Day 12 ~ 2015 Game of Champions

[Draconus]

Hey 3J: ^^^ This is a boiled down version of the last 10 pages.

[Marmot]

Muh case.

Ur caas

[Marmot]

Somebody's not voted. Whodunit?

[Ricochet]

Somebody's not voted. Whodunit?

HamBoy. Hasn't posted either, I think.

[Draconus]

Da burgermeister

linki

[Marmot]

I'll go BTSC him to show his face. He's checked in there.

[a2thezebra]

[Ricochet]

How many more "linki " must Draco do before he trademarks it? Compared to, like, posting anything significant about the game development.

[Draconus]

How many more "linki " must Draco do before he trademarks it? Compared to, like, posting anything significant about the game development.

TM pending. You're doing just fine keeping chatter up. I already know what I'm going to say for Day 1. Right now I'm just focusing on work while observing the thread.

[Ricochet]

How many more "linki " must Draco do before he trademarks it? Compared to, like, posting anything significant about the game development.

TM pending. You're doing just fine keeping chatter up. I already know what I'm going to say for Day 1. Right now I'm just focusing on work while observing the thread.

Say it now. What's worth waiting 1 hour and a half?

[MacDougall]

Fear not my simple minded allies, I have returned from my slumber.

Ricochet, you have a big meta documenting spreadsheet. I insist that you score every player from 1 to 10 in a big giant list right now.

Golden, the answer to your question is Ricochet.

Now I will pretend to work for the next 8.5 hours.

[MacDougall]

P.S: Please include dot points of pros and cons for each player.

[Ricochet]

1 to 10 on what criteria?

Also, I never documented meta on anyone. I tried to, in preparation for this game, but stopped at E.

[MacDougall]

So that's 2 (I think, may have missed another) folks who have said they were one of the roles named in the prior game. Perhaps the game roles are the roles that people had in the game in which they won? Not necessarily the same powers/alignments (I'm still not necessarily thinking these are the same) but the same role names? Can anyone else say if they were one of the roles in this poll?

Wouldn't you know the answer to this Lorab? Are you a role that you have been before?

How would I know that? No, I'm not the same role. Nor am I suggesting that everyone (or really anyone) is the same role--just that roles that folks had previously with which they won are the roles in this game. Are you being purposely dense in misunderstanding me in order to paint the ideas I throw out as nefarious? Or are you just saying that you are a role that you had before?

Sorry what? You postulated that the game roles are the roles that people had in the game in which they won. I thought you meant that people literally were those roles. Be clearer about what you mean if you don't want to be misconstrued.

I think I was clear, dispite your misreading of what I said.

Lorab is my number 2 suspect. She is too comfortable.

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I'm not even sure what that means.

Lorab is my number 2 suspect. She is too comfortable.

I should clarify on this. A lot of people are saying "yep, she's like her, sounding like her, doing her twirly thing."

She cracks under pressure.

So somebody apply pressure. Now.

I do? I guess I get annoyed by repeated suspicions. But please, apply pressure. Eye me all you want. Ask me to twirl. All that. I have nothing to hide.

So that's 2 (I think, may have missed another) folks who have said they were one of the roles named in the prior game. Perhaps the game roles are the roles that people had in the game in which they won? Not necessarily the same powers/alignments (I'm still not necessarily thinking these are the same) but the same role names? Can anyone else say if they were one of the roles in this poll?

In case you really don't remember the Champies mechanics in previous years (which I doubt, but whatever), then it is near certain the roles (characters) in this game are a mashup of roles (characters) that appeared in the games played throughout 2015.

Just like you, I don't believe that means every role will necessarily have exactly the same power they were designed with in their original game. I'm less sure about alignments, because I don't remember roles being converted to an opposite alignment compared to their original one in previous Champies. Then again, it all depends on how wicked our Hosts this year can be in design- oh wait so that's like 200% possible. Heh.

One other thing you asked above and I want to answer to is that the roles imported in this game are not necessarily the roles with which players have won in previous game. For instance, Ezekiel, Xander Crews and Watari were civilian roles in games in which the civilians did not win. So while we are champions fighting it off based on having won games, the roles don't necessarily follow the same rule.

As I said earlier, I don't think I've played a champs game before so I don't know how they have worked. That said, I don't think that there is one set way that they are all set up. I actually know there is not. When I hosted the champ game on piano (which was, I believe, the first champions game in this circle of mafia) the theme was cupcakes and the roles were literally kinds of cupcakes. So, no, I don't know how every champions game works. Hence my speculating.

Ah, ok. And no worries, I figured out who you are already.

I don't remember a theory on "all the roles in the game originally being from players who played the game", I remember one on all the roles in the game originally being winning roles. I agree about the theory (or both, in fact) being flawed. It should normally be just "roles that comes from games played before throughout the year", simple as that. Everyone can check Champies 2013 and 2014, if they're unfamiliar with this mashup format.

It was more speculation than theory. And seems to have not worked out as I thought it might. But I do appreciate the clarification and insight about other games.

So that's 2 (I think, may have missed another) folks who have said they were one of the roles named in the prior game. Perhaps the game roles are the roles that people had in the game in which they won? Not necessarily the same powers/alignments (I'm still not necessarily thinking these are the same) but the same role names? Can anyone else say if they were one of the roles in this poll?

Wouldn't you know the answer to this Lorab? Are you a role that you have been before?

What is LoRab supposed to know the answer to? Maybe she was given a role from a game in which she didn't even play.

I wasn't given a role I've been before, that's not how Champies work. Were YOU given a role that you have been before?

Can someone else please tell me whether they also read what Lorab said the way I did the first time. Because if so, I'm going to assume Ricochet is faking a reason to make this post and didn't actually bother trying to understand why I made the post I made (which I've already explained but for the benefit of our post first understand later friend Ricochet)...

"Perhaps the game roles are the roles that people had in the game in which they won."

At first glance to me this reads like Lorab postulating that players may have roles they've had before, in which case she would know by virtue of having one, right. Seeing as though she meant otherwise I'd encourage her to be clearer with her points so that we don't spend multiple posts dwelling on a complete misread of a point. A simple change such as "Perhaps the game roles in this game are made up of roles from winning teams" would have been a clearer and just as succinct way of saying what she evidently meant to say. I don't think my misunderstanding is illogical based on the literal words she used so for you to question me over it is odd.

I don't actually need your writing advice, or your advice on how to post in mafia, but thanks. I actually think the sentence that you wrote is less clear than mine. And I've been playing this game long enough to know how to say things.

You post however you like Lorab, but if I ... a native speaker of English who got A's in the 6th grade in English see a different meaning in your posts you probably should take it into advice. But you do you.

[MacDougall]

1 to 10 on what criteria?

Also, I never documented meta on anyone. I tried to, in preparation for this game, but stopped at E.

1 being scum by virtue of inconsistency - 5 being civilian - 10 being scum by virtue of manipulation.

[Draconus]

How many more "linki " must Draco do before he trademarks it? Compared to, like, posting anything significant about the game development.

TM pending. You're doing just fine keeping chatter up. I already know what I'm going to say for Day 1. Right now I'm just focusing on work while observing the thread.

Say it now. What's worth waiting 1 hour and a half?

I didn't want to distract from current discussion
Also, I just want to save it for my vote post.

Linki: That's quite the quote for 2 sentences

[Ricochet]

1 to 10 on what criteria?

Also, I never documented meta on anyone. I tried to, in preparation for this game, but stopped at E.

1 being scum by virtue of inconsistency - 5 being civilian - 10 being scum by virtue of manipulation.

I'd rather just flip a coin on everyone and call it.

[MacDougall]

How many more "linki " must Draco do before he trademarks it? Compared to, like, posting anything significant about the game development.

TM pending. You're doing just fine keeping chatter up. I already know what I'm going to say for Day 1. Right now I'm just focusing on work while observing the thread.

Say it now. What's worth waiting 1 hour and a half?

I didn't want to distract from current discussion
Also, I just want to save it for my vote post.

Linki: That's quite the quote for 2 sentences

Okay tell me now, is snipping posts bad etiquette or not. I'll happily just snip the fuck out of everything to make our thread look prettier.

[Ricochet]

Snipping is allowed, if you're a baddie.

[a2thezebra]

The coin don't have no say. It's just you.

[Ricochet]

Oh I know! Let's do GTHs. Who's up for it?

[Draconus]

How many more "linki " must Draco do before he trademarks it? Compared to, like, posting anything significant about the game development.

TM pending. You're doing just fine keeping chatter up. I already know what I'm going to say for Day 1. Right now I'm just focusing on work while observing the thread.

Say it now. What's worth waiting 1 hour and a half?

I didn't want to distract from current discussion
Also, I just want to save it for my vote post.

Linki: That's quite the quote for 2 sentences

Okay tell me now, is snipping posts bad etiquette or not. I'll happily just snip the fuck out of everything to make our thread look prettier.

Spoiler: show

There's always spoiler tags.

[Draconus]

Well that didn't show up very well. In the tag: "There's always spoiler tags."

[MacDougall]

Alright guys I'm doing it. I'm flipping a coin. First up is Ricochet himself.

Heads he's bad, tails he's good.

...

It's tails.

Fuck it the coin must be broken.

Linki: Spoiler tags look all faded and hard to read for me.

[MacDougall]

Oh I know! Let's do GTHs. Who's up for it?

That seems like a really dumb thing to do on night 0.

[Draconus]

Spoiler: show

Alright guys I'm doing it. I'm flipping a coin. First up is Ricochet himself.

Heads he's bad, tails he's good.

...

It's tails.

Fuck it the coin must be broken.

Linki: Spoiler tags look all faded and hard to read for me.

Quotes look much better in them. Mine was a poor example.

[Ricochet]

Oh I know! Let's do GTHs. Who's up for it?

That seems like a really dumb thing to do on night 0.

Not really. I have four baddies so far, how many do you have?

[MacDougall]

Oh I know! Let's do GTHs. Who's up for it?

That seems like a really dumb thing to do on night 0.

Not really. I have four baddies so far, how many do you have?

You're amazing.

[Ricochet]

THM's Dusk 0 was 4 pages long. Death Note's Prologue was 7 pages long.

MP must be kicking himself for not hosting this one.

[MacDougall]

The fact that JJJ hasn't contributed to this huge volume of posts is a scum tell. He'll say so himself.

[Golden]

I wonder what the current post count leader will think if I refer to that person solely as "the current post count leader" (or adapt for different ranks in post count as applicable).

Are you referring to Epi's 'Media' theory?

Although does anyone know if a similar role existed in any game in 2015?

I would point out that rico wanted to know why I didn't refer to him by name specifically in some of those posts.

But, at this point, if he is any role like that his mention count is already through the roof.

[Ricochet]

I wonder what the current post count leader will think if I refer to that person solely as "the current post count leader" (or adapt for different ranks in post count as applicable).

Are you referring to Epi's 'Media' theory?

Although does anyone know if a similar role existed in any game in 2015?

I would point out that rico wanted to know why I didn't refer to him by name specifically in some of those posts.

But, at this point, if he is any role like that his mention count is already through the roof.

Are you serious?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The fact that JJJ hasn't contributed to this huge volume of posts is a scum tell. He'll say so himself.

Remember when you reached the point in RYM Mafia where the old Mac was a memory and you started playing a lot less often and even lurked when you did play? Mungbean reached that stage eventually as well.

I think I'm finally there.

[a2thezebra]

I've never been anywhere else, minus the lurking part.

[Golden]

I wonder what the current post count leader will think if I refer to that person solely as "the current post count leader" (or adapt for different ranks in post count as applicable).

Are you referring to Epi's 'Media' theory?

Although does anyone know if a similar role existed in any game in 2015?

I would point out that rico wanted to know why I didn't refer to him by name specifically in some of those posts.

But, at this point, if he is any role like that his mention count is already through the roof.

Are you serious?

Well, I mean, that isn't what you wanted to know per se, but it could have led to me mentioning you more. It would have been an effective prod.

But no, I don't think you are a role from 2013.

I just want to know where JJ's head was at.

[MacDougall]

The fact that JJJ hasn't contributed to this huge volume of posts is a scum tell. He'll say so himself.

Remember when you reached the point in RYM Mafia where the old Mac was a memory and you started playing a lot less often and even lurked when you did play? Mungbean reached that stage eventually as well.

I think I'm finally there.

Yeah I do. I also remember it being specifically influenced by being a civ too many games in a row tbh. Mixing in a scum game is enough to get your juices flowing and while you play you criticise the shit out of all the civilians sucking and know you can do better so when you play civ next time you're all fired up to show all the idiots how to actual play civ but then it's just the same as it ever was.

[MacDougall]

I wonder what the current post count leader will think if I refer to that person solely as "the current post count leader" (or adapt for different ranks in post count as applicable).

Are you referring to Epi's 'Media' theory?

Although does anyone know if a similar role existed in any game in 2015?

I would point out that rico wanted to know why I didn't refer to him by name specifically in some of those posts.

But, at this point, if he is any role like that his mention count is already through the roof.

Are you serious?

Well, I mean, that isn't what you wanted to know per se, but it could have led to me mentioning you more. It would have been an effective prod.

But no, I don't think you are a role from 2013.

I just want to know where JJ's head was at.

Your interaction with Rico here has given me furrowed brow and a mild headache. I don't get what you're saying?

[Ricochet]

Ok, here it goes. The coins have spoken - also can anyone help me gather them from all over my room...?

a2thezebra	CIV
bcornett24	BAD
Bass_the_Clever	CIV
Black Rock	CIV
Boomslang	CIV
DFaraday	CIV
DharmaHelper	CIV
Dom	CIV
Dr.Wilgy	BAD
Draconus	CIV
Elohcin	CIV
Epignosis	BAD
Golden	BAD
Hamburger Boy	CIV
27-post player	CIV
Juliets	CIV
Long Con	CIV
LoRab	CIV
MacDougall	CIV
Matt	CIV
MetalMarsh	CIV
nijuukyugou	BAD
RadicalFuzz	BAD
Ricochet	BAD
sig	BAD
Sorsha	CIV
Spacedaisy	CIV
thellama73	CIV
Timmer	CIV
Tranq	BAD

[Golden]

Zeebs - Yeah I was joking. Kind of. But fair enough. Now I'm interested, though, what are your non PC views?

Rico - So no answer then?

I think we can all agree that Metalmarsh has to go. Ten points to anyone who can tell me why.

Because lynching him on day one is the Syndicate way?

[Ricochet]

I wonder what the current post count leader will think if I refer to that person solely as "the current post count leader" (or adapt for different ranks in post count as applicable).

Are you referring to Epi's 'Media' theory?

Although does anyone know if a similar role existed in any game in 2015?

I would point out that rico wanted to know why I didn't refer to him by name specifically in some of those posts.

But, at this point, if he is any role like that his mention count is already through the roof.

Are you serious?

Well, I mean, that isn't what you wanted to know per se, but it could have led to me mentioning you more. It would have been an effective prod.

But no, I don't think you are a role from 2013.

I just want to know where JJ's head was at.

How is me complaining about you saying quotes directed at Mac having to do something with me in any way the same thing as me complaining you don't bring me up by name?!!!

[a2thezebra]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay I'm civ! What a relief.

[a2thezebra]

I was afraid I was going to have to defend myself against a COIN.

[Ricochet]

Ok, I have changed my mind completely about who is bad.

Except b24. Apparently he checks out.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Yeah Golden, I was exploring the "Media" angle.

Also a possibility, Mac. I dunno if I'd be more inspired right now as a bad guy, but I'd probably feel a stronger sense of obligation. I've towned my arse off so many times that I think I've earned a break -- even if that means I am just occupying space and kind of being the thing I once criticized.

[a2thezebra]

Own it.

[Golden]

"Your interpretation of LoRab's theory wasn't right, but it was reasonable."

Pretty hollow contribution to this subject.

No. You, me and Mac all came out of LoRab's posts with different interpretations. The difference being, you have treated both Mac and my theories as simply 'wrong' and in Mac's case, dismissed clear points and reasonable questions just because you decided your interpretation was right.

The one thing Mac made very clear from the second he interpreted LoRab's post was that he himself did not have a role he had before, so how you could twist that into him claiming he had a role he had before, and say he was losing his green lustre because (why? Hasn't Mac only won the one game? So under that theory, wouldn't it HAVE to be Idaho?)

To me it feels like you are just throwing nonsense out there to see what sticks.

Is that a suspicion, or a belief that it's a Civ strategy? I agree, but I haven't decided yet which. What will his behaviour achieve?

I definitely suspect rico, and think it likely my day one vote will go there.

As for what it will achieve - beyond wifom, I really have no clue.

[Ricochet]

I've said it to Epig before, I'll say it again - post count or mention count doesn't have to do with anything.

[Golden]

I wonder what the current post count leader will think if I refer to that person solely as "the current post count leader" (or adapt for different ranks in post count as applicable).

Are you referring to Epi's 'Media' theory?

Although does anyone know if a similar role existed in any game in 2015?

I would point out that rico wanted to know why I didn't refer to him by name specifically in some of those posts.

But, at this point, if he is any role like that his mention count is already through the roof.

Are you serious?

Well, I mean, that isn't what you wanted to know per se, but it could have led to me mentioning you more. It would have been an effective prod.

But no, I don't think you are a role from 2013.

I just want to know where JJ's head was at.

Your interaction with Rico here has given me furrowed brow and a mild headache. I don't get what you're saying?

Did you look up the role of Media that Epi pointed out?

[Ricochet]

I wonder what the current post count leader will think if I refer to that person solely as "the current post count leader" (or adapt for different ranks in post count as applicable).

Are you referring to Epi's 'Media' theory?

Although does anyone know if a similar role existed in any game in 2015?

I would point out that rico wanted to know why I didn't refer to him by name specifically in some of those posts.

But, at this point, if he is any role like that his mention count is already through the roof.

Are you serious?

Well, I mean, that isn't what you wanted to know per se, but it could have led to me mentioning you more. It would have been an effective prod.

But no, I don't think you are a role from 2013.

I just want to know where JJ's head was at.

Your interaction with Rico here has given me furrowed brow and a mild headache. I don't get what you're saying?

Did you look up the role of Media that Epi pointed out?

You have just said I can't possible be linked to a 2013 role! Can you stay consistent for like one post in this game, hombre?

[Golden]

Yeah Golden, I was exploring the "Media" angle.

Also a possibility, Mac. I dunno if I'd be more inspired right now as a bad guy, but I'd probably feel a stronger sense of obligation. I've towned my arse off so many times that I think I've earned a break -- even if that means I am just occupying space and kind of being the thing I once criticized.

Hey, JJ, soon you will be ready to embrace survival win cons join the dark side!

Truth be told, though, as a civilian I find it greatly ups my enjoyment of the game to mix up my style from supatown to less supatown, because it 1) makes me less stressed as a civilian, since I can generally choose my pace (although not always, as Star Wars demonstrated because I constantly got called out for lack of content despite declaring that intent) and 2) makes me less stressed as a baddie, because I can also choose any pace and point out that pace isn't a meta-indicator and 3) I think, actually makes me more adaptable to different types of game and win con.

linki @Rico - I am perfectly consistent. Mac wants to understand what I was talking about. To do that, he has to read that role. He shouldn't have to be in the dark about what I meant just because I don't believe you are THAT role.

By the way, I also asked anyone else if they were aware of similar roles in 2015, yeah?