The Syndicate

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Roxy wrote:Epig and llama - this is just Porcu's playstyle.

It may be his playstyle, but it doesn't mean he is good.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote: Talk about a really sudden vote. :O

Talk about another one.

*Votes DP*

Any reason you're targeting me in particular? Not any other lower posters?

Yes, I don't trust you.

Regarding targeting low posters in general. We just had a vote in the MOTU thread in which only four of the twelve survivors posted because of everyone's aversion to voting for low posters. I don't like thta kind of endgame, and I don't want the same thing to happen here.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Roxy wrote:Epig and llama - this is just Porcu's playstyle.

It may be his playstyle, but it doesn't mean he is good.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote: Talk about a really sudden vote. :O

Talk about another one.

*Votes DP*

Any reason you're targeting me in particular? Not any other lower posters?

It isn't just your low posting. You say nothing when you do post.

Snow Dog wrote: I meant I don't know what bear watching means. Still don't.

Bear Watching:

Votes epig

Snow Dog wrote:

Roxy wrote:Also I may as well vote now as well *votes the Epig*

Linky with Snow Dog - you said 'Nonsense' to one of my posts I was just responding - now you know what it meant.

also your vote on DP is suspicious b/c you have laid out zero suspicions on him except he is not posting enough to suit you. With all the others who have been talked about and all the thread evidence given to them why you would choose to vote this way only serves to make you more suspicious imo.
You even considered not voting which is hilarious with all the different suspicions abounding in this thread. I think I was right to be suspicious of you Day 0 and Day 1. Just b/c you think he is safe he may not be remember MP's lynch???

I meant I don't know what bear watching means. Still don't.
If I was baddie I would follow the crowd and vote Epi. As an independant civ I voted with conscience.

With my conscience it should read.

thellama73 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote: I meant I don't know what bear watching means. Still don't.

Bear Watching:

Well.....I haven't been doing that!

Llama - my last post directed to Snow Dog and his vote should be read by you as well as now it applies to you. You are now back on my watch list.

Snow Dog - bear waching as in I will track your movements during game and see how your future suspicions progress.

Roxy wrote:Llama - my last post directed to Snow Dog and his vote should be read by you as well as now it applies to you. You are now back on my watch list.

Snow Dog - bear waching as in I will track your movements during game and see how your future suspicions progress.

That's fair. I think DP is bad, so I voted for him. If that makes me suspicious, so be it.

Also llama you really can't compare any other game to Epi's. His is the only game that I have played where non-posters/no-shows/non-voters were not Mod Killed by the host. I know he has his reasons but as I state I have never seen this in the 100's of games I have played.

Roxy wrote:Llama - my last post directed to Snow Dog and his vote should be read by you as well as now it applies to you. You are now back on my watch list.

Snow Dog - bear waching as in I will track your movements during game and see how your future suspicions progress.

Wow. Thank you. And I will be watching you in return. You are on MY suspicion list also.

thellama73 wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Roxy wrote:Epig and llama - this is just Porcu's playstyle.

It may be his playstyle, but it doesn't mean he is good.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote: Talk about a really sudden vote. :O

Talk about another one.

*Votes DP*

Any reason you're targeting me in particular? Not any other lower posters?

Yes, I don't trust you.

Alright so I read back. At first you thought Elohcin (another low poster) was bad, and on a team with Rob, who you also think is bad. You also thought it was weird she suddenly followed suit on your vote for me, something I also find strange. Then suddenly you decide you do not trust me for... whatever reason. And vote for me.

Snow Dog wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Roxy wrote:Epig and llama - this is just Porcu's playstyle.

It may be his playstyle, but it doesn't mean he is good.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote: Talk about a really sudden vote. :O

Talk about another one.

*Votes DP*

Any reason you're targeting me in particular? Not any other lower posters?

It isn't just your low posting. You say nothing when you do post.

Well sorry. I tried to contribute a few thoughts after the lynch switch, but that's all I had. It's only day 2, I haven't fully found my bearings. I also have school and stuff (and a busy weekend ahead of me) to worry about, so you'll probably have this problem for a while in. But I'll try my hardest to make it work.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote: Alright so I read back. At first you thought Elohcin (another low poster) was bad, and on a team with Rob, who you also think is bad. You also thought it was weird she suddenly followed suit on your vote for me, something I also find strange. Then suddenly you decide you do not trust me for... whatever reason. And vote for me.

Not "suddenly decide." I haven't trusted you for a long time, which is why I voted for you on day one.

In any case, my vote managed to get you to contribute more than you have in the entire game so far, and I view that as a worthy accomplishment in itself.

thellama73 wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote: Alright so I read back. At first you thought Elohcin (another low poster) was bad, and on a team with Rob, who you also think is bad. You also thought it was weird she suddenly followed suit on your vote for me, something I also find strange. Then suddenly you decide you do not trust me for... whatever reason. And vote for me.

Not "suddenly decide." I haven't trusted you for a long time, which is why I voted for you on day one.

In any case, my vote managed to get you to contribute more than you have in the entire game so far, and I view that as a worthy accomplishment in itself.

Fair enough.

I am cool with that Snow Dog I have zero to hide

Roxy wrote:I am cool with that Snow Dog I have zero to hide

Neither have I.

Snow Dog wrote:

Roxy wrote:I am cool with that Snow Dog I have zero to hide

Neither have I.

Me neither!

Snow Dog wrote:

Roxy wrote:I am cool with that Snow Dog I have zero to hide

Neither have I.

If Epi flips bad, I'll be watching you too. Your defending of him and your sudden following suit with llama's vote just reads weird to me. No time to say more though, I have jazz band practice. I'll be back to argue with you guys more later maybe.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Roxy wrote:I am cool with that Snow Dog I have zero to hide

Neither have I.

If Epi flips bad, I'll be watching you too. Your defending of him and your sudden following suit with llama's vote just reads weird to me. No time to say more though, I have jazz band practice. I'll be back to argue with you guys more later maybe.

Couldn't of put it better myself

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:I have jazz band practice.

What instrument do you play?

thellama73 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Roxy wrote:I am cool with that Snow Dog I have zero to hide

Neither have I.

Me neither!

Yay we all agree (sort of) on a subject!!

Alright. Catching up now and then I will vote.

*posts off topic*


*affects gameplay*

indiglo wrote:*posts off topic*


*affects gameplay*

Stop that, you.

I'm voting again for the thellama73.

Nice knowing you Logan.

Epignosis wrote:I'm voting again for the thellama73.

Nice knowing you Logan.

I don't like the sound of that.

I hope you were referring to your own departure and not mine.

indiglo wrote:*posts off topic*


*affects gameplay*

Uh-oh llama I hope this doesn't mean he iis doing to you what he did to MP. :o

Need a break from studying.

One thing I thought of randomly while I was in between studying was that my theory on S~V~S could be even more flawed, given Epi and Elohcin might have looked very baddie after my death last night so it could be as simple as the kill was blocked and they were killing her to frame llama. Just another theory. That being said, I still thoroughly have my on her because her posts, especially during Night 1, were very strange.

Does anyone think it's strange how Snow Dog and llama are acting? I was thinking llama was civvie, and I still probably am, but I keep wondering. What I don't get is why would either of these players act this way if they were on Epi's team (assuming he flips baddie)? Wouldn't that effectively out them? Are they just being paranoid/irrational civvies? I'd appreciate some thoughts on this. But I suppose it can be discussed more after Epi's flip.

Epignosis wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:@Epi. I think that's rather a briliant idea. I guess anything is possible in these games. I was actually thinking if such a thing might be possible earlier. But what about the real Character that MP is supoposed to be...ax was it?

According to the Day 1 lynch, he was revealed to be the Full Iron Armor.

And if this is the case, then that means the real Full Iron Armor is around here and knows I'm right too.

Snow Dog wrote:I thought of a flaw Rob. herbivore or whatever killed on night 1 after MP was lynched....so how could he?

Herbivore.

If him being the Armor was a charade, perhaps being dead was too.

Or it may be that Herobrine resurrected and recruited MP.

What I'm saying is that MP isn't acting like I know him to act, especially on a Day TWO. I don't think he's on our side anymore, if he even was in the first place.

This is absolutely absurd. Seems you've taken pretty much every page out of the "I'm a baddie backed into a corner" book. It's a nice attempt, but every single thing you've posted since I've called you out as baddie has been clearly baddie behavior on your part. If you flip civvie, well, it will be reminiscent of when some newbies played civvie roles absolutely crazily the first time in Avant 2 (Droopy lynch comes to mind, but even he was acting way less suspicious than all the stuff you've thrown out), but I very highly doubt it.

Flyin' High wrote:Wow another huge catch-up! But I love the discussion going on.

First, Epig, I think your theory is really stretching and only serves to make you look more like a desperate baddie in my mind. As was already pointed out, Herobrine killed last night so MP can't have been him. And even if Herobrine hadn't killed, if someone else was Body Armor, they would have spoken up by now (indiglo posted during the night and if she was Body Armor, she would have used that opportunity to say MP wasn't that role).

Also Epignosis, having played many games over the years with MP, I can say that this is exactly how he acts when he has a theory--good or bad. So I don't think he insistence on getting you lynched is indicative of him having been recruited or any such thing. There is a civvie rezzer and I prefer to apply Occam's Razor--MP was lynched, he was revealed to be a civvie role, the civvie rezzer resurrected him--nothing nefarious about it.

I am going to *vote Epignosis* now because my opinion on his allegiance hasn't changed since yesterday when I also felt he was bad.

This is all very true.

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Yeah, I'm really not liking these recent happenings so...

votes Epi

Well that's really descriptive of you.

It's in keeping with everything else he's said so far this game. I don't know why people are so intent on giving him a free pass when he refuses to participate.

I am getting lynched BECAUSE I participated. Now I know better. Just remain quiet. Poke your head in every now and then and nod. You'll at least make it to Day 2 or 3 because it's "bad form" and really suspicious to vote off the quiet ones.

I pull this same crap when I'm baddie and I feel I'm unfairly lynched. It's not because you participated, actually, it's more because you failed to participate. Next time try seeming more like a civvie trying to catch baddies when you're baddie instead of NO U'ing.

All respect to you though, and I don't intend any arrogance with this. You've played well, but circumstances really kind of ripped you an extra butthole in this game. It happens to all of us.

Snow Dog wrote:

Roxy wrote:Llama - my last post directed to Snow Dog and his vote should be read by you as well as now it applies to you. You are now back on my watch list.

Snow Dog - bear waching as in I will track your movements during game and see how your future suspicions progress.

Wow. Thank you. And I will be watching you in return. You are on MY suspicion list also.

Snow Dog, you also seem an expert of the NO U this game. Why? Does everyone who thinks you're baddie have to be baddie? Can't they just be wrong?

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm voting again for the thellama73.

Nice knowing you Logan.

I don't like the sound of that.

I hope you were referring to your own departure and not mine.

I agree, this sounds creepy as all hell. Here's hoping Epig flips, and seeing there are no baddie secrets, I think he will.

So why did you vote DP instead of Epig anyway? Why not vote for Elohcin? She's not posting at all today, at least DP did. It's exactly as reywaS said; no one's giving DP a "free pass". In fact, when DP first started playing, I'll never forget how many times he was lynched early on in game after game after game, even quite often as a civvie.

I actually am always trying my best to give everyone the same BOTD but circumstances in mafia games can be interesting. I think tons of baddies often hide back in the low posters, but I have no reason to believe DP is doing that. Do you?

MovingPictures07 wrote: This is absolutely absurd. Seems you've taken pretty much every page out of the "I'm a baddie backed into a corner" book. It's a nice attempt, but every single thing you've posted since I've called you out as baddie has been clearly baddie behavior on your part. If you flip civvie, well, it will be reminiscent of when some newbies played civvie roles absolutely crazily the first time in Avant 2 (Droopy lynch comes to mind, but even he was acting way less suspicious than all the stuff you've thrown out), but I very highly doubt it.

I wasn't trying to convince you, now was I?

MovingPictures07 wrote: I pull this same crap when I'm baddie and I feel I'm unfairly lynched. It's not because you participated, actually, it's more because you failed to participate. Next time try seeming more like a civvie trying to catch baddies when you're baddie instead of NO U'ing.

I know what you pull, and I don't need advice from you.

Well Said MP I agree with everything you said!

MovingPictures07 wrote: So why did you vote DP instead of Epig anyway? Why not vote for Elohcin? She's not posting at all today, at least DP did. It's exactly as reywaS said; no one's giving DP a "free pass". In fact, when DP first started playing, I'll never forget how many times he was lynched early on in game after game after game, even quite often as a civvie.

Epi already had enough votes to assure that he would get the most, and by enough to prevent vote manipulation saving him. Given that, my vote no longer really mattered, so I registered my disapproval for DP by way of a second vote. If Epi flips baddie, Elohcin will undoubtedly be next, so there was no need to target her. I wanted to keep DP in the discussion and, as you see, I managed to provoke him into a real response, which pleased me a great deal. I am very happy with my vote right now.

Alright. I made it to almost the end of page 19 before I realized that Rob's backed himself into a corner, used every baddie trick in the book, and even gave one of the best theories I've ever seen: The one stating that perhaps MP is Herobrine. And was able to kill on a night. When MP was dead!!!

I don't need to read anymore from you, Robert. Your defense was pretty well thought-out, but you've done too much for me to believe large parts of it. And all the NO U's at Alex, the ignoring, the deflection of blame, the refusing to talk about certain people or events, and finally the theory on MP being Herobrine. After all, it's one of the best theories I've ever heard.

I don't really see how you're anything other than bad at this point. It's nothing personal, Rob. Just mafia after all.

Votes Robert

EBWOP: Oops! That should be:

Votes Epignosis

Also, some of SVS' more non-emotional posts have made me start to second guess her some. I think if Epig flips baddie, Elohcin is certainly the next best place to look. As for if SVS fits in that boat, I still think it's entirely possible. But I'm not quite as sure as I was last night.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: This is absolutely absurd. Seems you've taken pretty much every page out of the "I'm a baddie backed into a corner" book. It's a nice attempt, but every single thing you've posted since I've called you out as baddie has been clearly baddie behavior on your part. If you flip civvie, well, it will be reminiscent of when some newbies played civvie roles absolutely crazily the first time in Avant 2 (Droopy lynch comes to mind, but even he was acting way less suspicious than all the stuff you've thrown out), but I very highly doubt it.

I wasn't trying to convince you, now was I?

MovingPictures07 wrote: I pull this same crap when I'm baddie and I feel I'm unfairly lynched. It's not because you participated, actually, it's more because you failed to participate. Next time try seeming more like a civvie trying to catch baddies when you're baddie instead of NO U'ing.

I know what you pull, and I don't need advice from you.

Your happy faces here seem like evil death faces from hell, you know, when someone truly evil is trying to be overly nice. "I wasn't trying to convince you, now was I?" you say, as you smile, shaking my hand, and then STAB.

I'm sure it was your worst nightmare when you saw I was resurrected. Don't mess with me, man. Oh, wait, that's not the right emoticon. Where's the badass (surely this isn't a curse word?) civvie emoticon?

He-Man wrote:Well Said MP I agree with everything you said!

This is so weird, after how we acted towards each other in MOTU and in AHS in HV before that. Lol.

I know your gut and evaluation of mafia things can often be pretty valuable, so I appreciated your input on S~V~S. What do you think of llama, Snow Dog, BWT, and Boogs?

I'm not implying suspicion by listing any of these names, so these people need not reply. I'm trying to gauge what people think of others.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Also, some of SVS' more non-emotional posts have made me start to second guess her some. I think if Epig flips baddie, Elohcin is certainly the next best place to look. As for if SVS fits in that boat, I still think it's entirely possible. But I'm not quite as sure as I was last night.

I agree, it's very possible her tunnel vision on llama was affecting my gut as I was reading through all of her Night 1 posts. It just seemed to so weird to me that Elohcin and Epig were trying to deflect onto llama, the fact that he can be a very easy scapegoat, and all of her thoughts continuously seemed to be grasping at straws and it all made so much sense. I still think it very well could be true, but other than Epig and Elohcin, the other two members are a bit more ?? at the moment.

There is also the nasty business of the SK. Anyone have any thoughts here? I want to try and get all of my thoughts and as much discussion into the thread as we possibly can, while not overloading and overanalyzing, because in order to best help the civvies win this game and because I might be dying again really soon, unfortunately. I can't imagine the baddies will want to keep a confirmed civ around, but I don't know.

I need to get back to studying. Here's hoping for an awesome lynch result!

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Your happy faces here seem like evil death faces from hell, you know, when someone truly evil is trying to be overly nice. "I wasn't trying to convince you, now was I?" you say, as you smile, shaking my hand, and then STAB.

I meant what I said. I literally was not trying to convince you. Your mind was already made up, remember?

You poor puppet.

I think llama and snow dog need to be looked at if epig comes back bad, Boogs not sure. I'm finding his posts confusing tbh that's not a good thing IMO. No disrespect Boogs it's just how Isee your posts.

I'm getting civ vibes ATM from BWT

MovingPictures07 wrote: There is also the nasty business of the SK. Anyone have any thoughts here? I want to try and get all of my thoughts and as much discussion into the thread as we possibly can, while not overloading and overanalyzing, because in order to best help the civvies win this game and because I might be dying again really soon, unfortunately. I can't imagine the baddies will want to keep a confirmed civ around, but I don't know.

Yes, I am worried about you getting killed again as well. The nice thing about being an easy scapegoat is that the baddies have less of an incentive to kill me off!

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Your happy faces here seem like evil death faces from hell, you know, when someone truly evil is trying to be overly nice. "I wasn't trying to convince you, now was I?" you say, as you smile, shaking my hand, and then STAB.

I meant what I said. I literally was not trying to convince you. Your mind was already made up, remember?

You poor puppet.

Now you sound like this guy. "YOU ARE A PUPPET!!!!"

Okay, now seriously, see you guys later.

He-Man wrote:I think llama and snow dog need to be looked at if epig comes back bad, Boogs not sure. I'm finding his posts confusing tbh that's not a good thing IMO. No disrespect Boogs it's just how Isee your posts.

I'm getting civ vibes ATM from BWT

No offense taken. Trying to voice my opinion and theories.

I agree with you on Snow and Llama, I said on Day 1 the whole poll with them and uneasiness had me keep them on my radar, which is why I still voted Llama earlier today. I do think Epi's recent behavior (from that weird theory about MP coming back looking like the armor) tipped me over the fence and I still firmly believe now he will turn up bad and Elohcin is his teammate like I was saying yesterday.

I was just looking at the roles again and noticed the Spider. Does anyone think it is significant that no one was insanified today? Presumably the spider was just role blocked, but there may have been missing PMs, meaning that he may be an inactive player.

@Kate: Were there missing PMs from last night?

The Spider could have blocked Indiglo and the Rogue killed him maybe?

Boogs wrote:The Spider could have blocked Indiglo and the Rogue killed him maybe?

EBWOP: The spider could have Insanified Indiglo and the Rogue killed him maybe?

Boogs wrote:

Boogs wrote:The Spider could have blocked Indiglo and the Rogue killed him maybe?

EBWOP: The spider could have Insanified Indiglo and the Rogue killed him maybe?

Sherlock is that you?

Hello, just checking in.

The recent developments have made me really comfortable with my vote for Epig, so I'm hoping for the best there.

I know MP & Ambray were asking for my opinion of Boogs. FWIW I was with him in his apartment yesterday from 4 until 11ish, and any time we were catching up in the thread/posting, he wasn't deliberating in baddie chatrooms. For whatever that's worth. So any theories, etc etc is all him during that time period, he had no coaching or whatnot.

So far I have no reason to believe Boogs is bad beyond the fact that we don't seem to be thinking very similarly along the lines of who may be bad. He has pulled the wool over my eyes in games before but I'm leaning civvie on him so far. He is very smart and catches onto things quick, I literally watched him look at the first page and figure out the "oh wait the aether portal does such and such, someone is off the poll, let me find out who it was"

I hope that helps. Basically, I've introduced him to mafia & similar games before but nothing is ever as complicated as the roles we all make up. They have like 4 things: a vanilla townsperson, a doctor, a seer, and some werewolves. So I just think he is being bombarded with lots of different options/possibilities of logic hes not accustomed to being able to play with and taking steps to try and be helpful.

blindfaeth wrote:Hello, just checking in.

The recent developments have made me really comfortable with my vote for Epig, so I'm hoping for the best there.

I know MP & Ambray were asking for my opinion of Boogs. FWIW I was with him in his apartment yesterday from 4 until 11ish, and any time we were catching up in the thread/posting, he wasn't deliberating in baddie chatrooms. For whatever that's worth. So any theories, etc etc is all him during that time period, he had no coaching or whatnot.

So far I have no reason to believe Boogs is bad beyond the fact that we don't seem to be thinking very similarly along the lines of who may be bad. He has pulled the wool over my eyes in games before but I'm leaning civvie on him so far. He is very smart and catches onto things quick, I literally watched him look at the first page and figure out the "oh wait the aether portal does such and such, someone is off the poll, let me find out who it was"

I hope that helps. Basically, I've introduced him to mafia & similar games before but nothing is ever as complicated as the roles we all make up. They have like 4 things: a vanilla townsperson, a doctor, a seer, and some werewolves. So I just think he is being bombarded with lots of different options/possibilities of logic hes not accustomed to being able to play with and taking steps to try and be helpful.

thellama73 wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:I have jazz band practice.

What instrument do you play?

Bass.

blindfaeth wrote:Hello, just checking in.

The recent developments have made me really comfortable with my vote for Epig, so I'm hoping for the best there.

I know MP & Ambray were asking for my opinion of Boogs. FWIW I was with him in his apartment yesterday from 4 until 11ish, and any time we were catching up in the thread/posting, he wasn't deliberating in baddie chatrooms. For whatever that's worth. So any theories, etc etc is all him during that time period, he had no coaching or whatnot.

I always have this image of couples that play mafia...

Awkward dinner table conversations, "Oh, what were you doing on the computer just now?" "Nothing."

Ambray wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:Hello, just checking in.

The recent developments have made me really comfortable with my vote for Epig, so I'm hoping for the best there.

I know MP & Ambray were asking for my opinion of Boogs. FWIW I was with him in his apartment yesterday from 4 until 11ish, and any time we were catching up in the thread/posting, he wasn't deliberating in baddie chatrooms. For whatever that's worth. So any theories, etc etc is all him during that time period, he had no coaching or whatnot.

I always have this image of couples that play mafia...

Awkward dinner table conversations, "Oh, what were you doing on the computer just now?" "Nothing."

lol. That 'nothing' is really them sending in the kill for the person they've just said 'nothing' too.