The Syndicate

Ricochet wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I do think looking at Epignosis is a great place to start for finding Higuchi, but personally I'm not convinced yet that Higuchi has even got his Death Note. If Mata or FZ passed a Death Note to Higuchi, we will become aware of it very soon through the phone call, but it hasn't happened yet, so Higuchi hunting might still be a bit premature. That said, I'm not sure which Kira would be the best to specifically look for today, other than Mikami, who's always a good bet to die. [snip]

I thought you thought FZ. was detective.

Ricochet wrote:What do you think of my idea that Mata could potentially be Higuchi?

Ricochet wrote:linki: huh? Where does it say Light can accept the Eye Deal?

Ricochet wrote:Anyway, I also think one of them, at least, took the Eye Deal. If MM is Ryuk, he also hinted in his shout-out to Mikami yesterday that "he" (read: they) knows who he is, so they probably found him in one of their kill checks, and today, that L is next.

Turnip Head wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Anyway, I also think one of them, at least, took the Eye Deal. If MM is Ryuk, he also hinted in his shout-out to Mikami yesterday that "he" (read: they) knows who he is, so they probably found him in one of their kill checks, and today, that L is next.

Why do you think L is next?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Also.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:And also.

Mikami gains BTSC with Takada only once he has started killing. If Takada is deceased at that time, Mikami will not be able to contact anyone, but god (Light) will be made aware of his true identity.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Mikami gains BTSC with Takada only once he has started killing. If Takada is deceased at that time, Mikami will not be able to contact anyone, but god (Light) will be made aware of his true identity.

Ricochet wrote:I'm conflicted about FZ. post-lynch, because I said L's report afterwards would be most relevant and now he'll either be killed before submitting one or will have to be really insinuative about a DN transfer (he didn't exactly put the information out there, in case Matahari is Misa, which makes me believe he can only hint at it) if he can still get a message through in time. Of course there's still the survey on Higuchi we might get (for Namikawa's phone call) to point out if Light let go of his DN and Higuchi has it now. If none of this happens or is clear, I think it's possible FZ. is actually what she claims to be.

Ricochet wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Mikami gains BTSC with Takada only once he has started killing. If Takada is deceased at that time, Mikami will not be able to contact anyone, but god (Light) will be made aware of his true identity.

This is getting humiliating for me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Mikami gains BTSC with Takada only once he has started killing. If Takada is deceased at that time, Mikami will not be able to contact anyone, but god (Light) will be made aware of his true identity.

This is getting humiliating for me.

This is only relevant if Mikami starts killing, fyi.

Turnip Head wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I'm conflicted about FZ. post-lynch, because I said L's report afterwards would be most relevant and now he'll either be killed before submitting one or will have to be really insinuative about a DN transfer (he didn't exactly put the information out there, in case Matahari is Misa, which makes me believe he can only hint at it) if he can still get a message through in time. Of course there's still the survey on Higuchi we might get (for Namikawa's phone call) to point out if Light let go of his DN and Higuchi has it now. If none of this happens or is clear, I think it's possible FZ. is actually what she claims to be.

Rico, does this mean that you're still operating under the belief that FZ is Light until we're told otherwise from either L or from Namikawa's phone call?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hey TH, why did you vote FZ yesterday if you didn't think we should lynch her?

Turnip Head wrote:You didn't answer my question. What is your current opinion of FZ's role?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Who do you think llama is if you don't think he's Higuchi?

Turnip Head wrote:So you're saying you don't have an opinion one way or another about FZ right now?

Ricochet wrote:FZ., why do you find DP genuine? His D7 vote was "I'm going where all the most votes are going". His D8 was "I'm voting with Mata because I agree with her voters". His D9 vote was "I'm going with Bass even if it's currently pointless".

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

Ricochet wrote:FZ., why do you find DP genuine? His D7 vote was "I'm going where all the most votes are going". His D8 was "I'm voting with Mata because I agree with her voters". His D9 vote was "I'm going with Bass even if it's currently pointless".

So you're criticizing my D9 vote for not doing the same thing as my previous 2 votes which you are also criticizing?

zeek wrote:Caught up. I am satisfied with FZ given the lynch fail and would like to move on. (Any ideas how long we should wait to lynch Mata now we're in another day period?)

I'm interested in reviewing BR, Bass and boo. And back to work I go

zeek wrote:Caught up. I am satisfied with FZ given the lynch fail and would like to move on. (Any ideas how long we should wait to lynch Mata now we're in another day period?)

I'm interested in reviewing BR, Bass and boo. And back to work I go

Ricochet wrote:EBWOP: By lynched, I obviously mean just that she was the lynch target.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Ricochet wrote:EBWOP: By lynched, I obviously mean just that she was the lynch target.

She would have had to give up her note in order not to be lynched, the subsequent three lynch periods being Day 8 Day 9 and Day 10.

Ricochet wrote:MP: if Misa relinquishes her DN on the Day she is also voted to be lynched, is that Day the first of the three Days in which she is unlynchable?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:Can I just say that I love you TH (but if you turn out bad, I'm never trusting you again).

May I ask you abput your feeigs on me FZ?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Also.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:And also.

FZ. wrote:MM, seriously, what are you trying to do other than keep your win conditions?

Ricochet wrote:Well I just had to give my Speaking proficiency test on topics with 0% accuracy of fucks given such as helping strangers, unpaid community work and trees. Yes, TREES. I was so close to answer that I don't care and I'd rather be at home playing Mafia right now.

RIP Watari old man. Not a good situation right now.

FZ., I am constantly trying to rely on the "extra" stuff, but I'll admit I may not be doing a very good job at it. I usually get deterred by the various levels of uncertainty in what I can deduce rather than going with it no matter how uncertain it can be. If TH, for instance, will prove to have been genuine in his help and level of deductions, that he's been kicking ass in this game - but if the contrary, he's just been very "informed".

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:llama, why do you think TH has been unhelpful? Are you thinking of something specific or just overall? It seems to me he's been very helpful.

I think the unlynchable Shinigami are playing for their own amusement and own motives. He's not interested in helping us, he's interested in helping himself. This has been the case all throughout the game, but you see it most recently in his pointless antagonism of me, which I presume he is doing just because he finds it funny, or he wants me dead because I am annoying to him. You saw that when he demanded I name suspects (which as I pointed out, proves nothing) and then voted for me because I didn't play along. I don't think any of it has to do with actually interest in catching Kira.

Ricochet wrote:SPOILERS FOR EVERYONE ELSE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE SHOW

FZ., the first is L, in a clip from the episode (and the day) in which he died. That is an anime-only foreshadowing scene in which he has one last conversation with Light (and cleans his feet for some bloody reason - hey Epig, did you ever feel this scene had idk weird biblical connotations). The second is Yagami Light, just laughing like a maniac (don't remember the scene, episode).

FZ. wrote:I'm asking because aren't the detectives supposed to get rid of all Kiras and Kira supporters? How can we get rid of Hyuk? Or is he none of the above?

Ricochet wrote:I'm conflicted about FZ. post-lynch, because I said L's report afterwards would be most relevant and now he'll either be killed before submitting one or will have to be really insinuative about a DN transfer (he didn't exactly put the information out there, in case Matahari is Misa, which makes me believe he can only hint at it) if he can still get a message through in time. Of course there's still the survey on Higuchi we might get (for Namikawa's phone call) to point out if Light let go of his DN and Higuchi has it now. If none of this happens or is clear, I think it's possible FZ. is actually what she claims to be. (Unlike Epig, FZ., I will probably offer some post-game apologies if you prove to be a detective, because the whole thing will prove once and for all how much I suck at trusting player's genuine civ claims, judging by this game and Film ).

I'm not sure about her connection with Boomslang's kill either, wasn't our understanding of Kira's kills that he still has to schedule them during the Night, even if he delays them until later during the next Day? I get that she could still have been aware of this kill, if she's part of Team Light, but in that case, like TH said, I see no reason or positive outcome for her to comment openly about this right before it happened.

FZ., why do you find DP genuine? His D7 vote was "I'm going where all the most votes are going". His D8 was "I'm voting with Mata because I agree with her voters". His D9 vote was "I'm going with Bass even if it's currently pointless".

Also, I forgot to post earlier, but: you said you don't give a shit about the theme and it's too complicated to follow and that doesn't make you a baddie (when Epig criticized you), but are critical of me apparently not relying enoough on the "extra" stuff?

Not sure about Llama, even though he said he could come with many good options, then just circled back to FZ. and TH (+ Epig). I wouldn't be surprised for him to be a detective with a vision the length of Laerdal Tunnel.

Also, even though I get how Epig would be most suspicious for his gameplay, I don't know how I feel about throwing in so many new and unverified names for Higuchi, when context points at Mata being either him or Misa. I find that a better statistical likelihood compared to normal gameplay interpretations. Then again, I seem to be the only one so far believing that, so give me more insight on why Epig would really stick out as an obvious Higuchi, because when the time comes for the detectives to answer the survey for Namikawa's call, it'd be definitely a good idea not to spread our votes much.

Turnip Head wrote:Rico is the person I'm most convinced is a baddie at the moment, but I don't think he's someone that we need to lynch today.

And omg FZ don't give then any ideas on how to frame you

FZ. wrote: Is it possible in any way to frame me with the DN passing hands? Could they do it just to make L think it passed, or with all the unlynchable lynches, is it impossible?

Turnip Head wrote:I think we still need to lynch Light before Higuchi becomes vulnerable, but that won't be confirmed until the end of this lynch at the earliest and the end of tomorrow's lynch at the latest, because that's when Namikawa's call will take place if Mata or FZ passed the Death Note to Higuchi. If we don't get the call soon, Higuchi still can't be lynched, meaning Light is still killing. MM made it seem like his team was responsible for the Boomslang kill and that they plan to kill L soon, so I believe they still have the Death Note.

Since I'm willing to wait on Namikawa's call for confirmation about the Death Note, the role I'm most interested in lynching today is Mikami, and Bass is still my top suspect for that role. I want to find other suspects for this role too because I'm not fully convinced about Bass yet.

But as I said, I believe Light is still killing, so I'm in the process of gathering suspects for this role still.

Ricochet wrote:You had a problem with me saying basically the same thing.