The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I think JJJ is trying to dig his scum teammate out of the shit tbh. It's easy to say "oh wifom as if he'd do that as bad" just as it's easy to say that he wouldn't have killed Epignosis, I love how he immediately ruled out the potential of he and a myriad of other players being responsible for the death of Epi because of interacting with him on the night immediately preceding Epi's death. I think JJJ is bad and is playing a very straight bat and leaning on wifom to throw us off. It's exactly how Wilgy and me play scum and tbh the fact that he referred to us as exponents of it makes me think he is extremely conscious that he is employing Maclike scum tactics in this game.

I have no idea what I am doing in this game that is supposed to be reminiscent of MacWilgy WIFOM. Be more specific because I think you made that up.

Otherwise, this says nothing other than "JJJ is defending Rico, thus they are team mates". That is weak sauce.

Ricochet wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Both Zebra and Motel Room have summed up my thoughts fairly well. Motel Room has drawn the same conclusions of Ricochet's play that has led to me reading the way I have, which is why I voted for Ricochet and Zebra explained exactly why I posted my first day 2 post when I dead, because I had stopped reading Rico's shit. Ricochet continuing to be antagonistic towards me on day 2 after dropping the policy lynch doesn't make me feel good as Mafia. Ricochet as well as the majority of the thread continuing discourse the involves me is annoying as fuck and my opening day 2 post reflects that, which Zebra adequately pointed out. Dom pointing out that the Ricochet/Mac stuff being unnoteworthy is also how I feel. It is annoying the fuck out of me that it continues.

Ricochet annoyed me for trying to policy lynch me day 1. I ain't about that life. That it started to bleed into day 2 started to . My first post reflected that. Zebra read well that I had stopped really reading his shit. Ricochet was not bad for it, but it definitely emotionally affected me. There is no way to say that bad rico wouldn't do it, or good rico is more likely because rico declared that he would do it before the game even started. He was all in on doing so before he drew a rolecard. So his day 1 policy lynch stuff is an absolute null.

Ricochet continuing to be hostile to me after that makes me think he is bad. I don't see any reason why he would feel the need to be antagonistic towards me, or make the post like "continue to kill whoever you want" if he is to be reverting to having a null read of me, which he should be. Motel Room did a good job pointing this out.

I think JJJ is trying to dig his scum teammate out of the shit tbh. It's easy to say "oh wifom as if he'd do that as bad" just as it's easy to say that he wouldn't have killed Epignosis, I love how he immediately ruled out the potential of he and a myriad of other players being responsible for the death of Epi because of interacting with him on the night immediately preceding Epi's death. I think JJJ is bad and is playing a very straight bat and leaning on wifom to throw us off. It's exactly how Wilgy and me play scum and tbh the fact that he referred to us as exponents of it makes me think he is extremely conscious that he is employing Maclike scum tactics in this game.

So far if I was to bucket people I would say I am reading Motel Room, Zebra, Dom and INH as civ because I can understand just about everything from them, there is no spin and it's easy to follow, and I am reading JJJ and Rico as bad because I can't rationalise some of their stuff. Everyone else is fairly neutral with the exception of Sloonei who I am gut reading bad but haven't got much in thread evidence to lean on. I think Dom is probably good.

MacDougall wrote:Both Zebra and Motel Room have summed up my thoughts fairly well. Motel Room has drawn the same conclusions of Ricochet's play that has led to me reading the way I have, which is why I voted for Ricochet and Zebra explained exactly why I posted my first day 2 post when I dead, because I had stopped reading Rico's shit. Ricochet continuing to be antagonistic towards me on day 2 after dropping the policy lynch doesn't make me feel good as Mafia. Ricochet as well as the majority of the thread continuing discourse the involves me is annoying as fuck and my opening day 2 post reflects that, which Zebra adequately pointed out. Dom pointing out that the Ricochet/Mac stuff being unnoteworthy is also how I feel. It is annoying the fuck out of me that it continues.

MacDougall wrote: Ricochet continuing to be antagonistic towards me on day 2 after dropping the policy lynch doesn't make me feel good as Mafia.

MacDougall wrote:as Mafia

I bet.

Ricochet wrote:Issuing a slight baddie, for realsies, on Mac. I've not remembered a single non-Rico read from him so far toDay, except if in conjunction with how people react to my situation.

Jay was entirely reasonable in what he pointed out. I expressed intent to move on, even if maintaining a bitter tone. You then came in only fixating on the latter to make me look like I'm drumming and planning nothing else. Now you keep at it with endless paragraphs. Ech.

Your vote is meant to look principled (Imma vote uu if u keep this up) and angery, but it doesn't hold up in context.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I highly doubt Ricochet is going to do this in every Day 1 you both play in from now on. Rico, if that's your intent then don't do that. It's silly.

There was a policy kill. It wasn't appreciated. There has now been threat of a policy lynch. It wasn't appreciated. Let's just play Mafia, eh? We've all played a million of these games, it doesn't have to be uncivil.

I hope you'll stay in the game Mac.

MacDougall wrote:Killing Epignosis and then blatantly wiping it away with your dismissal of the fact that those who suspected him could possibly be responsible. A very me thing to do.

Also fuck off making shit up m8. Fuck.

MacDougall wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I highly doubt Ricochet is going to do this in every Day 1 you both play in from now on. Rico, if that's your intent then don't do that. It's silly.

There was a policy kill. It wasn't appreciated. There has now been threat of a policy lynch. It wasn't appreciated. Let's just play Mafia, eh? We've all played a million of these games, it doesn't have to be uncivil.

I hope you'll stay in the game Mac.

I contest! If I want to kill Rico on day 1 of every game I am Mafia from now on it is my right as a Mafia aligned player to best assist my team. I don't think I will need to to win games as a bad guy but it is my right.

Railroading the entire in thread content of the game to push a selfish agenda that was never going to work is just cockery. It is not even remotely similar. He can appeal to the thread to remove me just in case I am bad and he is good... but that is pants on head moronic.

Glorfindel wrote:Mac, if I may ask a couple of questions of you without prejudice...?

Back on Day 1 in your defence to Ricochet in relation to your behaviour in Romance of the 3 Kingdoms, you made the following comment:

MacDougall wrote:Of course my intention in that game was to kill in the way that would most benefit me at the time. On several occasions nothing benefitted me much so I just chose to kill those who it would frustrate the most at the time or the player with the best rep. You had a loud and accurate read on me so I silenced you so you would have to watch me bullshit my way out of disappearing for days and then I killed you before you had a chance to achieve sweet release.

Now, in the last couple of hours, you've said:

MacDougall wrote:Ricochet annoyed me for trying to policy lynch me day 1. I ain't about that life. That it started to bleed into day 2 started to . My first post reflected that. Zebra read well that I had stopped really reading his shit. Ricochet was not bad for it, but it definitely emotionally affected me.

The first post above suggests that your approach to these games is relatively cold and clinical without any room for sentiment or emotion yet you claim that you became emotionally affected by Ricochet's pursuit of you into Day 2. This to me seems somewhat incongruous. Would you care to comment? Thanks.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Killing Epignosis and then blatantly wiping it away with your dismissal of the fact that those who suspected him could possibly be responsible. A very me thing to do.

Also fuck off making shit up m8. Fuck.

It may be a you thing to do. I don't know what point you're making though. What is the gain I am pursuing by killing Epignosis and then town reading the people who accused him the most during the night phase? Are you saying they're my team mates?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I highly doubt Ricochet is going to do this in every Day 1 you both play in from now on. Rico, if that's your intent then don't do that. It's silly.

There was a policy kill. It wasn't appreciated. There has now been threat of a policy lynch. It wasn't appreciated. Let's just play Mafia, eh? We've all played a million of these games, it doesn't have to be uncivil.

I hope you'll stay in the game Mac.

I contest! If I want to kill Rico on day 1 of every game I am Mafia from now on it is my right as a Mafia aligned player to best assist my team. I don't think I will need to to win games as a bad guy but it is my right.

Railroading the entire in thread content of the game to push a selfish agenda that was never going to work is just cockery. It is not even remotely similar. He can appeal to the thread to remove me just in case I am bad and he is good... but that is pants on head moronic.

I agree that it's dumb. He did a dumb thing on Day 1.

Welcome to Day 2. It's a wild new world with new posts and other topics of conversation -- if you're willing to read the thread.

Ricochet wrote:Elsewhere, zebra is putting so much prosecuting work into my case, it's hard to believe she'd be that overt in trying to dig me up. Labeling is ok for now

MacDougall wrote:You were one of them unless I misread it in my scan. In catch up mode I don't read posts I just look for tone bullshit.

MacDougall wrote:If I read the thread consciously enough to know every fact I would be unable to operate as a high powered businessman and superdad. Scanning for nuggets of poo is the best I can do these days.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:You were one of them unless I misread it in my scan. In catch up mode I don't read posts I just look for tone bullshit.

Yeah, I was in the middle of interrogating Epignosis when he ate dirt. Perhaps that influenced my perspective of Zebra and INH.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:If I read the thread consciously enough to know every fact I would be unable to operate as a high powered businessman and superdad. Scanning for nuggets of poo is the best I can do these days.

I'll give you a nugget of poo.

Talk about this post

MacDougall wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:You were one of them unless I misread it in my scan. In catch up mode I don't read posts I just look for tone bullshit.

Yeah, I was in the middle of interrogating Epignosis when he ate dirt. Perhaps that influenced my perspective of Zebra and INH.

So what I am saying is that you iced him because you knew it was a wifom bizarre move. And decided to be blatant about saying as much to wifom your wifom. And then started talking about wifom in the thread because wifom was on your mind because you did a wifom and then defended yourself with wifom.

Wilgy gets it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Nobody is an ideal vote Day 1.

Do you believe my last minute switch is an important topic going into Day 2?

It's worth discussing. Scotty was the lynch, we know his alignment, and so anything relevant to Scotty is worth discussing.

You've still not answered the question. Your posts on this page have no function. You specifically elected to take your vote off of Scotty and then you placed it on sanmateo. You must have thus felt that sanmateo was "closer" to ideal than Scotty was as a voting option. Describe the thought process that took you there.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Both Zebra and Motel Room have summed up my thoughts fairly well. Motel Room has drawn the same conclusions of Ricochet's play that has led to me reading the way I have, which is why I voted for Ricochet and Zebra explained exactly why I posted my first day 2 post when I dead, because I had stopped reading Rico's shit. Ricochet continuing to be antagonistic towards me on day 2 after dropping the policy lynch doesn't make me feel good as Mafia. Ricochet as well as the majority of the thread continuing discourse the involves me is annoying as fuck and my opening day 2 post reflects that, which Zebra adequately pointed out. Dom pointing out that the Ricochet/Mac stuff being unnoteworthy is also how I feel. It is annoying the fuck out of me that it continues.

Ricochet annoyed me for trying to policy lynch me day 1. I ain't about that life. That it started to bleed into day 2 started to . My first post reflected that. Zebra read well that I had stopped really reading his shit. Ricochet was not bad for it, but it definitely emotionally affected me. There is no way to say that bad rico wouldn't do it, or good rico is more likely because rico declared that he would do it before the game even started. He was all in on doing so before he drew a rolecard. So his day 1 policy lynch stuff is an absolute null.

Ricochet continuing to be hostile to me after that makes me think he is bad. I don't see any reason why he would feel the need to be antagonistic towards me, or make the post like "continue to kill whoever you want" if he is to be reverting to having a null read of me, which he should be. Motel Room did a good job pointing this out.

I think JJJ is trying to dig his scum teammate out of the shit tbh. It's easy to say "oh wifom as if he'd do that as bad" just as it's easy to say that he wouldn't have killed Epignosis, I love how he immediately ruled out the potential of he and a myriad of other players being responsible for the death of Epi because of interacting with him on the night immediately preceding Epi's death. I think JJJ is bad and is playing a very straight bat and leaning on wifom to throw us off. It's exactly how Wilgy and me play scum and tbh the fact that he referred to us as exponents of it makes me think he is extremely conscious that he is employing Maclike scum tactics in this game.

So far if I was to bucket people I would say I am reading Motel Room, Zebra, Dom and INH as civ because I can understand just about everything from them, there is no spin and it's easy to follow, and I am reading JJJ and Rico as bad because I can't rationalise some of their stuff. Everyone else is fairly neutral with the exception of Sloonei who I am gut reading bad but haven't got much in thread evidence to lean on. I think Dom is probably good.

Point to the exact Ricochet comments on DAY TWO that you are talking about. Because I think all of this post is bullshit.

MacDougall wrote:I am glad you also think Rico posts poo.

That looks like a sarcastic effort post that a bad guy would make when there are players desparately trying to town read him.

It is also about 10000 words so unless there is a peanut in that turd you can point at it means nothing to me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:You were one of them unless I misread it in my scan. In catch up mode I don't read posts I just look for tone bullshit.

Yeah, I was in the middle of interrogating Epignosis when he ate dirt. Perhaps that influenced my perspective of Zebra and INH.

So what I am saying is that you iced him because you knew it was a wifom bizarre move. And decided to be blatant about saying as much to wifom your wifom. And then started talking about wifom in the thread because wifom was on your mind because you did a wifom and then defended yourself with wifom.

Wilgy gets it.

I talked about WIFOM because Zebra brought up WIFOM in our substantive exchange back there. I understand what you mean now at least. You're incorrect. You can look at the post I made and decide whether I was going through the motions or I had a real interest in hearing Epignosis answer my question. This was my last prompt for him before he died:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Nobody is an ideal vote Day 1.

Do you believe my last minute switch is an important topic going into Day 2?

It's worth discussing. Scotty was the lynch, we know his alignment, and so anything relevant to Scotty is worth discussing.

You've still not answered the question. Your posts on this page have no function. You specifically elected to take your vote off of Scotty and then you placed it on sanmateo. You must have thus felt that sanmateo was "closer" to ideal than Scotty was as a voting option. Describe the thought process that took you there.

He was doing that thing he does where instead of answer questions in a useful way he goes "neener neener", and I was trying to get him to say something readable.

MacDougall wrote:Nah mate this post is insightful as fuck and you are wand waving like scum Jimmy always does. Your best scum trick is wand waving because you carry so much cred from your town effort games that wand waving works on people when you do it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I am glad you also think Rico posts poo.

That looks like a sarcastic effort post that a bad guy would make when there are players desparately trying to town read him.

It is also about 10000 words so unless there is a peanut in that turd you can point at it means nothing to me.

And this post looks to me like severe confirmation bias at best or an abject refusal to see what's right in front of your face at worst. It's undeniable proof that Rico's Day 2 has not been about you other than when you've made it about you.

MacDougall wrote:Ha he sure does do that.

But what a great last post interaction to have publicly to make you seem like an unlikely killer. Perfect. If I was you I would have killed the fuck out of Epi.

In fact almost nobody but you would do it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Nah mate this post is insightful as fuck and you are wand waving like scum Jimmy always does. Your best scum trick is wand waving because you carry so much cred from your town effort games that wand waving works on people when you do it.

I expanded on why I thought the post was bullshit in my subsequent posts. There's no "wand waving". There's substantive and reasoned argument as is always to be expected from the greatest Mafia creature to ever grace this green Earth, Supertown Jimmy.

#roleplaycrossover

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Ha he sure does do that.

But what a great last post interaction to have publicly to make you seem like an unlikely killer. Perfect. If I was you I would have killed the fuck out of Epi.

In fact almost nobody but you would do it.

Okay. I feel like you're taking every item presented to you and saying "this is how be a scum thing" without bothering to consider "this is how it could be a town thing".

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Ha he sure does do that.

But what a great last post interaction to have publicly to make you seem like an unlikely killer. Perfect. If I was you I would have killed the fuck out of Epi.

In fact almost nobody but you would do it.

Okay. I feel like you're taking every item presented to you and saying "this is how be it could be a scum thing" without bothering to consider "this is how it could be a town thing".

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Ha he sure does do that.

But what a great last post interaction to have publicly to make you seem like an unlikely killer. Perfect. If I was you I would have killed the fuck out of Epi.

In fact almost nobody but you would do it.

Okay. I feel like you're taking every item presented to you and saying "this is how be it could be a scum thing" without bothering to consider "this is how it could be a town thing".

EBWOP

MacDougall wrote:I can't see why anyone else would have.

MacDougall wrote:What does EBWOP mean? I'm 30.

MacDougall wrote: Railroading the entire in thread content of the game to push a selfish agenda that was never going to work is just cockery. It is not even remotely similar. He can appeal to the thread to remove me just in case I am bad and he is good... but that is pants on head moronic.

MacDougall wrote: Ricochet annoyed me for trying to policy lynch me day 1. I ain't about that life. That it started to bleed into day 2 started to . My first post reflected that.

MacDougall wrote:It is my modus operandi as a mafia player on this website to tunnel MattF in every game until one of us are dead. You are officially forewarned of my intention in every game we both play in.

DrWilgy wrote:So... Lorab is bad. Shall we do something about this?

Ricochet wrote:Tru. I did some and will try some more later this evening. If nothing notable related to the victims, I'll focus on the other wagon or on requests, such as LoRab.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I can't see why anyone else would have.

How about "Epignosis is a great player who is by nature an automatic threat to any baddie team." It's pretty much the same thing you did to Rico in RoTTK.

LoRab wrote:

MacDougall wrote: Railroading the entire in thread content of the game to push a selfish agenda that was never going to work is just cockery. It is not even remotely similar. He can appeal to the thread to remove me just in case I am bad and he is good... but that is pants on head moronic.

It's not like you've never done it.

MacDougall wrote: Ricochet annoyed me for trying to policy lynch me day 1. I ain't about that life. That it started to bleed into day 2 started to . My first post reflected that.

So, it's ok when you do it to other people but not when it's done to you? Because, I seem to remember:

MacDougall wrote:It is my modus operandi as a mafia player on this website to tunnel MattF in every game until one of us are dead. You are officially forewarned of my intention in every game we both play in.

I don't actually think you're bad. But please stop acting as if policy lynching is so horrible, when it is something you yourself have done. And don't claim that it's so ridiculous when, again, you've done it.

DrWilgy wrote:So... Lorab is bad. Shall we do something about this?

No, I'm not. Care to try to make a case? Because you're wrong.

Ricochet wrote:Tru. I did some and will try some more later this evening. If nothing notable related to the victims, I'll focus on the other wagon or on requests, such as LoRab.

Please do focus on me.

linkitis: EBWOP is Edit By Way of Post. What does being 30 have to do with anything?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:LoRab, do you have any suspects at the moment apart from INH?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Do you have any other thoughts to share from your stance of cursory thread skimming and gut reads, Mac?

linki: I think he's more likely to be town too.

sprityo wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Yo Mac, wanna team up?

No, Mac. Team up with me. I actually have a doctors license.

I made it myself

MacDougall wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:LoRab, do you have any suspects at the moment apart from INH?

If INH is bad I am a freakin monkeys uncle. I just played with a bad INH and the contributions here are entirely unlike anything there. The effort levels are off the charts here. Monkeys uncle I tell you.

MacDougall wrote:

sprityo wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Yo Mac, wanna team up?

No, Mac. Team up with me. I actually have a doctors license.

I made it myself

This one.

Actually on ISO lots of spirityo's posts are like that. Yeah pretty sure he is bad.

a2thezebra wrote:My overall position on Ricochet hasn't changed.

MacDougall wrote:

sprityo wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Yo Mac, wanna team up?

No, Mac. Team up with me. I actually have a doctors license.

I made it myself

This one.

Actually on ISO lots of spirityo's posts are like that. Yeah pretty sure he is bad.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:My overall position on Ricochet hasn't changed.

Do you still feel he's given nothing to the game beyond his Mac beefs?

a2thezebra wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:My overall position on Ricochet hasn't changed.

Do you still feel he's given nothing to the game beyond his Mac beefs?

Nothing of substance, no.

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

sprityo wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Yo Mac, wanna team up?

No, Mac. Team up with me. I actually have a doctors license.

I made it myself

This one.

Actually on ISO lots of spirityo's posts are like that. Yeah pretty sure he is bad.

But is that unusual for him? Is it really alignment-indicative?

Ricochet wrote:Mad Mac.

MacMad.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:My overall position on Ricochet hasn't changed.

Do you still feel he's given nothing to the game beyond his Mac beefs?

Nothing of substance, no.

So you thought nothing of his big post in which he assessed multiple players for their Day 1s relative to Scotty?