Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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This is definitely true. There's been less substantive discussion of Quin than there was for Michelle. I'm open to lynching either one of them, though my Michelle suspicion has gone down a little since last night.
I highlighted this post earlier and it stands out as my least favorite thing in Quin's ISO. He confesses that his roleplay shtick is making it harder to participate and seems to use that as a justification of sorts. I'm not a fan of that.Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:54 ammate its hard to roleplay and make choc a bloc posts at the same time
i reckon i'd call the coppers on nutella for starting the DF beef against jazza, that whole thing was a pissup.
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
I am always hesitant to vote on grounds like this. If I find the player in question suspicious, sure. But I'm not entire convinced that nutella is bad, and I would not want to sacrifice her for the potential information we could gain. Lynching a mafia member will always provide the most usable information, and I'd like to maximize our chances of having that happen.
)Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:36 amThis post is from earlier today, after I'd explained to Michelle my reasons for suspecting her. Part of her response is to throw a "TMI" argument back at me based on my town read of Jack yesterday. I am unsure what to do with this. It seems like an obscure thing to bring up in an exchange like this, to the point where I am not sure that I believe a murderous australian would have the presence of mind to recall or dig up a post like this in the heat of the moment. Part of me feels like this point is too minute to have been fabricated.Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:23 am You are talking about my confidence, this is a playstyle thing. I explained what I expected from him. This kind of things he did I noticed at scum. I am sorry he was villager, if you think my lynch will avenge him go ahead.
Complaining about how I am confident, your post below isn't TMI?
How were you so confident?
And if I receive this as a civilian stance, then I also can see the same attitude reflected in her tunneling of Tony at the end of the phase yesterday.
Now, now. Why don’t you want to tell us who to focus on if you flip civ?
Forget what you think their lynches will tell you. Which player do you think would be more likely to flip bad?
Nerves of steel time.
the clock is tickingG-Man wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:27 pmNerves of steel time.
Michelle’s posts could be interpreted to suggest her soft supports of Jack suggest she already knew he was civ. But the also have a history.
Sabie is guilty of being agreeable to the thoughts of others too much.
Michelle broke the tie and sabie added to the lead. It’s a coin flip.
Linki: I see you didn’t wait around for my thoughts.
Glad you guys were right after all.What was your aim with this post?
Neither here nor there. I was just surprised to see you leave so soon to the deadline after being active for a streetch. But I understand the pull of the Almighty Dollar.
G-man had asked for assessments of the players he's unfamiliar with, which included Michelle along with three others. Michelle gave a direct response to say that she would not offer her own self-assessment and deferred to Jack (town) to do it for her. I could see this as a semi-coordinated act by two partners on Day 1, but it's easier to read it as a civilian and a mafier. For what it's worth, Michelle offered a favorable opinion of G-Man from this.
I'm not totally sure why Michelle is responding to this post. She's mentioned, but not called upon to say anything. She is singularly asking nutella for a read on G-man, which feels significant but I couldn't speculate definitively based on this alone. Keeping an eye on nutella as I go.Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:04 pmGeez I can't talk english properly and he wants me to use a slang I know nothing about -_-nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:51 pm Tony's entrance is ehhhh
G's is good if a little heavy-handed but I respect that he wants some meta. @G-Man Michelle tends to ask people a lot of questions (kinda like juliets actually now that I think about it). LLD I've only played with once and the game is still going so I probably shouldn't talk about it. Tony and sabie I've played with a handful more times but couldn't really give you much specific description of their styles, I think they both vary a fair amount.
Quin is schooling the rest of us on the aussie slang. Idk if I'll even try. Uh, who's coming to my sausage sizzle?
btw while Gman receives some inputs, can you tell me something about his meta?
I find this post relevant because of Michelle's apparent attitude toward the Jackwagon on Day 1. She seems dismissive, almost scoffing at it (at least that's the tone I read here). The suggestion here would be that Michelle was trying to set herself up as opposed to Jack's lynch, and thus opposed to those who were pushing for it (nutella, LC, and DF are the ones I remember being most on board).
This exchange exists. If Michelle is bad and opposed Jack's lynch, I could see room to suggest the same is true of Quin.
She plants a townread of Long Con on Jack. It is worth noting that Michelle does not appear to have interacted with LC up to this point. This is almost like she's, ahem, incepting the idea of a town read on Long Con in Jack's mind.Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:05 pmi see, you want to make him feel small but worthy ^^Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:30 amI’m characterizing LC as a small dog, grabbing my pantleg in his teeth and pulling. He’s “attacking” me but it doesn’t bother me and I’m not going to try to lynch him for it.Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:17 amplease rephrase your last sentence, I try to understand it.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:03 am I believe LC believes what he’s saying much more than I believe Nutella believes what she’s saying. He can gnaw on my pant leg for awhile.
Seems like you TR him for that it's correct?
Going to catch up now
Another casual interaction with nutella featuring no content.
Comments on sabie's thoughts but does not comment on sabie herself. Part of me could see this as a staged interaction where sabie tossed a softball at Michelle so that the latter could swat it away in a safe context. But I can also read the way Michelle gets hung up on the post as a suggestion of the opposite: Michelle saw sabie as the most viable counterwagon to her own, and wanted to sink her teeth into this post. I'll note that her self-assessment here ("I put lower effort in self defense") is not reflected at all in her Day 2 play, where she is almost exclusively engaged in self-defense. Michelle also got hung up on the point about sabie's read of me/epi and I don't think she ever really advanced or did anything with it. Michelle's final post was a vote for sabie. At that stage she had no choice, so her vote and opposition to sabie don't really tell me a whole lot.Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:47 pmI see from this post that Sabie has 3 suspects.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:09 pm Dom is right I am moving my vote to Michelle right now. She at least popped in to kind of respond to accusations on her but I'm not really feeling she's trying to defend anything that anyone throws her way for suspicions. Her reasoning for suspecting tony wasn't explained well and she doesn't seem to be trying to do so.
Also I'm not sure what to think of the sloonei/epi dynamic. I have been seeing it as epi doesnt really have time to play so he just kinda throws suspicion around and does whatever he feels like because he's not super invested in it.
[VOTE: michelle] aubergine
Me, because I didn't defend myself.
Not much time ago a silly Michelle asked villager Jackofhearts to not lynch me because I will flip green and so on (MU game).Can you imagine he didn't want to hear about that?
Since then I put lower effort in self defense and I try to not put so much emotion in the game because what I want by playing is to have fun and to keep the game enjoyable.
Again I am sorry I was wrong about Tony. But you don't want to lynch me for wrong read, but because I don't defend like you would like.
Sloonei/Epi are linked in a read I don't understand. Are they suspicious or not?
oops time out
Going to do something irl and continue after, sorry I have few more things to say at this post
This is an observation without judgment, though the slant I got was negative (my initial prompt was favorable, so DF's picking it up at all suggests he was at least attempting to present an alternative view). Not strong enough for me to call it a good look.DFaraday wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:28 amI just went through her posts, and noticed a lot of questions and very little in the way of offering her own views. I've never played with her that I can recall; is this normal behaviour for her?
(I spelt "behaviour" the Australian way for the game. Also "spelt.")
Early Day 2 DF expresses a joint suspicion of sabie and michelle. Michelle seems to be the primary suspect in the pairing, and his take on her reflects my own at the time, so I'm inclined to be sympathetic. This is strong enough for me to feel good about. +1 for DF.DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:55 amI think it's the second option. I actually began thinking there might be a Sabie/Michelle connection yesterday, but didn't want to say anything explicit during the night. My theory is that Michelle forced suspicion on Tony, then had to double down on it as their interaction continued, and Sabie just parroted her teammate's suspicion. Sabie's post today makes me feel even less warm towards her, since it's basically shouting, "WOW HOW SUSPICIOUS DOES THIS KILL MAKE NUTELLA LOOK, RIGHT GUYS?"
I don't object to this. It was a good post.
I think this post represents one of the more sensible takes on the Jack drama from Day 1. I'm also inclined to say I like the context of it as well. Michelle seems to be framing the issue as preposterous, but Dom steps in with a level-headed response to combat her implication. Groovy.
This read is less decisive than I'd like. I understand what Dom is saying and these thoughts have crossed my mind as well. But when I prompted him to share his reads, he expressed nothing overtly negative about the player he's voting for, which isn't the most inspiring look. I'll also note that he has twice implied that his vote for Michelle was temporary, which could be read as opening the door to change course if the opportunity becomes available. I'm not sure I believe that angle though.Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:52 am
Michelle? I haven't seen much of a progression in her thoughts, but I generally tend to struggle to read her. I tend to empathize a lot with her with her second language struggles, and give her the benefit of the doubt in her communications if there seems to be a misunderstanding. That being said, the timing of her Tony vote was not great. With that being said as well, I do not know if her slip that Epi is picking up on is really a "slip". I'm usually one to jump on something like that and harp on it until I get my way or I'm dead... but I struggle with Michelle. I know how hard it can be to communicate with a second language, especially with all the euphemisms that exist in Mafia. I'd like to hear more from Sabie and see how she reacts to pressure before I commit to this vote, though.
This came late in the day. Dom has apparently settled on Michelle. I will give him credit here: the poll was very much up in the air (a 3-way tie between quin, michelle, and sabie), and Dom came out with a firm stance against one of those candidates above the other two.
Oh boo. I was looking forward to my time in the limelight.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:05 pm In the interest of time and energy I'm not going through Epi's posts. He pledged his vote to me when I was campaigning against Michelle. Then he embarked on his own campaign against her. Then he broke from me when I moved my vote off of her later in the day. If Epi is Michelle's partner he gave himself the easiest route in the world to not bus her, then he bussed her anyway. My diagnosis: Nah.
I agree with this.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:44 pm DFaraday & MichelleThis is an observation without judgment, though the slant I got was negative (my initial prompt was favorable, so DF's picking it up at all suggests he was at least attempting to present an alternative view). Not strong enough for me to call it a good look.DFaraday wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:28 amI just went through her posts, and noticed a lot of questions and very little in the way of offering her own views. I've never played with her that I can recall; is this normal behaviour for her?
(I spelt "behaviour" the Australian way for the game. Also "spelt.")
Early Day 2 DF expresses a joint suspicion of sabie and michelle. Michelle seems to be the primary suspect in the pairing, and his take on her reflects my own at the time, so I'm inclined to be sympathetic. This is strong enough for me to feel good about. +1 for DF.DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:55 amI think it's the second option. I actually began thinking there might be a Sabie/Michelle connection yesterday, but didn't want to say anything explicit during the night. My theory is that Michelle forced suspicion on Tony, then had to double down on it as their interaction continued, and Sabie just parroted her teammate's suspicion. Sabie's post today makes me feel even less warm towards her, since it's basically shouting, "WOW HOW SUSPICIOUS DOES THIS KILL MAKE NUTELLA LOOK, RIGHT GUYS?"
His next (and most recent) post is a follow-up analysis backing up the above stance. His focus is turned on sabie and he casts a vote for her, but notes that Michelle is also a viable candidate. DF hasn't returned since making this post, but my impression is that this is a genuine suspicion. It would be a convoluted strategy for Mafia #1 (DF) to indirectly bus their teammate (Michelle) by accusing an innocent civilian (sabie) with a theory that implicates said teammate as well. And it makes even less sense to imagine a mafia trio of DF, sabie, and Michelle here. I was already town-reading DF, and that read has only been strengthened here.
G-man puts in a request for help reading four players, including Michelle. This tells me very little. I'll note that the players are listed alphabetically which suggests the possibility that he was conscious of the presentation of this message. But that doesn't have to be significant. At all.G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:23 am Now that the game has begun in earnest, I have a few questions:
1) Can anyone give me a rundown of what's normal to expect from Lady LambdaDelta, Michelle, sabie12, and TonyStarkPrime? I played one or two games with Sabie, but that was a while ago. I may have played once with Tony, but I will have to go back and check the master spreadsheet. The other two are new to me. Are these usually talkative or quiet? How they cool, calm, and collected, or are they more emotional with their posts? I don't want their newness to me leaving me focused too much on the devils I know.
Dom's a civilian man.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:00 pm Dom & MichelleI don't object to this. It was a good post.
I think this post represents one of the more sensible takes on the Jack drama from Day 1. I'm also inclined to say I like the context of it as well. Michelle seems to be framing the issue as preposterous, but Dom steps in with a level-headed response to combat her implication. Groovy.
Michelle looks bad in 3/4 scenarios. Noted. Dom also notes it.
A vote
This read is less decisive than I'd like. I understand what Dom is saying and these thoughts have crossed my mind as well. But when I prompted him to share his reads, he expressed nothing overtly negative about the player he's voting for, which isn't the most inspiring look. I'll also note that he has twice implied that his vote for Michelle was temporary, which could be read as opening the door to change course if the opportunity becomes available. I'm not sure I believe that angle though.Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:52 am
Michelle? I haven't seen much of a progression in her thoughts, but I generally tend to struggle to read her. I tend to empathize a lot with her with her second language struggles, and give her the benefit of the doubt in her communications if there seems to be a misunderstanding. That being said, the timing of her Tony vote was not great. With that being said as well, I do not know if her slip that Epi is picking up on is really a "slip". I'm usually one to jump on something like that and harp on it until I get my way or I'm dead... but I struggle with Michelle. I know how hard it can be to communicate with a second language, especially with all the euphemisms that exist in Mafia. I'd like to hear more from Sabie and see how she reacts to pressure before I commit to this vote, though.
This came late in the day. Dom has apparently settled on Michelle. I will give him credit here: the poll was very much up in the air (a 3-way tie between quin, michelle, and sabie), and Dom came out with a firm stance against one of those candidates above the other two.
I maintain a generally favorable read on Dom, but with the mildest concern about his mid-phase the way he seemed to shrink away from Michelle mid-phase. But the read became stronger toward the end, and if Dom is her partner then he had plenty of time and ammunition to avoid bussing her.
You're about to hit 32000 posts, champ.Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:08 pmOh boo. I was looking forward to my time in the limelight.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:05 pm In the interest of time and energy I'm not going through Epi's posts. He pledged his vote to me when I was campaigning against Michelle. Then he embarked on his own campaign against her. Then he broke from me when I moved my vote off of her later in the day. If Epi is Michelle's partner he gave himself the easiest route in the world to not bus her, then he bussed her anyway. My diagnosis: Nah.
Naw man. G-Man gets the eye here. Michelle was a goon. G-Man understands calculated risk. He might have been protecting someone else yo.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:20 pm G-Man & MichelleG-man puts in a request for help reading four players, including Michelle. This tells me very little. I'll note that the players are listed alphabetically which suggests the possibility that he was conscious of the presentation of this message. But that doesn't have to be significant. At all.G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:23 am Now that the game has begun in earnest, I have a few questions:
1) Can anyone give me a rundown of what's normal to expect from Lady LambdaDelta, Michelle, sabie12, and TonyStarkPrime? I played one or two games with Sabie, but that was a while ago. I may have played once with Tony, but I will have to go back and check the master spreadsheet. The other two are new to me. Are these usually talkative or quiet? How they cool, calm, and collected, or are they more emotional with their posts? I don't want their newness to me leaving me focused too much on the devils I know.
He interacts with Michelle a couple of times in this post in a way that doesn't look staged or inauthentic to me.
He provides a Michelle ISO. G-man seems to express some skepticism of her read on Jack, and also makes note of her heavy involvement in Tony's mislynch without passing overt judgment. But none of G-man's ISOs featured overt judgment as far as I can tell. His assessment of Michelle here does not appear to be skewed in any obvious way.
G-man then appears to spend a good deal of time studying the vote records and singles out Michelle as looking bad. I like this. As a general comment on the game of mafia, it pleases me when two completely different analytical approaches lead to the same conclusion. So G-man's vote analysis is just pleasing to me on a personal level. And I am inclined to town-read him for it.
Implicates nutella as a potential Michelle partner.
G-man wanted to lynch nutella towards the end of the day, as he felt her lynch could provide the most information. But when the votes shifted he ended up as the final vote on the Michelle wagon. He could have forced a tie with Quin, though that would have been a bizarre move. And there is nothing else in here which sets off any alarms, so I am not inclined to look unfavorably on G-man's late-day philosophy. I feel good about him. That's becoming a theme in this exercise.
This is the extent of Long Con's interaction with Michelle. He was critical of Jack on Day 1 and voted for him. His anti-Jack stance is also a pro-nutella stance. His vote today was planted on sabie. LC has not done a whole lot and I'm bothered by the absence of direct interactions from both parties here. My only reason to town read him continues to be that I'd expect a craftier game than this from Evil Long Con.
