The Syndicate

juliets wrote:llama if you have already answered this my apologies, but what do you think about k4j?

Also, is there anything else about Mongoose besides your opinion that she's been more defensive than normal? I will go back through her posts since I haven't seen this point brought up before but I just wonder if there's not something else, even small, that you are seeing.

Snow Dog wrote:

juliets wrote:llama if you have already answered this my apologies, but what do you think about k4j?

Also, is there anything else about Mongoose besides your opinion that she's been more defensive than normal? I will go back through her posts since I haven't seen this point brought up before but I just wonder if there's not something else, even small, that you are seeing.

What made youback offfrom voting INH?

thellama73 wrote:What happened to positive reinforcement, Russ?

juliets wrote:llama if you have already answered this my apologies, but what do you think about k4j?

Also, is there anything else about Mongoose besides your opinion that she's been more defensive than normal? I will go back through her posts since I haven't seen this point brought up before but I just wonder if there's not something else, even small, that you are seeing.

Lizzy wrote:
Vomps' remark about Dom gives me break though. I need a few more days to form a proper opinion, but he's more careful than usual, which again, suggests he has a role that requires a certain degree of responsibility, and we know the baddies aren't the only ones with BTSC.

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thellama73 wrote:Okay, seven hours till the poll closes and here are my thoughts this morning:

Dom has been exceptionally conciliatory to me since I said I might vote for him, asking my opinion, sympathizing with me, and so forth. This is understandable and wise on his part, and it does not necessarily make him bad. Civvies want to avoid taking votes as much as baddies. Still, it stuck out to me enough to keep him on my watch list. That being said, it has been very pleasant playing with you, Dom!

I am less interested in voting for MetalMarsh today for reasons I can't quite articulate. Something about his responses has made me less inclined to give him my vote today.

Mongoose has seemed uncharacteristically defensive, which, along with my earlier points, makes her the most suspicious in my eyes. If nothing else emerges, she will probably get my vote today.

I look forward to the opinions of others as the day progresses.

Dom wrote: Llama, I will say that I have been exceptionally conciliatory because I do not think you are bad as of yet.

FZ. wrote:Before I make my vote. Does anyone but me think Reyway is acting very scummy?

FZ. wrote: linki: @ Hey Lizzie, so are you going to vote for K4J?

Russtifinko wrote: Sarcastic: Sarcastic posts that aren't orange will result in me rubbing a porcupine on the offending party's face. They would make S~V~S mad though, and that would be a GREAT idea.

Dom wrote: Lizzy, are you talking about me or Vomps here?

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Also, as a public service announcement, I am completely colorblind. I'll try to read between the lines, but feel free to just flat-out tell me if you're being sarcastic.

Lizzy wrote:

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Also, as a public service announcement, I am completely colorblind. I'll try to read between the lines, but feel free to just flat-out tell me if you're being sarcastic.

No biggy, I usually use :P anyway. Don't modkill me k.

is an acceptable alternative. That smiley is one of my favorites for that reason.

Russtifinko wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Also, as a public service announcement, I am completely colorblind. I'll try to read between the lines, but feel free to just flat-out tell me if you're being sarcastic.

No biggy, I usually use :P anyway. Don't modkill me k.

is an acceptable alternative. That smiley is one of my favorites for that reason.

Lizzy wrote:

Russtifinko wrote: Sarcastic: Sarcastic posts that aren't orange will result in me rubbing a porcupine on the offending party's face. They would make S~V~S mad though, and that would be a GREAT idea.

You have no idea how sad I am this is in orange.

If DP gives his permission to be used as a face rubbing implement of torture, I would be OK with it. Otherwise there may or may not be an angry smashfest

thellama73 wrote: I am less interested in voting for MetalMarsh today for reasons I can't quite articulate. Something about his responses has made me less inclined to give him my vote today.

S~V~S wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

Russtifinko wrote: Sarcastic: Sarcastic posts that aren't orange will result in me rubbing a porcupine on the offending party's face. They would make S~V~S mad though, and that would be a GREAT idea.

You have no idea how sad I am this is in orange.

If DP gives his permission to be used as a face rubbing implement of torture, I would be OK with it. Otherwise there may or may not be an angry smashfest

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote: I am less interested in voting for MetalMarsh today for reasons I can't quite articulate. Something about his responses has made me less inclined to give him my vote today.

I am quite curious now why you changed your mind. No one else seemed interested in backing your case; was it related to that?

FZ. wrote:Okay, since I'm going now on my vacation, I have to vote. I would really like to lynch Reywas, but no one seems to want to follow, so I'm left with either K4J or Mongoose who might get others' vote . I feel the stronger case if for K4J, and as much as I want him here playing, I can't let that go. Kitty, if you're a civ, I'm really sorry, but I have to make a decision now.

See you all on Saturday

Elohcin wrote:I agree with llama that a spread vote makes it easier for the baddies to manipulate the lynch in their favor, but I also agree with MP/TH as well. If we go llama's way and pile votes on someone like Dom, chances are he will turn out civ and then we are left with not much info to go on. Day 1 is usually all about guessing and disappointment unfortunately.

Lots of names have been thrown around but I have no gut pings as of yet, my gut pings are usually right. I'd like to be able to wait and see if I get any, but there is not much time and I need to go ahead and vote b/c I have RL stuff to do.

Randomizing DFaraday. That's right....I don't want to be accountable for my vote

Great to have you back SnowDog!

Elohcin wrote:Seriously?!? That is an amazing result. I can't believe that in two games in a row we got a baddie Day 1. I think I will be less likely to randomize Day 1 now. Great result!

I am choosing "my journal". I would never forget food, drink, or a rope. I am one of those mom's that has everything she or her kids will need right in her purse/diaper bag .

Elohcin » Sat May 17, 2014 12:12 pm wrote:I voted for Kyle since he voted for me. I know his vote was random and there are no hard feelings there. And, I wouldn't have voted for him if it meant he would receive 2 votes and be tied for first. I wanted to vote for someone who had no votes so far and he seemed like the best choice. All in good fun! But I hope more things come to the surface thoughout the night and tomorrow so we can have a better idea of who could be bad.

Lizzy wrote:The points brought up about K4J are pretty solid, corroborated with the fact that MP's fate was pretty much sealed when he decided to vote for him.

And then there's this when he only had ONE vote and there were still 20 something people left to vote and he wasn't really under scrutiny:

So which is it? Is it strange people agreed with you on INH or is it okay they did and ended up voting for him? Your game and explanations at the moment remind me quite a bit of Exodus, to be honest.

kneel4justice wrote:I think people are dead set on finding a scum-buddy in MP's voters. I really don't know how to defend that.
I voted for MP because I thought he was most likely to be scum. It is just that simple.

People have a problem with my late vote.
I came in late. I was busy. Even if I was a townie (which I am) I would not have been able to vote earlier.

I don't know what else to say.
I have to go now, hopefully I'll be back before deadline.

juliets wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:I think people are dead set on finding a scum-buddy in MP's voters. I really don't know how to defend that.
I voted for MP because I thought he was most likely to be scum. It is just that simple.

People have a problem with my late vote.
I came in late. I was busy. Even if I was a townie (which I am) I would not have been able to vote earlier.

I don't know what else to say.
I have to go now, hopefully I'll be back before deadline.

I don't know whether to take this as an oddly worded point or a slip. It seems to obvious for a slip but I don't know, it makes me uneasy.

llama I re-read Mongoose and the issue I'm having with her being defensive is it seems to be with you. I know you are great friends in real life and I wonder if it's just that she's more comfortable taking on that tone with you. I haven't ruled her out for a vote, this is just something that struck me as I read through.

Splints Welcome! I would love to help you out but I am the worst at summaries. I can tell you that MP was lynched the first day and was bad. The people who voted for him have come under suspicion by some because it is felt one of his own teammates would have voted for him (one of those people is k4j and is why he started to get suspicion). Also the voters for MP were all right in a row except 1. There are also some who feel, llama I know is one but I can't think of the others, that the names MP brought up as suspects might be bad because he is one who distances hard and throws his teammates under the bus. There has been some debate on whether that is true. One of those people is Dom and I can't remember who the other is (this is why I'm not good at summaries) - it may be Metalmarsh. Daisy came under some suspicion because MP voted for her out of the blue and she seemed to take it very calmly, not surprised or upset. She explained why that was in a post and i think most people have moved away from her.

Even this small summary of some things that have happened is incomplete. It seems I remember llama does good summaries but if not, maybe someone else can fill in the gaping holes in mine and/or correct any names I got wrong or theories I misrepresented. It's the best I can do.

Epignosis wrote:Mongoose, I'm going to be honest- that last post made me go from Whoo to wehrn wehrn wehrn with you.

juliets wrote:llama if you have already answered this my apologies, but what do you think about k4j?

Also, is there anything else about Mongoose besides your opinion that she's been more defensive than normal? I will go back through her posts since I haven't seen this point brought up before but I just wonder if there's not something else, even small, that you are seeing.

FZ. wrote:Okay, since I'm going now on my vacation, I have to vote. I would really like to lynch Reywas, but no one seems to want to follow, so I'm left with either K4J or Mongoose who might get others' vote . I feel the stronger case if for K4J, and as much as I want him here playing, I can't let that go. Kitty, if you're a civ, I'm really sorry, but I have to make a decision now.

See you all on Saturday

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:llama if you have already answered this my apologies, but what do you think about k4j?

Also, is there anything else about Mongoose besides your opinion that she's been more defensive than normal? I will go back through her posts since I haven't seen this point brought up before but I just wonder if there's not something else, even small, that you are seeing.

Yes, my main argument against her has been that her posts have had the appearance of substance without actually containing any. It's a common mafia trick to look like you're hunting when in fact you are not.

I have never been successful at reading k4j, and the fact that the posts are written in blue makes it hard for me to read them. So to be honest, I have not been paying that much attention to her. I haven't really picked up on any red flags, except for the fact that she's been pretty aggressive, but coming from K-Site that doesn't seem to be unusual.

FZ: I have seen Rey's baddie game a few times, and I think you may be onto something, but I am not confident about it yet.

Epignosis wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I agree with llama that a spread vote makes it easier for the baddies to manipulate the lynch in their favor, but I also agree with MP/TH as well. If we go llama's way and pile votes on someone like Dom, chances are he will turn out civ and then we are left with not much info to go on. Day 1 is usually all about guessing and disappointment unfortunately.

Lots of names have been thrown around but I have no gut pings as of yet, my gut pings are usually right. I'd like to be able to wait and see if I get any, but there is not much time and I need to go ahead and vote b/c I have RL stuff to do.

Randomizing DFaraday. That's right....I don't want to be accountable for my vote

Great to have you back SnowDog!

This has to be one of the most ambivalent posts I've ever seen.

Regarding the enlarged, what is it about Dom that makes him more likely to be civilian than anyone else? "Someone like Dom..."

Anyway, let me outline this post:

1a. Spreading the vote makes it easier for Mafia to manipulate the lynch but
2a. A bandwagon will most likely lynch a civilian
A. Therefore Day 1 is about guessing and being disappointed.

1b. I have no instinct, which is unfortunate because
2b. My instincts are usually good, so
B. I will vote randomly.

The defeatist attitude of item "A" stands in stark contrast with the next post, highlighted below. Item "A" also is not what one would expect if Item "2b" were true.

Elohcin wrote:Seriously?!? That is an amazing result. I can't believe that in two games in a row we got a baddie Day 1. I think I will be less likely to randomize Day 1 now. Great result!

I am choosing "my journal". I would never forget food, drink, or a rope. I am one of those mom's that has everything she or her kids will need right in her purse/diaper bag .

Pokemon (the other game referenced), Day 1:

Elohcin » Sat May 17, 2014 12:12 pm wrote:I voted for Kyle since he voted for me. I know his vote was random and there are no hard feelings there. And, I wouldn't have voted for him if it meant he would receive 2 votes and be tied for first. I wanted to vote for someone who had no votes so far and he seemed like the best choice. All in good fun! But I hope more things come to the surface thoughout the night and tomorrow so we can have a better idea of who could be bad.

The enlarged text above implies that you voted randomly on Day 1 in both Pokemon and here. But you didn't vote randomly on Day 1 in Pokemon- only here.

juliets wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

juliets wrote:llama if you have already answered this my apologies, but what do you think about k4j?

Also, is there anything else about Mongoose besides your opinion that she's been more defensive than normal? I will go back through her posts since I haven't seen this point brought up before but I just wonder if there's not something else, even small, that you are seeing.

What made youback offfrom voting INH?

The only thing that had me suspicious about INH is how defensive he was but others convinced me that he is that way no matter his alignment so I dropped my suspicion of him. I know you voted him - do you still carry suspicion of him?

Turnip Head wrote: K4j, I'm sorry, but your behavior during the MP lynch and afterwards causes me to think you are his partner and did some last minute distancing because you knew he was going to get lynched and flip bad.

If you were civ I would expect you to be saying more about the lynch at hand... I think you would be trying to find one of MP's real teammates to lynch if you were not one of them. Your suspicion of FZ also does not feel genuine to me, and you used the "we think about things the same way when we are both civs" line to justify your opinion of her, but the details of what you don't agree with her about are hazy.

It's not personal because you know I really enjoy playing with you, but nothing you've said has made me feel civ about you. I'm voting for you now.

kneel4justice wrote:

Lizzy wrote:The points brought up about K4J are pretty solid, corroborated with the fact that MP's fate was pretty much sealed when he decided to vote for him.

The points brought against me are not solid.
If they were solid, then people should be saying that my last minute vote for MP was throwing a baddie under the bus, if it was solid that was all they have to say. I think when people go to the extent of saying my suspicion of Epi is a lie, it doesn't make sense, it is insincere it shows how desperate they are to PUSH their point.
The change in Epi is EVIDENT, so how is it so shocking that my opinion changed on him? Yet people use that to push the idea that I just changed my mind to go against MP.

reywaS wrote:

FZ. wrote:Okay, since I'm going now on my vacation, I have to vote. I would really like to lynch Reywas, but no one seems to want to follow, so I'm left with either K4J or Mongoose who might get others' vote . I feel the stronger case if for K4J, and as much as I want him here playing, I can't let that go. Kitty, if you're a civ, I'm really sorry, but I have to make a decision now.

See you all on Saturday

You would really like to lynch me, but no one else will follow you? Wow. So, you are voting today for the person most likely to get votes from other people rather than who you actually think is most likely to be bad? That sounds like baddie thinking to me.

Snow Dog wrote:

juliets wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

juliets wrote:llama if you have already answered this my apologies, but what do you think about k4j?

Also, is there anything else about Mongoose besides your opinion that she's been more defensive than normal? I will go back through her posts since I haven't seen this point brought up before but I just wonder if there's not something else, even small, that you are seeing.

What made youback offfrom voting INH?

The only thing that had me suspicious about INH is how defensive he was but others convinced me that he is that way no matter his alignment so I dropped my suspicion of him. I know you voted him - do you still carry suspicion of him?

Well MPdefendedhim. Wouldhedo that tohis own team?

insertnamehere wrote:Both the cases on FZ and K4J seem to come down to "bad vibes" and minor pings. If I have to choose the one who I feel is putting off the most negative ways, and taking things a bit too personally, I'm going with K4J.