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mp I think so yes, however there are more civs with btsc than I realized so I'm not sure tge simple suggestion of contact is enough for a vote now. tgey remain on my shortlist for now. the kate roxy connection is bigger atm for me. and I eill eeread heman again later tonight to see how it reads now.

Well, I just looked at those posts of Snowie's during Night 1 again, and I'm still not sure I see it. It just seems like regular Snow Dog to me. I really don't think he'd be posting that way if he had BTSC, but maybe you're right. It's hard to say because this is his first mafia game, but I know his posting style from PA and it seems nothing irregular to me. Additionally, I do know that judging newbies in Avant-Garde 2 for "weird" behavior is what ended up screwing the civvies out of their chances to win, so I'm leaning towards it being just Anna having no idea what she was doing -- especially since she was obviously not paying attention to the game after her first post.

That being said, it is something to consider, ESPECIALLY if he or indiglo is found to be bad first, then the other very well might be on the same team. But why put yourself out like that and draw attention as it obviously did? Being as though baddie teams both have 6 people, I'm not sure I see it as a newbie idea that just 2 people came up with and decided to go with, you know?

I'm starting to wonder about that with Rox and Kate too. Why connect yourself like that; is it really worth the risk? What if baddies just as easily leeched onto votes for LT or myself as well? That being said, I'm very interested to see what Kate has to say with regards to her alleged connection with Rox.

Linkitis with SE, Epignosis, AND timmer. Wow. Lol. Welcome The-untamed, see you later KeaponLaffin!

timmer wrote:mp I think so yes, however there are more civs with btsc than I realized so I'm not sure tge simple suggestion of contact is enough for a vote now. tgey remain on my shortlist for now. the kate roxy connection is bigger atm for me. and I eill eeread heman again later tonight to see how it reads now.

I think I need to re-read He-Man too. It could have been perhaps I WAS onto something. Dammit. I hate when it seems something is so certain and then it gets thrown for a loop.

I mean, it was good in this case. You're still alive (assuming you are a civvie or a civvie-oriented indie, that is good... otherwise, it still could be worse) and we have another Snake Mountain member gone.

I guess this all explains why Timmer was lynched (well, voted for) unanimously. This means that Merman didn't have anything to do with that then, as LT implied. Weird...

I need to re-read more, for sure. But I need to go to bed more because I still have more studying to do and my test date is approaching, so I might not be as incredibly crazy active as I have been through Wednesday afternoon. I'll see what I can do though.

Good result again!
and so much to re-read.

AllAlongTheBoardwalk wrote:Good result again!
and so much to re-read.

You're not kidding. Let me know if you find anything. This goes for anyone else who is able to talk for that matter.

It's bed time for me now, and I'll likely not have any time tomorrow, maybe I can find a half hour tops or something. Bah.

And yes, Melvins ftw, I second this.

timmer wrote:I just did a readback through Roxy's posts. While she sort of defends a few people here and there, it was all done very carefully, so I can't see much in the way of connections with people. She voted for Kate for something during the night, was that the shield thing? That's about all I saw.

As for Snow Dog, I'd like people (who can talk) to reread his night posts with AnnaDanielle and tell me what you think. To me, it sounds like nubs trying to set something up. And there are plenty more baddies with btsc than civvies. More opinions are needed, though, I'm far from sure about it.

I agree that looking into these two is a good idea, I also remember being pinged slightly by Vompatti but I need to re-read to get a feel for why, I want to say it was a weird vote earlier but I'm not sure. Speaking of, does anyone have all the votes still?

As far as Timmer, I was thinking he was Modulok but as Modulok attempted the night kill I really don't think he is anymore. Which I guess leaves one of the indie roles or something else that I am overlooking.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, I just looked at those posts of Snowie's during Night 1 again, and I'm still not sure I see it. It just seems like regular Snow Dog to me. I really don't think he'd be posting that way if he had BTSC, but maybe you're right. It's hard to say because this is his first mafia game, but I know his posting style from PA and it seems nothing irregular to me. Additionally, I do know that judging newbies in Avant-Garde 2 for "weird" behavior is what ended up screwing the civvies out of their chances to win, so I'm leaning towards it being just Anna having no idea what she was doing -- especially since she was obviously not paying attention to the game after her first post.

That being said, it is something to consider, ESPECIALLY if he or indiglo is found to be bad first, then the other very well might be on the same team. But why put yourself out like that and draw attention as it obviously did? Being as though baddie teams both have 6 people, I'm not sure I see it as a newbie idea that just 2 people came up with and decided to go with, you know?

I'm starting to wonder about that with Rox and Kate too. Why connect yourself like that; is it really worth the risk? What if baddies just as easily leeched onto votes for LT or myself as well? That being said, I'm very interested to see what Kate has to say with regards to her alleged connection with Rox.

Linkitis with SE, Epignosis, AND timmer. Wow. Lol. Welcome The-untamed, see you later KeaponLaffin!

I'm kinda drubnk so i Dont wan to tsay too much, but if you know snow dog from tanother site, i'l consider that. I don't him. or annabelle. So I'll take that under advisement. Ang Lee won best director, my night is gold. Goodnight.

timmer wrote:I just did a readback through Roxy's posts. While she sort of defends a few people here and there, it was all done very carefully, so I can't see much in the way of connections with people. She voted for Kate for something during the night, was that the shield thing? That's about all I saw.

As for Snow Dog, I'd like people (who can talk) to reread his night posts with AnnaDanielle and tell me what you think. To me, it sounds like nubs trying to set something up. And there are plenty more baddies with btsc than civvies. More opinions are needed, though, I'm far from sure about it.

I didn't have any night posts with AnnaDanielle. She barely posted at all and has now left the game. How can anything be going on with a player who barely played?

And welcome Stormcrow and The-untaimed!!

Rih evil lyn yay!!

As for DH yeah im all for putting him under the Spotlight a bit more today

Hi, thank you for the welcome This is my first game.

To be honest, Snow Dog hasn't been setting off any alarm bells for me, but I am suspicious of indglo, because of the way he immediately started making excuses for AnnaDanielle. "Oh, she's probably just new, don't worry. Nothing to see here."

thellama73 wrote:To be honest, Snow Dog hasn't been setting off any alarm bells for me, but I am suspicious of indglo, because of the way he immediately started making excuses for AnnaDanielle. "Oh, she's probably just new, don't worry. Nothing to see here."

Well if she is civ then is nothing to see there. Anne didn't play the game yeah she made a vote but no on will no the reason for it. So for now indigo who is a she is cool with me

So does anyone have an idea why it was Roxy who got hit by the attempted lynch on timmer instead of, say, a random civvie?

And I know some people have said they want to hear more from Kate today, but she ate spider so that's not happening. While her Roxy connection is interesting, it's not enough for her to get my lynch vote today. I'm not saying all spider eaters should be given a free pass today, but I feel more comfortable giving people a chance to defend themselves if we can find a suspicious candidate
among the talkers.

Linki with he-man: indiglo, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the game so far. You have the freshest read of anyone, and given that there seems to be mild suspicion directed at you maybe you can suggest other candidates?

By the way, welcome to stormcrow! Do you have any thoughts so far?

Even though I voted timmer first nothing happened to me. He seems bent on throwing suspicion on me though.

Russtifinko wrote:So does anyone have an idea why it was Roxy who got hit by the attempted lynch on timmer instead of, say, a random civvie?

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I thought it was a result of eating all four meats. Or some combination of the four.

You know what? I'm sick and about to have a 13 hour day at work, so I'm going to go ahead and vote for Kate. I'll tell you why:
1. I am pretty sure she is bad, and I am less sure about everyone else,. I don't want to risk killing a civvie if I can help it.
2. It's Snake Mountain's turn to kill next, so the fewer players they have on their team the better.
3. Most of the other people I suspect and might have voted for ate Furlong, and based on the description I am worried that they will be shielded from lynch attempts due to the strength they got from the panther.

Okay, this might be my only post all day, just because I still feel like I have so much studying to do before I'm really ready for this thing. I know, you guys are all probably sad about that one.
And you know what, llama, I am sick too, dammit. I started feeling pretty terrible yesterday. It HAD to be right when I've been preparing for my exam. Thankfully, some Sudafed has been keeping me mostly normal.

While I totally understand the sentiment of your vote, llama, I would like to hear what she has to say, and unfortunately she can't talk yet. That being said, I do think she could be Roxy's teammate for sure, so I'm not against a Kate lynch.

As to who asked about Vompatti (I think it was AATB), reading him can be very difficult, as his 'normal' isn't exactly easy to define. I have a hard in his direction as well, but I haven't been reading him as having bad intentions so far. I don't know he'd be getting my vote anytime soon. But again, I need to re-read, which I likely won't get to do until after my test is over, unfortunately.

timmer wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, I just looked at those posts of Snowie's during Night 1 again, and I'm still not sure I see it. It just seems like regular Snow Dog to me. I really don't think he'd be posting that way if he had BTSC, but maybe you're right. It's hard to say because this is his first mafia game, but I know his posting style from PA and it seems nothing irregular to me. Additionally, I do know that judging newbies in Avant-Garde 2 for "weird" behavior is what ended up screwing the civvies out of their chances to win, so I'm leaning towards it being just Anna having no idea what she was doing -- especially since she was obviously not paying attention to the game after her first post.

That being said, it is something to consider, ESPECIALLY if he or indiglo is found to be bad first, then the other very well might be on the same team. But why put yourself out like that and draw attention as it obviously did? Being as though baddie teams both have 6 people, I'm not sure I see it as a newbie idea that just 2 people came up with and decided to go with, you know?

I'm starting to wonder about that with Rox and Kate too. Why connect yourself like that; is it really worth the risk? What if baddies just as easily leeched onto votes for LT or myself as well? That being said, I'm very interested to see what Kate has to say with regards to her alleged connection with Rox.

Linkitis with SE, Epignosis, AND timmer. Wow. Lol. Welcome The-untamed, see you later KeaponLaffin!

I'm kinda drubnk so i Dont wan to tsay too much, but if you know snow dog from tanother site, i'l consider that. I don't him. or annabelle. So I'll take that under advisement. Ang Lee won best director, my night is gold. Goodnight.

I do; I've interacted with him on some level for a few years over at ProgArchives (same with Epignosis, DisgruntledPorcupine, Vompatti, etc.). I'm entertaining that you could be right, but I'm very much reading it as not very likely BTSC, and if they do, then they might be civvie. And if one flips SM or Horde, THEN you are probably onto something. But to use that alone as a basis for my suspicion when I haven't been reading him that way... I don't know. I can't help but shake the feeling that if he had BTSC he wouldn't be posting that way, OR, even that the way he has been posting isn't indicative at all either way. He's seemed genuine to me. For whatever that's worth.

Russtifinko wrote:So does anyone have an idea why it was Roxy who got hit by the attempted lynch on timmer instead of, say, a random civvie?

And I know some people have said they want to hear more from Kate today, but she ate spider so that's not happening. While her Roxy connection is interesting, it's not enough for her to get my lynch vote today. I'm not saying all spider eaters should be given a free pass today, but I feel more comfortable giving people a chance to defend themselves if we can find a suspicious candidate
among the talkers.

Linki with he-man: indiglo, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the game so far. You have the freshest read of anyone, and given that there seems to be mild suspicion directed at you maybe you can suggest other candidates?

I don't know, but I would guess maybe Timmer is Zodac and it has something to do with his secret power. That's my best guess because it seems strange. Not complaining though!

I'm interested to see what indi has to say as well, in addition to everyone else. I don't feel comfortable enough with my vote for anyone in particular to give it away yet. Even though I won't have the chance for a full re-read any time soon, maybe I'll re-read a few people in particular -- Kate, DH, He-Man, Vomps, BWT, etc.

Although DH is really scaring me still. I mean SUPER SCARY STUFF HERE.

thellama73 wrote:You know what? I'm sick and about to have a 13 hour day at work, so I'm going to go ahead and vote for Kate. I'll tell you why:
1. I am pretty sure she is bad, and I am less sure about everyone else,. I don't want to risk killing a civvie if I can help it.
2. It's Snake Mountain's turn to kill next, so the fewer players they have on their team the better.
3. Most of the other people I suspect and might have voted for ate Furlong, and based on the description I am worried that they will be shielded from lynch attempts due to the strength they got from the panther.

Oh, and I forgot to say -- this is a really interesting theory. I hadn't thought of that. How confident do you feel in this, and in the fact that Kate is bad? You say "pretty sure", so I'm just trying to get a handle on the gauge of your suspicion here.

Can I just say a quick Hi to MP and to thank you very much for inviting me over from PA to play this game.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:You know what? I'm sick and about to have a 13 hour day at work, so I'm going to go ahead and vote for Kate. I'll tell you why:
1. I am pretty sure she is bad, and I am less sure about everyone else,. I don't want to risk killing a civvie if I can help it.
2. It's Snake Mountain's turn to kill next, so the fewer players they have on their team the better.
3. Most of the other people I suspect and might have voted for ate Furlong, and based on the description I am worried that they will be shielded from lynch attempts due to the strength they got from the panther.

Oh, and I forgot to say -- this is a really interesting theory. I hadn't thought of that. How confident do you feel in this, and in the fact that Kate is bad? You say "pretty sure", so I'm just trying to get a handle on the gauge of your suspicion here.

I'm kinda put off by her avatar for her to be bad so I'm no judge.

MP and llama, would you believe I'm also getting sick too? Thankfully I think it's just a stupid cold, so the next few days will stink a little bit with it. But nothing too serious.

I just started my re-read of Kate and just finished my re-read of DH. To be honest, I'm not really seeing the DH suspicion much outside of him being extremely quiet in this game. That being said, I could be totally wrong and MP could be on to something. Is there something else that has pinged anyone with him?

Alright. Time to read up again on Kate some.

Russtifinko wrote:By the way, welcome to stormcrow! Do you have any thoughts so far?

I don't know, really. I've only just started.

Pretty quiet around with all those spider eaters silenced.

bump

AllAlongTheBoardwalk wrote:

timmer wrote:I just did a readback through Roxy's posts. While she sort of defends a few people here and there, it was all done very carefully, so I can't see much in the way of connections with people. She voted for Kate for something during the night, was that the shield thing? That's about all I saw.

As for Snow Dog, I'd like people (who can talk) to reread his night posts with AnnaDanielle and tell me what you think. To me, it sounds like nubs trying to set something up. And there are plenty more baddies with btsc than civvies. More opinions are needed, though, I'm far from sure about it.

I agree that looking into these two is a good idea, I also remember being pinged slightly by Vompatti but I need to re-read to get a feel for why, I want to say it was a weird vote earlier but I'm not sure. Speaking of, does anyone have all the votes still?

If you're referring to the Snow Dog vote I don't think it was that weird. It might have seemed weird because everyone(?) else voted for Timmer.

Yeah, that was it...seemed weird at the time but definitely makes more sense now.

Sorry guys, meant to quote the previous Vompatti post there, so that is what I was referring to.

Welcome juliets. Now we need romeos.

Welcome juliets. Now we need romeos.

Snow Dog wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:So does anyone have an idea why it was Roxy who got hit by the attempted lynch on timmer instead of, say, a random civvie?

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I thought it was a result of eating all four meats. Or some combination of the four.

Re: This post. can someone clear this up for me? It says Roxy was lynched. So does that mean she wasn't killed by other means than the vote?

What i mean is if an accidental death (if possible) or an NK is successful would it be called a lynching?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:You know what? I'm sick and about to have a 13 hour day at work, so I'm going to go ahead and vote for Kate. I'll tell you why:
1. I am pretty sure she is bad, and I am less sure about everyone else,. I don't want to risk killing a civvie if I can help it.
2. It's Snake Mountain's turn to kill next, so the fewer players they have on their team the better.
3. Most of the other people I suspect and might have voted for ate Furlong, and based on the description I am worried that they will be shielded from lynch attempts due to the strength they got from the panther.

Oh, and I forgot to say -- this is a really interesting theory. I hadn't thought of that. How confident do you feel in this, and in the fact that Kate is bad? You say "pretty sure", so I'm just trying to get a handle on the gauge of your suspicion here.

I would say 85% sure that Kate is no good. As for the Furlong theory, look at what Rob said:

Epignosis wrote:
Of the wild offerings, the furlong meat proved both the most satisfying and refreshing. A few among them felt so invigorated that they claimed they could deal with any challenge that came their way, much to the chagrin of those who had made other choices.

...

But AcesofSpaces slipped one hand free, and with it, he pried the clubby hand from his face and brought it close to his mouth, and in between the teeth that, just moments before had chewed through furlong fat, tore at mutant flesh.

AceofSpaces voted Furlong and survived a night kill. Could be another reason, but looks like it could be causal to me.

Vompatti wrote:bump

Oh the memories

Snow Dog, from what I've gathered a lynch means Roxy's death was related to the vote, although a more experienced player would probably be able to answer more definitively.

MP, I know you're busy studying, but could you elaborate on the SUPER SCARY STUFF DH is doing? That's your strongest wording yet, I believe, and I'd like to know what's behind it.

He-Man, what happened to your gung-ho, baddie-lynching attitude frön the beginning of the game? You've been quieter lately, and I'm wondering if it's from a simple lack of solid suspicions or something else.

Still very undecided on my vote. I doubt Kate will be getting it yet. Though she may very well be a baddie, the Roxy connection isn't solid enough for me to base my vote on 100%.

I think Heman is being quiet to not attract attention, personally.

And if a death says lynch, it's a lynch. I've never lynches delayed until the end of the night before, so Epig has something funky going on.

I'm not sure why timmer has gained any kind of civ cred I very much think he is bad and it's likely where my vote will go.

Russ and tim I've been at work hense my quietness however I did say yesterday that day was was crazy and it exhausted me hense me talking less.

I wonder if any of the new crew have any thoughts on who to lynch. Stormcrow, The-untamed, juliets?

There is a lot to catch up on it could take the a while.

He-Man wrote:There is a lot to catch up on it could take the a while.

I've been here from the off and I don't bleedin' know.

Snow Dog wrote:Can I just say a quick Hi to MP and to thank you very much for inviting me over from PA to play this game.

You're welcome! I'm always glad to assist with more mafia converts.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:MP and llama, would you believe I'm also getting sick too? Thankfully I think it's just a stupid cold, so the next few days will stink a little bit with it. But nothing too serious.

I just started my re-read of Kate and just finished my re-read of DH. To be honest, I'm not really seeing the DH suspicion much outside of him being extremely quiet in this game. That being said, I could be totally wrong and MP could be on to something. Is there something else that has pinged anyone with him?

Alright. Time to read up again on Kate some.

God damn cold is what I have too. It sucks! But you're right, it's nothing too serious. Just annoying especially when you're preparing for REG. Lol.

How could you not see the DH suspicion? He is SUSPICIOUSLY SUSPICIOUS I SAY.

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:You know what? I'm sick and about to have a 13 hour day at work, so I'm going to go ahead and vote for Kate. I'll tell you why:
1. I am pretty sure she is bad, and I am less sure about everyone else,. I don't want to risk killing a civvie if I can help it.
2. It's Snake Mountain's turn to kill next, so the fewer players they have on their team the better.
3. Most of the other people I suspect and might have voted for ate Furlong, and based on the description I am worried that they will be shielded from lynch attempts due to the strength they got from the panther.

Oh, and I forgot to say -- this is a really interesting theory. I hadn't thought of that. How confident do you feel in this, and in the fact that Kate is bad? You say "pretty sure", so I'm just trying to get a handle on the gauge of your suspicion here.

I would say 85% sure that Kate is no good. As for the Furlong theory, look at what Rob said:

Epignosis wrote:
Of the wild offerings, the furlong meat proved both the most satisfying and refreshing. A few among them felt so invigorated that they claimed they could deal with any challenge that came their way, much to the chagrin of those who had made other choices.

...

But AcesofSpaces slipped one hand free, and with it, he pried the clubby hand from his face and brought it close to his mouth, and in between the teeth that, just moments before had chewed through furlong fat, tore at mutant flesh.

AceofSpaces voted Furlong and survived a night kill. Could be another reason, but looks like it could be causal to me.

Awesome observation here, you're probably right. And thanks for the clarification. That's a strong opinion of Kate that perhaps should be utilized. Then again, I hate that she can't defend herself. Damn you spiders!

Russtifinko wrote:Snow Dog, from what I've gathered a lynch means Roxy's death was related to the vote, although a more experienced player would probably be able to answer more definitively.

MP, I know you're busy studying, but could you elaborate on the SUPER SCARY STUFF DH is doing? That's your strongest wording yet, I believe, and I'd like to know what's behind it.

He-Man, what happened to your gung-ho, baddie-lynching attitude frön the beginning of the game? You've been quieter lately, and I'm wondering if it's from a simple lack of solid suspicions or something else.

Still very undecided on my vote. I doubt Kate will be getting it yet. Though she may very well be a baddie, the Roxy connection isn't solid enough for me to base my vote on 100%.

I'm pretty sure Rox's death was from the lynch. Why it was delayed, however, I don't know. I've never seen these weird delayed lynches in any mafia game before.

I can't elaborate, sorry, other than he's SUPER SCARY. And super quiet. Notice how he hasn't even posted even though he's not silenced by the spider? Very scary! In fact, I am going to vote for him RIGHT NOW because I doubt I'll be back in time... I probably won't be back until Wednesday afternoon after the test is over. AND because I can't hold it in any longer. My vote was destined for DH since the day period started!

votes DharmaHelper

He-Man wrote:I'm not sure why timmer has gained any kind of civ cred I very much think he is bad and it's likely where my vote will go.

Russ and tim I've been at work hense my quietness however I did say yesterday that day was was crazy and it exhausted me hense me talking less.

This is pretty suspicious. I think Timmer and Russ might be on the right page when they say He-Man has sort of propped his legs up and sat back now. Definitely not a good sign.

I would support a He-Man (first) or Kate (second) lynch... probably. It's hard to say because I haven't had ANY time to re-read or do anything but catch up quickly and write these posts, sorry.

But, DH! DH is super bad and he deserves my vote at least.

Mp your super flip floppy this game, first Im suspicioius then Im not then Im suspicious then Im not...dude make your mind up.

I have not sat back at all, I'm here, I'm fighting, the reason I'm not as active is because I'm not being challenged for my 'normal' behaviour, I say not I mean wasn't as its all systems go again.

Timmer, I think is bad still, and I note everyone who is giving him a free pass eyeing you MP. yeah he probably wasnt snake mountain but that doesnt mean he is not the Horde.

reywas I have a BIG eye on him he simply has been taking a back seat I want to see much more from him. his vote history is meh .. FH too she is pinging me as someone flying low right now, she has not been very helpful same with Space daisy tbh what she has made like 7 posts or something, and what has she said not a fat lot tbh.

also an eye for spaghetti everywhere, he was quite prolific in my near downturn on day one yet where is he now? is he silenced even yesterday I dont think we saw much of him.

but the problem with my suspicions is that they cant talk today and well thats not great to building a case on the defensless.

I look forward to seeiing the return of all the silenced players tbh

as for kate, meh, I'm not seeing her as susoicious right now, I could be wrong but dont feel she has done anything to warrant a vote SO EARLY in the day when she has no defense and there is plenty of time to discuss others.

pahhh there, plenty of to say still but not much for me to feel comfortable to throw anyone to the wolves.

but yeah MP, you are mr flip flopper 2013

hi everyone, just wanted to let you know I'm here and should be caught up by the end of the day.

Welcome, juliets. We'll be interested to hear your thoughts.

juliets wrote:hi everyone, just wanted to let you know I'm here and should be caught up by the end of the day.

Hi juliets. Plenty to read there.

I think it's fairly obvious what's going on with MP's suspicion of me. And as for my quietness, I'll try not to be as quiet.

DharmaHelper wrote:I think it's fairly obvious what's going on with MP's suspicion of me. And as for my quietness, I'll try not to be as quiet.

Care to elaborate on that? What's going on with MP's suspicion of you?