The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:JJJ why do you think some one would come out and call you bad in the right up?

The only person who knows the answer to that is the person who did it. I can do as much as guess:

This person suspects me to be bad, realizes that I tend to be difficult to lynch without behind-the-scenes influence, and tried to use his/her role power to motivate other people toward making that happen instead of compiling a case (which might genuinely be less effective for that objective).

I'm not going to lie to you, right now you are a slight mafia read on my list, but that's because of of the volunteering a strong civ in a dual thing.

As for Dom it seems like he is playing for fun and I haven't seen him use this tactic as a mafia member before so I'm leaning town.

Scotty who is on your short list to dual today.

I also I agree with Scotty why are people giving him civ cred for winning the dual? Couldn't he have just rolled better then the Doctor?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Expect gigantic MP catchup post some time within the next 24 hours. Probably towards the latter end of that spectrum though. It will happen.

Just realized the first day of Fall '16 isn't tomorrow, but Tuesday, so I don't have to teach my first class until Wednesday. I love teaching, but given my current time crunch, that was a pleasant surprise of extra time.

I can't wait. What are your thoughts about my game so far?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:JJJ why do you think some one would come out and call you bad in the right up?

The only person who knows the answer to that is the person who did it. I can do as much as guess:

This person suspects me to be bad, realizes that I tend to be difficult to lynch without behind-the-scenes influence, and tried to use his/her role power to motivate other people toward making that happen instead of compiling a case (which might genuinely be less effective for that objective).

I'm not going to lie to you, right now you are a slight mafia read on my list, but that's because of of the volunteering a strong civ in a dual thing.

I can understand that people disagree with that strategy. I have not endorsed actually applying it yet myself either, it's a circumstantial thing. Do you suggest that there is no circumstance that could possibly happen in this game where it might be prudent to consider an alternative to the obvious suspect vs. suspect dynamic?

This phase is moving slower than I'd like. A baddie was eliminated on Day 1. Get excited folks.

For the moment my votes are most likely to fall on Metalmarsh and Russ. I'm wide open though; I just need people to get in here and say some dang things. Make posts. Be merry.

I've come around a lot on the dueling thing. I've now seen its merits. If we ever have a consensus mafia read, we should force them to challenge Scotty the People's Champion.

Metalmarsh89, would you like to duel Scotty?

Turnip Head wrote:I've come around a lot on the dueling thing. I've now seen its merits. If we ever have a consensus mafia read, we should force them to challenge Scotty the People's Champion.

Metalmarsh89, would you like to duel Scotty?

What? No. I thought we talked about this in the snowglobe of day 1 and we basically decided as a group that we should pit Mafia reads against Mafia reads. Y U do this, Veggie Head?

I may have won a fight, but I'm okay with letting that initial fight be my legacy. More like Sinead O'Connor, not like the Dixie Chicks.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Scotty who is on your short list to dual today.

As I said in my previous post, Dom and Bubbles.

Bubbles' post offering that she just votes how she votes as also serves as a way to hide behind it. That may be "just normal Bubbles" but I'm not a big proponent of following people's meta for alignment.

I could vote for TH just for attempting to prop me up to the wolves again- not by calling me bad, which I assume he was doing on day 1 to a certain extent, but because he wants to see if I really am the Girl On Fire

Scotty wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I've come around a lot on the dueling thing. I've now seen its merits. If we ever have a consensus mafia read, we should force them to challenge Scotty the People's Champion.

Metalmarsh89, would you like to duel Scotty?

What? No. I thought we talked about this in the snowglobe of day 1 and we basically decided as a group that we should pit Mafia reads against Mafia reads. Y U do this, Veggie Head?

I may have won a fight, but I'm okay with letting that initial fight be my legacy. More like Sinead O'Connor, not like the Dixie Chicks.

I want you to be all that you can be.

Turnip Head wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I've come around a lot on the dueling thing. I've now seen its merits. If we ever have a consensus mafia read, we should force them to challenge Scotty the People's Champion.

Metalmarsh89, would you like to duel Scotty?

What? No. I thought we talked about this in the snowglobe of day 1 and we basically decided as a group that we should pit Mafia reads against Mafia reads. Y U do this, Veggie Head?

I may have won a fight, but I'm okay with letting that initial fight be my legacy. More like Sinead O'Connor, not like the Dixie Chicks.

I want you to be all that you can be.

Thanks Mom

Dom wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dom wrote:Folks, don't trust Lyin' Scotty and Tricky Jay. Lyin' Scotty looked for an opportunity to seize power without any sort of content. Tricky Jay has used bad thinking all game. Not good, folks, not good.

I don't necessarily think you're bad Dom, I'd just like to have a conversation. What have I said or done that you haven't liked?

My distrust of you, Tricky Jay comes from you campaigning for yourself for prefect. That seems wildly out of character for you.


(c) Paid for by Dom/Nju 2016

I mean I campaigned for prefect. Maybe he's confusing him for me? This explanation for voting me also does not satisfy me because it is an easy out and was made after the fact. Tell me how if you believe I attempted to seize power without content was levied with INH's ad campaign was any different.

Oh, also INH had been in Psych and is still MIA since Day 1. So what's up with that? I could vote him as my second pick.

Ignoring my terribly written sentences I just wrote, I also must say so that Epi doesn't gouge his eyes out:

"Duel" is not the same as "dual". Dual is two. Duel is sparring.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:JJJ why do you think some one would come out and call you bad in the right up?

The only person who knows the answer to that is the person who did it. I can do as much as guess:

This person suspects me to be bad, realizes that I tend to be difficult to lynch without behind-the-scenes influence, and tried to use his/her role power to motivate other people toward making that happen instead of compiling a case (which might genuinely be less effective for that objective).

I'm not going to lie to you, right now you are a slight mafia read on my list, but that's because of of the volunteering a strong civ in a dual thing.

I can understand that people disagree with that strategy. I have not endorsed actually applying it yet myself either, it's a circumstantial thing. Do you suggest that there is no circumstance that could possibly happen in this game where it might be prudent to consider an alternative to the obvious suspect vs. suspect dynamic?

It could definitely be a strategy used down the road, but I think it's to early to do it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey Marmot, please talk about those things I said about you related to Wilgy.

I don't have much to say about Wilgy. I would've liked to lick him myself, but I'm still pleased to see him slain.

What does it mean to be a prefect? Also, considering your vote total, why did you vote the way you did on Day 1?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey Marmot, please talk about those things I said about you related to Wilgy.

I don't have much to say about Wilgy. I would've liked to lick him myself, but I'm still pleased to see him slain.

What does it mean to be a prefect?

I'm not asking you to talk about Wilgy. I'm asking you to talk about the things I said about you at the start of this day phase.

Why are you asking me a question about being a prefect that you know I cannot answer?

Also, considering your vote total, why did you vote the way you did on Day 1?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Also JJJ, though I'm reading you as town right now, I was surprised to not see your votes used for self defense when you showed up at deadline.

Yeah I got here at literally XX:58 and had to phone vote, I didn't even look at the tally. I'm surprised I even got my votes in on time.

Checking the tally first might have prevented me from getting my votes in, it was that close. I didn't know I had received as many votes as I had when I placed mine. I kind of just had to throw my votes down without thinking, so I put 'em on the two suspects I had talked the most about on Day 1.

EBWOP

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey Marmot, please talk about those things I said about you related to Wilgy.

I don't have much to say about Wilgy. I would've liked to lick him myself, but I'm still pleased to see him slain.

What does it mean to be a prefect?

I'm not asking you to talk about Wilgy. I'm asking you to talk about the things I said about you at the start of this day phase.

Why are you asking me a question about being a prefect that you know I cannot answer?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Also, considering your vote total, why did you vote the way you did on Day 1?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Also JJJ, though I'm reading you as town right now, I was surprised to not see your votes used for self defense when you showed up at deadline.

Yeah I got here at literally XX:58 and had to phone vote, I didn't even look at the tally. I'm surprised I even got my votes in on time.

Checking the tally first might have prevented me from getting my votes in, it was that close. I didn't know I had received as many votes as I had when I placed mine. I kind of just had to throw my votes down without thinking, so I put 'em on the two suspects I had talked the most about on Day 1.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:So, we have two baddie factions that are supposed to kill each night and neither of them did. Is an entire team filled with inactives?

There are obviously other possibilities, but this game is as lurker-loaded as anticipated so it could be.

I was thinking the same thing. And Epi usually accepts group PMs if I remember correctly, so even if there is one active player, they should be able to submit the kill, I would think anyway. However, we have to keep in mind all the secrets and other crap loaded into games like this. You never know what could have happened. Benefits were given out to the prefects as well as the winner of the Day 1 Duel. So....maybe one team was inactive and the other had something working against them. Not sure. But I am with you that there has to be at least some inactive baddies b/c there are so many inactives in the first place.

Also, I like your theory on MM.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm only sad that I couldn't face DrWilgy in a duel myself.

Nobody died, there are two mafia teams that can kill. I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of them missed their kill.

And in other news, JaggedJimmyJay is bad.

What's yer beef, Marmot?

Epignosis posted it, and he knows your role.

Shoot, I looked at that post from Epi and I thought....."whatever, moving on," There's probably something like a 90% chance that Zhuge Liang is wrong. MM, you're just having fun and stirring the pot

Oh my goodness....I am reading and making comments on posts and then I get to the bottom of the page and there are three more pages to go! I think I'll go watch some tv.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey Marmot, please talk about those things I said about you related to Wilgy.

I don't have much to say about Wilgy. I would've liked to lick him myself, but I'm still pleased to see him slain.

What does it mean to be a prefect?

I'm not asking you to talk about Wilgy. I'm asking you to talk about the things I said about you at the start of this day phase.

Why are you asking me a question about being a prefect that you know I cannot answer?

Also, considering your vote total, why did you vote the way you did on Day 1?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Also JJJ, though I'm reading you as town right now, I was surprised to not see your votes used for self defense when you showed up at deadline.

Yeah I got here at literally XX:58 and had to phone vote, I didn't even look at the tally. I'm surprised I even got my votes in on time.

Checking the tally first might have prevented me from getting my votes in, it was that close. I didn't know I had received as many votes as I had when I placed mine. I kind of just had to throw my votes down without thinking, so I put 'em on the two suspects I had talked the most about on Day 1.

I don't know what you can talk about wert the prefect business. Thanks for clarifying.

You summarized (iso'd) DrWilgy's interactions with me, and called them iffy. Why are they iffy?

Elohcin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:So, we have two baddie factions that are supposed to kill each night and neither of them did. Is an entire team filled with inactives?

There are obviously other possibilities, but this game is as lurker-loaded as anticipated so it could be.

I was thinking the same thing. And Epi usually accepts group PMs if I remember correctly, so even if there is one active player, they should be able to submit the kill, I would think anyway. However, we have to keep in mind all the secrets and other crap loaded into games like this. You never know what could have happened. Benefits were given out to the prefects as well as the winner of the Day 1 Duel. So....maybe one team was inactive and the other had something working against them. Not sure. But I am with you that there has to be at least some inactive baddies b/c there are so many inactives in the first place.

Also, I like your theory on MM.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm only sad that I couldn't face DrWilgy in a duel myself.

Nobody died, there are two mafia teams that can kill. I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of them missed their kill.

And in other news, JaggedJimmyJay is bad.

What's yer beef, Marmot?

Epignosis posted it, and he knows your role.

Shoot, I looked at that post from Epi and I thought....."whatever, moving on," There's probably something like a 90% chance that Zhuge Liang is wrong. MM, you're just having fun and stirring the pot

Oh my goodness....I am reading and making comments on posts and then I get to the bottom of the page and there are three more pages to go! I think I'll go watch some tv.

I'm checking to see who's paying attention. Epignosis is our dear host, not a player in this game.

Thanks for the vote explanation though Jay. I buy it.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:You summarized (iso'd) DrWilgy's interactions with me, and called them iffy. Why are they iffy?

The reason you provided for voting Wilgy and I for prefect can be viewed with some doubt now that he's flipped as he has. I'll just copy/paste the rest.
Quin raised a good point as well when he identified the counter-productivity of your voting behavior. You supported Wilgy in the prefect vote, and then you voted to put him in a duel and potentially die.

I'm pretty sold on voting MM unless something big changes my mind. Dunno what to do with my other vote, other than send Scotty as The Mountain to Marsh's Viper.

Or I could always vote myself so that I can duel the marmot and bring honor to my home.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:You summarized (iso'd) DrWilgy's interactions with me, and called them iffy. Why are they iffy?

The reason you provided for voting Wilgy and I for prefect can be viewed with some doubt now that he's flipped as he has. I'll just copy/paste the rest.

Spoiler: show

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Here's a list of people who haven't posted yet:

Bubbles
LoRab
rabbit8
Soneji

Eventually, I want to have a showdown with DrWilgy though.

This Wilgy mention seems rather arbitrary.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I should just start playing like MM. He has more fun than I do.

Are you not having fun?

Stay determined friend.

DrWilgy wrote:

nutella wrote:Oh I also want to hear more from Wilgy. I feel like he's usually a lot more active than this, but I keep forgetting he's even in this game and I don't think that's a good sign. Likewise with sig, to a slightly lesser extent.

How could you forget about me LoRab? I was at work and had dnd night, but never left...

LoRab hasn't posted yet DrWilgy. Does that bother you?

Softball question which doesn't really have the potential to lead somewhere meaningful.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Scotty wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

nutella wrote:Oh I also want to hear more from Wilgy. I feel like he's usually a lot more active than this, but I keep forgetting he's even in this game and I don't think that's a good sign. Likewise with sig, to a slightly lesser extent.

How could you forget about me LoRab? I was at work and had dnd night, but never left...

wat

It's like you just woke up from a bad dream at precisely the time someone talks about you

Marmot friend told me in btsc that I was being talked about.

Im very suspicious of Lorab now that you mention it Marmot friend!

Wilgy plays WIFOM, projecting MM as his team mate.

Quin raised a good point as well when he identified the counter-productivity of your voting behavior. You supported Wilgy in the prefect vote, and then you voted to put him in a duel and potentially die.

Counterproductive? I can understand that explanation. How would you justify it?

If the lynches didn't turn out to be duels, I likely would not have voted DrWilgy on Day 1.

Turnip Head wrote:Or I could always vote myself so that I can duel the marmot and bring honor to my home.

You declined yesterday.

Scratch that, I've confused you with Russ, TH.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Or I could always vote myself so that I can duel the marmot and bring honor to my home.

You declined yesterday.

If you vote for yourself, I will vote for Turnip Head.

Turnip Head wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Or I could always vote myself so that I can duel the marmot and bring honor to my home.

You declined yesterday.

If you vote for yourself, I will vote for Turnip Head.

*shakes hand

Agreed. I'll vote later once I've decided who else to vote.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Counterproductive? I can understand that explanation. How would you justify it?

If the lynches didn't turn out to be duels, I likely would not have voted DrWilgy on Day 1.[/quote]

This post confuses me. I'll try to answer it in pieces.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Counterproductive? I can understand that explanation. How would you justify it?

Is this supposed to be "can't"? The question mark after "counterproductive" suggests to me that you're not in agreement with that term being used.

If not, I don't understand the need to justify my explanation if it is understood. You supported Wilgy to earn a unique distinction and then you helped get him killed. I'm trying to discern why those two truths coexist in this game.

If so, I'd like you to tell me why you felt your actions were the appropriate actions to take.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:If the lynches didn't turn out to be duels, I likely would not have voted DrWilgy on Day 1.

What does this mean?

Turnip Head, what are your beefs with MM?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Turnip Head, what are your beefs with MM?

He made rude remarks about the size of my ancestors' bellies.

Yeah, you know, I'm just gonna lock this in: I'm definitely voting for Domald.

For my second vote, I've been stewing it over and am fine with voting MM. Wilgy's last remark about talking to MM in BTSC is something both of them would do as bad. I know MM would because in a game we played over in Bulba he outright said something like "I am totes bad lol" and I called his bluff to get him lynched day one, and we was indeed bad.

Plus he seems intent on becoming a gladiator, so I'll give him the honor he desires.

I would like to see one out of Metalmarsh89 and Turnip Head gone. I think I'm voting both.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Counterproductive? I can understand that explanation. How would you justify it?

If the lynches didn't turn out to be duels, I likely would not have voted DrWilgy on Day 1.

This post confuses me. I'll try to answer it in pieces.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Counterproductive? I can understand that explanation. How would you justify it?

Is this supposed to be "can't"? The question mark after "counterproductive" suggests to me that you're not in agreement with that term being used.

If not, I don't understand the need to justify my explanation if it is understood. You supported Wilgy to earn a unique distinction and then you helped get him killed. I'm trying to discern why those two truths coexist in this game.

If so, I'd like you to tell me why you felt your actions were the appropriate actions to take.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:If the lynches didn't turn out to be duels, I likely would not have voted DrWilgy on Day 1.

What does this mean?[/quote]

No, it's supposed to be a can. But for those of you calling it counterproductive, how do you interpret my reasoning for it? Why do you consider it vote-worthy?

I voted for prefects on my way out the door for a camping trip. I didn't know how the lynches were going to work, and I guess I had a different mindset when I returned. Additionally, I wanted to duel Wilgy. Had there been no duels, I don't think I'd have voted Wilgy.

Top candidates for my votes are MM, Dom, and maybe Russ or Bubbles. MM is looking more and more suspicious to me, I already bought JJJ's case and now all of MM's responses are rather disturbingly cavalier and many of his recent posts I have found suspicious in and of themselves. Earlier I said I didn't like either Dom's or Bubbles' votes; I'm pretty convinced that Bubbles is being her usual self but that doesn't preclude her being bad. Dom is just being incredibly annoying and not really providing sufficient content imo due to his obnoxious posting gimmick, and I am still perplexed by his voting behavior. And I'm keeping Russ on my list as well, since he hasn't given me a great impression overall, and I look forward to seeing what he has to contribute today.

Speaking of contributing, there are numerous players I would love to hear more from. INH, Niju, Bullz, Dunny, Timmer... where you at?

Soooooo....I may have not noticed my role PM. Thanks Juliets for letting me know I missed the start of the game! Now, to catch up.

Dom's responses haven't made him look better to me. I'm going to go ahead and vote Dom and MM.

Jan wrote:I would like to see one out of Metalmarsh89 and Turnip Head gone. I think I'm voting both.

Hey, Jan I was wondering if you had any rationale for your votes? Sorry if you did and I missed it...
By the way, it's awesome to be playing with you again old friend

I miss playing with you guys.

reywaS wrote:I miss playing with you guys.

The feeling is mutual.

reywaS wrote:I miss playing with you guys.

You should certainly sign up for one. We've got a couple cooking right now.

I don't think I find Dom especially suspicious. His approach might be frustrating, but I wouldn't call it baddie-indicative. I don't think he's hiding behind his Trump gimmick (accusations like that nearly always fall flat in my experience). He could perhaps do more to explain his actions, but if he was bad I think he probably would do that. It isn't like it's hard.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:No, it's supposed to be a can. But for those of you calling it counterproductive, how do you interpret my reasoning for it? Why do you consider it vote-worthy?

I voted for prefects on my way out the door for a camping trip. I didn't know how the lynches were going to work, and I guess I had a different mindset when I returned. Additionally, I wanted to duel Wilgy. Had there been no duels, I don't think I'd have voted Wilgy.

Talk about the other points I made. I'll give you some direct questions:

Why did you bring up LoRab when you conversed with Wilgy?

Do you think it's fair for people to suspect that you and Wilgy are both buckets of WIFOM and that his painting you as his team mate shouldn't just be discarded?

Why did you want to duel Wilgy?

Did you want to duel Scotty?

Were you trying to capitalize on me being called a baddie by the messenger town role at the start of Day 2?

Who are your suspects?

Do you prefer green beans or wax beans? Is this the interrogation room?

Glorfindel wrote:

Jan wrote:I would like to see one out of Metalmarsh89 and Turnip Head gone. I think I'm voting both.

Hey, Jan I was wondering if you had any rationale for your votes? Sorry if you did and I missed it...
By the way, it's awesome to be playing with you again old friend

They're the loudest out of everyone else. I was actually considering JJJ as well, but this message sent to the GM smells of a scumplay. Idk.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Did you want to duel Scotty?

Disregard. I thought your other vote was on Scotty, but it was on TH.

Did you want to duel TH?

If you wanted to duel Wilgy, why didn't you self-vote?

Actually I do have one ping for Dom.

Dom wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dom wrote:Folks, don't trust Lyin' Scotty and Tricky Jay. Lyin' Scotty looked for an opportunity to seize power without any sort of content. Tricky Jay has used bad thinking all game. Not good, folks, not good.

I don't necessarily think you're bad Dom, I'd just like to have a conversation. What have I said or done that you haven't liked?

My distrust of you, Tricky Jay comes from you campaigning for yourself for prefect. That seems wildly out of character for you.

(c) Paid for by Dom/Nju 2016

I'll channel our host here. That's more suspicious than the average adverb. I also don't know why someone who has played Mafia with me before is saying it's out of character for me to make myself the center of attention.

I won't be here for the rest of the phase so I'll vote now.

Russ for reasons already stated.

MM because I pretty much agree with Jay's vote analysis on him and this is MM so I don't expect to be able to read anything more from him.

I've not entirely excluded MP from my suspicion pool but I don't have anything new to adjust my read yet, and I don't want to tunnel based off of a Day 1 ping. I'll give him more time.

One of my votes will be going to marmot. I find it interesting that he's being defensive against 3J about his counter-productive Wilgy votes, rather than being pro-active and questioning me, who was the one who put that part of the argument together. I don't think he's tried to scum hunt at all since he came under fire.

I'm also voting Dom, based on the ping I got from an earlier post (just ISO me - I also mention the marmot there). He abandoned a discussion about something he thought was so clearly suspicious when prodded.