The Syndicate

a2thezebra wrote:I did not believe Simon and sig were teammates. However, I was leaning towards it I admit, and I needed a way to be sure. I sensed ulterior motives from a number of players including Simon and sig themselves, so I pulled some WIFOM out of my butt to gauge reactions. At the time I disagreed with either one of them being lynched, there really wasn't any information or connections that could be analyzed from their flip, whatever that may be. Not enough anyway. Now, there is tons of content related directly to the different interpretations of what's really going on, so a lynching of either of them (especially sig) will prove massively helpful. I am still not sure if they are teammates or not, but I think a sig lynch will be beneficial because for one, I think he is bad regardless of whether Simon slipped or not, if he is teammates then we've got two of the bosses with plenty of time left to get the third, and if he is good we can look at the Epi/Simon theory that has been proposed (and denied by Epi because he wouldn't bus his own son? Nonsense, of course he would) and see if it has any merit. A sig lynch will immensely beneficial, in stark contrast to both an Enrique lynch and a me lynch.

I left "too early" ambiguous on purpose.

linki - My death might be informative as well.

sig wrote:I thought she wasn't a good lynch choice, but I changed my mind to being fine with her lynch.
Mainly this post.

a2thezebra wrote:I did not believe Simon and sig were teammates. However, I was leaning towards it I admit, and I needed a way to be sure. I sensed ulterior motives from a number of players including Simon and sig themselves, so I pulled some WIFOM out of my butt to gauge reactions. At the time I disagreed with either one of them being lynched, there really wasn't any information or connections that could be analyzed from their flip, whatever that may be. Not enough anyway. Now, there is tons of content related directly to the different interpretations of what's really going on, so a lynching of either of them (especially sig) will prove massively helpful. I am still not sure if they are teammates or not, but I think a sig lynch will be beneficial because for one, I think he is bad regardless of whether Simon slipped or not, if he is teammates then we've got two of the bosses with plenty of time left to get the third, and if he is good we can look at the Epi/Simon theory that has been proposed (and denied by Epi because he wouldn't bus his own son? Nonsense, of course he would) and see if it has any merit. A sig lynch will immensely beneficial, in stark contrast to both an Enrique lynch and a me lynch.

I left "too early" ambiguous on purpose.

linki - My death might be informative as well.

But also her general interaction regarding Epi. She disagreed with him about Simon/Sig team, but thought I was bad and in the above post quoted said it could have been true. It seemed to be like she was setting up other people for a lynch after me. Or if Simon was civ she would have lynched me, then lynched Simon. She would have then said no point in lynching Epi since I'm wrong. If they were teammates.

linki:

sig wrote:Simon lets have fun, vote for Scotty with me and make it a three way tie. I'll address some things in a moment. First off did I say I would vote for Scotty/DDL? No what I said was out of these two and Epi one is mafia. I was willing to go with the thought EPi wasn't mafia, however I'm more confident that this isn't the case. I've also considered that Simon is civ I've said he could be a civ and Epi is bussing him, however it makes more sense for them both to be mafia.

sig wrote:If I was scum, I wouldn't have gone after Epi. I'm not the most aggressive scum player,and I certainly wouldn't have targeted a high profile civ who could rip to shreds an argument against him. The digging of my own grave was targeting Epi and pursuing him, as well as the way I answered his accusation that Simonand I are teammates.

sig wrote:You are wrong here, never did I say you were throwing Simon under the bus. Your goal was to distance yourself from Simon and semi clear him. Never were you actually attempting to lynch him, I've said this many times and looking over your posts it is fairly obvious you had no intention of getting Simon lynched.

sig wrote:This is a lie, I've never changed my vote. I voted for Epi, said I would vote for Epi, and never switched from Epi.
He on the other hand has switched his vote multiply times, he has gone from thinking Zebra was a good lynch, to saying she was bad. As well as saying he wasn't pushing for my lynch, and then tried to get me lynched and dropped Simon.

Epignosis wrote:When did I ever think that Zebra was a good lynch?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:When did I ever think that Zebra was a good lynch?

Close enough.

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:When did I ever think that Zebra was a good lynch?

Close enough.

It ain't a threat if it ain't believable.

Soneji wrote:I gave Sig some leeway yesterday because while I am not big on players responding to accusations with conspiracy theories, I gave him the benefit of the doubt due to people who know him saying he can dig his own grave and Sorcha seemingly aiming to fan the flames between Epi and Sig. Now however, with Sig saying he was purposely baiting Epi, I am inclined to vote for him as that claim seems fairly ludicrous. So early on you are going to hatch a plan to try to "catch" a big fish player?

This doesn't eliminate Sorcha from my list, though I am willing to see the Sig lynch through.

[VOTE: ] aubergine

Metalmarsh89 wrote:First zebra, now sig who dies twice in a 15 minute span.

Enrique wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:First zebra, now sig who dies twice in a 15 minute span.

What?

RIP sig.

Scotty wrote:Welp.
I'm sorry to see you go, sig.

What say you now, Epi?

Because I still believe one of you or Simon is bad. And I feel like a broken record at this point. But apparently only a handful of people are willing to go there because it's "cluttering up the thread".

Spacedaisy wrote:

Simon wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Hey SIMON, let's vote for your pop!

Simon, do you rat on your siblings? Are they older or younger than you?

I agree. I think Daddy's boss because he was quick in thinking that e and Sig are teammates.

I am the oldest sibling. I'm eight years old. My sister is six. She just had her birthday. My brother is three. I tell on them and boss them because I'm the oldest.

This post is like the cutest thing ever and makes it so hard to vote Simon, but I'm going to leave my vote there... I'm an awful persooooooooon!

Spacedaisy wrote:Can you please explain the reasoning there?

Matt wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Can you please explain the reasoning there?

Yes. 2+2=4 therefore since sig is civ, and if Simon is bad, then Glorfindel needs to go.

But I'm also cool with skipping straight to lynching Glorfindel if everyone else is up for it.

Also, Enrique, what do you think of Boomslang's "I'm not down for lynching Simon...yet" Ha!

Spacedaisy wrote:

Matt wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Can you please explain the reasoning there?

Yes. 2+2=4 therefore since sig is civ, and if Simon is bad, then Glorfindel needs to go.

But I'm also cool with skipping straight to lynching Glorfindel if everyone else is up for it.

Also, Enrique, what do you think of Boomslang's "I'm not down for lynching Simon...yet" Ha!

I didn't ask you to repeat yourself I asked you to explain it. I am willing to listen to any case, and if there is some logic there I might be swayed, but simply saying if this person is bad and this person is civ then this other person must be bad. I need to understand what you used to draw these conclusions. Because Glorfindel did not vote Simon?

Matt wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Can you please explain the reasoning there?

Yes. 2+2=4 therefore since sig is civ, and if Simon is bad, then Glorfindel needs to go.

But I'm also cool with skipping straight to lynching Glorfindel if everyone else is up for it.

Also, Enrique, what do you think of Boomslang's "I'm not down for lynching Simon...yet" Ha!

Soneji wrote:I gave Sig some leeway yesterday because while I am not big on players responding to accusations with conspiracy theories, I gave him the benefit of the doubt due to people who know him saying he can dig his own grave and Sorcha seemingly aiming to fan the flames between Epi and Sig. Now however, with Sig saying he was purposely baiting Epi, I am inclined to vote for him as that claim seems fairly ludicrous. So early on you are going to hatch a plan to try to "catch" a big fish player?

This doesn't eliminate Sorcha from my list, though I am willing to see the Sig lynch through.

[VOTE: ] aubergine

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:@Matt: I've been kind of suspicious of Glorfindel the entire game, but haven't really decided why. Could you help, and say why exactly you suspect him?

I promise that at least I won't ignore you

FZ. wrote:RIP Sig.
Wow, this sucks. I was really hoping this day ended better. Sorry, I should have trusted my initial gut.

Epi, a big part of your suspicion of Simon was based on the fact that when you asked him if he was on Sig's team, he said he thought so. You interpreted that as him forgetting he wasn't supposed to say who his team was, and then it all snowballed from there. I know I asked you before the day ended, but knowing he didn't make that mistake when saying he thinks they are on the same team, does it change your perception of him?

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:RIP Sig.
Wow, this sucks. I was really hoping this day ended better. Sorry, I should have trusted my initial gut.

Epi, a big part of your suspicion of Simon was based on the fact that when you asked him if he was on Sig's team, he said he thought so. You interpreted that as him forgetting he wasn't supposed to say who his team was, and then it all snowballed from there. I know I asked you before the day ended, but knowing he didn't make that mistake when saying he thinks they are on the same team, does it change your perception of him?

I don't know that Simon didn't make that mistake (the mistake being that he's on a team but didn't look up who his teammates were when he responded).

Matt wrote:FZ, since you're here...

You find it suspicious that I did not vote for sig or simon, is that correct?

Well here's the thing. I don't trust Epi. In fact, Epi hasn't addressed me all game. I've even asked him a question that he blatantly ignored.

Either...

a) He doesn't want to socialize with me whatsoever. I find this possible but unlikely.

b) If he is bad and lynched later in the game, I'm someone his teamies (or townies even) can say "Hey look Epi didn't have any interaction with Matt whatsoever"

Therefore his suspish of Simon is kinda...eh.

Linki - FZ, Daisy, I have to go to work in like 15 min, and I don't have time to make a case. But I'll make a case for ya all when I get home tonight, assuming the baddies don't kill a certain cute, little, innocent Pikmin such as myself while I'm away.

As for sig, this dude gets mislynched in every effin' game I play with him. In fact, I'm going to make it policy from here on out to never vote for this guy unless I have info on him. It's ludicrous how many times I've seen him lynched as civ for the stupidest reasons.

But yeah, if Epi is right and Simon is bad, let's get Glorfindel next.

Or maybe even Daisy. She's catching my eye now.

Matt wrote:b) If he is bad and lynched later in the game, I'm someone his teamies (or townies even) can say "Hey look Epi didn't have any interaction with Matt whatsoever"

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:RIP Sig.
Wow, this sucks. I was really hoping this day ended better. Sorry, I should have trusted my initial gut.

Epi, a big part of your suspicion of Simon was based on the fact that when you asked him if he was on Sig's team, he said he thought so. You interpreted that as him forgetting he wasn't supposed to say who his team was, and then it all snowballed from there. I know I asked you before the day ended, but knowing he didn't make that mistake when saying he thinks they are on the same team, does it change your perception of him?

I don't know that Simon didn't make that mistake (the mistake being that he's on a team but didn't look up who his teammates were when he responded).

Epignosis wrote:

Matt wrote:b) If he is bad and lynched later in the game, I'm someone his teamies (or townies even) can say "Hey look Epi didn't have any interaction with Matt whatsoever"

It amazes me how your mind works. Here's a list of people I don't have any on-topic interactions with:

agleaminranks
Boomslang
Enrique
Glorfindel
kneel4justice
Matt
Soneji

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Also I'm feeling kind of uneasy about Epi, for all the accusations he made (Sig and Simon) while not jumping on the respective wagons on day 1. It looks opportunistic. That post where I explained the possibilities about Epi and Simon's alignments still points out to him being civ, though.

I also read MM's post about Epi, but I don't really agree with the particular points. A lot of them are based on the possibility of Sig being bad, and a lot of them are circular assumptions. Sorry, but if Epi is bad, it's not supposed to be that obvious.

linki: So Epi, do you still think Simon is bad?

FZ. wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:RIP Sig.
Wow, this sucks. I was really hoping this day ended better. Sorry, I should have trusted my initial gut.

Epi, a big part of your suspicion of Simon was based on the fact that when you asked him if he was on Sig's team, he said he thought so. You interpreted that as him forgetting he wasn't supposed to say who his team was, and then it all snowballed from there. I know I asked you before the day ended, but knowing he didn't make that mistake when saying he thinks they are on the same team, does it change your perception of him?

I don't know that Simon didn't make that mistake (the mistake being that he's on a team but didn't look up who his teammates were when he responded).

When I read Simon's reply, it looks like maybe he was just meaning the same group as in the good guys, and him thinking both Sig and him were good, while later on he starts doubting it. Why is that not an option in your mind? Or is this more about the behaviour between you two that we're not privy to?