The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:22 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:11 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:07 pm 3J, do you use a mouse?

90% of the time yes

Your quote problems suggest a broken mouse, which automatically double clicks. I replace mine every six months.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:15 pm
Vote for me.

voting for someone who isn't likely to be lynched is wasting a vote

I've given a read on Jay. I also have a strong town read on Speedchuck and a mild town read on Mac.[/quote
okay so you've given 3 negative reads today I guess that means you're not tunneling, my bad

would you like to present a case against me?

what I would like is for you to stop wasting my time so I can figure out who to actually vote for during this day phase where my life is on the line

we have three hours and things are very much up in the air. If I'm a prime suspect, I think you should say why.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:17 pm @Kylemii

GTH reads on every player please. I would appreciate it. You don't have to research them or think too hard. Just give me the gut takes. Copy the list here if you like:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:19 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:11 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:55 pm The door was always there. All he needed to do was ask a question or two and it would have been opened.

Are you not alarmed that a player spent a great deal of time refuting a claim without any substance to it?

Not really, no. Frankly I'd have been more suspicious if Kyle had been Mr. Cool and Collected in response to me dropping a "tell" bomb on him in the middle of Day 0. Consider my own reactions to the Epignosis version of the poop, as you've assigned it -- is there a huge difference between my treatment of that and Kyle's treatment of mine?

No, there isn't. I was suspicious of you for a little bit during that episode as well. But I feel good about your posts outside of that. I don't feel particularly good about anything Kyle has done in this game.

Okay, so you despite your reservations you can envision a universe where a civilian JJJ reacts that way.

Does this not mean by extension that a civilian Kyle can react that way?

Absolutely. In townie kyle universe, he was flustered by being made the target of the game's first suspicion and started denying it. But I find the universe in which Kyle is mafia to be more likely. I still would expect town kyle to make more of an effort to understand your prod.
You've made an effort to analyze the contents of Epignosis' feces.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:15 pm
Vote for me.

voting for someone who isn't likely to be lynched is wasting a vote

I've given a read on Jay. I also have a strong town read on Speedchuck and a mild town read on Mac.

okay so you've given 3 negative reads today I guess that means you're not tunneling, my bad

would you like to present a case against me?

what I would like is for you to stop wasting my time so I can figure out who to actually vote for during this day phase where my life is on the line

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:29 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:19 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:11 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:55 pm The door was always there. All he needed to do was ask a question or two and it would have been opened.

Are you not alarmed that a player spent a great deal of time refuting a claim without any substance to it?

Not really, no. Frankly I'd have been more suspicious if Kyle had been Mr. Cool and Collected in response to me dropping a "tell" bomb on him in the middle of Day 0. Consider my own reactions to the Epignosis version of the poop, as you've assigned it -- is there a huge difference between my treatment of that and Kyle's treatment of mine?

No, there isn't. I was suspicious of you for a little bit during that episode as well. But I feel good about your posts outside of that. I don't feel particularly good about anything Kyle has done in this game.

Okay, so you despite your reservations you can envision a universe where a civilian JJJ reacts that way.

Does this not mean by extension that a civilian Kyle can react that way?

Absolutely. In townie kyle universe, he was flustered by being made the target of the game's first suspicion and started denying it. But I find the universe in which Kyle is mafia to be more likely. I still would expect town kyle to make more of an effort to understand your prod.
You've made an effort to analyze the contents of Epignosis' feces.

This exchange is the main bullshit. Jay calls him out on an inconsistency, he responds with a handwavey "I just think Kyle is more likely bad"

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:28 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:17 pm @Kylemii

GTH reads on every player please. I would appreciate it. You don't have to research them or think too hard. Just give me the gut takes. Copy the list here if you like:

Epi - good
Nutella - good
Wilgy - good
Daisy - bad
LC - good
Dyslexicon - good
FZ - bad
Speed - good
JJJ - good
Marmot - bad
Sloonei -bad
Lorab - good
Dave - ???
Novaselinenever - ???
Mac - good

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:32 pm Whose idea was it to create the false dilemma of lynching myself or DrWilgy because we are "cruising making jokes" when that is not what is happening.

I'm looking at you MacDougall.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:34 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:28 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:17 pm @Kylemii

GTH reads on every player please. I would appreciate it. You don't have to research them or think too hard. Just give me the gut takes. Copy the list here if you like:

Epi - good
Nutella - good
Wilgy - good
Daisy - bad
LC - good
Dyslexicon - good
FZ - bad
Speed - good
JJJ - good
Marmot - bad
Sloonei -bad
Lorab - good
Dave - ???
Novaselinenever - ???
Mac - good

Talk about it, Sloonei.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:37 pm I decided I'd rather see two people who aren't contributing well enough for me to analyse (my group 3) lynched and you two are the best choice the group because you've made the most posts.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:37 pm I decided I'd rather see two people who aren't contributing well enough for me to analyse (my group 3) lynched and you two are the best choice the group because you've made the most posts.

Epignosis, please talk to me about this sentence.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:21 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:20 pm getting lynched for day 1 bullshit used to be my #1 cause of death.

You described my post as "unhelpful" earlier. why?

because it was unhelpful

all you did was sharpen the focus on something that was already being focused on

is that value added?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:40 pm Jimmy would you say that this is consistent with how Kylemii responds to significant case making in games where he has ended up civilian ie. Pirates? That is a long ass ISO you linked me and I wasn't in the game so I actually found it hard to really get my head into the content.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:40 pm Jimmy would you say that this is consistent with how Kylemii responds to significant case making in games where he has ended up civilian ie. Pirates? That is a long ass ISO you linked me and I wasn't in the game so I actually found it hard to really get my head into the content.

I honestly can't remember playing in another game where that happened. I was a co-host of Pirates and thought that he was being cased for really silly reasons, and I do think he at least fought hard against it. I can't speak to the specific tone or candor.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:44 pm Can somebody summarize the cases against marmot and epi for me? I've seen discussion of them, but it's hard to pin down the central points.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:37 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:32 pm Whose idea was it to create the false dilemma of lynching myself or DrWilgy because we are "cruising making jokes" when that is not what is happening.

I'm looking at you MacDougall.

I decided I'd rather see two people who aren't contributing well enough for me to analyse (my group 3) lynched and you two are the best choice the group because you've made the most posts. Then someone else said they had a town read on Wilgy so we're frog marching you off the roof unless you can show some reason why we shouldn't ...

Tell us your reads. Do something. Sure, come at the person who decided to start a wagon on you that's fine. Anything is good if you're a civ and don't want to be lynched.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:37 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:32 pm Whose idea was it to create the false dilemma of lynching myself or DrWilgy because we are "cruising making jokes" when that is not what is happening.

I'm looking at you MacDougall.

I decided I'd rather see two people who aren't contributing well enough for me to analyse (my group 3) lynched and you two are the best choice the group because you've made the most posts. Then someone else said they had a town read on Wilgy so we're frog marching you off the roof unless you can show some reason why we shouldn't ...

Tell us your reads. Do something. Sure, come at the person who decided to start a wagon on you that's fine. Anything is good if you're a civ and don't want to be lynched.

That's ridiculous. Your original rainbow list had me in the green section. How am I suddenly your primary lynch target because you decided I'm not contributing enough (after I actually started contributing) and because someone else had a town read of DrWilgy?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:42 pm like I really don't mean to be dismissive but I can't hang out in my room on my phone right now

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:44 pm Can somebody summarize the cases against marmot and epi for me? I've seen discussion of them, but it's hard to pin down the central points.

Marmot = Waffly. Posting inconsistently. Low contribution but seems to be around a bit. Seems to be picking and choosing what to comment on but never making waves. POE.

Epi is someone elses cross to bear.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:51 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:44 pm Can somebody summarize the cases against marmot and epi for me? I've seen discussion of them, but it's hard to pin down the central points.

Marmot = Waffly. Posting inconsistently. Low contribution but seems to be around a bit. Seems to be picking and choosing what to comment on but never making waves. POE.

Epi is someone elses cross to bear.

Of course I pick and choose what I comment on. I can't respond to every single post.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:52 pm Marmot, you're still voting for Dyslexicon. As far as I can tell, this is still because she's not posted enough cat gifs. As heinous as that is, I don't think it constitutes a solid reason to case a vote this late in the day phase. who are you going to change to?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:37 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:32 pm Whose idea was it to create the false dilemma of lynching myself or DrWilgy because we are "cruising making jokes" when that is not what is happening.

I'm looking at you MacDougall.

I decided I'd rather see two people who aren't contributing well enough for me to analyse (my group 3) lynched and you two are the best choice the group because you've made the most posts. Then someone else said they had a town read on Wilgy so we're frog marching you off the roof unless you can show some reason why we shouldn't ...

Tell us your reads. Do something. Sure, come at the person who decided to start a wagon on you that's fine. Anything is good if you're a civ and don't want to be lynched.

That's ridiculous. Your original rainbow list had me in the green section. How am I suddenly your primary lynch target because you decided I'm not contributing enough (after I actually started contributing) and because someone else had a town read of DrWilgy?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:52 pm Marmot, you're still voting for Dyslexicon. As far as I can tell, this is still because she's not posted enough cat gifs. As heinous as that is, I don't think it constitutes a solid reason to case a vote this late in the day phase. who are you going to change to?

I'll change my vote as I damn well please.



I'm frustrated because I made a post earlier today. In that post, I said it's ridiculous that a player should get a Day 1 pass because they are a "shitty lynch" even if they'd be worth lynching any other day or as any other player. And now I'm getting votes because I am the opposite of a shitty lynch.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:52 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:51 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:44 pm Can somebody summarize the cases against marmot and epi for me? I've seen discussion of them, but it's hard to pin down the central points.

Marmot = Waffly. Posting inconsistently. Low contribution but seems to be around a bit. Seems to be picking and choosing what to comment on but never making waves. POE.

Epi is someone elses cross to bear.

Of course I pick and choose what I comment on. I can't respond to every single post.

My thought is you have done it in a way so as to only be choosing to comment on things that have little chance of exposing you. Keeping up appearances.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:52 pm Marmot, you're still voting for Dyslexicon. As far as I can tell, this is still because she's not posted enough cat gifs. As heinous as that is, I don't think it constitutes a solid reason to case a vote this late in the day phase. who are you going to change to?

I'll change my vote as I damn well please.



I'm frustrated because I made a post earlier today. In that post, I said it's ridiculous that a player should get a Day 1 pass because they are a "shitty lynch" even if they'd be worth lynching any other day or as any other player. And now I'm getting votes because I am the opposite of a shitty lynch.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:58 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:37 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:32 pm Whose idea was it to create the false dilemma of lynching myself or DrWilgy because we are "cruising making jokes" when that is not what is happening.

I'm looking at you MacDougall.

I decided I'd rather see two people who aren't contributing well enough for me to analyse (my group 3) lynched and you two are the best choice the group because you've made the most posts. Then someone else said they had a town read on Wilgy so we're frog marching you off the roof unless you can show some reason why we shouldn't ...

Tell us your reads. Do something. Sure, come at the person who decided to start a wagon on you that's fine. Anything is good if you're a civ and don't want to be lynched.

That's ridiculous. Your original rainbow list had me in the green section. How am I suddenly your primary lynch target because you decided I'm not contributing enough (after I actually started contributing) and because someone else had a town read of DrWilgy?

I don't like this post. I can excuse Marmot not being aware of Mac copying speedchuck's rainbow, but I don't like the way he dismisses the possibility of Mac having a change of opinion.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:01 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:52 pm Marmot, you're still voting for Dyslexicon. As far as I can tell, this is still because she's not posted enough cat gifs. As heinous as that is, I don't think it constitutes a solid reason to case a vote this late in the day phase. who are you going to change to?

I'll change my vote as I damn well please.



I'm frustrated because I made a post earlier today. In that post, I said it's ridiculous that a player should get a Day 1 pass because they are a "shitty lynch" even if they'd be worth lynching any other day or as any other player. And now I'm getting votes because I am the opposite of a shitty lynch.

He's a Mad Marmot.

Do you think I should be lynched?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:04 pm I would rather lynch Marmot than Kyle or Wilgy, but I would rather lynch Sloonei than Marmot. Kyle said he'd vote for Sloonei; if one other person does I'd move there. Otherwise I'm staying on Epi.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:06 pm Yes, because I was lynched early in each of my last two games and you contributed to both of them.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:04 pm I would rather lynch Marmot than Kyle or Wilgy, but I would rather lynch Sloonei than Marmot. Kyle said he'd vote for Sloonei; if one other person does I'd move there. Otherwise I'm staying on Epi.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:06 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:04 pm I would rather lynch Marmot than Kyle or Wilgy, but I would rather lynch Sloonei than Marmot. Kyle said he'd vote for Sloonei; if one other person does I'd move there. Otherwise I'm staying on Epi.

You drew a comparison before to Sloonei's failed tunnel on colonialbob from Mountain Mafia. Do you perceive a difference in this tunnel?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:12 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:06 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:04 pm I would rather lynch Marmot than Kyle or Wilgy, but I would rather lynch Sloonei than Marmot. Kyle said he'd vote for Sloonei; if one other person does I'd move there. Otherwise I'm staying on Epi.

You drew a comparison before to Sloonei's failed tunnel on colonialbob from Mountain Mafia. Do you perceive a difference in this tunnel?

I didn't at first, but I think his responses to Kyle have become more and more stubborn and repetitive, and like I said I didn't like his response to your question either. Plus, his case on cbob in Mountains had a lot more actual content/justification/growth; here he has been restating the same ~3 reasons and waving aside Kyle's explanations. It was similar at first, but I think he's losing credibility.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:08 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:06 pm Yes, because I was lynched early in each of my last two games and you contributed to both of them.

I did. Am I mafia in this game though?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:14 pm I don't feel like Kyle's responses to me have explained away my case. I've been repeating myself because my concerns are still alive.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:14 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:01 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:38 pm

This was the turn in the conversation that I really didn't like, and still do not. If this is what Kyle assumed, then why did he launch so quickly into defense mode? why was it his objective to negate and dismiss a prod which he presumed to be disingenuous, rather than simply observing that it was disingenuous? This might be my least favorite post in the thread.

this implies that i should ever ignore lies being told about me and assume the liar must have good intentions. i disagree with that on principle based on the fact that this is mafia? lies and innaccurate statements should always be called out.

But you acknowledged in this same breath that you were pretty sure this particular lie was just a standard mafia ploy. If this is your interpretation, why was it so important to refute it first?

"pretty sure this particular lie was just a standard mafia ploy" again that's false. I said I was pretty sure he was lying cus factually speaking there were no consistencies between this game and sc2. The reasoning was still unknown.

Hmmmmm?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:19 pm i actually kinda assumed you were lying for standard day zero jay-prod purposes?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:14 pm I don't feel like Kyle's responses to me have explained away my case. I've been repeating myself because my concerns are still alive.

Do you think it's possible for your concerns to become dead?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:16 pm I don't want to lynch you today, no. I disagree with Epignosis's posts leading up to the linked one, especially the part where he says that you talking will help expose your teammates more. This is true of any player, but I would gander it's less true of you than most players. Not that you wouldn't talk about your teammates, but that it'd be harder to for anyone to read those connections.

That, and if you're mafia, Epignosis must certainly acknowledge that you'd have a decent shot at talking your way out of a lynch later.

I'm much more interested in lynching him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:17 pm I mean, look at this contradiction. Zero people have commented on this:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:14 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:01 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:38 pm

This was the turn in the conversation that I really didn't like, and still do not. If this is what Kyle assumed, then why did he launch so quickly into defense mode? why was it his objective to negate and dismiss a prod which he presumed to be disingenuous, rather than simply observing that it was disingenuous? This might be my least favorite post in the thread.

this implies that i should ever ignore lies being told about me and assume the liar must have good intentions. i disagree with that on principle based on the fact that this is mafia? lies and innaccurate statements should always be called out.

But you acknowledged in this same breath that you were pretty sure this particular lie was just a standard mafia ploy. If this is your interpretation, why was it so important to refute it first?

"pretty sure this particular lie was just a standard mafia ploy" again that's false. I said I was pretty sure he was lying cus factually speaking there were no consistencies between this game and sc2. The reasoning was still unknown.

Hmmmmm?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:19 pm i actually kinda assumed you were lying for standard day zero jay-prod purposes?

Does no one else see why I feel bad about this?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:19 pm Ok, holy shit ya'll! I left for work and thought maybe I could slowly catch up on the last three pages. Now there are ten more. There is no way I can catch up with this before the day ends so I'm probably going to random vote between the people earning votes.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:17 pm Does no one else see why I feel bad about this?