The Syndicate

RIP BWT enjoy your wino

Result!

I still think Lizzy is bad though.

Mongoose wrote:I am now approximately 250% more suspicious of Vomps.

Why?

thellama73 wrote:I'm not sure how much weight my opinion carries anymore, but I think it makes sense to look at late voters for Aces, since they might have been trying to save a teammate. That includes bea, boo and Bullzeye. Maybe everyone on the baddie team has a name that starts with a B?

I much agree, I'd get there at least a couple in there.

Epignosis wrote:lots of words

I find your recounting compelling - I will need to give it some thought, but llama and the late voters for aces are the only people I will be really considering for a vote tomorrow.

Good luck on surviving the night, and thanks for sharing first :-)

Good points Epignosis. What do you think about Vomps? You can wait until day to answer if you feel more comfortable doing so.

Yay! A baddie already! And, with leads left behind

juliets wrote:Hmm I wrote out a post but its gone. Anyway, way to fool me bwt. I thought the typo stuff was nonsense. This makes me look differently at epig and at vomps, one looks good the other not so much.

RIP BWT, BIH Dr.

I definitely agree with juliets here. Vomp is a great candidate for the next days lynch. I am ready to hear his defense.

@Epi - I believe your theory on llama is quite interesting and I think you are on to something.

That gives up two good leads...Vomp and llama. And if we go for llama and he turns out civ, I think we ought to look at bea. Her post which I quote below seems just a bit forced. However, if llama turns out baddie, then I guess she is being genuine.

bea wrote:well crap. I either chose wrong or we were lucky and there were two baddies in that mix. I do have to say, David had me fooled.

well done epi for not letting up on his gut feeling. As rusti asked, I wouldn't mind knowing if there was anything besides gut that kept you going on.

llama - I've got no problems with you looking my way. I'm a civ this time round. If there's anything specific I can address, I'd be happy to.

Snow Dog wrote:Result!

I still think Lizzy is bad though.

What is your reasoning behind this post? I happen to think she may be civ because of her post early on in the game where she says...

Lizzy wrote: I suppose you could call it new, won 2 out of 3, but last time I pretended and lied so much it now seems boring as hell, strategy wise at least. And I'm actually disappointed that people are not opened to new approaches. I personally find the game more entertaining this way. Alas, you can finish me anytime if it's against the establishment.

I think Lizzy is admitting here that she is disappointed that she got a civ role this game because she was so pleased with how Thomas Mafia turned out and how she had so much fun being able to lie and deceive.

Mongoose wrote:Also, I am amused the hedgeowl's forum title is "Stool Pigeon" but her avatar above it is very clearly an owl. I like the unintentional avian theme.

Ooo no longer Patsy. We have made it to Stool Pigeon! There are quite a few of us with animal names it turns out. Although clearly one should not trust a bird with teeth. While llama pointed out I am in fact neither hedge nor owl, Google does show a real "Hedgeowl," although it was not my inspiration.

I believe lizzy being a civvie is boring. Making me a killer makes me far more entertained.

Otherwise I make up my own entertainment.

I think Lizzy is probably innocent and I will defend her to my last breath.

Elohcin wrote:Yay! A baddie already! And, with leads left behind

juliets wrote:Hmm I wrote out a post but its gone. Anyway, way to fool me bwt. I thought the typo stuff was nonsense. This makes me look differently at epig and at vomps, one looks good the other not so much.

RIP BWT, BIH Dr.

I definitely agree with juliets here. Vomp is a great candidate for the next days lynch. I am ready to hear his defense.

@Epi - I believe your theory on llama is quite interesting and I think you are on to something.

That gives up two good leads...Vomp and llama. And if we go for llama and he turns out civ, I think we ought to look at bea. Her post which I quote below seems just a bit forced. However, if llama turns out baddie, then I guess she is being genuine.

bea wrote:well crap. I either chose wrong or we were lucky and there were two baddies in that mix. I do have to say, David had me fooled.

well done epi for not letting up on his gut feeling. As rusti asked, I wouldn't mind knowing if there was anything besides gut that kept you going on.

llama - I've got no problems with you looking my way. I'm a civ this time round. If there's anything specific I can address, I'd be happy to.

Snow Dog wrote:Result!

I still think Lizzy is bad though.

What is your reasoning behind this post? I happen to think she may be civ because of her post early on in the game where she says...

Lizzy wrote: I suppose you could call it new, won 2 out of 3, but last time I pretended and lied so much it now seems boring as hell, strategy wise at least. And I'm actually disappointed that people are not opened to new approaches. I personally find the game more entertaining this way. Alas, you can finish me anytime if it's against the establishment.

I think Lizzy is admitting here that she is disappointed that she got a civ role this game because she was so pleased with how Thomas Mafia turned out and how she had so much fun being able to lie and deceive.

Well it is possible of course. But I don't have to believe her do I? I think she is very clever and a convincing liar. This plus her self vote.......see it's the self vote as well. Although I do agree that Llama is probably a better candidate. He could have just believed BWT to be civ though. We all make mistakes.

Vompatti wrote:I think Lizzy is probably innocent and I will defend her to my last breath.

You think she is probably innocent? Just probably? And yet you will defend her to your last breath.

This is all very odd to me.

Snow Dog wrote:
Well it is possible of course. But I don't have to believe her do I? I think she is very clever and a convincing liar. This plus her self vote.......see it's the self vote as well. Although I do agree that Llama is probably a better candidate. He could have just believed BWT to be civ though. We all make mistakes.

No, you don't have to believe her. In fact, I had forgotten about her self votes. That is strange.

Snow Dog wrote:

Vompatti wrote:I think Lizzy is probably innocent and I will defend her to my last breath.

You think she is probably innocent? Just probably? And yet you will defend her to your last breath.

This is all very odd to me.

This is quite strange as well. Vomp is under suspicion already and is making such a bold claim about Lizzy. If we lynch Vomp and he turns out bad, we ought to look at Lizzy.

So, again, I am up for a Vomp or llama vote next time around.

Snow Dog wrote:

Vompatti wrote:I think Lizzy is probably innocent and I will defend her to my last breath.

You think she is probably innocent? Just probably? And yet you will defend her to your last breath.

This is all very odd to me.

Life Is About Trusting Your Feelings And Taking Chances <3

Vompatti wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Vompatti wrote:I think Lizzy is probably innocent and I will defend her to my last breath.

You think she is probably innocent? Just probably? And yet you will defend her to your last breath.

This is all very odd to me.

Life Is About Trusting Your Feelings And Taking Chances <3

Fair enough. Then I will trust my own feelings.

Snow Dog wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Vompatti wrote:I think Lizzy is probably innocent and I will defend her to my last breath.

You think she is probably innocent? Just probably? And yet you will defend her to your last breath.

This is all very odd to me.

Life Is About Trusting Your Feelings And Taking Chances <3

Fair enough. Then I will trust my own feelings.

Search your soul and you will find that I am speaking the truth.

Vompatti wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Vompatti wrote:I think Lizzy is probably innocent and I will defend her to my last breath.

You think she is probably innocent? Just probably? And yet you will defend her to your last breath.

This is all very odd to me.

Life Is About Trusting Your Feelings And Taking Chances <3

Fair enough. Then I will trust my own feelings.

Search your soul and you will find that I am speaking the truth.

This coming from the guy who posted his exact method of precise coin flipping randomization. The soul searching and trusting your feelings didn't work that time?

Hedgeowl wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:You think she is probably innocent? Just probably? And yet you will defend her to your last breath.

This is all very odd to me.

Life Is About Trusting Your Feelings And Taking Chances <3

Fair enough. Then I will trust my own feelings.

Search your soul and you will find that I am speaking the truth.

This coming from the guy who posted his exact method of precise coin flipping randomization. The soul searching and trusting your feelings didn't work that time?

It did. I really felt like flipping a coin.

It turns out, I shouldn't have trusted my feelings

Does everyone know that if you want to randomize, there is a site called random.com that is really easy and used by a lot of us? I appreciate the art of the precise coin flipping methodology but there is an easier way...unless you are choosing between two in which case you can flip a coin.

AceofSpaces wrote:I don't want to die.

I still think Ace is worth watching, but this post made me feel bad for voting for you.

thellama73 wrote:

AceofSpaces wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I see DP is online. Care to tie it up and make things interesting, DP? Like, in the next 8 minutes?

Are you invested in BWT's survival?

Where have you been? I've been fervently arguing that he is a civ for a long time now.

This post I find more interesting though. I was not originally suspicious of llama's defense of bwt, but this seems a bit desperate to me. Why would he specifically ask DP to vote for Ace to tie , unless it was to defend bwt? Since he voted much earlier possibly trying to start a trend, he couldn't protect a teammate maybe? Worth reading his posts for sure.

The strange voting for Mongoose surprised me too. DH claims to have shot in the dark at early A Person voters and then Vomps hopped on board right quick. Whether DH's vote is suspicous or not Vomps definitely is, so I'll be watching these few to see what happens.

Snow Dog wrote:

Vompatti wrote:I think Lizzy is probably innocent and I will defend her to my last breath.

You think she is probably innocent? Just probably? And yet you will defend her to your last breath.

This is all very odd to me.

Very, very curious indeed.

Hedgeowl wrote:

AceofSpaces wrote:I don't want to die.

I still think Ace is worth watching, but this post made me feel bad for voting for you.

thellama73 wrote:

AceofSpaces wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I see DP is online. Care to tie it up and make things interesting, DP? Like, in the next 8 minutes?

Are you invested in BWT's survival?

Where have you been? I've been fervently arguing that he is a civ for a long time now.

This post I find more interesting though. I was not originally suspicious of llama's defense of bwt, but this seems a bit desperate to me. Why would he specifically ask DP to vote for Ace to tie , unless it was to defend bwt? Since he voted much earlier possibly trying to start a trend, he couldn't protect a teammate maybe? Worth reading his posts for sure.

The strange voting for Mongoose surprised me too. DH claims to have shot in the dark at early A Person voters and then Vomps hopped on board right quick. Whether DH's vote is suspicous or not Vomps definitely is, so I'll be watching these few to see what happens.

If I get killed during the night, immediately look at those two.

Mongoose wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Vompatti wrote:I think Lizzy is probably innocent and I will defend her to my last breath.

You think she is probably innocent? Just probably? And yet you will defend her to your last breath.

This is all very odd to me.

Very, very curious indeed.

You still didn't explain why you're 350% suspicious of me now.

I have no defense for myself other than to say I thought I was reading civ BWT, and I thought I saw a baddie railroading of him from Rob and others. I felt really sure of myself, but I was wrong. I'm sorry I cast doubt on Epignosis now. He had more insight than I did.

I almost believe you Llama.

Vompatti wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Vompatti wrote:I think Lizzy is probably innocent and I will defend her to my last breath.

You think she is probably innocent? Just probably? And yet you will defend her to your last breath.

This is all very odd to me.

Very, very curious indeed.

You still didn't explain why you're 350% suspicious of me now.

...Quite a few people have explained why you look like one of BWT's teammates. Have you not been reading the thread, or are you choosing not to respond?

Vomps,

It was only 250%, so there's no reason to panic.

RE: our suspicion: I think partially it was not stuff you have said yourself. Like how bwt's was perceived to criticize all of the early voters, except for you.

And maybe your staunch defense of Lizzy is purely innocuous, but it does turn our interrogation lamp (wouldn't it be great to actually have one of those?) to both of you. You seem so certain of Lizzy's allegiance, which could mean very few explanations. (That is, if we assume that you do actually know what Lizzy is up to).

I think this was somewhat coherent, but I've not yet had coffee, so y'all have to let me know if this needs further clarification or elucidation.

Snow Dog wrote:I almost believe you Llama.

Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades!

Ooooh. I'm not BWT's teammate.

Vompatti wrote:Ooooh. I'm not BWT's teammate.

Me neither!

On a lighter note, I've decided to listen to my entire music library in alphabetical order by song. I've gone through 120 songs so far, and I'm up to Ag, so it's going to take a while.

Vompatti wrote:Ooooh. I'm not BWT's teammate.

Maybe just a little something extra for us to go on?

Mongoose wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Ooooh. I'm not BWT's teammate.

Maybe just a little something extra for us to go on?

I'm being framed.

Vompatti wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Ooooh. I'm not BWT's teammate.

Maybe just a little something extra for us to go on?

I'm being framed.

Interesting. Do you have any suspects that you think would want to frame you?

thellama73 wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Ooooh. I'm not BWT's teammate.

Me neither!

On a lighter note, I've decided to listen to my entire music library in alphabetical order by song. I've gone through 120 songs so far, and I'm up to Ag, so it's going to take a while.

How many days of straight listening is that going to take you!?

thellama73 wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Ooooh. I'm not BWT's teammate.

Me neither!

On a lighter note, I've decided to listen to my entire music library in alphabetical order by song. I've gone through 120 songs so far, and I'm up to Ag, so it's going to take a while.

That's awesome. I can't even imagine how long that would take me, lol. It sounds like a cool project though.

Mongoose wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Ooooh. I'm not BWT's teammate.

Maybe just a little something extra for us to go on?

I'm being framed.

Interesting. Do you have any suspects that you think would want to frame you?

Whoever it was who first brought up BWT excluding me from the suspicious early voters/randomizers.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Ooooh. I'm not BWT's teammate.

Me neither!

On a lighter note, I've decided to listen to my entire music library in alphabetical order by song. I've gone through 120 songs so far, and I'm up to Ag, so it's going to take a while.

That's awesome. I can't even imagine how long that would take me, lol. It sounds like a cool project though.

I did it a few years back, only organized by song length, shortest to longest (the first few days were insanely schizophrenic.) It took me a full year to get through me library, and I have considerably more music now than I did then.

juliets wrote:Good points Epignosis. What do you think about Vomps? You can wait until day to answer if you feel more comfortable doing so.

In for a penny, in for a pound.

I don't know about Vompatti. The cavalier attitude that is prevalent in quite a few people makes me nervous, but Vomp always exhibits bizarre behavior. And I know that his eccentricities have gotten him killed or lynched early on before.

This, though, makes me wonder:

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote: and so far I'm not seeing what Rob is in BWT.

He criticized people for early random voting.

Vompatti was the only one to do this.

He excused Vompatti.

He said "people who have randomized or talked about randomizing (e.g. A Person)" so Vomps wasn't the only one on his list. I don't know, I have been reading him as civ so far, but perhaps you are on to something.

linki: juliets. I also feel almost positive that Vomps is civ.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Ooooh. I'm not BWT's teammate.

Me neither!

On a lighter note, I've decided to listen to my entire music library in alphabetical order by song. I've gone through 120 songs so far, and I'm up to Ag, so it's going to take a while.

That's awesome. I can't even imagine how long that would take me, lol. It sounds like a cool project though.

Based on what is currently on my laptop, it would take me exactly 1 month. If you did all my music period, it would easily be at least 2 months probably.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Ooooh. I'm not BWT's teammate.

Me neither!

On a lighter note, I've decided to listen to my entire music library in alphabetical order by song. I've gone through 120 songs so far, and I'm up to Ag, so it's going to take a while.

That's awesome. I can't even imagine how long that would take me, lol. It sounds like a cool project though.

Based on what is currently on my laptop, it would take me exactly 1 month. If you did all my music period, it would easily be at least 2 months probably.

Well, obviously I don't listen to it 24 hours a day.

thellama73 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Ooooh. I'm not BWT's teammate.

Me neither!

On a lighter note, I've decided to listen to my entire music library in alphabetical order by song. I've gone through 120 songs so far, and I'm up to Ag, so it's going to take a while.

That's awesome. I can't even imagine how long that would take me, lol. It sounds like a cool project though.

Based on what is currently on my laptop, it would take me exactly 1 month. If you did all my music period, it would easily be at least 2 months probably.

Well, obviously I don't listen to it 24 hours a day.

You don't?

What a weirdo.

Vompatti wrote:I think Lizzy is probably innocent and I will defend her to my last breath.

omgomgogngh I will defend you with my life as well k innocent or guilty

Snow Dog wrote:
Fair enough. Then I will trust my own feelings.

I don't want to rain on your parade (again :P) but last time(s) you did that, well... it didn't turn out exactly as it should have. Although, maybe this is a lucky break. Also, thanks for the nice compliments. Being called a clever and convincing liar is a compliment, right? Right?

I'm somewhat tormented because I don't want to go after someone again just because they are eccentric or come across as quirky. There's certainly nothing wrong with that. I listen to Belle & Sebastian for goodness sake. I can hardly point fingers for that alone. I feel really bad about the A Person situation , so I want to try to get a better read on Vompers before we cast someone out again just because his/her persona is a little more sparkly.

I'm not at all saying that I'm crossing him off my suspects list, but just rather saying we should be cautious before picking him next go-round. Any thoughts on this?

Mongoose wrote:I'm somewhat tormented because I don't want to go after someone again just because they are eccentric or come across as quirky. There's certainly nothing wrong with that. I listen to Belle & Sebastian for goodness sake. I can hardly point fingers for that alone. I feel really bad about the A Person situation , so I want to try to get a better read on Vompers before we cast someone out again just because his/her persona is a little more sparkly.

I'm not at all saying that I'm crossing him off my suspects list, but just rather saying we should be cautious before picking him next go-round. Any thoughts on this?

My thought when I mentioned Vomps (I think I said this but not sure) is that bwt exempting Vomps from the early random voters has my eye but I'm not ready to lynch him yet. There is nothing in his behavior that I've found suspicious (I'll re-read his posts to make double sure) it's just bwt's actions concerning Vomps that draws my eye.