The Syndicate

Can't believe I forgot Martin was town while talking to Martin.

Ratrug wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:55 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:51 pm I think I'm going to call C4 probably town. Feels like it took me awhile to get there though and I have no clue why that is.

What stuck out to you the most?

The fact that he calls a bunch of his reads as having small reasons; he didn't point out a quote with every single player's quote and just say "v" for a town-read. Or at least not a lot compared to the amount of town-reads on his GTH reads list.

Which makes me think its more likely that they're trying to solve instead of being performative and acting as if they were trying to solve. Because if they were being performative, I would expect there would be more posts that gave out a read such as below:

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:38 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:50 pm Okay good talking to everyone ;/

Bo v

What's going on?

hello my fellow townies are we lynching the scum

fs core
Martin core
Brb

Alison core candidate
Esooa core candidate

Funny writing that after Esooa joked before the game that she'd roll scum w/ Alison and pocket me but I guess it's working.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:23 pm What's going on?

Not much. How do you feel about the wagons being on Falcon as the main wagon and the counterwagon on Esooa?

What is core?

Went into Mikey's ISO thinking there would be more clearing material than I actually found. Huh.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:39 pm What is core?

Towncore
Basically "I trust these people".

Open question.

Why isn't Ratrug self-pressing onto one of the counterwagons?

My current theory is "he doesn't want to vote his partners". I'm open to more ideas though.

My working theory is "he's lazy".

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:40 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:39 pm What is core?

Towncore
Basically "I trust these people".

Thank you. Sorry for all the terminology questions guys, but I’d rather get them out of the way now than wonder about them for a few days. I have tried to google a few, but it has been less than helpful!

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:41 pm Open question.

Why isn't Ratrug self-pressing onto one of the counterwagons?

I too have wondered this. Especially because there have been enough comments about the self vote that you would think they would have voted elsewhere by now

That's a good open question tbh. They had to have seen all those wagons in order to unvote on the poll. Or at least I would.

There should've been at least some consideration or temptation to consider one of those wagons. Town or Mafia.

Wait he unvoted?

But I would imagine scum would be more likely to do that sort of thing if they're interested in (anti)-spewing


If you didn't know: Spew means to do something that would suggest a player is their alignment after you are flipped as mafia, since Mafia generally know everyone's alignment. Intentionally controlling yourself to *not* spew is anti-spewing.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:51 pm Wait he unvoted?

Yeah he does them in bold like this

(un)vote JackofHearts2005

(not a real vote, nor a player in this game)

Agree with Martin that if he's scum it's probably antispew.

I wonder where BK went.

Sorry guys!

I lead the wagon onto mafia and don't get night killed

the gall of the scum team

I'm clearing everyone on the falcon wagon until FX.

Ratrug is my biggest suspect. He was scummy yesterday. He refused to self-pres onto falcon and falcon refused to self-pres onto him. He did not give a read on falcon and falcon did not give a read on him. The other person who suspected him was shot during the night.

[VOTE: Ratrug] aubergine

BK looks town here from interactions with falcon (I've decided that the "I'm sorry for exeing BK for the same reasons when he was town recently" line was a pre-emptive excuse for BK's greenflip).

nanook looks bad for his falcon defense. He's a candidate for the third.

These are the living players:

Alison
BoKnows
Esooa
fingersplints
Kylemii
Long Con
MartinGG99
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Quin
Ratrug
Seanzie
ts account

Taking out myself + the people on the falcon wagon + BK:

fingersplints
Kylemii
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Quin
Ratrug
Seanzie

Of these, I think fingersplints has been pretty damn townie. That leaves:

Kylemii
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Quin
Ratrug
Seanzie

2/3 in the above. Probably Ratrug + 1.

I agree with Alison

do you think falcons early posts about seanzie are TMI or defending a partner?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:36 pm Why is Ratrug self voting? Pretty reactionary response to Alison's shade

This doesn't look teamed with Ratrug.

Maybe I'm wrong on Rat.

@Ratrug why did you not vote at the EOD? Why not self pres?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:31 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:29 pm

Took an awful lot of attempts to show your bee pic.


Is there a reason you are trying so hard?

I want to soft clear Kylemii for this.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:18 pm I agree with Alison

do you think falcons early posts about seanzie are TMI or defending a partner?

Digging through his ISO now.

LC says he townreads Seanzie.

Falcon says "off two posts?"

Falcon later asks c4 how c4 reads Seanzie. c4 replies he has no read on Seanzie. Falcon says he doesn't have a read on Seanzie either, and that he isn't sure why LC does.

I don't think this is strongly indicative either way. He could be TMI-ing Seanzie as scum and is surprised why Seanzie is getting early townreads for no reason, but the phrasing of it leads me to believe he's just trying to shade LC.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:21 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:02 pm [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine for until he makes 1 (one) bee joke

I don't respond well to peer pressure

Between this and the "why are you trying so hard" post, I am okay taking Kyle out of my POE.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:33 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:23 am I don't think there's anything here that I feel strongly about tbh.

BK is probably the most towny atm, and Esooa might be town.

I'm not entirely sure what to make of Esooa making some content-encouraging reads and then several peeps reacting to them as if they were real.

Also thought about giving Kylemii a town-read for thinking about the town-read on him, but then I thought counter-point Kylemii probably would be self-aware of his status as not being easily read by most people as either alignment.

What makes BK town? His whole handling of shading Seanzie has been pretty scummy

This is kinda chainsaw-defending Seanzie.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:21 pm LC says he townreads Seanzie.

Falcon says "off two posts?"

Falcon later asks c4 how c4 reads Seanzie. c4 replies he has no read on Seanzie. Falcon says he doesn't have a read on Seanzie either, and that he isn't sure why LC does.

I don't think this is strongly indicative either way. He could be TMI-ing Seanzie as scum and is surprised why Seanzie is getting early townreads for no reason, but the phrasing of it leads me to believe he's just trying to shade LC.

yes but he attacks people in defense of seanzie

I am very pleased with the results of Day 1. I thought didn’t think the reason for suspicion was very strong, but I’m very glad you guys were right regardless. I don’t think this necessarily clears everyone who voted there, as it isn’t out of the realms of possibility for teammate bussing, but that isn’t an avenue I plan on exploring right now.

I agree ratrug looks bad right now and would like to hear the answers to Alisons questions

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:30 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:54 pm LC getting on Seanzie for writing style has my attention.

In which way? Kinda pinged me as nit-picky, manufactured way of shading Seanzie

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:12 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:57 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:24 pm Nothing nitpicky about it. My gut says he's bad, and that phrase is what triggered that.

You don't feel that scum reading a player over their word choice is nitpicky?

I don't think it really matters if it is nitpicky or not. Are you thinking it is AI, or no?

Yes. I think it's manufactured reason for finding a player suspect. He's grasping at straws and trying to invent reasons to find you scummy, rather than actually scum hunting.

Pretty bad look for Seanzie.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:14 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:52 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:32 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:45 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:18 pm Kyle just floating around

in terms of what

I think he's calling you out for joke posting dude.

he can speak for himself I bet

This post isn't as funny as your bee puns.

This is not W/W interaction. Kyle is town.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:18 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:10 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:18 am Nanook has zero posts which are towny and zero reads which are good. Probably worth killing if we don't want to just yeet into a no poster today

I think i have a lot of good reads and believe fully in them

I have also been mega townie to the point of being near-confirmed town tbh

Hubris is not a townie trait

Nanook town equity increases. I don't think falcon shades his partner by calling them hubristic in the thread. Probably. I'm not ready to clear nook off this but it's a good look.

I think it's very possible seanzie is scum and didn't want to vote in my poe I gave him and instead put a trash vote on me because two of his teammates were in my poe

which would be falcon/nanook imo

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:24 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:21 pm LC says he townreads Seanzie.

Falcon says "off two posts?"

Falcon later asks c4 how c4 reads Seanzie. c4 replies he has no read on Seanzie. Falcon says he doesn't have a read on Seanzie either, and that he isn't sure why LC does.

I don't think this is strongly indicative either way. He could be TMI-ing Seanzie as scum and is surprised why Seanzie is getting early townreads for no reason, but the phrasing of it leads me to believe he's just trying to shade LC.

yes but he attacks people in defense of seanzie

I got to that part later. I think it's a bad look for Seanzie, yeah. A team of falcon + Ratrug + Seanzie would explain Seanzie's weird tilt about me being lucky in my early solve of Seanzie/Ratrug/BK earlier because he thought I only suspected them because I thought Seanzie/BK was W/W.

The counterbalance is that Seanzie's posting nearer to EOD1 was a lot townier than his opening. I am not willing to lock him scum but I am willing to POE him.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:26 pm I think it's very possible seanzie is scum and didn't want to vote in my poe I gave him and instead put a trash vote on me because two of his teammates were in my poe

which would be falcon/nanook imo

Didn't you have BK in your POE? Wouldn't wolf Seanzie just vote BK since he was telegraphing a BK scumread anyway?

I've finished my falcon ISO.

Good looks for: Ratrug, nook, (and also LC but LC is clear anyway), BK, Kyle
Bad looks for: Seanzie

Take into account the possibility of anti-spew since falcon was under pressure the whole day.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:28 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:26 pm I think it's very possible seanzie is scum and didn't want to vote in my poe I gave him and instead put a trash vote on me because two of his teammates were in my poe

which would be falcon/nanook imo

Didn't you have BK in your POE? Wouldn't wolf Seanzie just vote BK since he was telegraphing a BK scumread anyway?

probably. But town seanzie should have done that too. So I'm taking it as NAI at best cause it was a really dumb thing to do

trying to see why he did it

[Kylemii, nanook, Quin, Ratrug, Seanzie] was my original POE.

I am willing to clear Kyle based off interactions with falcon, or at the very least shift him to the lowest priority POE candidate possible.

That means my new POE is [nanook, Quin, Ratrug, Seanzie].

I would tentatively put Quin and nanook in the upper POE and Ratrug and Seanzie in the lower POE. There has been nothing suspicious that Quin has done other than not clear themselves. I'd say their posting is reasonably townie even. So they go into the upper POE. nook has good looking interactions with falcon but also wrongly defended falcon. Townies can be wrong, and I haven't had reason to suspect nook beyond his defense of falcon. So he goes into the upper POE.

Seanzie had a terribly scummy opening and then became townier as the day went on. But he has bad interactions with falcon, and is almost certainly a wolf if Ratrug is. Therefore he's lower POE. Ratrug has one good looking interaction with falcon but has godawful VCA interactions with falcon (refusal to vote or give reads on each other even in competing wagon situations) and has been scummy on play. Therefore he's lower POE too.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:31 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:28 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:26 pm I think it's very possible seanzie is scum and didn't want to vote in my poe I gave him and instead put a trash vote on me because two of his teammates were in my poe

which would be falcon/nanook imo

Didn't you have BK in your POE? Wouldn't wolf Seanzie just vote BK since he was telegraphing a BK scumread anyway?

probably. But town seanzie should have done that too. So I'm taking it as NAI at best cause it was a really dumb thing to do

trying to see why he did it

Town Seanzie does it because he's tilted and emotional and feels frustrated by the threadstate and doesn't want people telling him what to do.

Or, as falcon would say, "I don't respond well to peer pressure".

Seanzie’s reactions during the day really felt like town. If they were acting, then well done I totally bought it. Felt really genuine to me