The Syndicate

Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:57 pm

Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:55 pm Also, do we know how many scum are left?

my thought is if there's one, a power move this late in the game makes more sense, if there's 2, less so, which makes martin look a little better in that situation

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:56 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:56 pm Made's posting this day has been incredibly bad.

Yeah he can be chopped.

Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:56 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:56 pm Made's posting this day has been incredibly bad.

Yeah he can be chopped.

#cantchopwontchop

keep up friends, this play is bout to be legendary. bout to come off the bench for the game winning shot

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:00 pm @Allcrab @lost monkey to be absolutely clear, neither of you targeted Gnome on Night 4. Correct?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:00 pm @Allcrab @lost monkey to be absolutely clear, neither of you targeted Gnome on Night 4. Correct?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:02 pm LoMo is now hyper clear because he is confirmed to be JOAT with a watcher shot (corroborated by Allcrab) and a roleblocker shot (corroborated by Sloonei being blocked). A mafia JOAT with 1x watcher and 1x roleblocker on a team with a mafia roleblocker is implausible and beggars belief. This increases Mac's scum equity since Mac wanted to get us to suspect LoMo.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:03 pm Mac has entered lolcat

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:58 pm

Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:57 pm

Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:55 pm Also, do we know how many scum are left?

my thought is if there's one, a power move this late in the game makes more sense, if there's 2, less so, which makes martin look a little better in that situation

Probably 2, but I don't know what you mean. What's Martin's power move?

Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:47 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:09 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:05 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:03 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:49 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:22 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:13 pm [snip]

[snip]

I agree he has that comfortable-in-thread impulsiveness that is usually associated with town, but idk if you've ever been town when Guillo's been wolf, but he can fake that. He has compared himself to Gavial a few times, and I think that is actually a good comparison, they both are very good at bringing that impulsive posting style into their wolf games.

I'm not fully convinced he is a wolf, but I think the reasons he is being townread by most are exactly what you described, and having been on the losing side of wolf!Guillo multiple times, I don't think it is as AI as many people do. Take away his impulsive posting style, and what do you get?

Honestly removing "impulsive" from the equation and you can't really see much. I mean, to read him without impulsiveness in mind is kinda like not trying to read him at all fmpov.

The only evaluation at that point is the expectation that he has been hunting in reasonable faith. And whether he has been negatively affected during the night. I can't really think of anything else.

Can you elaborate on this? I'm not sure what you're saying here.

I'm not sure if I can elaborate effectively. I'm just pulling this straight from my head.

I mean. It's his style. I don't know how people read things without considering style, and whether doing so would be accurate.

If he's town I would have to take in that they're impulsive. If they're wolf I would have to take in fake impulsivity. In determining either I would have to consider the impulsivity and how that might influence a !town him unless I'm assuming he's a wolf.

this is a weird take from Martin. I feel like if he's scum, being wishy washing, and then going on at length as to the flavor of the wishwash is the best way to add volume without substances on a slot that might need a mislynch later. Ironically, it's overly careful. I also don't think I would ever compare Gav's game to Gulio's game generally. they're just not similar like that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:04 pm Also want to remind folks that Mac is the most appropriate Syndicat to come up with locking me in a room with Gavial.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:04 pm Also want to remind folks that Mac is the most appropriate Syndicat to come up with locking me in a room with Gavial.

You sound like you're trying to convince yourself.

But it's ok Jay. I forgive you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:04 pm Also want to remind folks that Mac is the most appropriate Syndicat to come up with locking me in a room with Gavial.

You sound like you're trying to convince yourself.

But it's ok Jay. I forgive you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:06 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:04 pm Also want to remind folks that Mac is the most appropriate Syndicat to come up with locking me in a room with Gavial.

You sound like you're trying to convince yourself.

But it's ok Jay. I forgive you.

Who bad?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:09 pm Apparently Made is too common a word in Mac's iso for me to search and I don't feel up to manually ctrl + fing through 16 pages of iso so I'll let someone harder working than me handle that.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:05 pm

Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:47 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:09 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:05 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:03 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:49 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:22 pm
[snip]

I agree he has that comfortable-in-thread impulsiveness that is usually associated with town, but idk if you've ever been town when Guillo's been wolf, but he can fake that. He has compared himself to Gavial a few times, and I think that is actually a good comparison, they both are very good at bringing that impulsive posting style into their wolf games.

I'm not fully convinced he is a wolf, but I think the reasons he is being townread by most are exactly what you described, and having been on the losing side of wolf!Guillo multiple times, I don't think it is as AI as many people do. Take away his impulsive posting style, and what do you get?

Honestly removing "impulsive" from the equation and you can't really see much. I mean, to read him without impulsiveness in mind is kinda like not trying to read him at all fmpov.

The only evaluation at that point is the expectation that he has been hunting in reasonable faith. And whether he has been negatively affected during the night. I can't really think of anything else.

Can you elaborate on this? I'm not sure what you're saying here.

I'm not sure if I can elaborate effectively. I'm just pulling this straight from my head.

I mean. It's his style. I don't know how people read things without considering style, and whether doing so would be accurate.

If he's town I would have to take in that they're impulsive. If they're wolf I would have to take in fake impulsivity. In determining either I would have to consider the impulsivity and how that might influence a !town him unless I'm assuming he's a wolf.

this is a weird take from Martin. I feel like if he's scum, being wishy washing, and then going on at length as to the flavor of the wishwash is the best way to add volume without substances on a slot that might need a mislynch later. Ironically, it's overly careful. I also don't think I would ever compare Gav's game to Gulio's game generally. they're just not similar like that.

A few things:

--I think it's inherently going to look "weird" because of this.

--Wishy Washy? What in the world does that even mean in Forum Mafia?

--This isn't directly a take on Gulio. This is a take on what Seanzie asked me in regards to *how* one should read Gulio (shown in red glow); in no way is this going to lead directly to a deletion. I was arguing that he was suggesting to me to ignore Gulio's impulsiveness, and that is problematic because both wolf and town Gulio would use that and thus it would have to be considered even if it were NAI.

--What am I being very careful or overly careful about? What should I be concerned about that's supposedly making me careful here?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:07 pm If Mac is scum I think his partner is >90% to be Made. His bickering with Guillo doesn't seem like they're teammates, and everyone else seems varying degrees of townie. Therefore I will be examining Mac/Made interactions to see if there's anything that would point away from a team of those two, and (speculatively) Guillo as the poisoner.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:11 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:07 pm If Mac is scum I think his partner is >90% to be Made. His bickering with Guillo doesn't seem like they're teammates, and everyone else seems varying degrees of townie. Therefore I will be examining Mac/Made interactions to see if there's anything that would point away from a team of those two, and (speculatively) Guillo as the poisoner.

I am not mafia and I am not the poisoner. I am however a fantastic dancer.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:11 pm Made's ISO contains no meaningful interactions with either Mac or Guillo.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:11 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:07 pm If Mac is scum I think his partner is >90% to be Made. His bickering with Guillo doesn't seem like they're teammates, and everyone else seems varying degrees of townie. Therefore I will be examining Mac/Made interactions to see if there's anything that would point away from a team of those two, and (speculatively) Guillo as the poisoner.

I am not mafia and I am not the poisoner. I am however a fantastic dancer.

Full claim?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:10 pm I already am down with just killing the POE that contains me. I said as much yesterday.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:10 pm I already am down with just killing the POE that contains me. I said as much yesterday.

Who else is in that POE group?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:04 pm On the third hand there is something very strange going on with the poison this game because it has weird targeting this game and I don't know what to make of that. Which increases the chances that two poison healer makes sense somehow.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:14 pm I am a town mason and my partner can clear me at any time and i can clear my partner.
So i suggest to focus in other theories.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:14 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:04 pm On the third hand there is something very strange going on with the poison this game because it has weird targeting this game and I don't know what to make of that. Which increases the chances that two poison healer makes sense somehow.

I'm not sure I follow as to how that in particular increases the chance of two poisoner healers.

I mean, even so, if I were mafia those poisons are likely NK targets for me. The same applies if I were the actual poisoner. It's what I nervously attach myself to doing when there are players who I feel can out-town me and I think they will survive to F-X; I just target the more deletable targets in the hopes that town paranoia rips itself apart.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:13 pm Let's just vote Made to be honest.

Like what even is the mafia team if Made is town? Is it Mac + Guillo? Is it [Mac/Guillo] + Allcrab who ripped off LoMo's watcher result and TMI'd bunny and has been skating by ever since? It is one of those + Martin who has fooled me?

I am not inspired by any of these possibilities. A mafia team with Made in it makes the most sense regardless of anyone else's alignment.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:10 pm I already am down with just killing the POE that contains me. I said as much yesterday.

Who else is in that POE group?

All those names of people you was saying I dunno. Its your list and you expect me to memorise it?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:15 pm I wish someone had have cop checked me by now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:17 pm Made is the most likely to be eliminated today, so it's not something I am inclined to talk about much on its own yet. I'm looking for relationships and other suspects tangential to him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:10 pm I already am down with just killing the POE that contains me. I said as much yesterday.

Who else is in that POE group?

All those names of people you was saying I dunno. Its your list and you expect me to memorise it?

It's not my list. It's a combined effort of numerous players including me. Stop trying to make this game some kind of Jay Emperor thing when it has never been that at any juncture. Who's your POE pool?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:15 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:14 pm I am a town mason and my partner can clear me at any time and i can clear my partner.
So i suggest to focus in other theories.

Is your partner in the following group: [Mac, Made, Allcrab, Martin]?

If the answer is yes say so now.