Re: BEANS MAFIA - Day 1
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:13 pm
Like, if this were Smogon or FFR, LP would get utterly hounded for that post. Just sayin'
Ok but you really didn't do any comparing at all, did you?pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:12 pm?Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:08 pmThe psypsy thing feels phony, and they have avoided clarifying it or producing results from it. Third-highest participant but not much engaging stuff. Asked Jack about me but had no follow-up there.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:04 pmSo, besides "fluff", what is your case on pyxxy?Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:03 pmI have read the new posts, and I do not find them substantive at all. More fluff and waffles.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:00 pmMy problem here is that you're entirely focused on pyxxy's older posts when their newer ones are much more substantive. Then again you probably haven't read the whole thread but stillLong Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:51 pm I'm going to [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine. Still feel like the psypsypsythe thing was "busy work", as Thunal(?) put it, and... did that 'research' actually happen? Third-highest poster, but there's a lot of fluff involved, I don't even know what the geese thing is, this is Beans Mafia, not Geese Mafia. Is leetic Canadian, is that what that's about?
maybe I wasn't clear in that my conclusion here has a partial foundation in my psy comparison
You're just jelly (bean)Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:06 pm I’m not caught up and won’t really be here until the last hour, but I am paranoid about Dizzy because of how much he focused on Delta. I didn’t think about the focus much at first but I think hyper focusing on one person is scummy in some cases. Rn I don’t want to kill him though.
I do... and I think the reason is quite good. Perhaps my joke obscured the reason though. I found these posts townie:Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:50 pmSeanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:48 pmTell me more.Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:39 pmSeanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:37 pmI don't remember, but I feel like it was a good reason. (this is a joke... it is because he made a post something like this about Delta, and it really resonated with me about how I feel as town sometimes where I'm like "I KNOW I had a good/bad feeling about this thing, and I can't figure out what caused it, but I trust the feeling", and the fact that they said that not once, but then later followed up stating it again with a bit of frustration after having clearly looked for the thing, made me very strongly feel like Epi had a genuine feeling about Delta.)![]()
That was a disappointing response, is all. I thought you had real reasons for your read.
I have sometimes felt like this as well, where I remember feeling suspicion for someone, but can't remember exactly what it was, and have a hard time finding it. The way Epi revisits it suggests that this wasn't just a throwaway "I had a read, but I can't find it", and it seems like Epi did genuinely want to find what they saw earlier. I believe Epi genuinely suspected Delta, even if they couldn't find the thing that created the initial sus.
Mh.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:17 pmYes, and I think it is fine.
I have also found parts of your play sus, and I could easily see someone like LP who presumably hasn't read the whole game just having that feeling and mentioning it.
They don't seem to be concerned with making friends here, and them popping in just to call a few people scum and say they don't have time to play makes little sense coming from scum about to die, whom could just stay in anti-spew here.
you tell meLong Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:13 pmOk but you really didn't do any comparing at all, did you?pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:12 pm?Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:08 pmThe psypsy thing feels phony, and they have avoided clarifying it or producing results from it. Third-highest participant but not much engaging stuff. Asked Jack about me but had no follow-up there.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:04 pmSo, besides "fluff", what is your case on pyxxy?Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:03 pmI have read the new posts, and I do not find them substantive at all. More fluff and waffles.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:00 pmMy problem here is that you're entirely focused on pyxxy's older posts when their newer ones are much more substantive. Then again you probably haven't read the whole thread but stillLong Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:51 pm I'm going to [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine. Still feel like the psypsypsythe thing was "busy work", as Thunal(?) put it, and... did that 'research' actually happen? Third-highest poster, but there's a lot of fluff involved, I don't even know what the geese thing is, this is Beans Mafia, not Geese Mafia. Is leetic Canadian, is that what that's about?
maybe I wasn't clear in that my conclusion here has a partial foundation in my psy comparison
I don't think anything I say will get through to you, so I'm going to stop talking to you about LP.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:57 pmI, for one, look at the greater context. For instance, look at Thunal's posts from before LP's opener, and tell me where a townie would get "TMI" from. I don't care that it could be a valid thought under a specific set of circumstances, I only care about the game we're actually playing and the TMI accusation came out of nowhere. "Entire ISO" includes the posts before the OMGUS, and I've gone over the opener enough but none of the "thoughts" were super elaborate or committal. Also, when LP makes a post about "throwing" and then makes a post typical of wolves on their last legs, you can't just ignore the connection here. It's obvious that LP's whole progression isn't townie in the least.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:47 pmHow about the fact that you seem to take everying LP says in the most uncharitable way possible, rather than trying to put yourself in their shoes.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:30 pmLOL no. What about my pushing in any way makes LP's response seem genuine? He goes from an entire ISO of making no thoughts and on his return admits to basically giving up, then posts an over-the-top accusation and dips? I've pressured many townies, including at EoD, and many don't like me back. But throwing an out-of-nowhere hard OMGUS case, combined with the call to vig action (THIS PART OF THE POST IS REALLY SCUMMY, don't ignore it) is just something wolves do when they have no other options. It's not a townie trying to save themselves or be heard, it's just a wolf howling.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:26 pmI'd recommend checking your tone on occasion.
I think you're viewing LP's post with far more OMGUS than is warranted. I have often been in situations where I am way behind, and end up a wagon, and pop in essentially to say "sorry", but then feel like some of the people currently pushing me are doing so disingenuously, and so push back at them, essentially as an attempt to at least do something productive with the little time I have left. It actually reminds me a lot of how I was pushing @Jackofhearts2005 and sig at EoD1 of the Scooby Doo game a while ago (I went over, flipped town. I was right about Sig but wrong on Jack), I felt like they way they were pushing for my wagon to stay strong was wolfy, and even though I hadn't read, I aggressively fought back against them. LP is doing something very similar to this, and it is townie IMO.
For example, I got their Thunal TMI thing pretty easily - having TMI sometimes makes it hard to give sus since you know the people you're "sussing" are actually town. I don't think it is valid for Thun in particular, who is a very skilled wolf, but I don't expect LP to know that, so I think it makes sense from LP's perspective. I think if you sat back and thought about it from a town!LP perspective, you probably also would have understood this.
Another example - just now you're describing the situation where LP made a single post as them having an "entire ISO of making no thoughts". They actually did include quite a few thoughts in their first post, and saying the "entire ISO" thing is technically correct, but seems deliberately misleading considering that LP had only one post.
Another example - just now, you took LP's re-enterance as them "giving up" whereas to me it seemed very clear that they were coming in to apologize about not being able to be around due to IRL, and the only "giving up" involved was the fact that they were clearly resigned to doing only a little in a few minutes, and then needing to leave, again presumably due to NAI IRL things.
For the record, I don't think LP is hard!lock!town or anything, but they are a pretty big ? IMO and your arguments about them have not persuaded me.
Although this entrance is a bit convenient. So you are paying attention enough to know it's 45 minutes to EoD but not enough to actually show up more
This post is a bit convenient. So you are paying attention enough to know Scotty posted but not enough to actually escape the orbit of Planet WIFOM
I explained already in quite a bit of detail. If you've read my follow up posts and still have questions/concerns, let me know and I'd be happy to elaborate further or consider what you say to the contrary.
The easiest thing to do when logging into the thread is seeing when eod is.
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:16 pmMh.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:17 pmYes, and I think it is fine.
I have also found parts of your play sus, and I could easily see someone like LP who presumably hasn't read the whole game just having that feeling and mentioning it.
They don't seem to be concerned with making friends here, and them popping in just to call a few people scum and say they don't have time to play makes little sense coming from scum about to die, whom could just stay in anti-spew here.
It's a bit flaily though.
Just bumping this \o/ @leeticDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:48 pmNoted, have read through it & yeah I can see the resemblanceleetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:36 pm The call to PR is probably the scummiest part if the post, look at this post https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/c ... st-8391982 from a D1 lynch scum at a similar point in the game for a point of comparison. I've seen this shit before.
Also uh. Why could you vote for an explosion in that game? ?_?
Though nonetheless, could you give me a snapread on Scotty here? I'll move if it comes to it but still not 100%, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on the CW to LP
God I want to vote youDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:25 pmJust bumping this \o/ @leeticDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:48 pmNoted, have read through it & yeah I can see the resemblanceleetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:36 pm The call to PR is probably the scummiest part if the post, look at this post https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/c ... st-8391982 from a D1 lynch scum at a similar point in the game for a point of comparison. I've seen this shit before.
Also uh. Why could you vote for an explosion in that game? ?_?
Though nonetheless, could you give me a snapread on Scotty here? I'll move if it comes to it but still not 100%, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on the CW to LP
The LP wagon vs Scotty wagon is people I'm uncertain about vs 2 of my townreads so this is. Oddly comfortable? Helps me read those I'm shaky on so \o/
I am sorta uneasy voting LP myself when I feel I gain so little from their ISO aside from their alignment but I wont fight them going over either since I can see the comparison between here & the game leetic linked & it at least helps me w a few people depending on LP's flip so that's at least helpful \o/
Why are you voting Seanzie? You said it was "strong stances", is there something I'm missing?Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:24 pmThe easiest thing to do when logging into the thread is seeing when eod is.
Notice I’m not particularly trying to save myself. But I like receipts and voting for someone is a damn good receipt for following days
Go on thenScotty wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:25 pmGod I want to vote youDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:25 pmJust bumping this \o/ @leeticDelta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:48 pmNoted, have read through it & yeah I can see the resemblanceleetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:36 pm The call to PR is probably the scummiest part if the post, look at this post https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/c ... st-8391982 from a D1 lynch scum at a similar point in the game for a point of comparison. I've seen this shit before.
Also uh. Why could you vote for an explosion in that game? ?_?
Though nonetheless, could you give me a snapread on Scotty here? I'll move if it comes to it but still not 100%, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on the CW to LP
The LP wagon vs Scotty wagon is people I'm uncertain about vs 2 of my townreads so this is. Oddly comfortable? Helps me read those I'm shaky on so \o/
I am sorta uneasy voting LP myself when I feel I gain so little from their ISO aside from their alignment but I wont fight them going over either since I can see the comparison between here & the game leetic linked & it at least helps me w a few people depending on LP's flip so that's at least helpful \o/
Yeah, ok. That I can agree to. I think I'd take that coin flip over most other coinflips right now.
I think town learns more from my flip than LP.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:25 pmWhy are you voting Seanzie? You said it was "strong stances", is there something I'm missing?Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:24 pmThe easiest thing to do when logging into the thread is seeing when eod is.
Notice I’m not particularly trying to save myself. But I like receipts and voting for someone is a damn good receipt for following days
And if you're town, why aren't you trying to save yourself?
@Scotty
I don't want to flip for "information", I want to be right. Why would you be okay with something you know is a mislynch?Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:28 pmI think town learns more from my flip than LP.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:25 pmWhy are you voting Seanzie? You said it was "strong stances", is there something I'm missing?Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:24 pmThe easiest thing to do when logging into the thread is seeing when eod is.
Notice I’m not particularly trying to save myself. But I like receipts and voting for someone is a damn good receipt for following days
And if you're town, why aren't you trying to save yourself?
I think LP is a terrible d1 pick.
Change my mind
Oh, and why Seanzie? He was someone on page 2 or whatever that was making stances that I associate with someone just slinging shit at the wall.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:25 pmWhy are you voting Seanzie? You said it was "strong stances", is there something I'm missing?Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:24 pmThe easiest thing to do when logging into the thread is seeing when eod is.
Notice I’m not particularly trying to save myself. But I like receipts and voting for someone is a damn good receipt for following days
And if you're town, why aren't you trying to save yourself?
In doing so you're putting Scotty as joint lead wagon ?_?
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:12 pmThis stuff. Jack slanked the answer and pyxxy didn't respond to it in any way, like they didn't really care what the response was, but rather was just trying to generate thread content.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:19 pmWe used to date but are still good friends.pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:18 pmoh nice, I was about to attempt to tag-summon you with a meh question, but you're naturally hereJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:14 pm Well, I finished VLR today and I haven't given this game enough time and the kids are all in bed so I supposed I should read and solve over here.
but while I have you
what's your experience with Long Con?
I can’t possibly make a convincing argument to you, considering I KNOW I am town. I have more information in the matter.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:29 pmI don't want to flip for "information", I want to be right. Why would you be okay with something you know is a mislynch?Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:28 pmI think town learns more from my flip than LP.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:25 pmWhy are you voting Seanzie? You said it was "strong stances", is there something I'm missing?Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:24 pmThe easiest thing to do when logging into the thread is seeing when eod is.
Notice I’m not particularly trying to save myself. But I like receipts and voting for someone is a damn good receipt for following days
And if you're town, why aren't you trying to save yourself?
I think LP is a terrible d1 pick.
Change my mind