The Syndicate

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:21 am I still think it's nook because I don't think nook is mafia but he's not acting like town nook at all. He hasn't picked any hills to die on and he seems completely apathetic about the game, as though he's trying to mimic the slankiness of his town self but without the core of genuine caring about the game underneath which is why he doesn't have those "nah X is just town, get off them, idc what you do as long as you don't vote X" moments.

So if nook isn't town and nook isn't mafia then it stands to reason nook is the poisoner. Him dropping off in activity to avoid being shot for his D1 nutella push makes sense, him being generally UTR as 3P makes sense. The pieces fit.

We've been murdering mafia lol

Do you think there's a real need for me to not be on autopilot? I haven't really tbh, I played a good bit d1, I didn't really have to fight to get traction on nutella and that flipped red, I pushed back on a brief attempt to clear owner when she was outed d2 but didn't really need to fight any meaningful battles there...like, sure, I haven't really died on any hills, I haven't really needed to. I'm not gonna find one just for the sake of it.

I did drop off a bit in activity post d1, but I still have like the sixth most posts in the game so let's not pretend I've been hard-core slanking here lol

Meh I can confirm myself later idk why I'm bothering lol

Keep me as poisoner poe thats fine

Maybe if we all claim poisoner the real poisoner will out themselves by being afraid to.

I am the poisoner.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:07 am Maybe if we all claim poisoner the real poisoner will out themselves by being afraid to.

I am the poisoner.

Poisoner is definitely from synd.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:07 am Maybe if we all claim poisoner the real poisoner will out themselves by being afraid to.

I am the poisoner.

Poisoner is definitely from synd.

caught the poisoner

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:12 am

lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:07 am Maybe if we all claim poisoner the real poisoner will out themselves by being afraid to.

I am the poisoner.

Poisoner is definitely from synd.

caught the poisoner

lol nah, bad bunny and long con poisoning would not have been done by perc people.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:12 am

lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:07 am Maybe if we all claim poisoner the real poisoner will out themselves by being afraid to.

I am the poisoner.

Poisoner is definitely from synd.

caught the poisoner

lol nah, bad bunny and long con poisoning would not have been done by perc people.

I tend to agree but still.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:23 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:57 pm Poor orangecrush. Her friend Sonny had to bail on a blind date, and asked her to fill in his place. But when she arrived, her date had flaked completely! She was left all alone in the Citrus Tavern, sipping a pomegranate painkiller in the corner...

@orangecrush has died. She was a...

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Mafia Roleblocker

Day 4 continues. You may now post again.

Reminder that anyone voting for orangecrush in the final poll tally will have their vote counted as an Unvote.

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@Actvscenei @Alison @Allcrab @bad bunny @Garden Gnome @Guillotine @JaggedJimmyJay @lost monkey @MacDougall @Made @MartinGG99 @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Sloonei @Seanzie @Tangrowth

ooh nice was that sloonei

idk about longcon but yeah anyone from perC would know ill get lynched anyway lmao

Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:19 pm act>martin>mac>seanzie

I think this is where I'm at I think in order of how strongly I feel about it.

i can sheep this, seanzie is last anyway although id be a bit iffy about him

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:13 pm I can see arguments for Martin or Allcrab shots. I trust your own judgment on those options, Sloonei. Between them I take out the crab first.

I comfortably prefer OC followed by Act over both.

its hard to see you as town

"id shoot crab not the person who is in most peoples PoE"

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:05 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:40 pm My preference is still to shoot @orangecrush. What is the argument for guillotine?

No. Shoot me. Cause that will give me the thread clout that i need to bury Seanzie once and for all.

This is the thing. Seanzie has scumtold on numerous occasions and he is trying to take advantage to push a “lynch all liars” agenda yo get me yeeted, why? Because he is trying to bait the other mason out. Similar to what Mac tried to do.
Check this out, as soon as i claimed Mason he said something about my mason partner not being Mason but a scum teammate.

If he manages to convince you guys to yeet me then my partner will have to claim before they deem necessary and by then Scum!Seanzie will drive the narrative that my mason partner gotta be scum because if he was the real one he would have claimed with me today, when he considered it was optimal. Tell me Seanzie if i was not right after game.

Scum is trying to bait the other mason out so they can night kill us both tonight, one with the factional and one with the poison.

@Sloonei you can shoot me but i guarantee you will die, but i promise we'll win this because we'll figure who the deep wolf and the rest of the team by associations.
Just promise me that if you dont shoot me, you will have my back cause scum would be happy for you to die shooting someone else, then yeeting me, then night killing whoever you cleared.

I also propose that if you die to your desperado, we yeet Bad Bunny, negating a mischop scum needs. Bad Bunny will die anyways to poison so if we merge both the yeet and the poison into one dead, no other player has to die. The key is negating as many town day falls as we can.

wow even as im dying of poison people want me lynched xD

[VOTE: actv] aubergine

bad bunny wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:03 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:13 pm I can see arguments for Martin or Allcrab shots. I trust your own judgment on those options, Sloonei. Between them I take out the crab first.

I comfortably prefer OC followed by Act over both.

its hard to see you as town

"id shoot crab not the person who is in most peoples PoE"

yet the second sentence has the wolf that got shot as his top kek

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:46 am

lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:12 am

lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:07 am Maybe if we all claim poisoner the real poisoner will out themselves by being afraid to.

I am the poisoner.

Poisoner is definitely from synd.

caught the poisoner

lol nah, bad bunny and long con poisoning would not have been done by perc people.

I tend to agree but still.

except for guillo lol

Lol not scum.

If I was going to bus two teammates, I’d try harder to be a better deepwolf.

I don’t know who to vote for right now, which I recognize will only strengthen your scum reads on me. But

Do we know for a fact there are two of each role? Is that solidly confirmed anywhere?

I doubt Allcrab’s claim. And I also doubt Martin’s claim. Jay said we can’t entertain them as scum buddies, why not? @JaggedJimmyJay?

@Guillotine, you never answered my questions about your claim. Why not? If you missed it, I asked why you decided to claim when you did.

Actually

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

Hawk also felt strongly that gnome was scum. I think we should consider that.

@Made, why are people voting for you?

I don’t like the claims because both are safe. Martin claimed healer when obviously there would be a healer. Two town healers doesn’t make sense, and I recognize red herring roles apparently exist, but still...I don’t feel good about Martin’s claim.

Allcrab claimed the exact role as LoMo which is safe. He can just parrot whatever LoMo said. Allcrab claimed same role then switched to unlimited. How many red herring roles would a game have before the game could become unbalanced? I honestly don’t know mech, but I just feel like this is a stretch. I do not think we have two watchers.

@Guillotine, what do you think of Allcrab and Martin?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:07 am Maybe if we all claim poisoner the real poisoner will out themselves by being afraid to.

I am the poisoner.

I too am the poisoner.

Mac has contributed to enough scum deaths that I am comfortable leaving him be. If he's bussing just let him continue, why don't you?

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:20 am I don’t like the claims because both are safe. Martin claimed healer when obviously there would be a healer. Two town healers doesn’t make sense, and I recognize red herring roles apparently exist, but still...I don’t feel good about Martin’s claim.

Allcrab claimed the exact role as LoMo which is safe. He can just parrot whatever LoMo said. Allcrab claimed same role then switched to unlimited. How many red herring roles would a game have before the game could become unbalanced? I honestly don’t know mech, but I just feel like this is a stretch. I do not think we have two watchers.

@Guillotine, what do you think of Allcrab and Martin?

I'm going to work. Will be back early this afternoon to discuss this further!

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:04 am Mac has contributed to enough scum deaths that I am comfortable leaving him be. If he's bussing just let him continue, why don't you?

I will bus them all until I only have myself left to bus and then I will stop.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:17 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:20 am I don’t like the claims because both are safe. Martin claimed healer when obviously there would be a healer. Two town healers doesn’t make sense, and I recognize red herring roles apparently exist, but still...I don’t feel good about Martin’s claim.

Allcrab claimed the exact role as LoMo which is safe. He can just parrot whatever LoMo said. Allcrab claimed same role then switched to unlimited. How many red herring roles would a game have before the game could become unbalanced? I honestly don’t know mech, but I just feel like this is a stretch. I do not think we have two watchers.

@Guillotine, what do you think of Allcrab and Martin?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:04 am Mac has contributed to enough scum deaths that I am comfortable leaving him be. If he's bussing just let him continue, why don't you?

Who are you talking to btw?

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:30 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:07 am Maybe if we all claim poisoner the real poisoner will out themselves by being afraid to.

I am the poisoner.

I too am the poisoner.

Guys I don't think Gnome is the poisoner.

[VOTE: guillo] aubergine

In a sudden moment of clarity Mac realised that Guillo is bad.

bad bunny wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:03 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:13 pm I can see arguments for Martin or Allcrab shots. I trust your own judgment on those options, Sloonei. Between them I take out the crab first.

I comfortably prefer OC followed by Act over both.

its hard to see you as town

"id shoot crab not the person who is in most peoples PoE"

I don’t understand your translation of my post. I said in that post and repeatedly elsewhere to shoot OC.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:09 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:04 am Mac has contributed to enough scum deaths that I am comfortable leaving him be. If he's bussing just let him continue, why don't you?

Who are you talking to btw?

Seanzie

One simple reason.

Who are his scum reads? Who is he annoying by tunneling wrongly?

Guillo has no conviction in his pushes.

He keeps saying I'm bad but he hasn't tunneled or pushed me.

He keeps saying things like "You know I am town!" but isn't picking up his shovel.

He bad.

@Guillotine dance rummy

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:57 amI doubt Allcrab’s claim. And I also doubt Martin’s claim. Jay said we can’t entertain them as scum buddies, why not? @JaggedJimmyJay?

I didn’t say that. I said I doubt they’re the remaining mafia team. They both seem fine to me at face value. I don’t care about claims.

Jay let me have Guillo and if it's wrong we can go back to robot mafia.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:17 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:57 amI doubt Allcrab’s claim. And I also doubt Martin’s claim. Jay said we can’t entertain them as scum buddies, why not? @JaggedJimmyJay?

I didn’t say that. I said I doubt they’re the remaining mafia team. They both seem fine to me at face value. I don’t care about claims.

Did you like the part where the best act could do was three reads based on mech and one appeal to a dead villager?

I did.

I will pay ppl to vote for Guillo. Who wants some cash?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you’ve said you’re banking on a mafia team of 6 and also that you suspect the poisoner is a mafia role.

These are almost definitely not both true. How do you reconcile?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:19 am Jay let me have Guillo and if it's wrong we can go back to robot mafia.

I am fine with Guillotine as a fallback if super easy mode fails. I don’t see why he’d be the right choice today.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:24 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:19 am Jay let me have Guillo and if it's wrong we can go back to robot mafia.

I am fine with Guillotine as a fallback if super easy mode fails. I don’t see why he’d be the right choice today.

Fun?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:22 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you’ve said you’re banking on a mafia team of 6 and also that you suspect the poisoner is a mafia role.

These are almost definitely not both true. How do you reconcile?

not following

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:24 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:24 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:19 am Jay let me have Guillo and if it's wrong we can go back to robot mafia.

I am fine with Guillotine as a fallback if super easy mode fails. I don’t see why he’d be the right choice today.

Fun?

I am JJJ, Slayer of Fun and Harbinger of Routine.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:28 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:24 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:24 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:19 am Jay let me have Guillo and if it's wrong we can go back to robot mafia.

I am fine with Guillotine as a fallback if super easy mode fails. I don’t see why he’d be the right choice today.

Fun?

I am JJJ, Slayer of Fun and Harbinger of Routine.

*hungry baby pterodactyl noises*

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:25 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:22 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you’ve said you’re banking on a mafia team of 6 and also that you suspect the poisoner is a mafia role.

These are almost definitely not both true. How do you reconcile?

not following

17:6:1 is already difficult to balance. It’s pro-mafia in a vacuum. Giving that team a poisoner with at least three shots, even with two healers destined to collide on one another, is not at all balanced. Town loses that game 9 in 10.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:30 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:25 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:22 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you’ve said you’re banking on a mafia team of 6 and also that you suspect the poisoner is a mafia role.

These are almost definitely not both true. How do you reconcile?

not following

17:6:1 is already difficult to balance. It’s pro-mafia in a vacuum. Giving that team a poisoner with at least three shots, even with two healers destined to collide on one another, is not at all balanced. Town loses that game 9 in 10.

Ur the balance man balance man

I wonder if there is more than one third party?

The OP might as well say an indy exists, at least one. The poisoner has has serial killer consistency and serial killer targets. To me it seems pretty obvious it’s third party.

I kinda get the sense there is

It is easy to look at an ISO or these interaction things that Jay has been doing through an lens and get a confirmation bias. You can pick and choose the details that stand out and pretend like these are objective game observations but it never is with the way language functions.

I began the game suspicious of Dana. Obviously my read was wrong, but I truly believed Dana was scum at the time. I kept my vote there rather than take the opportunity to bus. If I’m going to go hard and bus multiple teammates, why would I stubbornly remain on Dana? Going into D2, I went back to Dana. This clearly draws attention on me and reminds everyone of my stubbornness. Several times I answered to that vote and stubbornness and explained that I don’t follow consensus for the sake of following consensus. That would have set myself up to avoid bussing. I loudly proved I don’t consensus vote, so why would I fall into “opportunity” later? I voted for Owner with my own case against her. Then, I voted Orange and suggested Orange should be the kill. I understand you all think I was bussing, but if I’m going to bus, it’s going to be worth it. If I was going to bus, I’d make sure I was in a position to be hella town read for it to make their deaths worth it. I know I’m not some established mafia expert, but I’m not that awful at the game either. I voted for Owner and Orange because I genuinely suspected them, not because they were an opportunity or a forced bus. At the time I voted for Orange, votes were on Martin. I could have stayed on Martin, Orange was no where near the definite kill at that point and the wagon was splitting up.

Allcrab knows my play style and has correctly read me as town recently in a game in which many people read me as scum. Either his read is crap this game, or he knows better and is attempting to shade a player easily shaded. This means nothing to most of you, but it’s partly why I’m doubting Allcrab’s claim. I don’t like reading people that way, because I think my play does change game to game, but Allcrab has made no effort to question me or engage with me so idk, it’s a nag I can’t shake. Not something I’m sitting here saying “He’s scum!” For it, but it’s a feeling.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:33 am The OP might as well say an indy exists, at least one. The poisoner has has serial killer consistency and serial killer targets. To me it seems pretty obvious it’s third party.

Could the poisoner be 2 ppl though? Isn't dates the theme? What if Guillo's mason claim isn't an outright lie and he and someone else are poisonous lovers or some shit.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:29 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:28 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:24 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:24 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:19 am Jay let me have Guillo and if it's wrong we can go back to robot mafia.

I am fine with Guillotine as a fallback if super easy mode fails. I don’t see why he’d be the right choice today.

Fun?

I am JJJ, Slayer of Fun and Harbinger of Routine.

*hungry baby pterodactyl noises*

Do you know stanari?