The Syndicate

Turnip Head wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Matt wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Matt wrote:K Turnips. What do you think of Mac still being around?

I'm not a collection of vegetables but I was under the impression that the role Mac claimed would be basically vanilla now and hardly worth wasting a kill on? That would explain why he's still around.

What role are you assuming he claimed? I'm pretty sure he took responsibility for killing Zeebs, which leaves one role, which is not vanilla.

Zebra was killed by Bullock and I'd missed the fact he could track someone at night:
Detective Harvey Bullock
Bullock tracks or kills someone each Night. He has just one kill. Better make it a good one.

I somehow skipped over a bit and just read "he has one kill", leading me to assume that with his kill cashed in he was now powerless. Still, maybe the baddies just don't think a tracker is too big of a threat. Or maybe they don't buy his claim.

Lol the Matt in me thinks Bullz might be bad and didn't realize he should have killed Mac

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wild theory time:

Is it possible that Golden wants to expose Batman because he's been targeted by a hallucinogen by Scarecrow, and now he needs Batman dead to win?

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:With that said, I think everyone should be questioned and examined, and we shouldn't take anything or anyone's town status for granted. Regarding my own play this game, I realize I have become much less focused and intense; that's my fault, and I apologize. I just don't have the time to put more into this game given my current RL and other "free time" obligations I have.

What would you say to the accusation that you only played hard enough to get suspicion off you and are now coasting?

I certainly wouldn't fault anyone for thinking that, especially because it's partially true and I'll be the first to admit it. I misjudged how active this game was really going to be and how busy I would be. I really didn't have the time to play before my failed lynch, but I felt compelled to spend more of my free time ensuring certain things would happen and actually trying to actively hunt. Simultaneously though, I just have way more things taking up available free time than before my no lynch (when I mostly just had this game happening, whereas hosting Turf Wars now is taking up a buttload of time). Nonetheless, I won't sit here and lie and say it's not easier to sit back and coast more now that my suspicion has faded, become less invested in the game, and just not care as much about hunting as a result. Because all of that is true. I lack any sense of urgency at this point. Probably not fair to the rest of my civilian team, but it is what it is, especially since the hosts are lacking replacements (and there are about 4 or 5 players who would need them before me). I promise to try to recapture what I can going forward, but I also recognize my time and motivation limitations enough to be forthcoming with all of this.

Is that why you had 200+ posts at that time and have ~380 now?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wild theory time:

Is it possible that Golden wants to expose Batman because he's been targeted by a hallucinogen by Scarecrow, and now he needs Batman dead to win?

Are you scarecrow?

S~V~S wrote:

Golden wrote:I am saying that, if you are not the Batman, you have been perfectly happy to let my theory that you are lie for days. To me, you are either Batman or bad. The reason I didn't vote for you yesterday, and the reason I'm not today, is that I landed on Batman. If I'm wrong, then the real Batman should vote for you.

So I am Batman or I am bad? Those are the options?

I don't know what to say here. I am fairly flabbergasted that you have a theory that someone is a civ role, and you want them to confirm it in the thread.

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wild theory time:

Is it possible that Golden wants to expose Batman because he's been targeted by a hallucinogen by Scarecrow, and now he needs Batman dead to win?

No.

I need Mac dead to win. I already said that ages ago, when Mac was actually in the firing line. I'm fine with not winning if thats how it pans out, though, I'd rather keep useful civs alive, and I'm pinning my hopies on nailing the Scarecrow.

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I had forgetten that I read somewhere where Golden posted that he does not think drawing targets is an issue any more, iirc?

In any case, no matter what my role is, I am not going to hint at it or confirm it to you.

I didn't ask you to hint at or confirm anything.

Golden wrote:I am saying that, if you are not the Batman, you have been perfectly happy to let my theory that you are lie for days. To me, you are either Batman or bad. The reason I didn't vote for you yesterday, and the reason I'm not today, is that I landed on Batman. If I'm wrong, then the real Batman should vote for you.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wild theory time:

Is it possible that Golden wants to expose Batman because he's been targeted by a hallucinogen by Scarecrow, and now he needs Batman dead to win?

No.

I need Mac dead to win. I already said that ages ago, when Mac was actually in the firing line. I'm fine with not winning if thats how it pans out, though, I'd rather keep useful civs alive, and I'm pinning my hopies on nailing the Scarecrow.

Would you like to lynch Mac today then?

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wild theory time:

Is it possible that Golden wants to expose Batman because he's been targeted by a hallucinogen by Scarecrow, and now he needs Batman dead to win?

No.

I need Mac dead to win. I already said that ages ago, when Mac was actually in the firing line. I'm fine with not winning if thats how it pans out, though, I'd rather keep useful civs alive, and I'm pinning my hopies on nailing the Scarecrow.

Would you like to lynch Mac today then?

No. I think Mac is civ.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wild theory time:

Is it possible that Golden wants to expose Batman because he's been targeted by a hallucinogen by Scarecrow, and now he needs Batman dead to win?

No.

I need Mac dead to win. I already said that ages ago, when Mac was actually in the firing line. I'm fine with not winning if thats how it pans out, though, I'd rather keep useful civs alive, and I'm pinning my hopies on nailing the Scarecrow.

Would you like to lynch Mac today then?

No. I think Mac is civ.

Consider me confused then.

Golden wrote:

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I had forgetten that I read somewhere where Golden posted that he does not think drawing targets is an issue any more, iirc?

In any case, no matter what my role is, I am not going to hint at it or confirm it to you.

I didn't ask you to hint at or confirm anything.

Golden wrote:I am saying that, if you are not the Batman, you have been perfectly happy to let my theory that you are lie for days. To me, you are either Batman or bad. The reason I didn't vote for you yesterday, and the reason I'm not today, is that I landed on Batman. If I'm wrong, then the real Batman should vote for you.

These are really straightforward statements.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:With that said, I think everyone should be questioned and examined, and we shouldn't take anything or anyone's town status for granted. Regarding my own play this game, I realize I have become much less focused and intense; that's my fault, and I apologize. I just don't have the time to put more into this game given my current RL and other "free time" obligations I have.

What would you say to the accusation that you only played hard enough to get suspicion off you and are now coasting?

I certainly wouldn't fault anyone for thinking that, especially because it's partially true and I'll be the first to admit it. I misjudged how active this game was really going to be and how busy I would be. I really didn't have the time to play before my failed lynch, but I felt compelled to spend more of my free time ensuring certain things would happen and actually trying to actively hunt. Simultaneously though, I just have way more things taking up available free time than before my no lynch (when I mostly just had this game happening, whereas hosting Turf Wars now is taking up a buttload of time). Nonetheless, I won't sit here and lie and say it's not easier to sit back and coast more now that my suspicion has faded, become less invested in the game, and just not care as much about hunting as a result. Because all of that is true. I lack any sense of urgency at this point. Probably not fair to the rest of my civilian team, but it is what it is, especially since the hosts are lacking replacements (and there are about 4 or 5 players who would need them before me). I promise to try to recapture what I can going forward, but I also recognize my time and motivation limitations enough to be forthcoming with all of this.

Is that why you had 200+ posts at that time and have ~380 now?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wild theory time:

Is it possible that Golden wants to expose Batman because he's been targeted by a hallucinogen by Scarecrow, and now he needs Batman dead to win?

Are you scarecrow?

Why do you think either of these questions should be asked?

S~V~S wrote:

Golden wrote:

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I had forgetten that I read somewhere where Golden posted that he does not think drawing targets is an issue any more, iirc?

In any case, no matter what my role is, I am not going to hint at it or confirm it to you.

I didn't ask you to hint at or confirm anything.

Golden wrote:I am saying that, if you are not the Batman, you have been perfectly happy to let my theory that you are lie for days. To me, you are either Batman or bad. The reason I didn't vote for you yesterday, and the reason I'm not today, is that I landed on Batman. If I'm wrong, then the real Batman should vote for you.

These are really straightforward statements.

Then I don't understand what you are saying or why you keep talking about it, about why TH & I ignored your theory. If you did not want me to confirm it, what did you want me to do? I already denied it once

Typhoony wrote:Each named civvie role has basically been accounted for with you Golden. Now, does that mean you are claiming Renee Montoya?

Typhoony wrote:Each named civvie role has basically been accounted for with you Golden. Now, does that mean you are claiming Renee Montoya?

You have shown in the thread that you have roles in mind for Batman, Alfred, Robin, Gordon and Harvery Bullock. Guess who's left... Renee Montoya. Maybe you could be one of the cops, but you've not shown any interest in lynching the Inmates, even though you believe Glorfindel is one. All that's left for me to conclude is that you are either Renee Montoya or not civ at all... and I would guess the latter.

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote: Is that why you had 200+ posts at that time and have ~380 now?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wild theory time:

Is it possible that Golden wants to expose Batman because he's been targeted by a hallucinogen by Scarecrow, and now he needs Batman dead to win?

Are you scarecrow?

Why do you think either of these questions should be asked?

Why don't you just answer the questions if everyone should be questioned?

Dom wrote:

Typhoony wrote:Each named civvie role has basically been accounted for with you Golden. Now, does that mean you are claiming Renee Montoya?

You have shown in the thread that you have roles in mind for Batman, Alfred, Robin, Gordon and Harvery Bullock. Guess who's left... Renee Montoya. Maybe you could be one of the cops, but you've not shown any interest in lynching the Inmates, even though you believe Glorfindel is one. All that's left for me to conclude is that you are either Renee Montoya or not civ at all... and I would guess the latter.

We haven't had anyone silenced in a while, have we?

Glorfindel wrote: Sorry, Typh - that last remark was not intended as a criticism of you at all - just a general observation.

Glorfindel wrote:@ Typh...

May I please have your thoughts on the following?

1. Early Day 7 you asked this:

Typhoony wrote:Can someone point out the differences for me between Glorfindels Star Wars game and this game (or point me to a post where someone already does)?

As I recall, no one answered you (they're not answering me when I ask, I don't know why you'd think anyone would answer your question) so you went on a fishing expedition yourself that led you to the following conclusion?:

Typhoony wrote:Glor seems to be more like his Star Wars game from the very little I've read.

Seeing as no one has actually come up with any semblance of evidence to support this case, could you please enlighten me to what you saw that specifically led you to this conclusion?

Golden wrote:Your logic for why I'm not a cop is as bad as Enriques was on day zero.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote: Is that why you had 200+ posts at that time and have ~380 now?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wild theory time:

Is it possible that Golden wants to expose Batman because he's been targeted by a hallucinogen by Scarecrow, and now he needs Batman dead to win?

Are you scarecrow?

Why do you think either of these questions should be asked?

Why don't you just answer the questions if everyone should be questioned?

Because I don't understand why you're even asking these questions, or why you think they have any merit whatsoever. It's like asking "what color is the sky, MP?", except not quite that blatant. What are you really going to uncover about me by asking these questions?

Rather, I get the interpretation that you're just asking them to seem as though you're involved and hunting, when you ask things like this. It's possible that's why I read you as mafia so often.

Dom wrote: See, why deflect my question? Maybe I'm seeing how you'll handle pressure. Maybe I'm seeing what you'll do. I could have any number of reasons for those questions and deflecting them is something I would never expect a civvie to do after they just said, "everyone should be questioned".

I don't need to pretend to hunt. I have hunted plenty. I have helped several people get lynched (I wouldn't say I was instrumental, but certainly was a part of some of the lynches). I was wrong on sprit, and I was right on others. I don't need to pretend because I've been hunting this whole game. I have had a clear suspect list. I have asked for several others' opinions on the current topics-- most of them haven't answered me.

So don't flip this on me. I asked you two questions. If you don't want to answer them, fine, but don't pretend you want to "question everybody".

Typhoony wrote:

Glorfindel wrote: Sorry, Typh - that last remark was not intended as a criticism of you at all - just a general observation.

Even though I appreciate the thought, I did not take it this way my friend.

Glorfindel wrote:@ Typh...

May I please have your thoughts on the following?

1. Early Day 7 you asked this:

Typhoony wrote:Can someone point out the differences for me between Glorfindels Star Wars game and this game (or point me to a post where someone already does)?

As I recall, no one answered you (they're not answering me when I ask, I don't know why you'd think anyone would answer your question) so you went on a fishing expedition yourself that led you to the following conclusion?:

Typhoony wrote:Glor seems to be more like his Star Wars game from the very little I've read.

Seeing as no one has actually come up with any semblance of evidence to support this case, could you please enlighten me to what you saw that specifically led you to this conclusion?

Not entirely true, Juliets read through your posts of both games and commented on it.
You seem to be posting more like Star Wars from Pikmin. Granted, I'm more familiar with your pikmin game and only briefly read all your posts in Star Wars, but that is the conclusion I drew. Maybe if I have more time I can find some examples of what I mean.

Golden wrote:Your logic for why I'm not a cop is as bad as Enriques was on day zero.

After all these days and multiple baddie lynches, I would think that the Cops would have no trouble with lynching someone they thought was an Inmate, but you do.

Dom wrote:I'd like to hear actual thoughts from Matt, Enrique, and Dharmahelper too.

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wild theory time:

Is it possible that Golden wants to expose Batman because he's been targeted by a hallucinogen by Scarecrow, and now he needs Batman dead to win?

No.

I need Mac dead to win. I already said that ages ago, when Mac was actually in the firing line. I'm fine with not winning if thats how it pans out, though, I'd rather keep useful civs alive, and I'm pinning my hopies on nailing the Scarecrow.

Dom wrote:Can I just say the amount of role claiming in this game is getting tiresome?

Dom wrote:Can I just say the amount of role claiming in this game is getting tiresome?

Dom wrote:Can I just say the amount of role claiming in this game is getting tiresome?

Turnip Head wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Linki: I'm kind of unclear about TH too. Everybody seems to be taking it for granted that he's civ and I feel like I missed why.

Maybe it's not being taken for granted. Maybe other players are critically thinking about my contributions and have concluded that I'm playing a strong game for the town. Have you read my posts DF? Have you looked into my contributions? Or are you just sort of skating by and not thinking deeply about what's happening?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:No problem, bud!

If you all disagree with me, that's totally fine with me; I'd be happy with a lynch of someone active too, particularly Glorfindel (he's increasingly seeming like his Star Wars self, and his lack of hunting is not convincing me otherwise) and sprityo (though, like others have speculated, it's very possible he's an inmate who's won). I just thought I'd throw my hat in the ring again this time for another inactive lynch. I may or may not go the same way tomorrow though. Just gotta see when I'll have some time to actually put more than a half-assed effort in the game at this point, since hosting is taking up a bunch of time.

@MP - my friend, you have gone from defending me at one point saying something to the effect that you would look suspiciously upon anyone who voted for me to advocating my lynching - and all of this seemingly based on a comparison between my playstyle in Star Wars and this game. I'm asking you now to explain what it is precisely that you identified in that comparison to lead you to such an apparent about face - it must surely have been something conclusive to have led you to such a change of heart.

Glorf, sorry I haven't answered this before now. I've been swamped hosting another game among many other things.

I did say that I would view anyone who bandwagoned onto you and didn't discuss anyone else a few cycles ago with suspicion, yes. But since then, the game has developed, and I still have yet to see any real town-minded effort from you with regards to discussing suspects and actual hunting; rather, you seem way more interested in defending yourself over and over again, but by telling us how you're an obvious townie and trying to play off of emotional posts, rather than show us posts where you have exhibited town-minded hunting behavior.

I rightfully view that with suspicion.

Glorfindel wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:No problem, bud!

If you all disagree with me, that's totally fine with me; I'd be happy with a lynch of someone active too, particularly Glorfindel (he's increasingly seeming like his Star Wars self, and his lack of hunting is not convincing me otherwise) and sprityo (though, like others have speculated, it's very possible he's an inmate who's won). I just thought I'd throw my hat in the ring again this time for another inactive lynch. I may or may not go the same way tomorrow though. Just gotta see when I'll have some time to actually put more than a half-assed effort in the game at this point, since hosting is taking up a bunch of time.

@MP - my friend, you have gone from defending me at one point saying something to the effect that you would look suspiciously upon anyone who voted for me to advocating my lynching - and all of this seemingly based on a comparison between my playstyle in Star Wars and this game. I'm asking you now to explain what it is precisely that you identified in that comparison to lead you to such an apparent about face - it must surely have been something conclusive to have led you to such a change of heart.

Glorf, sorry I haven't answered this before now. I've been swamped hosting another game among many other things.

I did say that I would view anyone who bandwagoned onto you and didn't discuss anyone else a few cycles ago with suspicion, yes. But since then, the game has developed, and I still have yet to see any real town-minded effort from you with regards to discussing suspects and actual hunting; rather, you seem way more interested in defending yourself over and over again, but by telling us how you're an obvious townie and trying to play off of emotional posts, rather than show us posts where you have exhibited town-minded hunting behavior.

I rightfully view that with suspicion.

MP, your post disappoints me greatly. There are a number of things you've said there that are incidental to the outcome of this game that I will address later down the track. Let me say for now that it is difficult to not look like you're constantly defending yourself when you are subject to sustained false accusations as I have been by those of you who insist on making unsubstantiated claims about my playstyle being similar to that of Star Wars (where I was Mafia). Despite that, I have been doing my best (and spent considerable time and energy) to analyse other player's post. But then no one notices although whether that is deliberate and convenient who knows

Typhoony wrote:

Glorfindel wrote: Sorry, Typh - that last remark was not intended as a criticism of you at all - just a general observation.

Even though I appreciate the thought, I did not take it this way my friend.

Glorfindel wrote:@ Typh...

May I please have your thoughts on the following?

1. Early Day 7 you asked this:

Typhoony wrote:Can someone point out the differences for me between Glorfindels Star Wars game and this game (or point me to a post where someone already does)?

As I recall, no one answered you (they're not answering me when I ask, I don't know why you'd think anyone would answer your question) so you went on a fishing expedition yourself that led you to the following conclusion?:

Typhoony wrote:Glor seems to be more like his Star Wars game from the very little I've read.

Seeing as no one has actually come up with any semblance of evidence to support this case, could you please enlighten me to what you saw that specifically led you to this conclusion?

Not entirely true, Juliets read through your posts of both games and commented on it.
You seem to be posting more like Star Wars from Pikmin. Granted, I'm more familiar with your pikmin game and only briefly read all your posts in Star Wars, but that is the conclusion I drew. Maybe if I have more time I can find some examples of what I mean.

Golden wrote:Your logic for why I'm not a cop is as bad as Enriques was on day zero.

After all these days and multiple baddie lynches, I would think that the Cops would have no trouble with lynching someone they thought was an Inmate, but you do.

Golden wrote:

Typhoony wrote:

Glorfindel wrote: Sorry, Typh - that last remark was not intended as a criticism of you at all - just a general observation.

Even though I appreciate the thought, I did not take it this way my friend.

Glorfindel wrote:@ Typh...

May I please have your thoughts on the following?

1. Early Day 7 you asked this:

Typhoony wrote:Can someone point out the differences for me between Glorfindels Star Wars game and this game (or point me to a post where someone already does)?

As I recall, no one answered you (they're not answering me when I ask, I don't know why you'd think anyone would answer your question) so you went on a fishing expedition yourself that led you to the following conclusion?:

Typhoony wrote:Glor seems to be more like his Star Wars game from the very little I've read.

Seeing as no one has actually come up with any semblance of evidence to support this case, could you please enlighten me to what you saw that specifically led you to this conclusion?

Not entirely true, Juliets read through your posts of both games and commented on it.
You seem to be posting more like Star Wars from Pikmin. Granted, I'm more familiar with your pikmin game and only briefly read all your posts in Star Wars, but that is the conclusion I drew. Maybe if I have more time I can find some examples of what I mean.

Golden wrote:Your logic for why I'm not a cop is as bad as Enriques was on day zero.

After all these days and multiple baddie lynches, I would think that the Cops would have no trouble with lynching someone they thought was an Inmate, but you do.

I had no problem lynching sprit when I thought he was mr freeze. I don't have a problem with others lynching glorf if that's what they are intent on doing. I am not going to vote for him, and there is no imperative for me to do so even if he is two face.

I may be being stupid and have a blind spot with him. But don't blame me if he actually does come back cop. I think it's a distinct possibility.

juliets wrote:I read Pikmin Mafia and Glorfindel's posts did look significantly different - he never appeared frustrated or upset. BUT there is a big difference between that game and the Star Wars game - he never had any pressure on him about being bad. So I don't think I can compare that game with this one.

I'd really like those thinking of voting for Glorfindel to read those two games - it doesn't take long - because I'd like to hear other opinions based on the reads.

MovingPictures07 wrote:And for the record, I think you're a wonderful and a very nice person, Glorf, and it's been great to get to know you. But I think you're not a townie this game.

Turnip Head wrote:That's a touch unfair MP. Glorfindel does seem to be suspecting Typh.