason to suspect someone generally speaking.

I'm willing to give ika time because his rl situation has been mentioned and it makes sense to me, I'm much more likely to give a pass for someone (in the short term) if I understand why they might not have had time to catch up. This is also part of why I am fine with MP explaining why he wasn't going to be around - I'd rather people know if I won't be contributing much for a while rather than keep them guessing.

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[ika]

i said it sevral times in thread golden that i was mobile and my data usages was at maxing so i couldnt do anyhting.

when MP attacked me at that angle is where i think hes scum, its easy pray

[Golden]

our top poster has pretty much focused only on me/Silverwolf.

Incorrect. I've suspected only you and silverwolf. That's a big difference.

If you iso me, you'll see I've provided at least some commentary on an awful lot of players. I don't need to provide commentary on a player I don't see anything to talk about. There are very few players I haven't mentioned.. Dizzy and Psi are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head, and thats because they are mysteries to me and I've had no gut read.

This is one of the most common reasons to mislynch me. I'll hound players when I get a whiff of suspicion. That doesn't mean the other content isn't there.

Yo Golden, let's talk. You say here that Dizzy is one of the ones that's a mystery to you, but Dizzy has posted way more substantive content than Psi. When you get a chance, do you mind taking a quick look at Dizzy's ISO and letting me know what you think? He's still my #2 town read.

I'll try looking at Dizzy's content soon, but I tell you my impressions of him so far are more like

He's fun and he'll fit in here
He has good cat gifs to express his thoughts
He is saying a lot of content which could be good

But I really don't feel anything when I read his posts, like 'YES, I AGREE!' or 'SCUMMIEST SCUM!'.

I like that he is willing to see both possible sides of the coin with me. I think he has both represented the game I've played well and identified the correct cautions in taking me as a town read.

OK, I've talked myself into a mild town read.

[sig]

Inactive, not reading through the thread… is this his regular meta?

From my perspective, Wilgy is the most metaless player I know.

linki @ika - I bet. I can imagine you being very effective. I think the worst case scenario for you to is being on opposite sides and having to fool each other.

I agree with this.

I'm also not reading Sloonies drop in activity as a baddie thing.

Also if I offended you about the old age thing sorry. I don't think I did, but figured I should apologize just in case.

[Golden]

I feel like you are only concentrating on my vote on MP and not any of my other content when I have given a lot of other content since then. I do find it slightly scummy to do that. You have to look at the bigger picture and you have to look at other people. You keep this tunnel vision on me, and I'll start ignoring you to move on to other things.

What I concentrate on in the thread is the stuff I want to talk through. I don't feel the need to list all the good content you make and say 'I agree with it'. This could account for the disparity. I kept concentrating on you because although I had some of the answers I needed and I could see you were putting out some good content, we hadn't fully resolved everything I want to understand.

We still haven't yet, because I'd still like to know more about where you stood on zexy and my feelings towards zexy which was one of the starting points yesterday but it got lost in the shuffle.

[Golden]

@Golden-constant excuses is because, besides the content I didn't like that I pointed out, he only was telling us his schedule and why he couldn't be here, I never doubted his RL, let me give you an example:

In a MS game offsite (ika-this is 188), there was a player named Ozgin. He was scum in that game. His first few posts were exactly like MP's-giving out his exact schedule of when he could post or not and continuing to do that. So this is why I am wary of it.

I was trying to get him to stop taking the time to do that, but to take the time to post content, when he could come back and do so.

If this doesn't make sense to you, I don't know what to do then.

I've been taking the time to post content whenever I'm here for longer than 2 seconds, so I'm not sure what you're going on about. I knew I would be incredibly busy yesterday; I warned you all of it. It's something I do in every game regardless of alignment. If you don't take my word on that, then fine, but one comparison to some other player in some other specific circumstance does not mean I'm the same alignment.

The way I take this is, SW feels you could have used the time telling us you weren't going to be around to make reads.

Personally, I know that you (and I, as well) have a need to tell people when we won't be around since we are such high posters that people suspect us merely for being quieter, even when we have rl reasons for it. But, I can see why silverwolf might not have realised there is legitimate reason why you need to do this. This post made me feel a lot better about her original vote for you.

[Silverwolf]

I feel like you are only concentrating on my vote on MP and not any of my other content when I have given a lot of other content since then. I do find it slightly scummy to do that. You have to look at the bigger picture and you have to look at other people. You keep this tunnel vision on me, and I'll start ignoring you to move on to other things.

What I concentrate on in the thread is the stuff I want to talk through. I don't feel the need to list all the good content you make and say 'I agree with it'. This could account for the disparity. I kept concentrating on you because although I had some of the answers I needed and I could see you were putting out some good content, we hadn't fully resolved everything I want to understand.

We still haven't yet, because I'd still like to know more about where you stood on zexy and my feelings towards zexy which was one of the starting points yesterday but it got lost in the shuffle.

I did do a Zexy ISO. Is there a particular post I missed on this? Can you direct me to it?

[sig]

Zebra popped in yet didn't post. I'm really starting to feel this Zebra vote.


@Golden what do you think of Zebra and Matt?

[Silverwolf]

ika-I'm having trouble keeping my light townread on you since you came back, please look more town, right now I'm moving you to null, I'd expect an early reads list from you as well, I'm giving you a break cuz you are out of town, but I need to see more

Zebra-Any comments on anything outside of Frog's plan?

[Golden]

Frog, what the hell is an obvious townie? There is no such thing. Also, you realize that's, like, your opinion, man. How come you get to determine what's easy mislynch bait and what isn't? We don't know anything until flips have occurred. Otherwise, stop acting like you have such confident reads.

I agree with this. Frog has started bothering me lately. No-one is an 'obvious townie', no-one is an 'easy lynch' (let alone silverwolf and ika who come with a built in ally) and if there really were easy lynches, I'd think they would be the people who weren't posting ie the ones you, Frog, are pushing.

It makes me feel a little less confident in my initial town read.

[Golden]

You can call me Marmot.

That said, I'll be busy most of the rest of today, but I'll be around tomorrow to chat with all you fine amphibians.

I'd rather call you Marmellow.

[Golden]

Also if I offended you about the old age thing sorry. I don't think I did, but figured I should apologize just in case.

My body is breaking down, sig. I need to do, like, regular warmups and stuff. My hamstrings feel permanently short. And I'm having to deal with impending parenthood. I'm old. I can handle it!

[Golden]

I feel like you are only concentrating on my vote on MP and not any of my other content when I have given a lot of other content since then. I do find it slightly scummy to do that. You have to look at the bigger picture and you have to look at other people. You keep this tunnel vision on me, and I'll start ignoring you to move on to other things.

What I concentrate on in the thread is the stuff I want to talk through. I don't feel the need to list all the good content you make and say 'I agree with it'. This could account for the disparity. I kept concentrating on you because although I had some of the answers I needed and I could see you were putting out some good content, we hadn't fully resolved everything I want to understand.

We still haven't yet, because I'd still like to know more about where you stood on zexy and my feelings towards zexy which was one of the starting points yesterday but it got lost in the shuffle.

I did do a Zexy ISO. Is there a particular post I missed on this? Can you direct me to it?

Oh, somehow I missed this, I'll go back and look at it first and then if I have any questions I'll let you know.

[Golden]

Zebra popped in yet didn't post. I'm really starting to feel this Zebra vote.


@Golden what do you think of Zebra and Matt?

Matt is definitely not playing this game. If he was he would be tunnelling on me.

Not a fan of zebra this game. She may well be truthful in her feeling on the low poster idea, but if I were town I'd be much more inclined to come in and explain why I've been a low poster - not to criticise the entire concept. I think in some ways Frog is right that perhaps the most useful outcome of his idea is to look at who opposes it a little too hard.

[Golden]

Rainbow time - decided to treat it like gth and have no null reads.

Medium Town

Marco
Sloonei
Zexy

Mild Town

Frog
MovingPictures07
Silverwolf
Dyslexicon
Long Con
sig

Mild Bad

ika
Inawordyes
Psittaciform
Soneji
Metalmarsh89

Moderate Bad

a2thezebra
DrWilgy

[Frog]

Rainbow time - decided to treat it like gth and have no null reads.

Medium Town

Marco
Sloonei
Zexy

Mild Town

Frog
MovingPictures07
Silverwolf
Dyslexicon
Long Con
sig

Mild Bad

ika
Inawordyes
Psittaciform
Soneji
Metalmarsh89

Moderate Bad

a2thezebra
DrWilgy

I like this. We can be friends now. *ribbit*

btw - im totally being useless until closer to EOD.

[Golden]

btw - im totally being useless until closer to EOD.

Tactics or alcohol?

[Frog]

After digging around I recognized certain rules with respect to scum teams that I will now make public:

1) Scum teams are not granted pre-game discussion
2) Scum teams ONLY have night chat

Therefore, scum could be attempting to communicate in the broad day light with respect to coordination.

I found a few fishy open communication posts before, but I didn't act on it because I couldn't be certain. Frankly, I'm a bit surprised I'm the only one who has caught it, perhaps it's because these rules aren't standard for those of us off-siters?

In any event, take heed fellow forum noobs. :-)

[Frog]

btw - im totally being useless until closer to EOD.

Tactics or alcohol?

Haha, a bit of both. IAWY probably knows exactly what I'm going to do, but I won't spoil it just yet.

[Golden]

The second rule (night chat only) is far from normal here.

[ika]

The second rule (night chat only) is far from normal here.

^that, from what i read in rules it was only made like that due to not knowing if MU is doing it

[Frog]

For the record - the champs will have pre game chat, Day and Night chat. I'm pushing for Night only, based on MafiaScum's noobie statistics that they've compiled based on C9 day and night chat scum teams, with scum teams winning well above majority of the time (I want to say it's somewhere around +80%)

But we've been playing with pre, day and night chat a lot recently, and effective Town communication almost always stomps scum. The only way scum usually ends up winning in variable open 17er type games is where town is too consumed by TvT arguments, which is what I'm trying to impress on everyone.

[DrWilgy]

Rainbow time - decided to treat it like gth and have no null reads.

Medium Town

Marco
Sloonei
Zexy

Mild Town

Frog
MovingPictures07
Silverwolf
Dyslexicon
Long Con
sig

Mild Bad

ika
Inawordyes
Psittaciform
Soneji
Metalmarsh89

Moderate Bad

a2thezebra
DrWilgy

What puts me as lowest?

[Golden]

Your early contribution was minimal. What put you at lowest on the post count?

I don't really know where you stand on anything.

I want to see more of your doctoring skills.

To be fair, those weren't in rank order within the categories, and for now I'll

VOTE A2THEZEBRA

[Frog]

Annnnd I'm 5 beers deep. AMA

[Epignosis]

Annnnd I'm 5 beers deep. AMA

Seventeen here. About average. A little high since it's the weekend.

[Frog]

Annnnd I'm 5 beers deep. AMA

Seventeen here. About average. A little high since it's the weekend.

Haha, ok I'll just assume it's medical.

Let me tell you something, I used to dive into that when I was in university. My attendance suffered, my grades suffered, and I had to work extra hard just to win class contests or take the best exam grades. Eventually, and this came gradually, I realized that if I wanted to be responsible I had to drop that habbit. I dropped it, and I got into all sorts of stuff. I'd spend my weekends learning how to fish, or woodwork, or run marathons, or get into oil painting, or writing novellas, or getting into game theory, or studying commodities markets, etc. The doors pretty much opened up for me then on in because I was ready to accept whatever I could pursue. Honestly, my biggest fear was if anything ever happened to my family or my friends, I wanted to be in the right mental state of mind to do something about it. The extra efficiency was a benefit.

#oldfartwisdom

TLDR - I'm 5 years old #troll

[Dyslexicon]

When does day end *has no concept of time*

[Frog]

When does day end *has no concept of time*

I'm assuming it ends at the end of sunday EST

[Dyslexicon]

When does day end *has no concept of time*

I'm assuming it ends at the end of sunday EST

Oh right. Different lengths in the weekends or whatever. *goes back to sleep*

[Frog]

I wish for a day chat mason

rawr - im getting bored and know what I have to methodically do, but im just kind of lazy atm.

obviously, it's an im possible wish, just... still wish it.

[Inawordyes]

Inaword, Why is your vote on a complete lurker? You have like no game content so far, just being lol haha flowers yay.

VOTE INAWORDYES

Yay, a vote! Someone likes me!

Haha sorry, I'm playing less like MU and more like MM, and on my homesite we tend to RVS the players who haven't posted or voted on D1 because our games are role-heavy. We go for getting as much info on everybody rather than necessarily figuring out the scum team straight-out. I was also busy all day today so I didn't have any time to come in and adapt to new info. I'm catching up now though, so if there's anything of interest that y'all want me to take a look at, quote it and let me know! I probably won't reply to much on my catch up, so feel free to call attention to something I may have skipped over too.

[DrWilgy]

Your early contribution was minimal. What put you at lowest on the post count?

I don't really know where you stand on anything.

I want to see more of your doctoring skills.

To be fair, those weren't in rank order within the categories, and for now I'll

VOTE A2THEZEBRA

Well perhaps if you've read my responses to what I have thought about the game you would know. I don't see a civvie Golden shipping my lynch as much as he is without knowing anything about me. While it has been small in amount, I have been rather clear about what I think so far.

VOTE GOLDEN

[Frog]

Inaword, Why is your vote on a complete lurker? You have like no game content so far, just being lol haha flowers yay.

VOTE INAWORDYES

Yay, a vote! Someone likes me!

Haha sorry, I'm playing less like MU and more like MM, and on my homesite we tend to RVS the players who haven't posted or voted on D1 because our games are role-heavy. We go for getting as much info on everybody rather than necessarily figuring out the scum team straight-out. I was also busy all day today so I didn't have any time to come in and adapt to new info. I'm catching up now though, so if there's anything of interest that y'all want me to take a look at, quote it and let me know! I probably won't reply to much on my catch up, so feel free to call attention to something I may have skipped over too.

HotTopics!

Vote someone between:
Dr Willy
Marshmellow
Pilforesefre
A-Zebra

These guys were the lowest posters between the first 24 hour period and were active (so that sunbae [not halpert] dude hasn't even showed up)

I'm assuming, and anyone who is town should assume 1/4 chances of scum.
Apply logic that wolf teams need not solve the game, therefore low posters.
Apply anecdotal evidence of wolf teams usually having at LEAST one slanker.

1+ wolf exists between those four.

We're basically choosing now which one to lynch. Bottom line, these are our 4 wagons.

We can VCA it afterwards.

[Golden]

Your early contribution was minimal. What put you at lowest on the post count?

I don't really know where you stand on anything.

I want to see more of your doctoring skills.

To be fair, those weren't in rank order within the categories, and for now I'll

VOTE A2THEZEBRA

Well perhaps if you've read my responses to what I have thought about the game you would know. I don't see a civvie Golden shipping my lynch as much as he is without knowing anything about me. While it has been small in amount, I have been rather clear about what I think so far.

VOTE GOLDEN

How much am I 'shipping your lynch' Wilgy? I haven't voted for you at all. I haven't pushed others to vote for you.

I have read all of your posts. As I said (although perhaps not clearly) I even isoed you. You saying you have a handful of 'gut reads' doesn't tell me where you stand on anything. It could just as easily be pulling reads out of a hat. I don't know 'nothing about you'. You have been clear, but you haven't said much that is meaningful.

And you also just chose not to answer my question. Why have you been so quiet? You could have contributed a lot more even within the posts you have. Why haven't you explained your gut reads well?

[DrWilgy]

My phone died ;__;

I barely have a means to play this game efficiently without my ringer dinger.

[DrWilgy]

My phone died ;__;

I barely have a means to play this game efficiently without my ringer dinger.

[Inawordyes]

Spoiler: show

Since I'm playing to my standard MMMeta, might as well continue the RVS! D1 is the time to hear from everyone, so since Soneji is the only who left who hasn't checked in yet, my vote goes with him for the moment. Heyo Soneji! How are you doing? TELL US THE NAMES OF YUR SCUMMEHS!!!

*cough* Ahem, who would you, er, "conveniently" place as your list of baddies? Yeah, that's a good question. I'll show him!]/s]

I'm pinged here by inawordyes's declaration that he is playing to his own meta. Dom caught me in Arkham Mafia for saying this same thing. It indicates the mindset of someone who is purposefully making posts with the intention of playing to an existing standard, which can be defended against with the mere declaration that it's "my meta".

Huh, nice catch! That Ina girl is pretty teh scummehs.

Haha I didn't really mean anything by it, I was just commenting that I was gonna play as myself, my standard play, rather than the aggressive MU play that I have to adopt to adapt. I guess saying meta kinda soured the whole intent though, so I'm sorry for that.

Any questions you have about my meta? I can link games from across my MM spectrum for reference if you guys want.

[Silverwolf]

VOTE A2THEZEBRA

[Frog]

Lol - I just read your posts and realized I'm so much nicer on this forum. I'm usually much more aggressive. Honestly, I'm afraid that I'll break any rules, especially after someone thought I was personally insulting them. TBH I'm used to environments where personal insults are a form of testing someone out. And I'm not talking about forum 'games'.

[Inawordyes]

I don't have an overview over who knows who, who's from here and how familiar this type of setup is to people, and I'd really like to have that.

So I'll just state that:
- I've played a couple of games with PSI.
- I'm not from here (but I really like the site *buddies everyone)
- I consider this setup pretty standard.

And if other would like to share that would be appreciated.

I like this.

- I'm a fairly regular member of the Syndicate community and have played with most of the players in this game, but this is not my "home" site.
- Players I've not played with before are: Dyslexicon, Frog, Inawordyes, Marco, Psittacitform, Zexy.
- Played exactly 1 game with each of Ika, Soneji, Silverwolf
- I've never played a semi-open setup before, and I've not heavily played in games with role claiming in years, and even when I did I was never big on doing it.
- I'll be playing in the Champs tournament next month, can't wait to see you other dudes there, whoever you are.

I'll do this myself as well.
- I have played extensively with most of the players in this game, and it is my home site.
- Players I've not played with before are: Dyslexicon, Frog, ika, Inawordyes, Marco, Psittacitform, Silverwolf, and Zexy.
- Played exactly 1 game with Soneji, but it was on NF and I sucked.
- I've never played a semi-open setup before in my over 5 years of playing, and I've not heavily played in games with role claiming until the past year. I've played maybe a handful of such games.
- I'm the alternate for the Champs tournament on TS, so I'll get to watch Golden kick some ass.

Why not!

- I am a first-time Syndicate member, but I have extensive Forumafia experience on my homesite, MafiaManiac, and also am a regular on Mafia Universe.
- Players I have played at least one game with before are: Frog, Zexy, Kia, and sig.
- I've played in several semi-open setups, both on my homesite and on MU. Almost every game I've played on MM involve role claiming because there are rarely if ever any vanilla goodies, though some players who host dislike claiming and actively try to work game mechanics in to discourage it (such as a player losing their action the following night if they claim).
- I am currently in the running for being the MM rep for the Champs tournament, but I am not one of the high-nominated players and will likely at this point be neither the rep nor the alternate.

[Inawordyes]

However- going to have to agree with you. Ore flip associations are usually lol. But let the ENTP in me lay out all of the tinfoils anyway!!!

You're ENTP? You should join PersonalityCafe lol \o/

I'm INTJ.

INFP checking in! I'm like a unicorn among the personality types because I'm a guy haha.