The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:29 pm mountainous
15 players (3 mafia)
48/24 phases (closed nights)
mandatory yeets/nks
no hammers

town role pm

town, eliminate all mafia

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 8:54 pm I am town! And I've been instructed to eliminate all Mafia.




Don't stand in my way

It's in the OP

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:42 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:41 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:40 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:38 pm Belzy and Dizzy feel villagery fwiw-- Dizzy moreso by a wide margin but killing Belzy anytime soon also seems bad.

How's Dizzy town at all?

The frustration a bit upthread seems real.

Dizzy fakes emotion all the time as wolf.

What frustration to both of you? I'm like not frustrated at all?

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:47 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:29 pm mountainous
15 players (3 mafia)
48/24 phases (closed nights)
mandatory yeets/nks
no hammers

town role pm

town, eliminate all mafia

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 8:54 pm I am town! And I've been instructed to eliminate all Mafia.




Don't stand in my way

It's in the OP

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:48 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:42 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:41 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:40 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:38 pm Belzy and Dizzy feel villagery fwiw-- Dizzy moreso by a wide margin but killing Belzy anytime soon also seems bad.

How's Dizzy town at all?

The frustration a bit upthread seems real.

Dizzy fakes emotion all the time as wolf.

What frustration to both of you? I'm like not frustrated at all?

My bad actually. I responded as if she was asking me about Belzy, not you.

You I think are villagery because you have good tone and seem game-solvey and are free flowy.

Well I'll vote DoO to save Alison if needed but would prefer looking elsewhere. And think Alison would be a really bad kill.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:46 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:39 pm Dizzy/DOO team looks super compatible here. DOO voteparked on me despite having me as a townread, and Dizzy tried to push me after I came out with scumreads on both him and DOO. The case that Dizzy's giving is bad too. I asked if Luck often likes to play wolf because his first post gave me a "hello fellow townies" feeling and I was seeing if it was facetious. The only other read he has an issue with is a bald "that's not a real thought", and an OMGUS against my suspicion on him.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what's with the naked vote btw?

How does this relevant? My point is you asked if he liked playing as scum when he had already given the answer in thread. Was your accusation that he might've lied?

What is problematic about this? Honest question. This is something I've seen you do as scum before, or rather, it gave me that same feeling.

I don't think it's an OMGUS. I legit didn't understand your point in your read on me. And I don't think it would warrant you to have me on your chop list at all.

My accusation was that his "I sure hope I randed mafia, aw shucks I didn't!" felt fake. Not many people like randing mafia, so doing a quick fact check on whether this is something he'd say is pretty sensible. Once he clarified his meta a little more with no dissent from the people who know him, I moved on.

Saying "that's not a real thought" isn't problematic by itself; I say it all the time. It's not a particularly convincing aspect of a case, though, and I'm having trouble understanding why you'd grow such a strong conviction of me as scum based on it. What exactly "isn't real" about that thought?

My point is simple. When I see you afk as town you just straight up admit it and brazenly slank because you have nothing to hide. Here you seem to be taking a more wishy washy approach, where you say you're slanking, but also make an excuse to sheep whoever you want with zero accountability.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:39 pm Dizzy/DOO team looks super compatible here. DOO voteparked on me despite having me as a townread, and Dizzy tried to push me after I came out with scumreads on both him and DOO. The case that Dizzy's giving is bad too. I asked if Luck often likes to play wolf because his first post gave me a "hello fellow townies" feeling and I was seeing if it was facetious. The only other read he has an issue with is a bald "that's not a real thought", and an OMGUS against my suspicion on him.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what's with the naked vote btw?

I'm pretty sure star is town so I'm voting with my tr

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:51 pm Well I'll vote DoO to save Alison if needed but would prefer looking elsewhere. And think Alison would be a really bad kill.

Maybe not Alison/Lucky then, after I pointed that out and this comes out. Unless 200 iq

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:52 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:39 pm Dizzy/DOO team looks super compatible here. DOO voteparked on me despite having me as a townread, and Dizzy tried to push me after I came out with scumreads on both him and DOO. The case that Dizzy's giving is bad too. I asked if Luck often likes to play wolf because his first post gave me a "hello fellow townies" feeling and I was seeing if it was facetious. The only other read he has an issue with is a bald "that's not a real thought", and an OMGUS against my suspicion on him.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what's with the naked vote btw?

I'm pretty sure star is town so I'm voting with my tr

Who is Star

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:46 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:45 pm Also Syn made a good point about Falcon probably being town for the angleshoot.

Also Syn angleshooting Falcon town probably makes him town too.

There was no angleshoot. And people shouldn't talk about angleshoots really.

There is no angleshooting in ba sing se

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:53 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:52 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:39 pm Dizzy/DOO team looks super compatible here. DOO voteparked on me despite having me as a townread, and Dizzy tried to push me after I came out with scumreads on both him and DOO. The case that Dizzy's giving is bad too. I asked if Luck often likes to play wolf because his first post gave me a "hello fellow townies" feeling and I was seeing if it was facetious. The only other read he has an issue with is a bald "that's not a real thought", and an OMGUS against my suspicion on him.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what's with the naked vote btw?

I'm pretty sure star is town so I'm voting with my tr

Who is Star

Not an axehole

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:53 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:51 pm Well I'll vote DoO to save Alison if needed but would prefer looking elsewhere. And think Alison would be a really bad kill.

Maybe not Alison/Lucky then, after I pointed that out and this comes out. Unless 200 iq

I mean I'm just not a wolf. This is also only my second game with Alison and we made the mistake of mis-execing her in my first one-- and I had been villa-reading her there as well. It's not a mistake I want to make again.

If I end up alive with her later in the game I'm fine reevaluating and actually reading some of her wolf games and stuff.

Maybe we should just compile a list of the players we are actually allowed to kill d1 and make our lives easier

I suspect its a short and uninspiring list

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:22 pm that's a funny angleshoot, falcon can be town

Kinda agree, I did actually have the same thought when I read the post.

Anyways I'm going to sleep may or may not be back before eod

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:54 pm
Who is Star

Not an axehole
[/quote]
You've seen the argument that me/Seanzie have made about the quality of the "work" that he's doing here vs his posting in Alta?

I think Luck's been better in italics, Belzy seems town or someone I don't want to touch at this point, and I want to eliminate nanook but I don't think it's because he's done anything alignment indicative (though probably to a decent extent the fact that he hasn't makes me feel very ok with the outcome either way). Dizzy's uninspiring, but I'm very shrug there, and hard against omega/axe elimination right now.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:58 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:54 pm
Who is Star

Not an axehole

You've seen the argument that me/Seanzie have made about the quality of the "work" that he's doing here vs his posting in Alta?
[/quote]

I know him pretty well

I've seen it and I do not care

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:51 pm My accusation was that his "I sure hope I randed mafia, aw shucks I didn't!" felt fake. Not many people like randing mafia, so doing a quick fact check on whether this is something he'd say is pretty sensible. Once he clarified his meta a little more with no dissent from the people who know him, I moved on.

Saying "that's not a real thought" isn't problematic by itself; I say it all the time. It's not a particularly convincing aspect of a case, though, and I'm having trouble understanding why you'd grow such a strong conviction of me as scum based on it. What exactly "isn't real" about that thought?

My point is simple. When I see you afk as town you just straight up admit it and brazenly slank because you have nothing to hide. Here you seem to be taking a more wishy washy approach, where you say you're slanking, but also make an excuse to sheep whoever you want with zero accountability.

Alright. Do you expect him or players in general to lie about really obvious things as that as mafia though? Cause that seems kind of dumb to me.

First of all, you don't know my conviction. Again, it's kind of similar to the above point. From what I gathered, you accused (and retracted) Axe of pretending to have put you on ignore, making a bold faced and totally unnecessary lie. Why would mafia make such a lie? Maybe there's something between you two that I don't know about, but that just seems like a made up worry to me.

I really don't see the problem or the difference. How is this an issue? What should I have telegraphed? I was straight up slanking, not knowing if I'd get motivation or not.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:54 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:53 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:52 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:39 pm Dizzy/DOO team looks super compatible here. DOO voteparked on me despite having me as a townread, and Dizzy tried to push me after I came out with scumreads on both him and DOO. The case that Dizzy's giving is bad too. I asked if Luck often likes to play wolf because his first post gave me a "hello fellow townies" feeling and I was seeing if it was facetious. The only other read he has an issue with is a bald "that's not a real thought", and an OMGUS against my suspicion on him.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what's with the naked vote btw?

I'm pretty sure star is town so I'm voting with my tr

Who is Star

Not an axehole

Yeah I think he's town too I just think his reads are bad

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:02 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:58 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:54 pm
Not an axehole

You've seen the argument that me/Seanzie have made about the quality of the "work" that he's doing here vs his posting in Alta?

I know him pretty well

I've seen it and I do not care

I feel bad for you

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:02 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:58 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:54 pm
Who is Star

Not an axehole

You've seen the argument that me/Seanzie have made about the quality of the "work" that he's doing here vs his posting in Alta?

I know him pretty well

I've seen it and I do not care
[/quote]
ok fair enough. Why Alison though?

Also, do you actually expect that if I'm teamed with Omega, the thing I do is to chainsaw the hell out of you? Cause I don't think I would ever do that.

I fully admit to not having read the whole thread and not having much context though.

[VOTE: Lu Ren] aubergine
maybe

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:03 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:51 pm My accusation was that his "I sure hope I randed mafia, aw shucks I didn't!" felt fake. Not many people like randing mafia, so doing a quick fact check on whether this is something he'd say is pretty sensible. Once he clarified his meta a little more with no dissent from the people who know him, I moved on.

Saying "that's not a real thought" isn't problematic by itself; I say it all the time. It's not a particularly convincing aspect of a case, though, and I'm having trouble understanding why you'd grow such a strong conviction of me as scum based on it. What exactly "isn't real" about that thought?

My point is simple. When I see you afk as town you just straight up admit it and brazenly slank because you have nothing to hide. Here you seem to be taking a more wishy washy approach, where you say you're slanking, but also make an excuse to sheep whoever you want with zero accountability.

Alright. Do you expect him or players in general to lie about really obvious things as that as mafia though? Cause that seems kind of dumb to me.

First of all, you don't know my conviction. Again, it's kind of similar to the above point. From what I gathered, you accused (and retracted) Axe of pretending to have put you on ignore, making a bold faced and totally unnecessary lie. Why would mafia make such a lie? Maybe there's something between you two that I don't know about, but that just seems like a made up worry to me.

I really don't see the problem or the difference. How is this an issue? What should I have telegraphed? I was straight up slanking, not knowing if I'd get motivation or not.

1) Less blatantly lying and more making up a way to look like they were crestfallen by a town rand (to attract early townreads) without thinking about whether or not that matches up with what they'd actually be thinking as town.

2) I specifically suspected Axe of pretending to have put me on ignore so they could avoid having to engage with me while coasting through the day. I knew for a fact ignore wasn't working, so the most obvious explanation for someone saying they put me on ignore and can't see my posts is that they're lying, and since that lie has utility for scum, I thought Axe was outed. When I realized it could be a joke and not a serious game, I moved on from that read.

3) The problem is that you're saying "I'll afk", but then ended up finding an excuse to park a vote that doesn't involve any accountability. Then when DOO came in danger you attacked me to save her.

1) Alright, I hear you.

2) And I hear this.

But I still think these seems like weird concerns. Like you're overplaying that you "don't know" when in fact, you do know. It's the same feeling I got when you "didn't know" if me and Invictius had played together. Issue being, that it's like you're laying on an extra layer of paranoia/not knowing, and this is what pings me.

3) How is that any different from my normal early slanking?
And why do you correlate me and Omega here?
Literally, I read your ISO and I think you can be mafia. Why does it have to have anything to do with Omega?

villagers
Alison
Dyslexicon

Probably
EnderWiggin
Seanzie

Hopefully
Esooa
Belzy

Not sure
DaughterOfOmega
Grogu => Syn
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime
Lu Ren

Kinda wolfy imo
falcon45ca
fingersplints
NotAnAxehole

Something like this. If people say Axe can be town then ok. I believe them. But I'll still keep him at the bottom. I still haven't seen anything from Finger that tells me I was wrong initially.
DoO-- meh. Probably is a villager but does have to contribute reads and stuff.

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@Luckbox Inc Can you say what your town read on Alison consists of? You said this was your second game with her, and you mis-chopped her last game and seemed worried about that. Is there more? Sorry if I missed it/haven't read.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:06 pm [VOTE: Lu Ren] aubergine
maybe

How's it going? Anything you'd like to talk about?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:23 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:52 pmSure, I wouldn't bother reading the entire game, skimming one page of his ISO though would be quite illuminating. He was solving/interacting a LOT with people D1 of AtLA. Here he has done essentially no solving. He has a high thread presence here, but most of it has been not related to the game or just bad.

As far as I can tell, Lucky's case on Axe is pretty much exactly this. I don't know Axe, and in general I think it's pretty dangerous to compare one specific game to another for reads. But if you feel strongly about it, I'm not going to disagree. Is it more than just one game?

For me, I think Alison has a pretty good chance of being mafia here. Thoughts on this?

No, I only know Axe from that one game, but like... I think you're not taking into consideration how bad Axe's play is this game. Like, this isn't a meta read, this is a "this slot is active, in thread, but not solving, and not contributing positively to the gamestate" read, coupled with AtLA meta to further strengthen the read.

Also, from the little I know about them, Axe is an extremely anti-team anti-town player, so if they are town, I doubt they would ever be killed by wolves, and I would never want them to be in an FX, so while I know it is early, they need to be yeeted eventually anyways. Strong scum read + getting rid of a slot that is detrimental to town if we're wrong = good wagon.

I will look through Alison's ISO, but I feel fine about Alison right now.

Sean's either town or just clowning on town, but I'm leaning the former right now lol especially since I think the Axe push seems reasonable and the +ev even if v attitude is... >rand town, but who knows in this sort of list.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:17 pm @Luckbox Inc Can you say what your town read on Alison consists of? You said this was your second game with her, and you mis-chopped her last game and seemed worried about that. Is there more? Sorry if I missed it/haven't read.

I wouldn't want to mis-chop her yes, but that's obviously not why I think she's good here.
Her posts and "voice" seem basically identical to the last game and whenever she's come into the thread she's been spitting fire. She also has been focused in a number of different places and just seems overall villagery.
Some of her logic I don't agree with. The idea that the thread picking up steam towards eod is because wolves are on the line is a bit questionable. And like I said I'd be happy to reevaluate later after getting a feel of what her wolf game is like but can't be a good vote today.

I had concerns about Ender locking me as town off my first post, it seemed a little throwaway-ish but probably just v, I think he'd be a bit more hesitant as mafia.

Luck, what's the strong Dizzy read based on again?

Lu Ren wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:18 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:06 pm [VOTE: Lu Ren] aubergine
maybe

How's it going? Anything you'd like to talk about?

Nah I just reread your short iso and your posts are good.
[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

@Alison Why do you townread me?

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Again, pretty NAI, but I think the little he has done has been mafia-sided.

Lu Ren wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:26 pm Luck, what's the strong Dizzy read based on again?

Seems really villagery based on the totality of their posting in terms of tone/game-solviness.

Maybe I'm wrong as I have no experience there. But I'm happy to go with it for now.

Lu Ren wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:24 pm Sean's either town or just clowning on town

Why not both?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:27 pm @Alison Why do you townread me?

Because "I've done nothing townie, why do you townread me" is a towntell for you.

I also like how active you are in generating activity and clashing with players. You're putting in effort to engage with multiple players and try to solve in a situation where you could easily phone it in.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:30 pm You're putting in effort to engage with multiple players and try to solve in a situation

FTR I think Seanzie is town, but this is not true of their play at all.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:30 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:27 pm @Alison Why do you townread me?

Because "I've done nothing townie, why do you townread me" is a towntell for you.

I also like how active you are in generating activity and clashing with players. You're putting in effort to engage with multiple players and try to solve in a situation where you could easily phone it in.

Can you name another game where I did this?

I just had a scum game where I hardslanked the whole time and had less than 50 posts the whole game, so if I was scum, I would actively work to not look like I did in AtLA. How does that factor into your thinking?

Seems like it’s going to be Alison vs DOO. I think Alison is definitely more likely to be town out of the two, so [VOTE: DOO] aubergine
I’ll try to be around as late as I can for EOD but I’m already getting tired.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:33 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:30 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:27 pm @Alison Why do you townread me?

Because "I've done nothing townie, why do you townread me" is a towntell for you.

I also like how active you are in generating activity and clashing with players. You're putting in effort to engage with multiple players and try to solve in a situation where you could easily phone it in.

Can you name another game where I did this?

I just had a scum game where I hardslanked the whole time and had less than 50 posts the whole game, so if I was scum, I would actively work to not look like I did in AtLA. How does that factor into your thinking?

1) Nope. I remember you doing it one game, but I can't remember what it was. It's more of a mindset thing where you question people's motivations rather than just accepting the townread. I'd compare it to what Esooa does, where she constantly pesters people about why they townread her. There's a similar thread of pseudo-reaction-testing line of thinking.

2) It doesn't. If you cared about meta, you'd want to not look like your scum game as either town or scum, because you don't want to be scumread as either alignment. If you didn't care about meta, then all that's happened is that you're putting in a lot more effort/solving than the last time you're scum.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:39 pm Seems like it’s going to be Alison vs DOO. I think Alison is definitely more likely to be town out of the two, so [VOTE: DOO] aubergine
I’ll try to be around as late as I can for EOD but I’m already getting tired.

You need to vote in the poll.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:39 pm Seems like it’s going to be Alison vs DOO. I think Alison is definitely more likely to be town out of the two, so [VOTE: DOO] aubergine
I’ll try to be around as late as I can for EOD but I’m already getting tired.

No, pick something else. It's a ridiculous dichotomy, they're both town.

Lu Ren wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:40 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:39 pm Seems like it’s going to be Alison vs DOO. I think Alison is definitely more likely to be town out of the two, so [VOTE: DOO] aubergine
I’ll try to be around as late as I can for EOD but I’m already getting tired.

No, pick something else. It's a ridiculous dichotomy, they're both town.

But then it’s just tied. I’d rather not have a tie to risk Alison who I feel is town and been actively scum hunting

To the people who town read Alison, why do you town read Alison? I'd like to hear it. And sorry if it's already stated.

Her active scum hunting and engagement in the thread. Post just generally feel quite townie and remind me of previous town games I have seen of her.

Admittedly I have quite limited experience with a wolf Alison, but I feel comfortable with her posts for now.