The Syndicate

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:04 am**

I'm still at hollowkatt + Dyslexicon + Spacedaisy. I think roughly in that order.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:08 am**

It's annoying not many living players here seem to know me enough and so I am shitcased at every second.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:18 am**

yeah I kinda like creature, wouldn't shoot

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:19 am**

guillo if you and creature can stop fighting we can form a towncore plz and thank you

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:13 am**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:01 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:32 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:30 pm GTH scum team is hollowkat, daisy and dizzy. Maybe wilgy in place of one of them.

Undecided on Urist, I'm now entertaining the idea that mafia would at least make a more balanced act than whatever hes doing.
Talk to me about Daisy plz

What do you mean by a more balanced act re: Urist?
Like, what has she even done

As for Urist I tend to think mafia won't pick playstyles that go out of their way to piss people off.

It only matters if it pisses me off, yeah?

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:30 am**

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:56 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:46 am [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

I dont like how you shade me and townread me at the same time, fuck that.
It's not a shade. It's saying nothing stops it from being a bus yet I still townlean you for it.

Why do you keep using “for now” or “yet”, like it is not a bus yesterdat or today but maybe tomorrow or at F3 if we get there, it looks like you are setting me up for an elimination later.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:32 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:13 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:01 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:32 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:30 pm GTH scum team is hollowkat, daisy and dizzy. Maybe wilgy in place of one of them.

Undecided on Urist, I'm now entertaining the idea that mafia would at least make a more balanced act than whatever hes doing.
Talk to me about Daisy plz

What do you mean by a more balanced act re: Urist?
Like, what has she even done

As for Urist I tend to think mafia won't pick playstyles that go out of their way to piss people off.
It only matters if it pisses me off, yeah?

Hmm maybe

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:35 am**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:19 am guillo if you and creature can stop fighting we can form a towncore plz and thank you

I cant form towncore with someone who both “suspects” me and townreads me because that is an indication of fabricated pushes.

Why is Creature good for you?

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:56 am**

I had a good all analysis on Dizzy and lost it because the site had logged me out against my will and when i tried to log in using my credentials it failed the first time so i lost it all. I did it on my phone which was difficult to do.

Im pissed! I need to cool off before i do it again. Fuck this site

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:57 am**

I had a wall analysis**

Correction

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:31 pm**

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:56 am I had a good all analysis on Dizzy and lost it because the site had logged me out against my will and when i tried to log in using my credentials it failed the first time so i lost it all. I did it on my phone which was difficult to do.

Im pissed! I need to cool off before i do it again. Fuck this site

I first made a complaint about that in maybe 2017-2018. I have long since lost hope that bug will ever be fixed.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:48 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:31 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:56 am I had a good all analysis on Dizzy and lost it because the site had logged me out against my will and when i tried to log in using my credentials it failed the first time so i lost it all. I did it on my phone which was difficult to do.

Im pissed! I need to cool off before i do it again. Fuck this site
I first made a complaint about that in maybe 2017-2018. I have long since lost hope that bug will ever be fixed.

I thought it was only me who logged out whenever I had internet problems.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:48 pm**

This day is so apathetic I feel like wolves are doing pretty fine today.

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:03 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:48 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:31 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:56 am I had a good all analysis on Dizzy and lost it because the site had logged me out against my will and when i tried to log in using my credentials it failed the first time so i lost it all. I did it on my phone which was difficult to do.

Im pissed! I need to cool off before i do it again. Fuck this site
I first made a complaint about that in maybe 2017-2018. I have long since lost hope that bug will ever be fixed.
I thought it was only me who logged out whenever I had internet problems.

For me I think it's impossible to send a PM on phone unless I'm quoting someone. If I try to send the first message, the site logs me out automatically every time. For that reason I don't even try to host games in this site if I only have mobile access.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:04 pm**

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:35 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:19 am guillo if you and creature can stop fighting we can form a towncore plz and thank you
I cant form towncore with someone who both “suspects” me and townreads me because that is an indication of fabricated pushes.

Why is Creature good for you?

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:06 pm**

Quote above broke.

But the answer is he just feels right tbh.

Also the thing you are describing can be easily explained by Creature not being sure of his reads, which is well, normal.

[VOTE: hollowkat] aubergine

For the towncore.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:07 pm**

Has hollowkat even posted today

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:08 pm**

nope what's up?

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:10 pm**

I'm voting creature btw

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:14 pm**

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:08 pm nope what's up?

You have been found by the cop and now you are being yeeted, what are your last words

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:19 pm**

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:10 pm I'm voting creature btw

Understandable. Go for the currently most accessible mislynch.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:21 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:14 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:08 pm nope what's up?
You have been found by the cop and now you are being yeeted, what are your last words

ACAB

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:22 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:19 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:10 pm I'm voting creature btw
Understandable. Go for the currently most accessible mislynch.

I can't tell if that's sarcasm or what, but yeah, I think you're not a giant panda

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:23 pm**

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:22 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:19 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:10 pm I'm voting creature btw
Understandable. Go for the currently most accessible mislynch.
I can't tell if that's sarcasm or what, but yeah, I think you're not a giant panda

I think the votes on me are more likely votes contributing to an apathetic gamestate that will massively benefit wolves if I am mislynched and then town goes next day 5 v 3 with nearly no leads because most players here are minposting and complaining whenever someone tries to play the game.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:28 pm**

This game feels like freelo for wolves because of the level of apathy. All I can do is try to figure out who is wolf taking advantage of it and who is town underplaying.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:30 pm**

Btw, I have a feeling I may be wrong on Dyslexicon. I was initially worried their posts felt mostly raising their postcount and looking town. However, looking at it now it somewhat feels like Dyslexicon is talking mostly relatable town things even though they are things that don't really contribute a lot to discussion.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:30 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:28 pm This game feels like freelo for wolves because of the level of apathy. All I can do is try to figure out who is wolf taking advantage of it and who is town underplaying.

one of these two options is me

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:38 pm**

Dizzy's gotta start having some reads lol

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:56 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:38 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 11:41 pm Those Dizzy votes look really shady to me. Again, so not a shock. Dizzy is like the only person I fully trust right now. Those votes make zero sense.
How do you read Dizzy's vote on themselves?

You've mentioned Creature, what's your take on DDL? Do you have reads on players not on Dizzy's wagon?

I have a list of all my reads from the end of the last day just before Nook shot sig.

I don’t think much about dizzy’s vote because he has come across like he’s been having a tough time or something has him down.

Creature and DDL are my current top suspicions. I’ve gone back and forth on you.

I feel better about Guillo and Urist.

I can’t currently get a read on Wilgy, his only justification for voting creature was to sheep me. Regular gimmicky Wilgy regardless of alignment.

HK and you are the two I have still in My PoE that I go back and forth about. I’ve felt you are town at times and wolf at others. I’ll have to give you some ISOs today maybe.

Now back to catch up on whatever came after.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:57 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:57 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 11:39 pm First of Creature, I didn't do anything discreetly, I flat out explained the only reason I had him in my PoE was because I had no reason to eliminate him.

I don't know you, but I can see how you are acting in this game and it is so beyond shady.

I'm positive of only Dizzy, and I feel really confident in Guillo town, based on how his posts read to me. Urist I feel fairly confident in too, but not fully able to dismiss.

Everyone else is in my PoE.

Wilgy, do me a favor and give me a little bit more to chew on from you. I fully suspect that when they took out those two posters, the wolves are stepping in to fill the void. When the night ended I sat back to watch and see who did that. Unsurprisingly Creature and DDL. Two people are already felt suspicious of.

I would like to hear some thoughts from you so I can work out where to put you in my reads. I want to trust you, but I have no reason to eliminate you. Help me out. Who all do you still have in your PoE and why?

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Every time I say to myself that the most logical wolf behavior would be XYZ, Creature is doing exactly that.
There are some serious theather vibes coming from this post.

I don’t even know what that means

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:59 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:01 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 11:39 pm I fully suspect that when they took out those two posters, the wolves are stepping in to fill the void. When the night ended I sat back to watch and see who did that. Unsurprisingly Creature and DDL. Two people are already felt suspicious of.
Ftr I was already the second top poster at the end of day 2. All my posts today were oriented towards game solving.

If anything, Dyslexicon's posts felt contentless the most.

Every time I say to myself that the most logical wolf behavior would be XYZ, Creature is doing exactly that.
Oh, when said "teXTboOk wOlLFlaY" turns out to be completely wrong. We've all been there before.

Maybe so. But I’ll end up being an incorrect civ. It happens, but I’m not going to back down on my suspicion because the person I suspect says “everyone always thinks that about me.” I see what I see about you, and I think you are bad.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:24 pm**

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:57 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:57 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 11:39 pm First of Creature, I didn't do anything discreetly, I flat out explained the only reason I had him in my PoE was because I had no reason to eliminate him.

I don't know you, but I can see how you are acting in this game and it is so beyond shady.

I'm positive of only Dizzy, and I feel really confident in Guillo town, based on how his posts read to me. Urist I feel fairly confident in too, but not fully able to dismiss.

Everyone else is in my PoE.

Wilgy, do me a favor and give me a little bit more to chew on from you. I fully suspect that when they took out those two posters, the wolves are stepping in to fill the void. When the night ended I sat back to watch and see who did that. Unsurprisingly Creature and DDL. Two people are already felt suspicious of.

I would like to hear some thoughts from you so I can work out where to put you in my reads. I want to trust you, but I have no reason to eliminate you. Help me out. Who all do you still have in your PoE and why?

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Every time I say to myself that the most logical wolf behavior would be XYZ, Creature is doing exactly that.
There are some serious theather vibes coming from this post.
I don’t even know what that means

It means it feels fake.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:36 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:28 pm This game feels like freelo for wolves because of the level of apathy. All I can do is try to figure out who is wolf taking advantage of it and who is town underplaying.

The setup, plus the way nanook decided to play, causes this state. It's very hard to see the connection between what we say and the game's outcome, since we have no idea what the red panda is thinking of it, and easy to fall into a "I can afford not to post and that won't change anything" mentality. And even if we want to help, the lack of feedback or consequences (actual votes) makes hard for the discussion to gain traction.

Like I've already said what I thought of my main suspects, why should I reinforce anything or try to bring up new points? If I knew nanook was going to shoot Sig (and if I wasnt having some issues myself tbh) I might have fought much harder against it. His next shot may be someone nobody expects and we can't focus the discussion on that because he's not telling.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:39 pm**

I guess there is a lesson to be learned about finding an "optimal" mathematical solution that disregards the social aspect of the game and ignores that the game is designed with much higher winning odds for the mafia faction, which town can only overcome through social cohesion.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:51 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:39 pm I guess there is a lesson to be learned about finding an "optimal" mathematical solution that disregards the social aspect of the game and ignores that the game is designed with much higher winning odds for the mafia faction, which town can only overcome through social cohesion.

There should also have a mechanism solution that allows town to attempt to save other players besides the Red Panda. Like, the Marmot and NotAnAxehole kills were pretty predictable and someone could've saved them. I guess I might leave this discussion for postgame because I'm not sure how beneficial it is to talk about it right now.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:53 pm**

Town should at least attempt to solve the game by themselves to make themselves more readable and also make wolves more obvious. Right now I can only hope NANOOK can read through this apathy because I'm definitely failing to.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:56 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:51 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:39 pm I guess there is a lesson to be learned about finding an "optimal" mathematical solution that disregards the social aspect of the game and ignores that the game is designed with much higher winning odds for the mafia faction, which town can only overcome through social cohesion.
There should also have a mechanism solution that allows town to attempt to save other players besides the Red Panda. Like, the Marmot and NotAnAxehole kills were pretty predictable and someone could've saved them. I guess I might leave this discussion for postgame because I'm not sure how beneficial it is to talk about it right now.

Uh... but we can protect whoever we want?

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:02 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:51 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:39 pm I guess there is a lesson to be learned about finding an "optimal" mathematical solution that disregards the social aspect of the game and ignores that the game is designed with much higher winning odds for the mafia faction, which town can only overcome through social cohesion.
There should also have a mechanism solution that allows town to attempt to save other players besides the Red Panda. Like, the Marmot and NotAnAxehole kills were pretty predictable and someone could've saved them. I guess I might leave this discussion for postgame because I'm not sure how beneficial it is to talk about it right now.

I rolled save nanook last night so that's what I did.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:05 pm**

Like I'm pretty sure the table is just about whether we save nanook or not. But if we don't then we are free to protect whoever we see fit.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:18 pm**

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:02 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:51 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:39 pm I guess there is a lesson to be learned about finding an "optimal" mathematical solution that disregards the social aspect of the game and ignores that the game is designed with much higher winning odds for the mafia faction, which town can only overcome through social cohesion.
There should also have a mechanism solution that allows town to attempt to save other players besides the Red Panda. Like, the Marmot and NotAnAxehole kills were pretty predictable and someone could've saved them. I guess I might leave this discussion for postgame because I'm not sure how beneficial it is to talk about it right now.
I rolled save nanook last night so that's what I did.

I'm avoiding revealing what I did last night.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:20 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:05 pm Like I'm pretty sure the table is just about whether we save nanook or not. But if we don't then we are free to protect whoever we see fit.

I feel like that's where the misunderstanding happens. Feels like no save could be interpreted as "save your shot".

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:21 pm**

Does anyone have a solve that doesn't involve lazyvoting me?

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:23 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:36 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:28 pm This game feels like freelo for wolves because of the level of apathy. All I can do is try to figure out who is wolf taking advantage of it and who is town underplaying.
The setup, plus the way nanook decided to play, causes this state. It's very hard to see the connection between what we say and the game's outcome, since we have no idea what the red panda is thinking of it, and easy to fall into a "I can afford not to post and that won't change anything" mentality. And even if we want to help, the lack of feedback or consequences (actual votes) makes hard for the discussion to gain traction.

Like I've already said what I thought of my main suspects, why should I reinforce anything or try to bring up new points? If I knew nanook was going to shoot Sig (and if I wasnt having some issues myself tbh) I might have fought much harder against it. His next shot may be someone nobody expects and we can't focus the discussion on that because he's not telling.

We lost last time in large part because scum were able to pocket nutella by pushing the same stuff as her and faking mind melds

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:24 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:21 pm Does anyone have a solve that doesn't involve lazyvoting me?

Yeah actually I don't see myself shooting you today

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:32 pm**

Creature read. TMI. Me.

Forced. Duplication. Seen before.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:35 pm**

Falcon. Speculation required. Does not seem town.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:36 pm**

Falcon Wolf.

Creature. Dizzy. One or other.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:37 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:23 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:36 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:28 pm This game feels like freelo for wolves because of the level of apathy. All I can do is try to figure out who is wolf taking advantage of it and who is town underplaying.
The setup, plus the way nanook decided to play, causes this state. It's very hard to see the connection between what we say and the game's outcome, since we have no idea what the red panda is thinking of it, and easy to fall into a "I can afford not to post and that won't change anything" mentality. And even if we want to help, the lack of feedback or consequences (actual votes) makes hard for the discussion to gain traction.

Like I've already said what I thought of my main suspects, why should I reinforce anything or try to bring up new points? If I knew nanook was going to shoot Sig (and if I wasnt having some issues myself tbh) I might have fought much harder against it. His next shot may be someone nobody expects and we can't focus the discussion on that because he's not telling.
We lost last time in large part because scum were able to pocket nutella by pushing the same stuff as her and faking mind melds

My interpretation is different.

You lost because nutella disregarded what the majority told her to do almost every day.

You play this like an actual mafia game and now scum has to convince most townies to trust them, not just one guy. The social cohesion and the towncores will form from people knowing their choices matter and assuming agency of the outcome.

Scum can't pocket you now, but town can't do anything either. You are playing the game alone against three.

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:40 pm**

Why do I feel like people (aka scum) is avoiding hollowkat

Posted: **Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:48 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:37 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:23 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:36 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:28 pm This game feels like freelo for wolves because of the level of apathy. All I can do is try to figure out who is wolf taking advantage of it and who is town underplaying.
The setup, plus the way nanook decided to play, causes this state. It's very hard to see the connection between what we say and the game's outcome, since we have no idea what the red panda is thinking of it, and easy to fall into a "I can afford not to post and that won't change anything" mentality. And even if we want to help, the lack of feedback or consequences (actual votes) makes hard for the discussion to gain traction.

Like I've already said what I thought of my main suspects, why should I reinforce anything or try to bring up new points? If I knew nanook was going to shoot Sig (and if I wasnt having some issues myself tbh) I might have fought much harder against it. His next shot may be someone nobody expects and we can't focus the discussion on that because he's not telling.
We lost last time in large part because scum were able to pocket nutella by pushing the same stuff as her and faking mind melds
My interpretation is different.

You lost because nutella disregarded what the majority told her to do almost every day.

You play this like an actual mafia game and now scum has to convince most townies to trust them, not just one guy. The social cohesion and the towncores will form from people knowing their choices matter and assuming agency of the outcome.

Scum can't pocket you now, but town can't do anything either. You are playing the game alone against three.

....and why the fuck do you think she ignored the people telling her Alison and mac were mafia? Cause they...pocketed...her...

Nothing about how im playing should stop you guys from playing normally. Put reads out, make yourself easy to read, stop complaining about the setup you signed up for lol

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