The Syndicate

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:22 pm If you want my recommendation if you want to do some re-reading, you may want to read D4 up until now as a lot of people are acting rather independently of each other during those times and I'm not sure if there's a good summary for it.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:45 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am The Wastelanders win the game if the Enclave are eliminated and no more than one member of the Vault City and Hubologists factions combined is left alive.

Vault City is dead. Hubologists already lost SPF.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am The NCR wins the game if the Enclave are eliminated and no more than one member of the Vault City and New Reno factions combined is left alive.

NCR is probably dead so this doesn't really concern them unless you want to help them win.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am The Brotherhood of Steel wins the game if the Enclave are eliminated and no more than one member of the Vault City and Slavers factions combined is left alive.

Vault city is dead, and there's only one slaver.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am Arroyo wins the game if the Enclave are eliminated and no more than one member of the Slavers and Hubologists factions combined is left alive.

There's at least one slaver, and if hubologists exists (which is likely Grogu) then they haven't solve their non-enclave wincon.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am Redding wins the game if the Enclave are eliminated and no more than one combined between the Slavers faction and Jagged Jimmy J is left alive.

JJJ got modkilled, and there's only one slaver.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am New Reno wins the game if the Enclave are eliminated and no more than one combined between the NCR faction and Jagged Jimmy J is left alive.

Both NCR (likely) and JJJ are dead.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am The Hubologists win the game if the Enclave are eliminated and no more than 50% of the members of the Arroyo and Wastelanders factions combined are left alive.

Wastelanders are possibly alive. Arroyo hasn't lost anyone yet.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am Jagged Jimmy J wins the game if the Enclave are eliminated and no more than one member of the New Reno and Redding factions combined is left alive.

JJJ is dead so this doesn't really matter unless you think Falcon deserves a win.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:22 pm Basically, without looking into a whole lot of details (Edit: I still vomit a fair amount of details lol but not everything):

Spoiler: show

D1 I kinda ignored myself, but basically there was some pushing and some shoving and in the end BoKnows (or "BK") was the leading wagon and flipped Wastelander.
However, C43wuiuint34551nioin1ij4nl also died; he was a large wagon at one point but his wagon got smaller. He was shot dead during the day; only possible by a New Reno character or a slaver. Something of which Alison has heavily hinted and claimed since D2 as being Eldrige (of New Reno).

What's interesting for N1 is that DrWilgy died. We still haven't solved that mystery (*if* it was a night vigilante kill or a Vault city kill) but at face value he isn't really an appealing target to kill in the night. Esooa was also killed; she was Vault City, and therefore had to be killed by Enclave.

On D2 some interesting stuff happened. Space Daisy (who is now Sprityo) claims she got a message, and claims it had a scummy error in it because it forgot to mention Esooa when it should have; this is suspicious because the Enclave knew Esooa would die. Chop Chop then, either out of sheer stupidity of being town or enclave, claimed to have sent it. Long-story-short, I spend a lot of time hard-defending him and on nearly every day since then he has been a viable wagon. Alison throughout the whole day hints or more or less claims being Eldrige and shot C4, as I mentioned earlier.

Additionally, Falcon comes out claiming mech against Alison of some sort, but he is soon mod-killed due to an accident that we don't know of. It has been said that mech was irrelevant because since he flipped Jagged Jimmy J (the role and faction), he had reasons to push Alison regardless if she was New Reno or Slaver. It also should be noted that Grogu claimed mech information against Falcon at this time, and the leading theory is that Grogu is a Hubologist or Tracker of some sort.

Rej ends up being the biggest wagon due to his low-activity and input, and flips New Reno.

On N2 SPF is killed by the Enclave and flips Hubologist.

On D3, DaughterOfOmega gets partially mech-caught by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME. She subs out and gets replaced by Made, who likely spent the whole day spewing and anti-spewing as he inevitably dies that day as Enclave. However, at some point Macdougall and Chop Chop are tied with that wagon as the mech info against Daughter wasn't 1000% damning among other reasons.

On N3, Sloonei was (apparently) killed by the Enclave, as your slot claimed to have shot KZA on N3. Your slot also claims to be Sheriff Marion. Given that you're the only Redding claim, among other reasons, I personally believe it to be true.

On D4, basically everyone is fairly lost, and I'm not sure if there's a good way for me to summarize it. We end up settling on a Macdougall wagon, and he flips Vault City. He was the last of that scum faction, and since scum factions are announced when they are destroyed, we now know there are no more Vault City.

On N4 NANOOK is killed by the Enclave and flips NCR.

D5 is basically the same level of lost but a fair bit less, and it seems we have more information in general off-the-top of my head. However, we had difficulty getting much consensus and we ended up on Dom. He flipped as Arroyo.

D6 is...well, yet to be seen. The saved kill may produce interesting results.

If you want my recommendation if you want to do some re-reading, you may want to read D4 up until now as a lot of people are acting rather independently of each other during those times and I'm not sure if there's a good summary for it.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:22 pm Basically, without looking into a whole lot of details (Edit: I still vomit a fair amount of details lol but not everything):

Spoiler: show

D1 I kinda ignored myself, but basically there was some pushing and some shoving and in the end BoKnows (or "BK") was the leading wagon and flipped Wastelander.
However, C43wuiuint34551nioin1ij4nl also died; he was a large wagon at one point but his wagon got smaller. He was shot dead during the day; only possible by a New Reno character or a slaver. Something of which Alison has heavily hinted and claimed since D2 as being Eldrige (of New Reno).

What's interesting for N1 is that DrWilgy died. We still haven't solved that mystery (*if* it was a night vigilante kill or a Vault city kill) but at face value he isn't really an appealing target to kill in the night. Esooa was also killed; she was Vault City, and therefore had to be killed by Enclave.

On D2 some interesting stuff happened. Space Daisy (who is now Sprityo) claims she got a message, and claims it had a scummy error in it because it forgot to mention Esooa when it should have; this is suspicious because the Enclave knew Esooa would die. Chop Chop then, either out of sheer stupidity of being town or enclave, claimed to have sent it. Long-story-short, I spend a lot of time hard-defending him and on nearly every day since then he has been a viable wagon. Alison throughout the whole day hints or more or less claims being Eldrige and shot C4, as I mentioned earlier.

Additionally, Falcon comes out claiming mech against Alison of some sort, but he is soon mod-killed due to an accident that we don't know of. It has been said that mech was irrelevant because since he flipped Jagged Jimmy J (the role and faction), he had reasons to push Alison regardless if she was New Reno or Slaver. It also should be noted that Grogu claimed mech information against Falcon at this time, and the leading theory is that Grogu is a Hubologist or Tracker of some sort.

Rej ends up being the biggest wagon due to his low-activity and input, and flips New Reno.

On N2 SPF is killed by the Enclave and flips Hubologist.

On D3, DaughterOfOmega gets partially mech-caught by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME. She subs out and gets replaced by Made, who likely spent the whole day spewing and anti-spewing as he inevitably dies that day as Enclave. However, at some point Macdougall and Chop Chop are tied with that wagon as the mech info against Daughter wasn't 1000% damning among other reasons.

On N3, Sloonei was (apparently) killed by the Enclave, as your slot claimed to have shot KZA on N3. Your slot also claims to be Sheriff Marion. Given that you're the only Redding claim, among other reasons, I personally believe it to be true.

On D4, basically everyone is fairly lost, and I'm not sure if there's a good way for me to summarize it. We end up settling on a Macdougall wagon, and he flips Vault City. He was the last of that scum faction, and since scum factions are announced when they are destroyed, we now know there are no more Vault City.

On N4 NANOOK is killed by the Enclave and flips NCR.

D5 is basically the same level of lost but a fair bit less, and it seems we have more information in general off-the-top of my head. However, we had difficulty getting much consensus and we ended up on Dom. He flipped as Arroyo.

D6 is...well, yet to be seen. The saved kill may produce interesting results.

If you want my recommendation if you want to do some re-reading, you may want to read D4 up until now as a lot of people are acting rather independently of each other during those times and I'm not sure if there's a good summary for it.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:50 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:22 pm Basically, without looking into a whole lot of details (Edit: I still vomit a fair amount of details lol but not everything):

Spoiler: show

D1 I kinda ignored myself, but basically there was some pushing and some shoving and in the end BoKnows (or "BK") was the leading wagon and flipped Wastelander.
However, C43wuiuint34551nioin1ij4nl also died; he was a large wagon at one point but his wagon got smaller. He was shot dead during the day; only possible by a New Reno character or a slaver. Something of which Alison has heavily hinted and claimed since D2 as being Eldrige (of New Reno).

What's interesting for N1 is that DrWilgy died. We still haven't solved that mystery (*if* it was a night vigilante kill or a Vault city kill) but at face value he isn't really an appealing target to kill in the night. Esooa was also killed; she was Vault City, and therefore had to be killed by Enclave.

On D2 some interesting stuff happened. Space Daisy (who is now Sprityo) claims she got a message, and claims it had a scummy error in it because it forgot to mention Esooa when it should have; this is suspicious because the Enclave knew Esooa would die. Chop Chop then, either out of sheer stupidity of being town or enclave, claimed to have sent it. Long-story-short, I spend a lot of time hard-defending him and on nearly every day since then he has been a viable wagon. Alison throughout the whole day hints or more or less claims being Eldrige and shot C4, as I mentioned earlier.

Additionally, Falcon comes out claiming mech against Alison of some sort, but he is soon mod-killed due to an accident that we don't know of. It has been said that mech was irrelevant because since he flipped Jagged Jimmy J (the role and faction), he had reasons to push Alison regardless if she was New Reno or Slaver. It also should be noted that Grogu claimed mech information against Falcon at this time, and the leading theory is that Grogu is a Hubologist or Tracker of some sort.

Rej ends up being the biggest wagon due to his low-activity and input, and flips New Reno.

On N2 SPF is killed by the Enclave and flips Hubologist.

On D3, DaughterOfOmega gets partially mech-caught by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME. She subs out and gets replaced by Made, who likely spent the whole day spewing and anti-spewing as he inevitably dies that day as Enclave. However, at some point Macdougall and Chop Chop are tied with that wagon as the mech info against Daughter wasn't 1000% damning among other reasons.

On N3, Sloonei was (apparently) killed by the Enclave, as your slot claimed to have shot KZA on N3. Your slot also claims to be Sheriff Marion. Given that you're the only Redding claim, among other reasons, I personally believe it to be true.

On D4, basically everyone is fairly lost, and I'm not sure if there's a good way for me to summarize it. We end up settling on a Macdougall wagon, and he flips Vault City. He was the last of that scum faction, and since scum factions are announced when they are destroyed, we now know there are no more Vault City.

On N4 NANOOK is killed by the Enclave and flips NCR.

D5 is basically the same level of lost but a fair bit less, and it seems we have more information in general off-the-top of my head. However, we had difficulty getting much consensus and we ended up on Dom. He flipped as Arroyo.

D6 is...well, yet to be seen. The saved kill may produce interesting results.

If you want my recommendation if you want to do some re-reading, you may want to read D4 up until now as a lot of people are acting rather independently of each other during those times and I'm not sure if there's a good summary for it.

Why did Esooa have to be killed by Enclave?

ChopChop wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:49 pm OMFG!
How TF is Alison not Slaver!

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:59 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:50 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:22 pm Basically, without looking into a whole lot of details (Edit: I still vomit a fair amount of details lol but not everything):

Spoiler: show

D1 I kinda ignored myself, but basically there was some pushing and some shoving and in the end BoKnows (or "BK") was the leading wagon and flipped Wastelander.
However, C43wuiuint34551nioin1ij4nl also died; he was a large wagon at one point but his wagon got smaller. He was shot dead during the day; only possible by a New Reno character or a slaver. Something of which Alison has heavily hinted and claimed since D2 as being Eldrige (of New Reno).

What's interesting for N1 is that DrWilgy died. We still haven't solved that mystery (*if* it was a night vigilante kill or a Vault city kill) but at face value he isn't really an appealing target to kill in the night. Esooa was also killed; she was Vault City, and therefore had to be killed by Enclave.

On D2 some interesting stuff happened. Space Daisy (who is now Sprityo) claims she got a message, and claims it had a scummy error in it because it forgot to mention Esooa when it should have; this is suspicious because the Enclave knew Esooa would die. Chop Chop then, either out of sheer stupidity of being town or enclave, claimed to have sent it. Long-story-short, I spend a lot of time hard-defending him and on nearly every day since then he has been a viable wagon. Alison throughout the whole day hints or more or less claims being Eldrige and shot C4, as I mentioned earlier.

Additionally, Falcon comes out claiming mech against Alison of some sort, but he is soon mod-killed due to an accident that we don't know of. It has been said that mech was irrelevant because since he flipped Jagged Jimmy J (the role and faction), he had reasons to push Alison regardless if she was New Reno or Slaver. It also should be noted that Grogu claimed mech information against Falcon at this time, and the leading theory is that Grogu is a Hubologist or Tracker of some sort.

Rej ends up being the biggest wagon due to his low-activity and input, and flips New Reno.

On N2 SPF is killed by the Enclave and flips Hubologist.

On D3, DaughterOfOmega gets partially mech-caught by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME. She subs out and gets replaced by Made, who likely spent the whole day spewing and anti-spewing as he inevitably dies that day as Enclave. However, at some point Macdougall and Chop Chop are tied with that wagon as the mech info against Daughter wasn't 1000% damning among other reasons.

On N3, Sloonei was (apparently) killed by the Enclave, as your slot claimed to have shot KZA on N3. Your slot also claims to be Sheriff Marion. Given that you're the only Redding claim, among other reasons, I personally believe it to be true.

On D4, basically everyone is fairly lost, and I'm not sure if there's a good way for me to summarize it. We end up settling on a Macdougall wagon, and he flips Vault City. He was the last of that scum faction, and since scum factions are announced when they are destroyed, we now know there are no more Vault City.

On N4 NANOOK is killed by the Enclave and flips NCR.

D5 is basically the same level of lost but a fair bit less, and it seems we have more information in general off-the-top of my head. However, we had difficulty getting much consensus and we ended up on Dom. He flipped as Arroyo.

D6 is...well, yet to be seen. The saved kill may produce interesting results.

If you want my recommendation if you want to do some re-reading, you may want to read D4 up until now as a lot of people are acting rather independently of each other during those times and I'm not sure if there's a good summary for it.

Why did Esooa have to be killed by Enclave?

Unless the Enclave kill was saved on N1 and a vigilante killed Esooa

Vault-City can't kill their own, so it must be enclave.

For refrence, she was like the 2nd highest poster of D1 so it makes some sense that she would be killed by scum, and since she was Vault City, she wasn't killed by one of her own.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:03 pm Unless they used Frank Horrigan's separate vigilante kill (A garunteed Enclave role) on him.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:03 pm Yes. That is correct.

Unless they used Frank Horrigan's separate vigilante kill (A garunteed Enclave role) on him.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:07 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:03 pm Yes. That is correct.

Unless they used Frank Horrigan's separate vigilante kill (A garunteed Enclave role) on him.

Who had the mech info to deduce this?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:10 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:07 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:03 pm Yes. That is correct.

Unless they used Frank Horrigan's separate vigilante kill (A garunteed Enclave role) on him.

Who had the mech info to deduce this?

Everyone.

Vault-city cannot kill their own, have 3 kills spread across 3 nights if they wish, but can holster them. Enclave **has** to kill someone every night. Therefore it follows one of the N1 kills was likely the Enclave kill.

Given that Vault City wouldn't or can't kill Esooa, its arguable that Esooa was killed by the Encalve unless it was vigilante kill. Given that there hasn't been any vigilante flips or vigilantes claiming to that effect, its most likely that Enclave made the kill on Esooa.

Therefore, if they killed Esooa, they likely didn't target Dr Wilgy.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:19 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:10 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:07 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:03 pm Yes. That is correct.

Unless they used Frank Horrigan's separate vigilante kill (A garunteed Enclave role) on him.

Who had the mech info to deduce this?

Everyone.

Vault-city cannot kill their own, have 3 kills spread across 3 nights if they wish, but can holster them. Enclave **has** to kill someone every night. Therefore it follows one of the N1 kills was likely the Enclave kill.

Given that Vault City wouldn't or can't kill Esooa, its arguable that Esooa was killed by the Encalve unless it was vigilante kill. Given that there hasn't been any vigilante flips or vigilantes claiming to that effect, its most likely that Enclave made the kill on Esooa.

Therefore, if they killed Esooa, they likely didn't target Dr Wilgy.

Okay, so just to make sure, you don't KNOW that Esooa was killed by Enclave, it is just the threads working theory, and there are other potential, but perhaps less likely, things that could have happened, like Alison being slaver and shooting Esooa N1, with Enclave targeting Dr. Wilgy.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:00 pm

ChopChop wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:49 pm OMFG!
How TF is Alison not Slaver!

Who did you target @ChopChop

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:23 pm do we think it's possible the swing on dom was a save attempt

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:36 pm just going to [VOTE: kylemii] aubergine until i see a claim

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:43 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:36 pm just going to [VOTE: kylemii] aubergine until i see a claim

So let me get this straight.

You save Epignosis from a night-kill. Yesterday Epignosis was stating to not kill Kyle.

Now you're voting kyle for a claim.

Do you think you actually saved him or not and Enclave just hit a person with a vest?

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:31 pm marmot who do you think should claim first today?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:45 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:46 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:31 pm marmot who do you think should claim first today?

People that I don't mind claiming after me: Epi, Grogu, Alison.


I'd prefer to go after everyone else.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:48 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:46 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:31 pm marmot who do you think should claim first today?

People that I don't mind claiming after me: Epi, Grogu, Alison.


I'd prefer to go after everyone else.

My claim is likely tied with Alison's claim, regardless if that's Eldrige (again) or Slaver (???).

I have mech interactions with them that we're both aware of.

So we will likely go together regardless of the order in the game.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:50 pm Honestly something mechanical is staring at me right in the face if Epignosis is 100% the chosen one and Kyle is 100% the Masonizer.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:57 pm Hold on. We don't need to mass claim.

Chop Chop mechanically lied unless Epignosis lied about who he targeted.

[VOTE: Chop Chop] aubergine

He especially targeted Epignosis and not me, for some reason.