The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:28 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:16 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:12 pm With Transfiguration tomorrow would have been a tie, assuming all three voted for DH. Which would force me to end the game with a coinflip. Glad it didn't come to that.
fascinating. had no idea it would come to vote numbers or I'd have used transfiguration lmao. but the amortentia

I actually thought you might use yours on him too and it would be overkill. I didn't realize how critical it was but it was the only think I had that was negative to use on him.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:28 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:23 pm Ok so I believe I have dumped all information you guys might want to know. I'm tired so I'll wait until tomorrow to respond to questions and do game comentary.

Feel free to make praises and criticizes to the game, I don't think there is a perfectly balanced role madness game, but I tried. I will reply to everything tomorrow.

you did an amazing job!!! just looking at the list of night actions I'm stressed out lol, it's really an incredible feat that you handled this game by yourself and sorted everything out.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:30 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:08 pm probably the most annoyed I have ever been following a game as a corpse

I was screaming at my phone when luna was being lynched.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:32 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:25 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:24 pm Oh yeah I also need to explain why the House Cup was shitty but that's a whole big post about it. Later.
I'm guessing it had something to do with me Making and Drinking a potion every night for like 7 nights.

Yes your potions helped but weren't the only reason.

The gist of it is that the point system punished heavily any house who had low activity players, and Gryffindor just didn't have any. Maybe INH but he died early.

Slytherin was gimped at first but after they got replacements they started functioning well.

And for some reason all the players who live in the East (Mac/Quin/Pou) had trouble meeting night post and action requirements, I suspect it had something to do with night start/ends. And they were all in Huffle/Raven.

Also Luna being the cop worked against Raven, because she had an incentive never to pursue the triple ability reward. Also that triple ability reward decided most House Cups. It was just worth too many points.

If I ran this again I'd revamp a lot of things to increase variation. Probably remove the potion award and nerf the triple ability one. And maybe not completely compensate factions who have dead members, so they they are not awarded for losing people.

Also Portrait was a little too OP for my tastes, could use a nerf on that.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:33 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:25 pm Aw so my blocking colin let sloonei die sorry sloon

I fucked up quite a bit in this game but I think that's is the only one that made an actual difference lol

I could have thestral’d that night but I didn’t.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:34 pm**

Ain’t that just the way? Mafia mafia split

Just like megaman I think? Which game was that? Day 1 and we had two mafia wagons

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:34 pm**

I mean I think punishing low activity players is good, it's more a way to incentivize players to be active to get the rewards. But yeah I do think the "use all 3 abilities" was a factor as well since Luna had a good ability she could use every night.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:36 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:28 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:23 pm Ok so I believe I have dumped all information you guys might want to know. I'm tired so I'll wait until tomorrow to respond to questions and do game comentary.

Feel free to make praises and criticizes to the game, I don't think there is a perfectly balanced role madness game, but I tried. I will reply to everything tomorrow.
you did an amazing job!!! just looking at the list of night actions I'm stressed out lol, it's really an incredible feat that you handled this game by yourself and sorted everything out.

I've been through worse. Favorites 4, one of my first games, had 58 players, bigger roles, 24 hour phases and some very poor communication between me and the other host ( [mention]Soneji[/mention] ). After that mayhem, everything feels like a cakewalk. It's just a matter of having a template and being organized.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:38 pm**

I want to know what the deal was with the Quin-speed actions. I assume speed was telling the truth, was Quin? Maybe I missed the answer to that somewhere.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:39 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:38 pm I want to know what the deal was with the Quin-speed actions. I assume speed was telling the truth, was Quin? Maybe I missed the answer to that somewhere.

DDL posted all the night actions in a big spoilered post. I totally forgot to look at those when I skimmed it but I assume something messed them up lol

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:40 pm**

Oh it's because LC diricawled with Quin. So since Quin targeted himself he ended up targeting LC which is what Speed saw.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:40 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:39 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:38 pm I want to know what the deal was with the Quin-speed actions. I assume speed was telling the truth, was Quin? Maybe I missed the answer to that somewhere.
DDL posted all the night actions in a big spoilered post. I totally forgot to look at those when I skimmed it but I assume something messed them up lol

LC tried to save himself by using a Dodo on someone.

But the person he picked (Quin) happened to be the guy DH was trying to kill for a hallow.

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Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:41 pm**

That seems.... obvious in retrospect lmao

Diricawls are so confusing

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:41 pm**

(remember the dodo)

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:42 pm**

Also the failed Day 3 lynch, as you can see, was the punishment I had to give timmer and Glorf for turning the game into a soap opera.

The mafia was demanding something, dunya was working overtime, and I didn't want to modkill them for a rule that didn't actually exist. So I figured out I could at least stop the lynch that had been caused by that madness.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:43 pm**

Thanks nutella and DDL! I must have skimmed right by the spoiler night post.

Oh I see DDL thanks for explaining that.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:48 pm**

rip

gg DH.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:49 pm**

ima make a sweeping declaration for future meta evaluations and also because that was annoying as heck

I don't lie about my night actions. I don't need to.

I'm GenuQuin

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:53 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:08 pm probably the most annoyed I have ever been following a game as a corpse

Sorry

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:56 pm**

Pou uses Imperio on DH to make him target timmer
DH super-kills Luna (redirected to timmer, goes over elixir)

Oh. Yay.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:58 pm**

Ok I should be going to bed but can't help myself.

I don't think the Grindelwald role is OP. Serial killers are notoriously underpowered as fuck. Thing is, I don't like that fact. I believe every player should have equal chance of winning, and no player should enter the game as an underdog. But for that to happen, the SK needs some real protection against night fuckery. He needs some bulletproof, some cop protection, some way to bypass enemy bulletproof. When I make an SK, I add all of those, them add a little twist. The Hallows thing was the twist.

What happened in this game is that DH was really, really, really, really LUCKY. Like, he should be praised for playing the game well, but he still might have lost a few times in a normal game. In this game, all the planets aligned to him.

He kills nova at random N1 and gets the Wand.

Day 2 Soneji, who has the Stone, is lynched. DH decides to kill the person who voted last (juliets) and gets it.

Day 2 he uses Niffler on Ravenclaw and finds the Cloak. Night 2 he uses Accio to nail it down. He has like 5 people to pick from. He uses it on Quin and finds the Cloak for real.

By Day 3, he has two hallows and knows where the last one is. I guess then his luck ran out because he took 3 nights to take Quin down.

He also got investigated twice, Night 1 (by the mafia) and Night 4 (by Luna). Guess which two nights he picked to use Polyjuice? Yeah.

Using an RPG metaphor, DH got a 20 on a d20, then rolled a d100 to see the effect, and got one that says he gets a full barrel of Felix Felicis. In real life.

There are maybe a few little things I could change to improve the setup, but I don't think nerfing the SK would be one of them.

I'll discuss this more tomorrow.

Night.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:00 pm**

I am like, impressed with the host, impressed with DH, sad as fuck that we didn't win. I don't know if I've ever actually got to end game as a civ and lost before, so this emotion is new.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:02 pm**

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] elaborate on your frustration. What did you see that we didn't?

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:05 pm**

Actually I'm probably being a little too hard on myself, lol.

It's just that I have been bottling this game commentary for weeks now so I need to let it out.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:15 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:42 pm Also the failed Day 3 lynch, as you can see, was the punishment I had to give timmer and Glorf for turning the game into a soap opera.

The mafia was demanding something, dunya was working overtime, and I didn't want to modkill them for a rule that didn't actually exist. So I figured out I could at least stop the lynch that had been caused by that madness.

Oh word?

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:20 pm**

DDL I want Hogwarts part 2 set 100 years into the future in a world ravaged by Galen and a new band of students primed to take him ... take him down, take him out. This game was fucking awesome.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:21 pm**

I also really link how poetic it is that I was the last person to die in the story given that I was DH's primary antagonist lol.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:22 pm**

SK role is okay and DH did play well by making people think he's town. That one was not a result of "luck". He's lucky, true, but not fully on that that he won.

Having to wake up to find 1 of my team mate die every cycle was not something I expected. The mess on D3 was the worst. Woke up only to find huge mess on game thread and on maf chat. We're unlucky with Novase too, he's modblocked so we couldn't use his ability, he was never replaced (he's killed already), never received 1 night kill immunity like town subs and he's our doc/invigo maker/hippogriff/elder wand owner. Losing 3 maf limited our actions a lot. Felix and Avada became a must. Had to be 1 Hogwart/1 Dark Art per player. Had to avoid any player that might be protected/jailed or else our kill would fail.

...that Glorf thing I'd rather not...

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:22 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:58 pm Ok I should be going to bed but can't help myself.

I don't think the Grindelwald role is OP. Serial killers are notoriously underpowered as fuck. Thing is, I don't like that fact. I believe every player should have equal chance of winning, and no player should enter the game as an underdog. But for that to happen, the SK needs some real protection against night fuckery. He needs some bulletproof, some cop protection, some way to bypass enemy bulletproof. When I make an SK, I add all of those, them add a little twist. The Hallows thing was the twist.

What happened in this game is that DH was really, really, really, really LUCKY. Like, he should be praised for playing the game well, but he still might have lost a few times in a normal game. In this game, all the planets aligned to him.

He kills nova at random N1 and gets the Wand.

Day 2 Soneji, who has the Stone, is lynched. DH decides to kill the person who voted last (juliets) and gets it.

Day 2 he uses Niffler on Ravenclaw and finds the Cloak. Night 2 he uses Accio to nail it down. He has like 5 people to pick from. He uses it on Quin and finds the Cloak for real.

By Day 3, he has two hallows and knows where the last one is. I guess then his luck ran out because he took 3 nights to take Quin down.

He also got investigated twice, Night 1 (by the mafia) and Night 4 (by Luna). Guess which two nights he picked to use Polyjuice? Yeah.

Using an RPG metaphor, DH got a 20 on a d20, then rolled a d100 to see the effect, and got one that says he gets a full barrel of Felix Felicis. In real life.

There are maybe a few little things I could change to improve the setup, but I don't think nerfing the SK would be one of them.

I'll discuss this more tomorrow.

Night.

I will never be able to replicate a performance like this. I didn't think I'd be able to play this well period.

- Sniped Nova
- Nailed LC
- Nailed Jack (sort of. He said he got no result when he checked me, which tipped me off 4 days later when I thought back on it)
- Sorta got Poutanko although that one goes to the town I figure.

Very lucky breaaks with finding the Hallows/Polyjuicing myself but as far as the hallows goes I just used the mechanics to their fullest (last vote gets the hallow, Niffler, etc).

As an SK, I wanted to do two things: Get civ cred, and fuck up the mafia so I couldn't get Nightkilled. Once I set those goals and worked towards them the game was well within reach.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:23 pm**

Ddl this game was friggin perfect. Screw anyone who's says otherwise. My favorite job on the site thus far.

I didn't realize Quins protective thing would count as a self target, so I was confused.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:23 pm**

Jack remind me to tell you about the scum thing you did that I would have done when I am not on phone

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:23 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:20 pm DDL I want Hogwarts part 2 set 100 years into the future in a world ravaged by Galen and a new band of students primed to take him ... take him down, take him out. This game was fucking awesome.

Ravaged? My friend, as your new Wizard Negan, I'm here to save you all.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:25 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:20 pm DDL I want Hogwarts part 2 set 100 years into the future in a world ravaged by Galen and a new band of students primed to take him ... take him down, take him out. This game was fucking awesome.
Ravaged? My friend, as your new Wizard Negan, I'm here to save you all.

The best kind of villain lol

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:28 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:22 pm I will never be able to replicate a performance like this. I didn't think I'd be able to play this well period.

- Sniped Nova
- Nailed LC
- Nailed Jack (sort of. He said he got no result when he checked me, which tipped me off 4 days later when I thought back on it)
- Sorta got Poutanko although that one goes to the town I figure.

Very lucky breaaks with finding the Hallows/Polyjuicing myself but as far as the hallows goes I just used the mechanics to their fullest (last vote gets the hallow, Niffler, etc).

As an SK, I wanted to do two things: Get civ cred, and fuck up the mafia so I couldn't get Nightkilled. Once I set those goals and worked towards them the game was well within reach.

...you didn't kill Novase because you read him as scum. That one was luck

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:32 pm**

poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:22 pm SK role is okay and DH did play well by making people think he's town. That one was not a result of "luck". He's lucky, true, but not fully on that that he won.

Having to wake up to find 1 of my team mate die every cycle was not something I expected. The mess on D3 was the worst. Woke up only to find huge mess on game thread and on maf chat. We're unlucky with Novase too, he's modblocked so we couldn't use his ability, he was never replaced (he's killed already), never received 1 night kill immunity like town subs and he's our doc/invigo maker/hippogriff/elder wand owner. Losing 3 maf limited our actions a lot. Felix and Avada became a must. Had to be 1 Hogwart/1 Dark Art per player. Had to avoid any player that might be protected/jailed or else our kill would fail.

...that Glorf thing I'd rather not...

This game is gonna fuck up my ego so bad.

I would agree with you that I wouldn't attribute my win to luck, or to a majority of luck. I got lucky when I needed it, but I was hustling my ass off every other second of the game. I don't win the game if my Long Con case falls through. I don't win the game if I don't connect the dots with Jack, which later led to everyone connecting the dots on you. I don't win the game if I don't use the Niffler/House Cup/Hallows mechanics the way I did.

I got some good lucky breaks this game for sure but I'm not going to lie, it wasn't an easy win.

Also I felt bad for the mafia this game even as I was running through you guys. Nova's kill was just on a lark I was like "Hey fuck inactivity!". At one point I considered teaming up with the mafia, using the Resurrection Stone to contact INH and feed him a line of bulshit about how I was a secret killer role looking to get recruited but I needed to know who I was looking for or some shit but [mention]insertnamehere[/mention] never showed up to the chat.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:32 pm**

poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:28 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:22 pm I will never be able to replicate a performance like this. I didn't think I'd be able to play this well period.

- Sniped Nova
- Nailed LC
- Nailed Jack (sort of. He said he got no result when he checked me, which tipped me off 4 days later when I thought back on it)
- Sorta got Poutanko although that one goes to the town I figure.

Very lucky breaaks with finding the Hallows/Polyjuicing myself but as far as the hallows goes I just used the mechanics to their fullest (last vote gets the hallow, Niffler, etc).

As an SK, I wanted to do two things: Get civ cred, and fuck up the mafia so I couldn't get Nightkilled. Once I set those goals and worked towards them the game was well within reach.
...you didn't kill Novase because you read him as scum. That one was luck

That one I'll give you was lucky.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:36 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:36 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:28 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:23 pm Ok so I believe I have dumped all information you guys might want to know. I'm tired so I'll wait until tomorrow to respond to questions and do game comentary.

Feel free to make praises and criticizes to the game, I don't think there is a perfectly balanced role madness game, but I tried. I will reply to everything tomorrow.
you did an amazing job!!! just looking at the list of night actions I'm stressed out lol, it's really an incredible feat that you handled this game by yourself and sorted everything out.
I've been through worse. Favorites 4, one of my first games, had 58 players, bigger roles, 24 hour phases and some very poor communication between me and the other host ( @Soneji ). After that mayhem, everything feels like a cakewalk. It's just a matter of having a template and being organized.

Will I ever escape the shame of this?

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:36 pm**

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] What would have happened if a civ or a member of the mafia had gotten all 3 hallows?

Also, mid-late to late game, everyone forgot about the Hallows in the thread which was pretty chill for me as far as not having to explain shit.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:37 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:23 pm Ddl this game was friggin perfect. Screw anyone who's says otherwise. My favorite job on the site thus far.

I didn't realize Quins protective thing would count as a self target, so I was confused.

Yeah probably my favorite game in 10 years.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:38 pm**

to be honest though i'm not sure why DH became so strongly town read after the jack lynch.

..civilians couldn't have known that he had a horcrux.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:38 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:38 pm to be honest though i'm not sure why DH became so strongly town read after the jack lynch.

..civilians couldn't have known that he had a horcrux.

I didn't know that he had a Horcrux either.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:43 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:38 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:38 pm to be honest though i'm not sure why DH became so strongly town read after the jack lynch.

..civilians couldn't have known that he had a horcrux.
I didn't know that he had a Horcrux either.

yeah, but the way you went about his lynch felt to me like you had information that you shouldn't have. and i was right, given the polyjuice potion thing.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:45 pm**

The best I could rationalise against you was that you were a bus happy Mafia member because it wasn't until Jack started infodumping that I even entertained the idea there was a rogue but eventually that was just impossible because you were decimating them. You had this game pretty well wrapped up quite a while ago I feel.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:46 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:43 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:38 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:38 pm to be honest though i'm not sure why DH became so strongly town read after the jack lynch.

..civilians couldn't have known that he had a horcrux.
I didn't know that he had a Horcrux either.
yeah, but the way you went about his lynch felt to me like you had information that you shouldn't have. and i was right, given the polyjuice potion thing.

I knew him getting no result when he checked me meant he was bad, yeah.

I also knew he knew polyjuice existed in the game which no civ would.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:46 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:45 pm The best I could rationalise against you was that you were a bus happy Mafia member because it wasn't until Jack started infodumping that I even entertained the idea there was a rogue but eventually that was just impossible because you were decimating them. You had this game pretty well wrapped up quite a while ago I feel.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:50 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:32 pm This game is gonna fuck up my ego so bad.

I would agree with you that I wouldn't attribute my win to luck, or to a majority of luck. I got lucky when I needed it, but I was hustling my ass off every other second of the game. I don't win the game if my Long Con case falls through. I don't win the game if I don't connect the dots with Jack, which later led to everyone connecting the dots on you. I don't win the game if I don't use the Niffler/House Cup/Hallows mechanics the way I did.

I got some good lucky breaks this game for sure but I'm not going to lie, it wasn't an easy win.

Also I felt bad for the mafia this game even as I was running through you guys. Nova's kill was just on a lark I was like "Hey fuck inactivity!". At one point I considered teaming up with the mafia, using the Resurrection Stone to contact INH and feed him a line of bulshit about how I was a secret killer role looking to get recruited but I needed to know who I was looking for or some shit but @insertnamehere never showed up to the chat.

Said on maf chat "What if whoever gets 3 hallows become SK?"...somewhat true except that you're SK before getting all the Hallows

Which cycle did you contact INH?

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:52 pm**

poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:50 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:32 pm This game is gonna fuck up my ego so bad.

I would agree with you that I wouldn't attribute my win to luck, or to a majority of luck. I got lucky when I needed it, but I was hustling my ass off every other second of the game. I don't win the game if my Long Con case falls through. I don't win the game if I don't connect the dots with Jack, which later led to everyone connecting the dots on you. I don't win the game if I don't use the Niffler/House Cup/Hallows mechanics the way I did.

I got some good lucky breaks this game for sure but I'm not going to lie, it wasn't an easy win.

Also I felt bad for the mafia this game even as I was running through you guys. Nova's kill was just on a lark I was like "Hey fuck inactivity!". At one point I considered teaming up with the mafia, using the Resurrection Stone to contact INH and feed him a line of bulshit about how I was a secret killer role looking to get recruited but I needed to know who I was looking for or some shit but @insertnamehere never showed up to the chat.
Said on maf chat "What if whoever gets 3 hallows become SK?"...somewhat true except that you're SK before getting all the Hallows

Which cycle did you contact INH?

It was right after he died.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:53 pm**

I was pretty useless this game. Not much more to say, lol.

Thx ddl it was a great setup and congrats to DH!

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:54 pm**

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:53 pm I was pretty useless this game. Not much more to say, lol.

Thx ddl it was a great setup and congrats to DH!

We could have been so much more.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:55 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:18 pm I was telling the truth when I said I figured out Jack was bad because he pretended not to know what polyjuice was.

And I was telling the truth when I said you were the serial killer.

Well played. That was a fantastic SKer role and you did a damn good job of playing it.

The Syndicate

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