The Syndicate

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:00 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:58 pm I thought the poll ended friday?

It's a speed game...

It's this stuff from you I don't buy.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:00 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:57 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:50 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:48 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:46 pm Actually answering the questions I pose would be not only just one way to get me to not suspect you, but a way to, you know, engage in a game.

Are you going to suggest I'm not engaged in the game?

No.
I'm suggesting that you are avoiding engaging with me in any genuine way.

That's true. With wilgy too. Why do you think that indicates I'm bad? Have you considered any other reasons why it might be?

This post does not make me feel great about Golden.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:02 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:00 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:57 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:50 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:48 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:46 pm Actually answering the questions I pose would be not only just one way to get me to not suspect you, but a way to, you know, engage in a game.

Are you going to suggest I'm not engaged in the game?

No.
I'm suggesting that you are avoiding engaging with me in any genuine way.

That's true. With wilgy too. Why do you think that indicates I'm bad? Have you considered any other reasons why it might be?

This post does not make me feel great about Golden.

Why? I've been entirely open about the fact that I don't intend to engage with these massive cases on me and copious questioning. Why would it come as a surprise to you now that I'm open about it?

The most important question is, why does that make me bad? The only logical response I can see is 'because I don't like it'. You don't have to like it.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:02 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:00 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:58 pm I thought the poll ended friday?

It's a speed game...

It's this stuff from you I don't buy.

I seriously doubt you think I am bad.
If I had BTSC, I would have definitely already asked them when the phase ended.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:58 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:53 pm Hmm, i see jack browsing here. but he hasnt said a thing since last night. im inclined to believe he is being forced to vote, not sure if that's been mentioned but it's my first thing im noticing when reviewing who is voting for who

I considered a forced vote. Since he's silent (been silenced?), he can't really tell us. Can the mod force a player's vote in the polls?

He could have been silenced, have info about Golden from some sort of info power, and wanted to give the town some direction.

Those are the only two reasons I could think of.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:04 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:02 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:00 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:57 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:50 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:48 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:46 pm Actually answering the questions I pose would be not only just one way to get me to not suspect you, but a way to, you know, engage in a game.

Are you going to suggest I'm not engaged in the game?

No.
I'm suggesting that you are avoiding engaging with me in any genuine way.

That's true. With wilgy too. Why do you think that indicates I'm bad? Have you considered any other reasons why it might be?

This post does not make me feel great about Golden.

Why? I've been entirely open about the fact that I don't intend to engage with these massive cases on me and copious questioning. Why would it come as a surprise to you now that I'm open about it?

The most important question is, why does that make me bad? The only logical response I can see is 'because I don't like it'. You don't have to like it.

No.
It shows no regard for building trust so the civvies can win.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:06 pm I don't want to play with Golden if he's gonna be a dick.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:06 pm Sprit - actually is rather lynch lc. But Dom would be fine.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:14 pm Golden, maybe you shouldn't just skim my posts for your name

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:39 pm and just probed Eloh.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:53 pm Hmm, i see jack browsing here. but he hasnt said a thing since last night. im inclined to believe he is being forced to vote, not sure if that's been mentioned but it's my first thing im noticing when reviewing who is voting for who

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:16 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:14 pm Golden, maybe you shouldn't just skim my posts for your name

Maybe you should take me less seriously. I'd rather lc die than you.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:27 pm Here's why I think LC is bad.

Bad LC forgets to play the ball. He gets driven into arguments that look good in semantics, but actually betray a lack of full thought. In this case, the ball is 'golden is avoiding LD statements'.

What is the first thing a person might do if they genuinely thought another player was avoiding LD statements? I would iso that player to see if it's accurate. I'd actually go look at how many LD statements they've made. I invite anyone to do that now.

You will see that my post history is full of 100% ironclad LD statements. My guess is that most of them amount to someone saying 'golden is bad' and me replying by saying 'you're wrong'. Because anyone who says I am bad is wrong. But I'm sure I've also given any number of other things that amount to 'I am civilian' or 'I am not bad'.

Instead, LC decides to fixate on the one statement I made that I knew could have the same effect even if all of those other statements were not allowed. He ignores the fact that I said 'I've made plenty' before making that one. He doesn't check to see if that's correct. He just fixates on the new ones I'm trying to think of that might enable me to beat any particular rule that could be in place. He wants to hang me because 'I don't know what rule might be in place', but if I actually were bad, don't you think I'd have asked what rule was in place?

I give him one that ought to be tailored right to his wheelhouse. LC has seen me in action both as a teammate and host. He knows that I do not bail on taking part of a team for any phase unless I really have to. What's his comeback? He agrees that I wouldn't fail to take part if I could, but I might have been too busy. A person who has a real suspicion, and was playing the ball, would go and look to see if that made sense in context, not just throw it out as a hypothetical. In fact, looking at the thread, it is very clear that I was entirely here and could have taken part.

LC is playing me, the player, he isn't actually looking to see whether I'm making LD statements.

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Btw, I'd also like to point out, in terms of 'towniness meter', that while I've thrown out reads on nearly everyone in the game without problem (and been happy to adapt those reads), this has been generally criticised by the same people who see me as bad. In the mean time, I think a quick iso of Dom and LC would show you a distinct lack of reads. They are getting by, mostly focusing on me.

Dom and LC, want to prove you aren't bad? Start engaging with more than your cases on me.

At this point, if I had my vote back, I'd probably lean a vote on LC before Dom. Dom tunnels do happen from town Dom, and I can see how me voting him could get under his skin in a way. But LCs tunnels are usually well reasoned - even if the theories are out there, they fit with a thoughtful analysis of the facts. This is completely lacking here... he isn't taking a step back to consider what I'm saying, it's just discredit discredit discredit. This is my experience of bad LC. I remember another game... Bullets over Broadway maybe? Where the same thing happened.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:17 pm (It's because that's bullshit. He knows I can get votes to die today and LC can't. LC is tomorrow's target)

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:18 pm is this the one i should read, golden?

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:23 pm golden has no fucking interest in anything i say that doesn't pertain to him.

golden is the only one responding to what i'm even saying so there's a erason why

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:17 pm I don't actually think Dom is bad. I could be totally wrong in my read of him, but I'm not currently reading him as bad. Golden, I think you're tunneling on him, which is part of why I think you're not bad. You tunnel less when you're bad.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:26 pmwell arent you just directing it all TOWARDS Golden?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:12 pm Dom. I don't like this back and forth you're having with golden. I think golden is civ, and even though this may be civ on civ, I don't think it is. You seem to be tunneling. Yes, you recently started engaging with others, but I think it's only to try to save yourself/make yourself look better. The interactions don't seem very genuine. Golden, on the other hand, has not only been taking part in the back and forth with you, but has also been playing what looks like a genuine and meaningful game, engaging in other conversations. It seems as though you may feel stuck in hole and you're only focused on climbing out of that hole. I've been in that position before as a baddie and know what it's like. I just cannot decide if I ought to vote you or take a chance that Tony may be marcus. It would be great to get any baddie today, but awesome to get the +2 vote guy.

With that in mind... what's the general thoughts on tony being marcus? It was mentioned and talked about a little bit earlier today but I haven't heard a general consensus. I don't stay up late like many of you and I need to vote soon. I'd love some feedback on my thoughts.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:02 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:00 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:58 pm I thought the poll ended friday?

It's a speed game...

It's this stuff from you I don't buy.

I seriously doubt you think I am bad.
If I had BTSC, I would have definitely already asked them when the phase ended.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:11 pm lynch me
i don't want to play if this is how we play now.

watch out for timmer never actually catching up. that's classic baddie timmer.
When I come up civ, remember how wrong Golden was. Remember how I was told repeatedly that I had written nothing when I wrote many posts giving well thought out reasons for him being bad

Watch out for INH hiding behind being *quirky*

Watch out Elo pretending she can't read my posts.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:26 pm Alright i think i see what youre getting at, Golden, and i can see why speedchuck would agree with you on voting LC, even though you already voted dom for, pressure was it? or it was just a gut read that you are okay with but still think LC is a better lynch?

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:26 pm Alright i think i see what youre getting at, Golden, and i can see why speedchuck would agree with you on voting LC, even though you already voted dom for, pressure was it? or it was just a gut read that you are okay with but still think LC is a better lynch?

linki:

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:23 pm golden has no fucking interest in anything i say that doesn't pertain to him.

golden is the only one responding to what i'm even saying so there's a erason why

well arent you just directing it all TOWARDS Golden?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:27 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:02 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:00 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:58 pm I thought the poll ended friday?

It's a speed game...

It's this stuff from you I don't buy.

I seriously doubt you think I am bad.
If I had BTSC, I would have definitely already asked them when the phase ended.

This I don't buy.

I have hosted so many games and been bad many times, and lately, BTSC is quiet. People go for days without talking.

I find it hard to believe that you would ask your teammates when the phase ended rather than take two seconds to scroll upward and look at the poll deadline.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:30 pm I want to give dom a chance to restart during the night phase, so im inclined to Vote LC

linki: @Dom, youre not helping yourself by getting defensive and flustered. Continuing to act that way will get people to vote you, like Eloh just did

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:11 pmwatch out for timmer never actually catching up. that's classic baddie timmer.
When I come up civ, remember how wrong Golden was. Remember how I was told repeatedly that I had written nothing when I wrote many posts giving well thought out reasons for him being bad

Watch out for INH hiding behind being *quirky*

Watch out Elo pretending she can't read my posts.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:28 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:11 pm lynch me
i don't want to play if this is how we play now.

watch out for timmer never actually catching up. that's classic baddie timmer.
When I come up civ, remember how wrong Golden was. Remember how I was told repeatedly that I had written nothing when I wrote many posts giving well thought out reasons for him being bad

Watch out for INH hiding behind being *quirky*

Watch out Elo pretending she can't read my posts.

WTF Dom, give a lady time to respond. I may be in the kitchen vacuuming up pepper that my 5 year old spilt all over the floor when reaching for a banana. Seriously. It just happened.

Thank you sprit for your response. I've made up my mind.

dom

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:32 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:11 pmwatch out for timmer never actually catching up. that's classic baddie timmer.
When I come up civ, remember how wrong Golden was. Remember how I was told repeatedly that I had written nothing when I wrote many posts giving well thought out reasons for him being bad

Watch out for INH hiding behind being *quirky*

Watch out Elo pretending she can't read my posts.

I love this post by the way. It's the point at which my mind on Dom began to turn.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:31 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:30 pm I want to give dom a chance to restart during the night phase, so im inclined to Vote LC

linki: @Dom, youre not helping yourself by getting defensive and flustered. Continuing to act that way will get people to vote you, like Eloh just did

maybe I want to be out.
Maybe I don't like how apparently we can be a dick to each other and that's called "playing the game"

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:31 pm I don't actually think TSP should follow through on his plan to prove he's not Marcus. It's too easily manipulated by the baddies, whether he is one or not.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:31 pm maybe I want to be out.
Maybe I don't like how apparently we can be a dick to each other and that's called "playing the game"