[FELT Mafia]: ENDGAME

[Hedgeowl]

Alright, Llama, keterman. Where do we go from here.

Let's lynch Hedgebaddie. Just look at her name, she is obviously bad.

Seriously, that's the first thing you want to do coming back? You still think I am bad, because I suspected you this game?

I honestly didnt give any weight to the theory you could be bad and your team killed you for the confusion, but a rezz chnages things.I thought I must have been really wrong about you, but I am very surprised and think you should reread me before you go jumping to inaccurate conclusions once again.

[Made]

Alright, Llama, keterman. Where do we go from here.

Let's lynch Hedgebaddie. Just look at her name, she is obviously bad.

Seriously, that's the first thing you want to do coming back? You still think I am bad, because I suspected you this game?

I honestly didnt give any weight to the theory you could be bad and your team killed you for the confusion, but a rezz chnages things.I thought I must have been really wrong about you, but I am very surprised and think you should reread me before you go jumping to inaccurate conclusions once again.

I'm honestly am going to need a little bit more behind your judgement than a simple "yeah hedgie sux" is it the same thing you considered early game or has your reasoning changed?

[thellama73]

I have explained my reasoning for thinking Hedgeowl is bad.

Elohcin's claim that the single mafia team would kill one of their own members for cred is obviously insane, but I don't know if it makes her bad. I can't see a baddie saying something so transparently nonsensical. She bears watching though.

[thellama73]

Wait a minute, why am I leading the lynch again? You always do this, Made! I feel like I am being set up. Other people, come up with your own opinions, and don't just follow me. In case you haven't noticed, my radar has been off this game.

[Made]

Wait a minute, why am I leading the lynch again? You always do this, Made! I feel like I am being set up. Other people, come up with your own opinions, and don't just follow me. In case you haven't noticed, my radar has been off this game.

Honestly, I think Keterman should probably lead this lynch.

For what it's worth i'm leaning Elo/Bullz atm.

[Roxy]

Yay llama and keterman are back!

keterman/Llama will you srsly look into Elo and give me your thoughts on my case.
I do not think Hedge is bad this game though I was fooled in LOST Mafia by her. I just don't get any nose twitches from her. I will srsly go back and reread her to see if I feel the same.

[Roxy]

Also I picked a dinosaur

[thellama73]

keterman/Llama will you srsly look into Elo and give me your thoughts on my case.
I do not think Hedge is bad this game though I was fooled in LOST Mafia by her. I just don't get any nose twitches from her. I will srsly go back and reread her to see if I feel the same.

My pleasure. I put a lot of stock in your opinion, and I have read her a couple of times already. So far, not much has really jumped out at me, but the sheer madness of her argument that the baddies would kill one of their own makes me think twice. I will definitely give her another look today.

[Hedgeowl]

keterman/Llama will you srsly look into Elo and give me your thoughts on my case.
I do not think Hedge is bad this game though I was fooled in LOST Mafia by her. I just don't get any nose twitches from her. I will srsly go back and reread her to see if I feel the same.

My pleasure. I put a lot of stock in your opinion, and I have read her a couple of times already. So far, not much has really jumped out at me, but the sheer madness of her argument that the baddies would kill one of their own makes me think twice. I will definitely give her another look today.

It was Elo's argument actually and one I didn't give much thought too, except like her I was shocked you were killed and thought you very likely bad. You being rezzed however gives new life to her theory however, since it suddenly would make a lot more sense for a baddie team to kill and then rezz one of their own. I still would think I was mistaken about you except your insistence that I am still bad despite evidence to the contrary that you are ignoring.

I actually wouldn't vote for you probably, but you leading a lynch on me convinces me I was right all along.

[thellama73]

keterman/Llama will you srsly look into Elo and give me your thoughts on my case.
I do not think Hedge is bad this game though I was fooled in LOST Mafia by her. I just don't get any nose twitches from her. I will srsly go back and reread her to see if I feel the same.

My pleasure. I put a lot of stock in your opinion, and I have read her a couple of times already. So far, not much has really jumped out at me, but the sheer madness of her argument that the baddies would kill one of their own makes me think twice. I will definitely give her another look today.

It was Elo's argument actually and one I didn't give much thought too, except like her I was shocked you were killed and thought you very likely bad. You being rezzed however gives new life to her theory however, since it suddenly would make a lot more sense for a baddie team to kill and then rezz one of their own. I still would think I was mistaken about you except your insistence that I am still bad despite evidence to the contrary that you are ignoring.

I actually wouldn't vote for you probably, but you leading a lynch on me convinces me I was right all along.

yes, I was referring to Eloh. Sorry, I should have specified.

[thellama73]

keterman/Llama will you srsly look into Elo and give me your thoughts on my case.
I do not think Hedge is bad this game though I was fooled in LOST Mafia by her. I just don't get any nose twitches from her. I will srsly go back and reread her to see if I feel the same.

My pleasure. I put a lot of stock in your opinion, and I have read her a couple of times already. So far, not much has really jumped out at me, but the sheer madness of her argument that the baddies would kill one of their own makes me think twice. I will definitely give her another look today.

It was Elo's argument actually and one I didn't give much thought too, except like her I was shocked you were killed and thought you very likely bad. You being rezzed however gives new life to her theory however, since it suddenly would make a lot more sense for a baddie team to kill and then rezz one of their own. I still would think I was mistaken about you except your insistence that I am still bad despite evidence to the contrary that you are ignoring.

I actually wouldn't vote for you probably, but you leading a lynch on me convinces me I was right all along.

I think that theory of the baddie kill and rezz is even crazier than Eloh's original. Why? Opportunity cost.

Put on your learning hats, children.

Opportunity cost is what you have to give up to do something. So when you go to the store to buy bread, the cost is not only the money you spent on bread, but anything else you could have done with that time and money. For example, you might have to give up going to the movies, or sleeping in, or going out for breakfast. Whatever you give up to do something is part of its cost, even if it is not visible or obvious.

For a baddie team to kill their own member, they not only lose a member, they also lose a chance to kill a civilian. This action is therefore twice as costly as it might initially appear. Same thing with a resurrect. For a baddie team to kill one of their own with the intention of resurrecting them, they have to give up the chance to resurrect someone who was actually killed by the civvies.

This means that for this theory to work the baddie team would have had to be willing to pay:
1. the life of one of its members
2. the chance to kill an enemy
3. the chance to resurrect a friend

All in order to gain civ cred. Given that we have been doing a terrible job of finding the baddies as it is, I cannot see any way that they would engage in such foolishness.

[sabie12]

My pleasure. I put a lot of stock in your opinion, and I have read her a couple of times already. So far, not much has really jumped out at me, but the sheer madness of her argument that the baddies would kill one of their own makes me think twice. I will definitely give her another look today.[/quote]

It was Elo's argument actually and one I didn't give much thought too, except like her I was shocked you were killed and thought you very likely bad. You being rezzed however gives new life to her theory however, since it suddenly would make a lot more sense for a baddie team to kill and then rezz one of their own. I still would think I was mistaken about you except your insistence that I am still bad despite evidence to the contrary that you are ignoring.

I actually wouldn't vote for you probably, but you leading a lynch on me convinces me I was right all along.[/quote]

I think that theory of the baddie kill and rezz is even crazier than Eloh's original. Why? Opportunity cost.

Put on your learning hats, children.

Opportunity cost is what you have to give up to do something. So when you go to the store to buy bread, the cost is not only the money you spent on bread, but anything else you could have done with that time and money. For example, you might have to give up going to the movies, or sleeping in, or going out for breakfast. Whatever you give up to do something is part of its cost, even if it is not visible or obvious.

For a baddie team to kill their own member, they not only lose a member, they also lose a chance to kill a civilian. This action is therefore twice as costly as it might initially appear. Same thing with a resurrect. For a baddie team to kill one of their own with the intention of resurrecting them, they have to give up the chance to resurrect someone who was actually killed by the civvies.

This means that for this theory to work the baddie team would have had to be willing to pay:
1. the life of one of its members
2. the chance to kill an enemy
3. the chance to resurrect a friend

All in order to gain civ cred. Given that we have been doing a terrible job of finding the baddies as it is, I cannot see any way that they would engage in such foolishness.[/quote]


Very eloquently put there Llama. I wish I was as good at explaining my arguments, but that all makes sense. Maybe I'll get there someday.

As far as the vote goes I have always loved dinosaurs ever since I was a kid and I used to pretend to be a raptor so that was my first choice.

[sabie12]

Oops somehow I messed up the quote thing. That was supposed to have quoted llama. Sorry

[Hedgeowl]

keterman/Llama will you srsly look into Elo and give me your thoughts on my case.
I do not think Hedge is bad this game though I was fooled in LOST Mafia by her. I just don't get any nose twitches from her. I will srsly go back and reread her to see if I feel the same.

My pleasure. I put a lot of stock in your opinion, and I have read her a couple of times already. So far, not much has really jumped out at me, but the sheer madness of her argument that the baddies would kill one of their own makes me think twice. I will definitely give her another look today.

It was Elo's argument actually and one I didn't give much thought too, except like her I was shocked you were killed and thought you very likely bad. You being rezzed however gives new life to her theory however, since it suddenly would make a lot more sense for a baddie team to kill and then rezz one of their own. I still would think I was mistaken about you except your insistence that I am still bad despite evidence to the contrary that you are ignoring.

I actually wouldn't vote for you probably, but you leading a lynch on me convinces me I was right all along.

yes, I was referring to Eloh. Sorry, I should have specified.

Whoops, ok that makes more sense. lol.

As to your Opportunity cost explanation while very interesting, it doesn't mean baddies never take risks. You have been almost lynched 3 days in a row and tied twice in those lynches. You survived one tied lynch with Elo. You survived a second tied lynch with 3 other people. Then you are suddenly NK'd, which makes ZERO sense for a baddie team to do btw. And now you have been rezzed. THere are no rezz powers listed as civ or baddie, so we have no idea who would have done this, something baddies could count on as well.

You would have been lynched eventually, maybe Day 4, which would have revealed something about the previous lynches and possibly the identities of teammates trying to protect you. It may have been worht the risk for a baddie team to kill you and then rezz you. If you had been lynched we would have seen your identity, but as an NK, we don't know your role still. The rezz would be there to use for one of the baddie team members anyway, so all that was "lost" would be 1 NK. That cost doesn't sound very high to me for a gambit such as this one.

[Elohcin]

I picked Brachiosaurus. Now I will catch up

[Elohcin]

keterman/Llama will you srsly look into Elo and give me your thoughts on my case.
I do not think Hedge is bad this game though I was fooled in LOST Mafia by her. I just don't get any nose twitches from her. I will srsly go back and reread her to see if I feel the same.

My pleasure. I put a lot of stock in your opinion, and I have read her a couple of times already. So far, not much has really jumped out at me, but the sheer madness of her argument that the baddies would kill one of their own makes me think twice. I will definitely give her another look today.

It was Elo's argument actually and one I didn't give much thought too, except like her I was shocked you were killed and thought you very likely bad. You being rezzed however gives new life to her theory however, since it suddenly would make a lot more sense for a baddie team to kill and then rezz one of their own. I still would think I was mistaken about you except your insistence that I am still bad despite evidence to the contrary that you are ignoring.

I actually wouldn't vote for you probably, but you leading a lynch on me convinces me I was right all along.

I think that theory of the baddie kill and rezz is even crazier than Eloh's original. Why? Opportunity cost.

Put on your learning hats, children.

Opportunity cost is what you have to give up to do something. So when you go to the store to buy bread, the cost is not only the money you spent on bread, but anything else you could have done with that time and money. For example, you might have to give up going to the movies, or sleeping in, or going out for breakfast. Whatever you give up to do something is part of its cost, even if it is not visible or obvious.

For a baddie team to kill their own member, they not only lose a member, they also lose a chance to kill a civilian. This action is therefore twice as costly as it might initially appear. Same thing with a resurrect. For a baddie team to kill one of their own with the intention of resurrecting them, they have to give up the chance to resurrect someone who was actually killed by the civvies.

This means that for this theory to work the baddie team would have had to be willing to pay:
1. the life of one of its members
2. the chance to kill an enemy
3. the chance to resurrect a friend

All in order to gain civ cred. Given that we have been doing a terrible job of finding the baddies as it is, I cannot see any way that they would engage in such foolishness.

I can't get over how often I hear Epi's voice as I read your posts Llama. It is amazing how often you will say things exactly as he would. For example, "Put on your learning hats, children."

Anyway. I understand your logic, however I know baddies will do odd things to look civ and I wouldn't put it past them.

[Mongoose]

I'm just getting in from a hot flow class and am swimming in sweat (spoiler: tmi), but as soon as I am refreshed, I will host post it up in here.



This place saved my life. Literally my favorite place in the world to do yoga.

[Mongoose]

Night 4: The Pit and the Pendulum



The crew was alarmed! Why was the Big Boss in the pit?

"This is out of control," said Dom.

"But what a sensible Ann Taylor suit!" said Elochin.

"Should we try to rescue her?" asked A Person.

"She'd help if it was us, you know she would," stated Roxy.



"Here's some rope," aid A Person.

"Just a little bit further!" Made encouraged.

"I came back for this?" Keterman said.

"Watch out, guys, you are about to fall in!"

Two of the guys fell down into the pit, landing on rebar.



A Person (Mattmatt) has died.
Dom has died.

It is now Day 5. You have 24 hours to figure out who dug the pit.

[Mongoose]

Night 4 Poll:


What is your favorite dinosaur? (Select up to 6)

Poll ended at Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:58:55 pm


Triceratops
5
sabie12 (18), Made (20), Bullzeye (24), Epignosis (33), Hedgeowl (35) 13%
T-Rex
3
A Person (11), Made (19), Bullzeye (25) 8%
Velociraptor
5
A Person (10), Mister Rearranger (14), sabie12 (17), Bullzeye (26), Hedgeowl (36) 13%
Stegosaurus
5
A Person (8), Made (22), Roxy (23), Epignosis (32), Hedgeowl (37) 13%
Apatosaurus
0
No votes
Archeopteryx
3
thellama73 (2), A Person (12), Bullzeye (27) 8%
Dimetrodon
1
Epignosis (31) 3%
Iguanadon
2
thellama73 (3), Epignosis (30) 5%
Pterodactyl
5
thellama73 (4), A Person (7), Mister Rearranger (13), Bullzeye (28), Hedgeowl (34) 13%
Brachiosaurus
2
Made (21), Elohcin (38) 5%
Pplesiosaur
1
thellama73 (5) 3%
Allosaurus
3
thellama73 (6), A Person (9), Bullzeye (29) 8%
Keith Richards (Host/NPs/Deadies/Mod/Ferrets/etc)
3
Mongoose (1), MovingPictures07 (15), S~V~S (16) 8%

[Mongoose]

[Mister Rearranger]

I can't get over how often I hear Epi's voice as I read your posts Llama. It is amazing how often you will say things exactly as he would. For example, "Put on your learning hats, children."

Anyway. I understand your logic, however I know baddies will do odd things to look civ and I wouldn't put it past them.

Eloh, is there any significance to pointing this out, or were you just joking around?

@Hedge: I was just about to post a response to Llama's points that was very similar to what you said, haha.

[Mister Rearranger]

Also, if Dom and AP were both civ, I'm not super optimistic atm... :/

[Dom]

boo..

[thellama73]

I voted for Elohcin.

[Epignosis]

I voted for Elohcin.

That's rather unexpected given this, this, this, this and this.

Am I to assume by your vote that you are now more suspicious of Eloh than Hedge?

[thellama73]

I voted for Elohcin.

That's rather unexpected given this, this, this, this and this.

Am I to assume by your vote that you are now more suspicious of Eloh than Hedge?

Yes, that is very well assumed. I am a fickle llama, and I change my mind.

[Epignosis]

What changed your mind?

[thellama73]

What changed your mind?

I just couldn't get over her theory of the baddies killing their own. Also, a look at the remaining players and how few of us there now are forced me to do a rather extensive reevaluation of everybody.

[Mongoose]

Good morning, felt friends!

Whenever we get all the votes in, I'll end the day early in order to get us back on a better schedule.

[sabie12]

Hmmmm I find it suspicious that Llama was so quick to change his mind and put in a vote for Eloh.

[Made]

Good morning, felt friends!

Whenever we get all the votes in, I'll end the day early in order to get us back on a better schedule.

BEFORE WE BANDWAGON RUSH OUR VOTES, PLEASE CONSIDER ALL THE BATISH STUFF THATS HAPPENED.

• keterman was brought back to life
  Llama was brought back to life
  For the first time all game, two people died at night
  Dom died
  AP died
  Llama is suddently off Hedgie's case.
  Keterman hasn't talked since the day begun
  Llama who requested not to lead a lynch votes early and first
  Mad hatter only kills on odd nights, but two people died and on an even night

Many things just aren't making sense right now. You can reach your own wild conclusion, but I think we civves need to reevaluate before moving on.

[Bullzeye]

You talk a lot of sense there Made. Who are you finding most suspicious? I think I still trust Llama but I'm less sure now. I do find Elo quite suspicious for her claims that the baddies would kill one of their own.

[Made]

Good morning, felt friends!

Whenever we get all the votes in, I'll end the day early in order to get us back on a better schedule.

BEFORE WE BANDWAGON RUSH OUR VOTES, PLEASE CONSIDER ALL THE BATISH STUFF THATS HAPPENED.

• keterman was brought back to life
  Llama was brought back to life
  For the first time all game, two people died at night
  Dom died
  AP died
  Llama is suddently off Hedgie's case.
  Keterman hasn't talked since the day begun
  Llama who requested not to lead a lynch votes early and first
  Mad hatter only kills on odd nights, but two people died and on an even night

Many things just aren't making sense right now. You can reach your own wild conclusion, but I think we civves need to reevaluate before moving on.


Linki- see above bae. Starting from the bottom.

[thellama73]

I also agree that Made's post is very good. I am getting really worried because of how few people are left and the fact that we haven;t caught a single baddie yet. I hope we fix that today.

[Made]

....cellphones suck, posted twice accidentally, my bad.

[Made]

After further analysis, it's clear that there's at aleast three killers in this game
1.Mad hatter
2.Puppet slayer
3.A Ninja or prize killer.(note probably not allignment exclusive)

Using this logic remove the false pretence that everyone who died is civvie.

As it stands, I kinda thought APerson was mafia, but that was a gut read more than anything and probably just straight up wrong.

I'm leaving lunch. Mafia, please don't use my train of thought to get a civvie lynched while I'm gone.

[Roxy]

2 deaths? wow!
RiP Guys iywg Dom maybe civ and APerson - who knows lol

Made - I have been saying for awhile that their is more than the mafia killing we have a SK that can recruit up to two roles that we know of.

You may as well as think of it as a 2 mafia game tbqh.

I re-read Hedge I still feel the same the thing that gave me paws was her thing about the rezz - makes no sense to me. sorry Hedge.

I feel I can trust Keterman but not llama 100% bc he was NK'ed (don't really trust any more or less than before he was brought bak 2 lyf.

Elo still feels bad to me.

[Elohcin]

What changed your mind?

I just couldn't get over her theory of the baddies killing their own. Also, a look at the remaining players and how few of us there now are forced me to do a rather extensive reevaluation of everybody.

You can't get over it? What exactly do you mean by that? Does my theory make me bad?

Hmmmm I find it suspicious that Llama was so quick to change his mind and put in a vote for Eloh.

Ditto.

You talk a lot of sense there Made. Who are you finding most suspicious? I think I still trust Llama but I'm less sure now. I do find Elo quite suspicious for her claims that the baddies would kill one of their own.

Okay. I get that everyone thinks my theory is stupid. Does it really make me bad?

[Mister Rearranger]

Made, I've been working the impression that the Indy role probably kills since Vomps's demise on N2. Having half of the nights be deathless from D1 would be something I don't think I've seen before. Plus, the part of it's role description that we can see doesn't make it sound like the nice kind of indy role. :/ The only other possibility that crossed my mind was a "crazy" civ role, that was forced to kill on even nights, but idk.

Seeing 2 deaths in 1 night is what catches me off guard. I'm unsettled that it has happened directly after 2 players were rezzed as well.

I'm in agreement with you that we probably shouldn't take Mongoose up on her offer. It's been a quiet day phase so far and there's a lot to discuss. Also, spreading out votes would surely be suicide at this stage of the game.

Linki @Roxy: I don't remember anyone saying that before Made, but maybe I missed it...

[Roxy]

MR - read my posts I brought up the sk to llama and epi to prove their theories wrong.

[Mister Rearranger]

Made - I have been saying for awhile that their is more than the mafia killing we have a SK that can recruit up to two roles that we know of.

You may as well as think of it as a 2 mafia game tbqh.

Ok yeah, so I read back through your posts and didn't see anything that even implies that in any of them. So who were you saying it to?

[Roxy]

Elo - no one called your theory stupid they say your theory makes you suspicious. big difference.

MR Look again } just told you it was epi and llama

I will pull quotes when I can

[Mister Rearranger]

Elo, llama, Epi - You are painting targets - spin how you wish to make yourselves look better but it is what it is. Ganging up on little Hedgy to hammer home your points only proved to make it all so silly tbh. You all kept saying the Mafia know who the civs are but hey remember there is a SK too. Do they know who the SK is?
The arguement of whether to trust a defender was a funny read. llama saying you can't trust the defenders of civs bc he does it all the time as a baddie - Epi saying why would you look at defenders of a non bts role for someone to get civ cred but one who had bts is worth looking at. round in circles you all went . Much to my amusement.

Nvm, found it on D2 (before Vomps died). I saw "Elo" and kept skimming. My apologies!

[Roxy]

Doing a Zelda - giving thoughts as I read.

RIP Keterman
RIP Bea IYWGANAI

Elo, llama, Epi - You are painting targets - spin how you wish to make yourselves look better but it is what it is. Ganging up on little Hedgy to hammer home your points only proved to make it all so silly tbh. You all kept saying the Mafia know who the civs are but hey remember there is a SK too. Do they know who the SK is?
The arguement of whether to trust a defender was a funny read. llama saying you can't trust the defenders of civs bc he does it all the time as a baddie - Epi saying why would you look at defenders of a non bts role for someone to get civ cred but one who had bts is worth looking at. round in circles you all went . Much to my amusement.

llama - the difference betwixt killing a known civ vs a not known civ is that maybe they aren't civ.

Epi - you said its a one mafia game so you can't paint targets - can't happen as you put it. I say hello SK role.

Elo - your vote and now saying you are thinking that if someone defended Keterman then they are more trusty only proves to twitch my nose more. Its Day 2. How do you trust anyone in a game with a mafia and SK so quickly? Why did you vote llama in the poll? You don't think he is bad yet you voted for him. I don't expect for you to respond as you ignored my point last night and only addressed it when Hedge brought it up to you - that and you said you are done defending yourself, that is not very civ imo.

llama - Sabie really? On day 2 bc she did not respond to your ridiculous question? Bc she is voting without posting? Well if I was new here and didn't know you and Epi I might feel a bit overwhelmed. Maybe this is her first game? Maybe she is shy like AP or Vomps at first.

Bullz - why MR? I think you saying you wouldn't vote for Sabie but would vote for MR.

Vomps - do you have to make a certain number of posts in German?

[Roxy]

Hahaha well here it is again - sorry everyone for the double post of my post

[Roxy]

I had forgotten thats what made me think that llama was sk or recruit to begin with his refusal to admit anything about a sk. going on about known civs.

[Mister Rearranger]

Did Ali ever comment on your response to him? It seems like a weird leap of logic for him to make that assumption when I haven't seen a 1 mafia game where they don't kill every night. Maybe he has, but I don't remember any.

[Mister Rearranger]

Ebwop: *Epi, not Ali. Autocorrect, seriously? Haha

[Elohcin]

Elo - no one called your theory stupid they say your theory makes you suspicious. big difference.

MR Look again } just told you it was epi and llama

I will pull quotes when I can

Although they may not have used the exact word "stupid".........It was both.

[sabie12]

Yeah I also was wondering about that SK role and if they are part of this crazy killing spree, which would cause members of both the baddie and the good side to be confused. It also has a recruitment power so maybe they have more people helping them out with their evil plans.