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Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 12:12 am**

Thing is if Ted/PSV are V/V then it feels WTF for Six to just go YOLO and further push him as the lead wagon like that.

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 12:16 am**

Plus Ted could've also self-pres'd on Six being that me/pyxxy were on him and it'd likely have more success than on PSV, as far as I can remember?

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 2:25 am**

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 12:10 am Ted's obstinance on PSV is towny to an extent.

Maybe I'd just start out tomorrow with Falcon/Six, tbh.

I like reading your thinking. Please be aware that you've got good odds to be the nk if you keep solving. So! Keep on vibing but if you could maybe make a summary post of where your thoughts are at near EON, that would be super sweet <3

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 2:28 am**

I guess that kinda goes for the whole thread, but more I was curious who each of us think was cleared by the Seanzie wagon.

I'm at Kate Camilla SPF Lemonfairy as cleared. Neon (Zenon) bus honestly unlikely imo. Dennis also just being Dennis.

If the (other....or all) wolves were mostly afk at EOD, or had little influence, then town just killed a wolf, and it's as simple as that, and poe is what I endorsed early aka basically everyone not on Seanzie.

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 2:30 am**

@sig no rush to reappear this is just a pleasant poke since nights are apparently open in this game

you'll have a pure opinion of the EOD Seanzie wagon and how it formed, if you're up for some reading, and I would be curious to see who you townclear/lock/read from your perspective

invitation duplicated for @SixStrings

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 4:49 am**

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 5:49 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:05 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 7:38 pm Hi ^_^

Before I get started could I get informed of the phase lengths on this site and if post caps exist?

I normally play on MU so it'll take some time for me to adjust here. I'll get myself a PFP shortly.

I listened to this song today, and actually thought about it first, but decided to pivot to something else, I'm glad someone else thought of it though.
@staypositivefriend

Lol, this is actually Quick's Music Tell in action.

he's finally vindicated

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 4:50 am**

i think the biggest revelation that ive had from seanzie flipping mafia isthat it probably just makes camilia clear, because i dont see a world where she goes out of her way to bus him at a point when there were multiple competing wagons (ted/pxy) and when she could have easily steered the elimination elsewhere

this might have already been obvious to everyone but me

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 4:57 am**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:27 pm [VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

anyway my memory is that this vote that i made tied seanzie 3-3-3 between ted, pxy, and seanzie. i'm not sure if that memory is totally accurate but i am confident that my vote tied seanzie with the other wagons

Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:32 pm I'm gonna move to seanzie.

^^and bearing that in mind, kate was the first person to switch over to seanzie and put him in the "lead", and i would probably give her the most credit for the seanzie elimination actually going through

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:32 pm [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Neon wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:36 pmVote: Sean

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:39 pm Oh cool we're jumping seanzie now

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:45 pm Seanzies iso inspired precisely 0 feelings inside me

I'd kill him [VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

^^she was followed shortly by camilia, neon, and dennis

in spite of my earlier reads, i actually think if there was a busser in this progression, it's more likely to be dennis than anyone. this is because if any of seanzie's partners were present in the thread at the time, it makes sense to me that they would want to jump on his wagon to get some last minute towncred, and dennissaying that he's "going to ISO seanzie" and then jumping on him 6 minutes later feels a bit abrupt and like he is forcing himself to find an excuse to vote for seanzie instead of coming to suspect him organically

it's actually kind of hard to understand why @Dennis felt the need to jump on the seanzie wagon at all, since he didn't seem to have any clear thoughts about him ,and since he was already gonna die anyway without the vote. i would like to hear dennis talk about that more

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 4:58 am**

it's funny that i just said that camilia is clear from the seanzie vote because re-looking at the progression made me immediately paranoid since she theoretically fits in the spot where a wolf would bus (ie: someone who voted for seanzie after he became the leading wagon as opposed to before), but i think the explanation that requires the least amount of assumptions is that she's town

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 5:00 am**

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:52 pmyo wtf

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:53 pm aaaaa how do I change vote

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:54 pm are votes locked? I can't change

i also touched on this before but it's really difficult for me to imagine a wolf reacting this way to their partner being wagoned. i think the intuition of most wolves there would be to get some distance from seanzie instead of freaking out about being on the wagon. it feels like a reaction that lacks TMI and the type of reaction that i struggle to see a wolf going out of their way to fake

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 5:02 am**

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 12:10 am Ted's obstinance on PSV is towny to an extent.

Maybe I'd just start out tomorrow with Falcon/Six, tbh.

possibly yeah

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 5:04 am**

im going to bed but im pretty confident that lemonfairy and kate are cleared, that camilia is almost definitely town, and that the rest of the game is really easy to figure out from there

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 8:23 am**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 4:57 am in spite of my earlier reads, i actually think if there was a busser in this progression, it's more likely to be dennis than anyone. this is because if any of seanzie's partners were present in the thread at the time, it makes sense to me that they would want to jump on his wagon to get some last minute towncred, and dennissaying that he's "going to ISO seanzie" and then jumping on him 6 minutes later feels a bit abrupt and like he is forcing himself to find an excuse to vote for seanzie instead of coming to suspect him organically

ftr that's why dennis is currently last in my villa reads or second to last from previously where i said he was lock cleared

but i'll say his pov on psv is perfectly fine to have as a villa, regardless of psv's alignment their push on me seems to be very incorrect and could easily be interpreted as bad faith

i may also want it deep down for him to be a villa just cuz someone would have made the easiest and most accurate read on me, but i acknowledge it's probably easier to make with TMI

with all that said, i wouldn't lunch him before other slots. probably sixstring and i'll see what psv manages to do on d2

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 8:29 am**

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 12:12 am Thing is if Ted/PSV are V/V then it feels WTF for Six to just go YOLO and further push him as the lead wagon like that.

it's part of why i have them as a pair. psv and myself were the competing wagons afair

not sure if there was a wolf in danger to die (in the world psv is v) there for him to come and place the vote down. idk if it's as wolfy if psv is a villa, but he still has to explain why he voted

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 9:48 am**

Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:23 pm Ted, falcon and seanzie.

*gasp*
I was lowkey thinking Ted/falcon before

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 9:48 am**

would be nice if that was just the team

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 9:49 am**

(I'm catching up but I couldn't hold back from replying at that lol)

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 9:52 am**

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:23 pm As someone who usually just dies n1 or n2 as town, I feel like this manner of playing may not be so bad in retrospective lol.

I would love to be NK'd N1 or N2
I tend to survive too long but I spoil easily since I'm an organically grown lemon

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 10:01 am**

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:03 pmLemonfairy

I also was going to pick a bone with Camilla for townreading me too easily at first but considering what she saw me do as wolf, it's kind of understandable lol

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 10:05 am**

hmmm Ted has said repeatedly (twice) that Seanzie fell off a cliff and idk if that's enough to read as not w/w
Camilla bringing attention to the first time Ted said it is more towny imo

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 10:12 am**

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:09 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:06 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:01 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:41 pm I also don't like that Ted and falcon are the 2 left sitting on psv.
why not?
It feels like they were opportunistic votes and now that the wagon shifted to you, yall remain there hoping it goes back. Just a gut feeling once I looked up and saw the 2 of you together.
Curious

Why do you seem to already have a partnership made between the two of them?

actually, now that you mention it

if feels kind of unrealistic for 2 scum to be the only ones on a wagon together (unless they afk'd or something)
you'd think they'd be conscious enough of something like this to avoid it

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 10:20 am**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:43 pm the momentum around the seanzie wagon has been strange

hmmmmmmmm

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 10:21 am**

don't say that
that scares me

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 10:23 am**

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:48 pm Anyways, if this flips w then I'm relooking at his little solve at the start of the game

Neon, SPF, PSV

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 10:32 am**

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 5:05 pm I'll look back to her interaction with Seanzie as I feel like PSV/Seanzie are fairy unaligned

wait, talk to me about this
because I kind of thought the same and I agreed with the read that PSV's wagon was kind of stale but then I have a sense of paranoia here for whatever reason (I didn't before because the w/w read with Seanzie was made up)

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 10:33 am**

Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 5:08 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 5:06 pm I was actually townreading Seanzie and making up reasons to scumread them to see what would happen
because I wanted to be more proactive rather than reactive and someone told me that might be something I could try

it didn't really work as expected lol
Well then. That's both ironic and hilarious

another episode of me being clowned by reality

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 10:37 am**

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 5:54 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 11:06 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 10:46 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 9:56 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 8:53 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:15 pm I disagree with Neon's read on me, obviously, but I think the tunnel at least feels sincere. Ted clinging to my wagon feels much more ho-hum. Like they're just doing it to seem productive.
Calling my push on you a tunnel is a bit misleading I'm not really pushing you much and I'm gonna move my vote after catch up lol
What changed?
Nothing really but if nobody else agrees I'm not gonna bother pushing that
I don't like this post. PSV is currently tied for the lead.
Seanzie didn't interact much with Neon but GTH I feel like this seems to be him TMI'ing PSV V and using their potential future flip as a reason to push Zenon.

I don't think this is an avenue that a wolf takes to push a partner so I don't feel like going to Zenon immediate when d2 begins.

never mind
I feel ok on PSV again

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 10:38 am**

not me just forgetting what I read yesterday

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 10:41 am**

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 6:22 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 5:05 pm So yh.

I'd say that the first four voters on Seanzie are always pure and Zenon's vote on him was a huge red flag since she tends to bus a lot and it feels like her EoD was fairly frozen.

I'll look back to her interaction with Seanzie as I feel like PSV/Seanzie are fairy unaligned, so my towncore for d2 would be me/SPF/Dennis/Lemon/Kate/PSV.

Remainder are Zenon/Falco/Tedd plus the two slankers. I don't think Pyxxy is wolfing regardless of his lack of interaction with Seanzie.
I endorse this POE (which includes myself).

lol

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 11:08 am**

Howdy folks, what I miss?

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 11:10 am**

Camilla
Kate
SPF

Neon
pyxxy
PSV
Dennis

ted
falcon
sig
Six

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 11:11 am**

something like that?
idk, it feels very bland

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 11:11 am**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 11:08 am Howdy folks, what I miss?

what did you read up to?

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 11:15 am**

Camilla
Kate
SPF

Neon
pyxxy

sig
falcon
ted

PSV
Dennis
Six

lol idk

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 11:18 am**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 4:57 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:27 pm [VOTE: seanzie] aubergine
anyway my memory is that this vote that i made tied seanzie 3-3-3 between ted, pxy, and seanzie. i'm not sure if that memory is totally accurate but i am confident that my vote tied seanzie with the other wagons

Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:32 pm I'm gonna move to seanzie.
^^and bearing that in mind, kate was the first person to switch over to seanzie and put him in the "lead", and i would probably give her the most credit for the seanzie elimination actually going through

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:32 pm [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Neon wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:36 pmVote: Sean

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:39 pm Oh cool we're jumping seanzie now

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:45 pm Seanzies iso inspired precisely 0 feelings inside me

I'd kill him [VOTE: seanzie] aubergine
^^she was followed shortly by camilia, neon, and dennis

in spite of my earlier reads, i actually think if there was a busser in this progression, it's more likely to be dennis than anyone. this is because if any of seanzie's partners were present in the thread at the time, it makes sense to me that they would want to jump on his wagon to get some last minute towncred, and dennissaying that he's "going to ISO seanzie" and then jumping on him 6 minutes later feels a bit abrupt and like he is forcing himself to find an excuse to vote for seanzie instead of coming to suspect him organically

it's actually kind of hard to understand why @Dennis felt the need to jump on the seanzie wagon at all, since he didn't seem to have any clear thoughts about him ,and since he was already gonna die anyway without the vote. i would like to hear dennis talk about that more

I agree I don't think Dennis is clear at all and that they are the most likely busser by far. I just have a bussing meta so obvious people are gonna be wary of me.

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 11:33 am**

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 11:11 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 11:08 am Howdy folks, what I miss?
what did you read up to?

I haven't read anything since...good question?

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 11:48 am**

Oh sweet, Neon is still town.

Let the summer sheep continue

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 11:49 am**

burgers

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 11:50 am**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 11:49 am burgers

[VOTE: burgers] aubergine

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 11:51 am**

Mmm burgers

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 12:51 pm**

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 12:10 am Ted's obstinance on PSV is towny to an extent.

Maybe I'd just start out tomorrow with Falcon/Six, tbh.

I would think this had I not already stated I was TRing people who tunneled me/went against consensus on me. So any savvy wolf noticing that could adapt their behavior.

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 12:52 pm**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 4:57 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:27 pm [VOTE: seanzie] aubergine
anyway my memory is that this vote that i made tied seanzie 3-3-3 between ted, pxy, and seanzie. i'm not sure if that memory is totally accurate but i am confident that my vote tied seanzie with the other wagons

Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:32 pm I'm gonna move to seanzie.
^^and bearing that in mind, kate was the first person to switch over to seanzie and put him in the "lead", and i would probably give her the most credit for the seanzie elimination actually going through

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:32 pm [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Neon wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:36 pmVote: Sean

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:39 pm Oh cool we're jumping seanzie now

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:45 pm Seanzies iso inspired precisely 0 feelings inside me

I'd kill him [VOTE: seanzie] aubergine
^^she was followed shortly by camilia, neon, and dennis

in spite of my earlier reads, i actually think if there was a busser in this progression, it's more likely to be dennis than anyone. this is because if any of seanzie's partners were present in the thread at the time, it makes sense to me that they would want to jump on his wagon to get some last minute towncred, and dennissaying that he's "going to ISO seanzie" and then jumping on him 6 minutes later feels a bit abrupt and like he is forcing himself to find an excuse to vote for seanzie instead of coming to suspect him organically

it's actually kind of hard to understand why @Dennis felt the need to jump on the seanzie wagon at all, since he didn't seem to have any clear thoughts about him ,and since he was already gonna die anyway without the vote. i would like to hear dennis talk about that more

Exactly why I expressed discomfort clearing Dennis.

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 12:53 pm**

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 5:54 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 11:06 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 10:46 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 9:56 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 8:53 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:15 pm I disagree with Neon's read on me, obviously, but I think the tunnel at least feels sincere. Ted clinging to my wagon feels much more ho-hum. Like they're just doing it to seem productive.
Calling my push on you a tunnel is a bit misleading I'm not really pushing you much and I'm gonna move my vote after catch up lol
What changed?
Nothing really but if nobody else agrees I'm not gonna bother pushing that
I don't like this post. PSV is currently tied for the lead.
Seanzie didn't interact much with Neon but GTH I feel like this seems to be him TMI'ing PSV V and using their potential future flip as a reason to push Zenon.

I don't think this is an avenue that a wolf takes to push a partner so I don't feel like going to Zenon immediate when d2 begins.

i think your #wanting is interpreting it that way

he's simply calling neon out for not doing it. why is it TMIng psv villa because he called neon out on a contradiction?

i do agree it's non-partnery for zenon / sean, but saying he TMIs psv there is a reach imo.

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 1:01 pm**

i think the best argument for sean / psv not being w/w is the fact that psv keeps interacting with him in very awkward manners

that's the thing that makes me doubt. i think i end up having the same interactions with a few wolves as she did with sean here usually

as a wolf you'd want to have interactions, but the interactions generally are angled to mean something, sometimes she just chimes in with random things like poems and stuff or idk

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 1:01 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 8:23 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 4:57 am in spite of my earlier reads, i actually think if there was a busser in this progression, it's more likely to be dennis than anyone. this is because if any of seanzie's partners were present in the thread at the time, it makes sense to me that they would want to jump on his wagon to get some last minute towncred, and dennissaying that he's "going to ISO seanzie" and then jumping on him 6 minutes later feels a bit abrupt and like he is forcing himself to find an excuse to vote for seanzie instead of coming to suspect him organically
ftr that's why dennis is currently last in my villa reads or second to last from previously where i said he was lock cleared

but i'll say his pov on psv is perfectly fine to have as a villa, regardless of psv's alignment their push on me seems to be very incorrect and could easily be interpreted as bad faith

i may also want it deep down for him to be a villa just cuz someone would have made the easiest and most accurate read on me, but i acknowledge it's probably easier to make with TMI

with all that said, i wouldn't lunch him before other slots. probably sixstring and i'll see what psv manages to do on d2

I kind of just am planning on leaving him alone if I survive n1 and then seeing if he just sits on his towncred and does nothing or if he keeps on solving, tbh.

I feel like he's just a villager but if I'm misclearing someone in the Seanzie wagon then it's probably just him.

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 1:08 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 8:29 am
Camilla wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 12:12 am Thing is if Ted/PSV are V/V then it feels WTF for Six to just go YOLO and further push him as the lead wagon like that.
it's part of why i have them as a pair. psv and myself were the competing wagons afair

not sure if there was a wolf in danger to die (in the world psv is v) there for him to come and place the vote down. idk if it's as wolfy if psv is a villa, but he still has to explain why he voted

I'll be honest and say that I feel like Six has a good chance of flipping W if you/PSV are W/V regardless of who's the wolf in the interaction, tbh.

The vote felt extremely forced in a way that felt like he was desperate for the towncred on you or trying to save PSV. I don't think Six posted anything yet that makes me rule any possibility as unlikely, unfortunately.

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 1:11 pm**

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 6:12 pm I think of the people who have interacted with me, I feel best about Seanzie and Neon, since both are sticking to their guns in spite of thread flow-- Seanzie in saying my responses felt okay when others said they didn't, Neon saying they didn't feel okay when others said they had.

this post is a doozy for me

if someone can read over it and explain if this makes logical sense? how can you get 2 villa reads on 2 people opposing the thread flow... in 2 different directions???

is the thread flow either that people had said you answered poorly, or that they said you answered fine?

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 1:12 pm**

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 10:05 am hmmm Ted has said repeatedly (twice) that Seanzie fell off a cliff and idk if that's enough to read as not w/w
Camilla bringing attention to the first time Ted said it is more towny imo

The thing that makes me not just write it off as distancing is that Ted hasn't really made much interactions with Seanzie after that, IIRC.

Game may be harder than it should as we kind of killed a wolf before a lot of people started actually playing so there's less spew to go around, lol.

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 1:15 pm**

i'll add in a point that it's ~interesting she goes on to call seanzie villagery for "sticking to his guns" even tho he basically did the complete opposite

which was to start aggressively tunneling her early and then to drop it without much explanation as to why (if any). i don't see how that's sticking to his guns, personally

Posted: **Sat May 06, 2023 1:19 pm**

Shrug

I'm still at Six/Falcon for the level 1 world, tbh.

Kind of more confident on falcon rn as his focus on Zenon kind of feels like a wolf due to the lack of worldbuilding and breadth to his reads, tbh.

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