The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:17 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:57 amI doubt Allcrab’s claim. And I also doubt Martin’s claim. Jay said we can’t entertain them as scum buddies, why not? @JaggedJimmyJay?

I didn’t say that. I said I doubt they’re the remaining mafia team. They both seem fine to me at face value. I don’t care about claims.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:34 am It is easy to look at an ISO or these interaction things that Jay has been doing through an lens and get a confirmation bias. You can pick and choose the details that stand out and pretend like these are objective game observations but it never is with the way language functions.

I began the game suspicious of Dana. Obviously my read was wrong, but I truly believed Dana was scum at the time. I kept my vote there rather than take the opportunity to bus. If I’m going to go hard and bus multiple teammates, why would I stubbornly remain on Dana? Going into D2, I went back to Dana. This clearly draws attention on me and reminds everyone of my stubbornness. Several times I answered to that vote and stubbornness and explained that I don’t follow consensus for the sake of following consensus. That would have set myself up to avoid bussing. I loudly proved I don’t consensus vote, so why would I fall into “opportunity” later? I voted for Owner with my own case against her. Then, I voted Orange and suggested Orange should be the kill. I understand you all think I was bussing, but if I’m going to bus, it’s going to be worth it. If I was going to bus, I’d make sure I was in a position to be hella town read for it to make their deaths worth it. I know I’m not some established mafia expert, but I’m not that awful at the game either. I voted for Owner and Orange because I genuinely suspected them, not because they were an opportunity or a forced bus. At the time I voted for Orange, votes were on Martin. I could have stayed on Martin, Orange was no where near the definite kill at that point and the wagon was splitting up.

Allcrab knows my play style and has correctly read me as town recently in a game in which many people read me as scum. Either his read is crap this game, or he knows better and is attempting to shade a player easily shaded. This means nothing to most of you, but it’s partly why I’m doubting Allcrab’s claim. I don’t like reading people that way, because I think my play does change game to game, but Allcrab has made no effort to question me or engage with me so idk, it’s a nag I can’t shake. Not something I’m sitting here saying “He’s scum!” For it, but it’s a feeling.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:36 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:17 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:57 amI doubt Allcrab’s claim. And I also doubt Martin’s claim. Jay said we can’t entertain them as scum buddies, why not? @JaggedJimmyJay?

I didn’t say that. I said I doubt they’re the remaining mafia team. They both seem fine to me at face value. I don’t care about claims.

So then I’m confused. You don’t think they are the remaining team, but you think they could be scum buddies?

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:20 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:17 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:57 amI doubt Allcrab’s claim. And I also doubt Martin’s claim. Jay said we can’t entertain them as scum buddies, why not? @JaggedJimmyJay?

I didn’t say that. I said I doubt they’re the remaining mafia team. They both seem fine to me at face value. I don’t care about claims.

Did you like the part where the best act could do was three reads based on mech and one appeal to a dead villager?

I did.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:37 am I appreciate your efforts, Act, truly.

You may have a little slippy poo in that post, but I’ll give that the benefit of the doubt. The Dana argument just falls flat to me. If you do flip town you can be certain Allcrab will be scrutinized.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:38 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:20 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:17 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:57 amI doubt Allcrab’s claim. And I also doubt Martin’s claim. Jay said we can’t entertain them as scum buddies, why not? @JaggedJimmyJay?

I didn’t say that. I said I doubt they’re the remaining mafia team. They both seem fine to me at face value. I don’t care about claims.

Did you like the part where the best act could do was three reads based on mech and one appeal to a dead villager?

I did.

You want to ask me questions or are you just going to sit there shading me? Like what even is this? Lol tell me when I’ve ever given out a full flush of reads? If you want more from me, ask. But don’t sit there shading me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:37 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:36 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:17 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:57 amI doubt Allcrab’s claim. And I also doubt Martin’s claim. Jay said we can’t entertain them as scum buddies, why not? @JaggedJimmyJay?

I didn’t say that. I said I doubt they’re the remaining mafia team. They both seem fine to me at face value. I don’t care about claims.

So then I’m confused. You don’t think they are the remaining team, but you think they could be scum buddies?

Sure. “Could” is a very broad word.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:42 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:38 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:20 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:17 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:57 amI doubt Allcrab’s claim. And I also doubt Martin’s claim. Jay said we can’t entertain them as scum buddies, why not? @JaggedJimmyJay?

I didn’t say that. I said I doubt they’re the remaining mafia team. They both seem fine to me at face value. I don’t care about claims.

Did you like the part where the best act could do was three reads based on mech and one appeal to a dead villager?

I did.

You want to ask me questions or are you just going to sit there shading me? Like what even is this? Lol tell me when I’ve ever given out a full flush of reads? If you want more from me, ask. But don’t sit there shading me.

Ask you what? About the zero thoughts you have?

Everything you're saying relies on mech or just suspecting gnome cuz hawk said so. I'm not expecting paragraphs on anyone cuz I know I'm certainly never gonna do anything like that but you don't seem to have thoughts on anyone that someone who looked at the thread for 5 seconds couldn't make.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:20 am I don’t like the claims because both are safe. Martin claimed healer when obviously there would be a healer. Two town healers doesn’t make sense, and I recognize red herring roles apparently exist, but still...I don’t feel good about Martin’s claim.

Allcrab claimed the exact role as LoMo which is safe. He can just parrot whatever LoMo said. Allcrab claimed same role then switched to unlimited. How many red herring roles would a game have before the game could become unbalanced? I honestly don’t know mech, but I just feel like this is a stretch. I do not think we have two watchers.

@Guillotine, what do you think of Allcrab and Martin?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:47 am Lol Allcrab. Is that like the Odin of crabs?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:47 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:20 am I don’t like the claims because both are safe. Martin claimed healer when obviously there would be a healer. Two town healers doesn’t make sense, and I recognize red herring roles apparently exist, but still...I don’t feel good about Martin’s claim.

Allcrab claimed the exact role as LoMo which is safe. He can just parrot whatever LoMo said. Allcrab claimed same role then switched to unlimited. How many red herring roles would a game have before the game could become unbalanced? I honestly don’t know mech, but I just feel like this is a stretch. I do not think we have two watchers.

@Guillotine, what do you think of Allcrab and Martin?

I dont know anymore, when i saw that Sloonei actually had a desperado shot and i mean that he actually inherited an used desperado shot, that is when i realized that I've been so wrong about my expectations from a normal game here, that i dont have the energy or the will to push hard about my spec theories anymore.

Before the shot i believed that Martin could be the mafia healer and that there was a wolf in LoMo/AllCrab but post second desperado shot, i think anything is possible here plus Alison brought up a good point, if the set up was dualistic like that then mafia would have received fake claims so why not use them, why declare roles that can be counterclaimed, why put themselves out there like that if not true.

If i see one of them flipping red i'd not be surprised however.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:44 am So you do think they could be the remaining scum team?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:49 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:04 am Mac has contributed to enough scum deaths that I am comfortable leaving him be. If he's bussing just let him continue, why don't you?

I will bus them all until I only have myself left to bus and then I will stop.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:45 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:42 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:38 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:20 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:17 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:57 amI doubt Allcrab’s claim. And I also doubt Martin’s claim. Jay said we can’t entertain them as scum buddies, why not? @JaggedJimmyJay?

I didn’t say that. I said I doubt they’re the remaining mafia team. They both seem fine to me at face value. I don’t care about claims.

Did you like the part where the best act could do was three reads based on mech and one appeal to a dead villager?

I did.

You want to ask me questions or are you just going to sit there shading me? Like what even is this? Lol tell me when I’ve ever given out a full flush of reads? If you want more from me, ask. But don’t sit there shading me.

Ask you what? About the zero thoughts you have?

Everything you're saying relies on mech or just suspecting gnome cuz hawk said so. I'm not expecting paragraphs on anyone cuz I know I'm certainly never gonna do anything like that but you don't seem to have thoughts on anyone that someone who looked at the thread for 5 seconds couldn't make.

You’re basing my entire game on my most recent posts?

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:47 am Lol Allcrab. Is that like the Odin of crabs?

You're the first person to actually get that lmao.

Slightly impressed.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:50 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:49 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:04 am Mac has contributed to enough scum deaths that I am comfortable leaving him be. If he's bussing just let him continue, why don't you?

I will bus them all until I only have myself left to bus and then I will stop.

This is a lie, he would'n't.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:50 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:50 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:49 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:04 am Mac has contributed to enough scum deaths that I am comfortable leaving him be. If he's bussing just let him continue, why don't you?

I will bus them all until I only have myself left to bus and then I will stop.

This is a lie, he would'n't.

As in I'd continue to bus and then bus myself?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:53 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:50 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:50 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:49 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:04 am Mac has contributed to enough scum deaths that I am comfortable leaving him be. If he's bussing just let him continue, why don't you?

I will bus them all until I only have myself left to bus and then I will stop.

This is a lie, he would'n't.

As in I'd continue to bus and then bus myself?

Do it. Don’t lose out on all that credit.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:58 am Best Gambit.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:15 am One simple reason.

Who are his scum reads? Who is he annoying by tunneling wrongly?

Guillo has no conviction in his pushes.

He keeps saying I'm bad but he hasn't tunneled or pushed me.

He keeps saying things like "You know I am town!" but isn't picking up his shovel.

He bad.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:11 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:15 am One simple reason.

Who are his scum reads? Who is he annoying by tunneling wrongly?

Guillo has no conviction in his pushes.

He keeps saying I'm bad but he hasn't tunneled or pushed me.

He keeps saying things like "You know I am town!" but isn't picking up his shovel.

He bad.

This is all a lie.

1) No push ive ever made in this game here has lacked conviction.

2) I think you are shady coward, all game that ive been townread by everyone, you didnt have the guts to push me like this but now that you see that my townread has been weakened, now I exist?

3) Looking at Alison's analysis of you, you've been an effective wolf finder and yet here you are, still standing which makes me consider two options.

One: You are the wolf, you bussed Nutella for some good towncred (i didnt want to believe this but you told me that that is not out of your wolf range).

OR

Two: Wolves are simply scared to touch you.

4) I have no interest on tunneling you. You are in your home full of people that knows you, if you are a wolf, the syndicate townies got more chances of figuring you out that out than myself.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:48 am Shit Guillo is back and he's gonna use formatting to convey his displeasure at my recent anti Guillo content nooooo.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:20 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:17 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:57 amI doubt Allcrab’s claim. And I also doubt Martin’s claim. Jay said we can’t entertain them as scum buddies, why not? @JaggedJimmyJay?

I didn’t say that. I said I doubt they’re the remaining mafia team. They both seem fine to me at face value. I don’t care about claims.

Did you like the part where the best act could do was three reads based on mech and one appeal to a dead villager?

I did.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:14 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:20 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:17 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:57 amI doubt Allcrab’s claim. And I also doubt Martin’s claim. Jay said we can’t entertain them as scum buddies, why not? @JaggedJimmyJay?

I didn’t say that. I said I doubt they’re the remaining mafia team. They both seem fine to me at face value. I don’t care about claims.

Did you like the part where the best act could do was three reads based on mech and one appeal to a dead villager?

I did.

One appeal to a dead villager? Who is that dead villager?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:21 am I will pay ppl to vote for Guillo. Who wants some cash?

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:16 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:14 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:20 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:17 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:57 amI doubt Allcrab’s claim. And I also doubt Martin’s claim. Jay said we can’t entertain them as scum buddies, why not? @JaggedJimmyJay?

I didn’t say that. I said I doubt they’re the remaining mafia team. They both seem fine to me at face value. I don’t care about claims.

Did you like the part where the best act could do was three reads based on mech and one appeal to a dead villager?

I did.

One appeal to a dead villager? Who is that dead villager?

Hawk.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:24 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:19 am Jay let me have Guillo and if it's wrong we can go back to robot mafia.

I am fine with Guillotine as a fallback if super easy mode fails. I don’t see why he’d be the right choice today.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:04 am Hawk also felt strongly that gnome was scum. I think we should consider that.

@Made, why are people voting for you?

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:17 am Alright, so here’s my claim:

I am a third party survivor with a 1-shot commuter ability. On night 1, I had to choose between mafia and town to align with. I could only win with whichever side I chose. If I die, I cannot win with any faction. I’m just dead. I aligned myself with town primarily because of mindset. I knew that if I had any chance at survival, I needed to be playing with the mind to eliminate scum (also, scum died D1 so the odds were already moving in a town direction lol). I also commuted that night (N1).

This means there is another reason to consider why there was no N1 kill, although I cannot imagine I would have been the target. It is a possibility however. It does give me pause about the watcher claims though, because I think the idea that the NK was focused on Jay and both watchers watched Jay, and all that just feels a little too coincidentally concentrated when so many other roles are out there.

This is why I didn’t trust Gavial’s claim immediately either because he seemed to readily trust that roleblocking Hawk was an immediate answer and nearly confirmed red check. I knew I commuted and that meant there was another possibility. If there is another role like mine, then maybe someone else commuted too.

I have played relatively low key for the sake of survival trying to be both helpful to town without trying too hard in an effort to balance between avoiding a yeet and avoiding a NK. I can assure you though, I have absolutely played with a townie mindset. It has been in my personal interest for town to win, even though I am 3p.

Good luck, town!

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:23 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:17 am Alright, so here’s my claim:

I am a third party survivor with a 1-shot commuter ability. On night 1, I had to choose between mafia and town to align with. I could only win with whichever side I chose. If I die, I cannot win with any faction. I’m just dead. I aligned myself with town primarily because of mindset. I knew that if I had any chance at survival, I needed to be playing with the mind to eliminate scum (also, scum died D1 so the odds were already moving in a town direction lol). I also commuted that night (N1).

This means there is another reason to consider why there was no N1 kill, although I cannot imagine I would have been the target. It is a possibility however. It does give me pause about the watcher claims though, because I think the idea that the NK was focused on Jay and both watchers watched Jay, and all that just feels a little too coincidentally concentrated when so many other roles are out there.

This is why I didn’t trust Gavial’s claim immediately either because he seemed to readily trust that roleblocking Hawk was an immediate answer and nearly confirmed red check. I knew I commuted and that meant there was another possibility. If there is another role like mine, then maybe someone else commuted too.

I have played relatively low key for the sake of survival trying to be both helpful to town without trying too hard in an effort to balance between avoiding a yeet and avoiding a NK. I can assure you though, I have absolutely played with a townie mindset. It has been in my personal interest for town to win, even though I am 3p.

Good luck, town!

I yeet all non-town claims and you havent been townsiding, you ate voting for a mason now.

You die today.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:23 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:17 am Alright, so here’s my claim:

I am a third party survivor with a 1-shot commuter ability. On night 1, I had to choose between mafia and town to align with. I could only win with whichever side I chose. If I die, I cannot win with any faction. I’m just dead. I aligned myself with town primarily because of mindset. I knew that if I had any chance at survival, I needed to be playing with the mind to eliminate scum (also, scum died D1 so the odds were already moving in a town direction lol). I also commuted that night (N1).

This means there is another reason to consider why there was no N1 kill, although I cannot imagine I would have been the target. It is a possibility however. It does give me pause about the watcher claims though, because I think the idea that the NK was focused on Jay and both watchers watched Jay, and all that just feels a little too coincidentally concentrated when so many other roles are out there.

This is why I didn’t trust Gavial’s claim immediately either because he seemed to readily trust that roleblocking Hawk was an immediate answer and nearly confirmed red check. I knew I commuted and that meant there was another possibility. If there is another role like mine, then maybe someone else commuted too.

I have played relatively low key for the sake of survival trying to be both helpful to town without trying too hard in an effort to balance between avoiding a yeet and avoiding a NK. I can assure you though, I have absolutely played with a townie mindset. It has been in my personal interest for town to win, even though I am 3p.

Good luck, town!

I yeet all non-town claims and you havent been townsiding, you ate voting for a mason now.

You die today.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:24 am Is act claiming poisoner I can't tell?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:25 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:24 am Is act claiming poisoner I can't tell?

No she is claiming benign townsiding 3p that wouldn't hurt a fly.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:19 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:24 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:19 am Jay let me have Guillo and if it's wrong we can go back to robot mafia.

I am fine with Guillotine as a fallback if super easy mode fails. I don’t see why he’d be the right choice today.

Are you fuckin' serious? I am the fallback? I am the mason and i am confirmable by my partner and viceversa lol.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:24 am Is act claiming poisoner I can't tell?

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:26 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:25 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:24 am Is act claiming poisoner I can't tell?

No she is claiming benign townsiding 3p that wouldn't hurt a fly.

Okay lemme put it this way.

Is there any reasonable chance of multiple 3ps?

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:26 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:25 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:24 am Is act claiming poisoner I can't tell?

No she is claiming benign townsiding 3p that wouldn't hurt a fly.

Okay lemme put it this way.

Is there any reasonable chance of multiple 3ps?