The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:55 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:18 pm I was telling the truth when I said I figured out Jack was bad because he pretended not to know what polyjuice was.

And I was telling the truth when I said you were the serial killer.

Well played. That was a fantastic SKer role and you did a damn good job of playing it.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:55 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:18 pm I was telling the truth when I said I figured out Jack was bad because he pretended not to know what polyjuice was.

And I was telling the truth when I said you were the serial killer.

Well played. That was a fantastic SKer role and you did a damn good job of playing it.

Hilarious to me that because you got outed as a mafia nobody gave two shits about you putting me on blast.


Worthy foe.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:08 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:55 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:18 pm I was telling the truth when I said I figured out Jack was bad because he pretended not to know what polyjuice was.

And I was telling the truth when I said you were the serial killer.

Well played. That was a fantastic SKer role and you did a damn good job of playing it.

Hilarious to me that because you got outed as a mafia nobody gave two shits about you putting me on blast.


Worthy foe.

Hardly on blast. I was pretty kid gloves about it.

1) You clearly didn’t care about who got lynched several times.
2) Nova was modblocked on N1 and Timmer was roleblocked. This means the only way a townie could have killed him is if there were two odd night vigilantes. There was clearly an even night vigilante. 3 town vigilantes on top of all the protection and investigation is op....unless there’s a sker.
3) Way too many kills with Timmer holstering and so much protection....unless there’s a sker
4) Outed a cop role and couldn’t give an actual reason why that role was bad. Plus lying about what we talked about in btsc.
5) Overstating credit for dead mafia members
6) Quin’s killer was clearly not the mafia kill but also clearly an evil character.

I couldn’t argue the third point without confirming Timmer (my mistake) and I choose not to hammer on the other points because at the end of the day, I was only about 75% sure and it wasn’t worth making Pout more lynchable to get rid of you in my (flawed) calculation. We knew you had the Elder wand and if we could get it, that meant that in addition to my transfiguration, I could give the mafia a 3 vote swing. If you had died and Pout had lived, we would almost surely have won.

But we didn’t and you did. You made the right bets and the right actions while we made the wrong ones. Hats off for a well deserved win.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:03 pm I really needed to find Jack's partner when we did, otherwise I'dve lost probably.

poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:10 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:03 pm I really needed to find Jack's partner when we did, otherwise I'dve lost probably.

Only if Petrificus Totalus work on you.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:49 pm ima make a sweeping declaration for future meta evaluations and also because that was annoying as heck

I don't lie about my night actions. I don't need to.

I'm GenuQuin

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:13 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:49 pm ima make a sweeping declaration for future meta evaluations and also because that was annoying as heck

I don't lie about my night actions. I don't need to.

I'm GenuQuin

Seconded. Night action claiming got me lynched too just because some people thought what I claimed was stupid, and their logical conclusion was that I must be bad.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:03 pm I really needed to find Jack's partner when we did, otherwise I'dve lost probably.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:14 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:13 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:49 pm ima make a sweeping declaration for future meta evaluations and also because that was annoying as heck

I don't lie about my night actions. I don't need to.

I'm GenuQuin

Seconded. Night action claiming got me lynched too just because some people thought what I claimed was stupid, and their logical conclusion was that I must be bad.

I tried so hard

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:09 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:08 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:55 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:18 pm I was telling the truth when I said I figured out Jack was bad because he pretended not to know what polyjuice was.

And I was telling the truth when I said you were the serial killer.

Well played. That was a fantastic SKer role and you did a damn good job of playing it.

Hilarious to me that because you got outed as a mafia nobody gave two shits about you putting me on blast.


Worthy foe.

Hardly on blast. I was pretty kid gloves about it.

1) You clearly didn’t care about who got lynched several times.
2) Nova was modblocked on N1 and Timmer was roleblocked. This means the only way a townie could have killed him is if there were two odd night vigilantes. There was clearly an even night vigilante. 3 town vigilantes on top of all the protection and investigation is op....unless there’s a sker.
3) Way too many kills with Timmer holstering and so much protection....unless there’s a sker
4) Outed a cop role and couldn’t give an actual reason why that role was bad. Plus lying about what we talked about in btsc.
5) Overstating credit for dead mafia members
6) Quin’s killer was clearly not the mafia kill but also clearly an evil character.

I couldn’t argue the third point without confirming Timmer (my mistake) and I choose not to hammer on the other points because at the end of the day, I was only about 75% sure and it wasn’t worth making Pout more lynchable to get rid of you in my (flawed) calculation. We knew you had the Elder wand and if we could get it, that meant that in addition to my transfiguration, I could give the mafia a 3 vote swing. If you had died and Pout had lived, we would almost surely have won.

But we didn’t and you did. You made the right bets and the right actions while we made the wrong ones. Hats off for a well deserved win.

I told DDL a few times that the civs couldn't see the forest through the trees this game. Like when they lynched you before me.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:13 pm Seconded. Night action claiming got me lynched too just because some people thought what I claimed was stupid, and their logical conclusion was that I must be bad.

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:21 pm Poutanko I think this was the first time I've seen you play and just fyi those emojis you use are super cute.

poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:25 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:21 pm Poutanko I think this was the first time I've seen you play and just fyi those emojis you use are super cute.

Thanks, I'm new here just my habit using them
You're dangerous when you're serious. Went back and forth between killing you or using you as extra kill

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:28 pm If I had lasted one more night I was going to nk DH but I guess that would have failed? I realized Colin was civ too late, as I was dead.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:46 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:43 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:38 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:38 pm to be honest though i'm not sure why DH became so strongly town read after the jack lynch.

..civilians couldn't have known that he had a horcrux.

I didn't know that he had a Horcrux either.

yeah, but the way you went about his lynch felt to me like you had information that you shouldn't have. and i was right, given the polyjuice potion thing.

I knew him getting no result when he checked me meant he was bad, yeah.

I also knew he knew polyjuice existed in the game which no civ would.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:33 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:46 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:43 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:38 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:38 pm to be honest though i'm not sure why DH became so strongly town read after the jack lynch.

..civilians couldn't have known that he had a horcrux.

I didn't know that he had a Horcrux either.

yeah, but the way you went about his lynch felt to me like you had information that you shouldn't have. and i was right, given the polyjuice potion thing.

I knew him getting no result when he checked me meant he was bad, yeah.

I also knew he knew polyjuice existed in the game which no civ would.

i mean i was confident it was, but i didn't have any actual knowledge of it i guess

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:34 pm I mean I think punishing low activity players is good, it's more a way to incentivize players to be active to get the rewards. But yeah I do think the "use all 3 abilities" was a factor as well since Luna had a good ability she could use every night.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:26 pm Oh btw Poutanko welcome to the Syndicate you did a great job

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:40 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:39 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:38 pm I want to know what the deal was with the Quin-speed actions. I assume speed was telling the truth, was Quin? Maybe I missed the answer to that somewhere.

DDL posted all the night actions in a big spoilered post. I totally forgot to look at those when I skimmed it but I assume something messed them up lol

LC tried to save himself by using a Dodo on someone.

But the person he picked (Quin) happened to be the guy DH was trying to kill for a hallow.

( )

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:36 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:40 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:39 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:38 pm I want to know what the deal was with the Quin-speed actions. I assume speed was telling the truth, was Quin? Maybe I missed the answer to that somewhere.

DDL posted all the night actions in a big spoilered post. I totally forgot to look at those when I skimmed it but I assume something messed them up lol

LC tried to save himself by using a Dodo on someone.

But the person he picked (Quin) happened to be the guy DH was trying to kill for a hallow.

( )

I forgot Speed had DH ages ago.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:47 pm Hey DH did you kill Epi? If so why? If not, can someone from the mafia tell us why?

(sorry I still haven't looked at the spoiler night actions)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:00 pm I am like, impressed with the host, impressed with DH, sad as fuck that we didn't win. I don't know if I've ever actually got to end game as a civ and lost before, so this emotion is new.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:47 pm Hey DH did you kill Epi? If so why? If not, can someone from the mafia tell us why?

(sorry I still haven't looked at the spoiler night actions)

poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:53 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:47 pm Hey DH did you kill Epi? If so why? If not, can someone from the mafia tell us why?

(sorry I still haven't looked at the spoiler night actions)

...he's among those we suspected as even night vig. Bad decision I think (unless he's 2nd Doc or one with Sacrificial spell)...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:02 pm JaggedJimmyJay elaborate on your frustration. What did you see that we didn't?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:59 pm Can't wait to get dunked on D1/N1 in long con's game for this.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:03 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:59 pm Can't wait to get dunked on D1/N1 in long con's game for this.

I don't think people really hold grudges from game to game much anymore. It's so immature.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:01 am I don't fault anyone for missing DH as a serial killer. Indeed, I don't think the civilians were ever going to figure that out before it was too late (both in terms of game phase and the acquisition of the hallows), because it was a secret role. Even speculation about it maybe existing is always going to take a back seat to the confirmed, objective threat (the death eaters), so there's really nothing that can be done on that front. The best chance the civilians had to be rid of that problem would have been for DH to be killed by the mafia. I give DH credit for making the best of the role and earning civilian credit to ensure he couldn't be lynched for the wrong reasons (association with the mafia).

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:08 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:01 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:02 pm JaggedJimmyJay elaborate on your frustration. What did you see that we didn't?

It was less about anyone missing something that I was seeing and more about what I perceived to be complacent or resigned hunting. There were so many times wherein someone would clear or near-clear someone else for what I thought were inadequate reasons in a late/endgame scenario. For example:

I don't clear Mac for giving timmer the potion.
I don't clear nutella for her effort level.
I don't clear DH for casing Long Con or Jack.
I don't clear poutanko for claiming a false red check.
I don't clear Lunalee for having cleared Sloonei.

etc. I saw very reasonable ways to view these things through a mafioso lens that required nearly no tinfoil, and it drove me bonkers. That isn't meant to criticize any specific people though, because my own casing was clearly not perfect either. I'd have had to continue developing my own POE to arrive at poutanko.

I don't fault anyone for missing DH as a serial killer. Indeed, I don't think the civilians were ever going to figure that out before it was too late (both in terms of game phase and the acquisition of the hallows), because it was a secret role. Even speculation about it maybe existing is always going to take a back seat to the confirmed, objective threat (the death eaters), so there's really nothing that can be done on that front. The best chance the civilians had to be rid of that problem would have been for DH to be killed by the mafia. I give DH credit for making the best of the role and earning civilian credit to ensure he couldn't be lynched for the wrong reasons (association with the mafia).

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:01 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:02 pm JaggedJimmyJay elaborate on your frustration. What did you see that we didn't?

It was less about anyone missing something that I was seeing and more about what I perceived to be complacent or resigned hunting. There were so many times wherein someone would clear or near-clear someone else for what I thought were inadequate reasons in a late/endgame scenario. For example:

I don't clear Mac for giving timmer the potion.
I don't clear nutella for her effort level.
I don't clear DH for casing Long Con or Jack.
I don't clear poutanko for claiming a false red check.
I don't clear Lunalee for having cleared Sloonei.

etc. I saw very reasonable ways to view these things through a mafioso lens that required nearly no tinfoil, and it drove me bonkers. That isn't meant to criticize any specific people though, because my own casing was clearly not perfect either. I'd have had to continue developing my own POE to arrive at poutanko.

I don't fault anyone for missing DH as a serial killer. Indeed, I don't think the civilians were ever going to figure that out before it was too late (both in terms of game phase and the acquisition of the hallows), because it was a secret role. Even speculation about it maybe existing is always going to take a back seat to the confirmed, objective threat (the death eaters), so there's really nothing that can be done on that front. The best chance the civilians had to be rid of that problem would have been for DH to be killed by the mafia. I give DH credit for making the best of the role and earning civilian credit to ensure he couldn't be lynched for the wrong reasons (association with the mafia).