The Syndicate

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:03 am

Gemma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:44 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:21 am I hate her post about the Ultra case.

i dislike that she skirted around commenting on the ultra read, but i don't really have a problem with her saying that you're not a wolf with ultra.

The compatibility analysis is fair, but I don't think it belongs there at the time with her not even voting me yet, let alone having seen me flip.

I just don't see what was the purpose of the post, since she's not agreeing/disagreeing with the case on Ultra nor having a problem with me backing Speed on it. The "not sure I care about this post" is absolutely ridiculous in this context lol.

Feels like a way to shade someone for absolutely no reason and kind of force direct interaction preparing for a vote. She ended up doing the latter.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:06 am I could see an Ultra/Owner connection if I squint.

Gemma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:14 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:03 am

Gemma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:44 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:21 am I hate her post about the Ultra case.

i dislike that she skirted around commenting on the ultra read, but i don't really have a problem with her saying that you're not a wolf with ultra.

The compatibility analysis is fair, but I don't think it belongs there at the time with her not even voting me yet, let alone having seen me flip.

I just don't see what was the purpose of the post, since she's not agreeing/disagreeing with the case on Ultra nor having a problem with me backing Speed on it. The "not sure I care about this post" is absolutely ridiculous in this context lol.

Feels like a way to shade someone for absolutely no reason and kind of force direct interaction preparing for a vote. She ended up doing the latter.

i don't really get it either but there's a lot that has happened this game that i don't get, lol

what do you mean by force direct interaction

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:39 am

Gemma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:14 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:03 am

Gemma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:44 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:21 am I hate her post about the Ultra case.

i dislike that she skirted around commenting on the ultra read, but i don't really have a problem with her saying that you're not a wolf with ultra.

The compatibility analysis is fair, but I don't think it belongs there at the time with her not even voting me yet, let alone having seen me flip.

I just don't see what was the purpose of the post, since she's not agreeing/disagreeing with the case on Ultra nor having a problem with me backing Speed on it. The "not sure I care about this post" is absolutely ridiculous in this context lol.

Feels like a way to shade someone for absolutely no reason and kind of force direct interaction preparing for a vote. She ended up doing the latter.

i don't really get it either but there's a lot that has happened this game that i don't get, lol

what do you mean by force direct interaction

A faked ping to substantiate the read and the whole process.

I can't find another explanation for that quote and subtle shade lol.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:01 am My apologies for being MIA so far on D1; IRL is being a major thing (which one could tell by the fact that this is being posted at 4am my time). I’ll be here later when I’m actually awake with every intention to make a vote before EoD.

Gemma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:52 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:39 am

Gemma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:14 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:03 am

Gemma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:44 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:21 am I hate her post about the Ultra case.

i dislike that she skirted around commenting on the ultra read, but i don't really have a problem with her saying that you're not a wolf with ultra.

The compatibility analysis is fair, but I don't think it belongs there at the time with her not even voting me yet, let alone having seen me flip.

I just don't see what was the purpose of the post, since she's not agreeing/disagreeing with the case on Ultra nor having a problem with me backing Speed on it. The "not sure I care about this post" is absolutely ridiculous in this context lol.

Feels like a way to shade someone for absolutely no reason and kind of force direct interaction preparing for a vote. She ended up doing the latter.

i don't really get it either but there's a lot that has happened this game that i don't get, lol

what do you mean by force direct interaction

A faked ping to substantiate the read and the whole process.

I can't find another explanation for that quote and subtle shade lol.

why can't she just be town pointing out something randomly?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:34 pm I think Jay and Epi are teammates. They haven't attacked each other yet.

It seems like 85% of games since 2016 have featured some damned shit spew with him and/or Jack. Meh.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:31 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:29 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:39 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:22 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:17 am Always bad until I'm convinced otherwise.

Is that everyone or just yourself? I'm asking for a friend. *is curious* * (not related) wants to hear from M Plus 7*

JJJ often gets a pass in my experience for his voluminous content. I give him no such pass.

That said, I believe lynching him Day 1 is -EV in the long term, and thus will not be voting for him today.

What the hell did you just say?

Negative expected value. Meaning that I do not believe that lynching you Day 1 is a good long term strategy. If you're good, you do work. If you're bad, you can expose yourself and get caught later. Losing a civilian hustler early is a bad thing in general.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:35 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:33 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:31 am Negative expected value. Meaning that I do not believe that lynching you Day 1 is a good long term strategy. If you're good, you do work. If you're bad, you can expose yourself and get caught later. Losing a civilian hustler early is a bad thing in general.

Right I get the term. I just spent a couple minutes laughing at my laptop screen because you utilized that lingo.

You do know about my relationship with sports, right?

Spoiler: show

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:11 am Yo Mac I appreciate the defense but it's getting me paranoid

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:06 am I could see an Ultra/Owner connection if I squint.

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:14 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:18 pm

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:15 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:05 pm

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:32 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:19 am Talk to me about Jack. What do you see in his attitude?

read this post and let me know if there is any actual reasoning for a scumread in it

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:56 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:15 pm

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

Oof. Remember all the times DDL didn't do shit like this?

And remember the time he did shit like this to me when he was scum in Addams Family?

Bad reason to vote Speedchuck. Welcome to my scumreads.

What about this doesnt look like a real scum read to you gemma

he's angling on ddl and trying to use something ddl did in a past game as reason for why he is mafia in this game. it's basically just shade

Does knowing the fact he uses meta make this a worse look for you since you admitted that you dont like it?

How about his change of stance now?

people using meta doesn't necessarily worsen my read on them, i just don't find meta useful

i care about the way he is doing things, not what he is doing

what change of stance? i'm watching tv with wife, kind of distracted sorry

Gemma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:33 am i hope jjj doesn't post more than 8 times before eod because i won't have a chance to reclaim my status as topposter if he does and that would be very sad

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:01 am My apologies for being MIA so far on D1; IRL is being a major thing (which one could tell by the fact that this is being posted at 4am my time). I’ll be here later when I’m actually awake with every intention to make a vote before EoD.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:12 am

Gemma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:33 am i hope jjj doesn't post more than 8 times before eod because i won't have a chance to reclaim my status as topposter if he does and that would be very sad

How do you see number of posts???

How am i even supposed to iso outside of that search box at the top where i input things randomly and hope to get the results Im looking for

Luxurious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:12 am

Gemma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:33 am i hope jjj doesn't post more than 8 times before eod because i won't have a chance to reclaim my status as topposter if he does and that would be very sad

How do you see number of posts???

How am i even supposed to iso outside of that search box at the top where i input things randomly and hope to get the results Im looking for

Luxurious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:18 am Okay how do I do that on mobile since I only play on my phone and that doesnt exist here

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:19 am

Luxurious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:18 am Okay how do I do that on mobile since I only play on my phone and that doesnt exist here

All ISO links are in this post

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:48 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:57 am For my next performance, I'll suggest lynching a no-show on D1, which is a little more palatable. /s

How would you decide which no-show to lynch?

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Also, should I try to bulk up my posts so that I'm not doing several little posts back to back? Or do you find the small posts to work for you?

I also don't want to hinder any phone users here, but I don't know your preferences here.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:53 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:14 pm I dig your Ultra stuff, Speed. I can see a baddie Ultra using me as a compass to navigate through early game. His prod for reads kind of felt iffy to me, like I was getting a vibe that he actually cared what those were lol.

Not sure if I care for this post too much.

If Nova is bad, Ultra would not be with him.

lf Nova is good, that doesn't necessarily confirm or deny Ultra's alignment.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:52 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:09 pm *is temporary voting no lynch*

I still want blood this day phase (so I'll be voting for someone else) so that I'll know if my reads are on the right track or if I need to reassess things.

Okay cool but like why even bother?

I didn't like leaving my vote on JJJ. I haven't decided who I think is scummiest now that JJJ is off the table.

Spoiler: show

I saw that wrong. (no comment)

I like trying to be in the here and now, but it can't always happen,

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:45 am Ultra is kind of guilty of exactly what he accused Jay of. I don't care much how he branded the vote saying it reeks of "chainsaw defense" before he actually delved into it. Feels like he's detached from the suspicions and he's following a textbook on how to play mafia and build cases lol.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:47 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:45 am Ultra is kind of guilty of exactly what he accused Jay of. I don't care much how he branded the vote saying it reeks of "chainsaw defense" before he actually delved into it. Feels like he's detached from the suspicions and he's following a textbook on how to play mafia and build cases lol.

Have you played with Ultra before? Are these the suspicions he has or the suspicions against him?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:50 am

Luxurious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:47 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:45 am Ultra is kind of guilty of exactly what he accused Jay of. I don't care much how he branded the vote saying it reeks of "chainsaw defense" before he actually delved into it. Feels like he's detached from the suspicions and he's following a textbook on how to play mafia and build cases lol.

Have you played with Ultra before? Are these the suspicions he has or the suspicions against him?

We've played once before, but we've crossed path a few times (player/host in each other's games). I'm referring to his suspicion of Jay.

Gemma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:09 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:04 am

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:44 pm @Gemma

Why should I move my vote off you?

if you scumread me you shouldn't obv

Oh so I should mislynch you?

whichever response gets you to scumread me more

Luxurious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:54 am

Gemma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:09 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:04 am

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:44 pm @Gemma

Why should I move my vote off you?

if you scumread me you shouldn't obv

Oh so I should mislynch you?

whichever response gets you to scumread me more

Okay Gemma I have officially decided that I dont wanna lynch you today

[VOTE: owner] aubergine

Luxurious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:52 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:50 am

Luxurious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:47 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:45 am Ultra is kind of guilty of exactly what he accused Jay of. I don't care much how he branded the vote saying it reeks of "chainsaw defense" before he actually delved into it. Feels like he's detached from the suspicions and he's following a textbook on how to play mafia and build cases lol.

Have you played with Ultra before? Are these the suspicions he has or the suspicions against him?

We've played once before, but we've crossed path a few times (player/host in each other's games). I'm referring to his suspicion of Jay.

Any chance you can quick link me to a post (or a few)

Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:03 pm DDL taking opportunities to answer soft questions and discredit early effort before it exists. bad

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:01 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:02 am What is the point of D0 if we can't lynch anyone?

With this mindset you ensure that it cannot have a point. bad

Eh. D0 isn't useless, but it does present a lot of opportunity to shade people over NAI.

By the way, your powerpoint is unintentionally hilarious.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:40 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:15 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:56 pm Hmm... we dont have any information to work on yet, so we should probably no lynch d1.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

[VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine

This reeks of chainsaw defense.

Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:58 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:53 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:47 pm Eh. D0 isn't useless, but it does present a lot of opportunity to shade people over NAI.

Has anyone been shaded over NAI?

Possibly, by you.

Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:47 pmBy the way, your powerpoint is unintentionally hilarious.

I'm going to choose to interpret that as being complimentary.

Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:47 pmThis reeks of chainsaw defense.

Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:09 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:02 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:58 pmPossibly, by you.

I don't need "possibly". What are you referring to?

Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:58 pmDefend someone by attacking their accuser.

Since you're here elaborate on that vote

I think DDL got snagged by a booby trap. No lynches are horrendous, and I thought it looked evident that speedchuck wasn't serious in his recommendation.

I think holding someone accountable for saying Day Zeros are less valuable is a bit pushy, especially considering they in fact are. Now, if someone was using "Wait, I said that D0, it doesn't count!" as a defense, or as a reason to dismiss a case, that is categorically scummy. But outside of that context, there's no apparent scum motive to stating the obvious, other than perhaps appearing blendy.

Reaction posts can also carry a scum motive, so this sounds like TMI on speedchuck

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:29 pm [VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I don't know speedchuck or his meta or whatever but he town read and defended him far too soon. Also switched his vote to a player who isn't active instead of pursuing DDL

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:44 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:37 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:29 pm [VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I don't know speedchuck or his meta or whatever but he town read and defended him far too soon. Also switched his vote to a player who isn't active instead of pursuing DDL

This is up the wrong tree at best.

Speed didn’t need Jay to defend Speed from something that a bunch of players would think makes DDL look bad and doesn’t make Speed look bad.

wat

THIS IS UP THE WRONG TREE AT BEST!

SPEED DIDN’T NEED JAY TO DEFEND SPEED FROM SOMETHING THAT A BUNCH OF PLAYERS WOULD THINK MAKES DDL LOOK BAD AND DOESN’T MAKE SPEED LOOK BAD!

Still don't quite understand, but I think you misinterpreted my vote so I'll elaborate again. JJJ made an opportunistic vote by voting a player who appeared to make a "bad vote". If speed is town, this is fairly wolfy, as otherwise he would not be so confident that the vote was bad.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:57 am

Luxurious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:54 am

Gemma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:09 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:04 am

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:44 pm @Gemma

Why should I move my vote off you?

if you scumread me you shouldn't obv

Oh so I should mislynch you?

whichever response gets you to scumread me more

Okay Gemma I have officially decided that I dont wanna lynch you today

[VOTE: owner] aubergine

I don't mind the switch, but I don't follow the train of thought here. Why's that?

linki: So that's why the owner at least.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:07 pm I don't like Soneji's entrance. I get the timid ones, especially for someone new to the community and the site but the old cracking a joke as an ice-breaker followed by absolutely nothing is shit.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:02 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:58 pmPossibly, by you.

I don't need "possibly". What are you referring to?

Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:58 pmDefend someone by attacking their accuser.

Since you're here elaborate on that vote

I think DDL got snagged by a booby trap. No lynches are horrendous, and I thought it looked evident that speedchuck wasn't serious in his recommendation.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:03 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:42 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:36 am I kind of want to vote JJJ. I enjoy playing with him, and it has been awhile since we last played. But I also feel like I'm not quite yet seeing the Jay that I've seen before in 2 other games I played with him. Is that enough to go by? I don't know. Have I only seen his town game? I think so. Then again he might play different with a power role in hand, so maybe that's why he appears different. Or he could be generally busy, but I'm not suppose to make excuses for him. I'm just suppose to read what the thread gives me. Or maybe some games does Jay not get serious super early on? In my mind, it would be hard to maintain a talkative or inquisitive facade like every single game.

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[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine Right now, you are the most different to me. I suggest doing something to change my mind or find someone scummier. I hope to see some effort when i get back. (aka I wanted to play with you more, but I can't be your buddy if you are scum)

I'm not following what you're saying. If I reduce your commentary to the highlighted bit: are you then asserting that I have not been serious to this point in the game? Because that's hard to believe.

Why reduce the commentary to the highlighted bit? What purpose does that serve?

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:53 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:14 pm I dig your Ultra stuff, Speed. I can see a baddie Ultra using me as a compass to navigate through early game. His prod for reads kind of felt iffy to me, like I was getting a vibe that he actually cared what those were lol.

Not sure if I care for this post too much.

If Nova is bad, Ultra would not be with him.

lf Nova is good, that doesn't necessarily confirm or deny Ultra's alignment.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:38 pm Please let's lynch DDL. There's not a speck of townie on him.

-Opportunistic jump on speedchuchk's bait and according from others, chuck is renowned as someone who hates no lynching so I'm not understanding how he doesn't see it as a joke.

-His post explaining why there could be a reason for wanting to no lynch is illogical in itself and a big contradiction to his previous actions. Not to note, he completely ignored it and is trying something now against Novas.

-His retreat after being confronted for his vote on Chuck was just bad. It just reeked of trying to appear better after realizing how bad they looked for what they did. This kinda self-awareness is very much from a scum POV and him admitting to it ain't really that much either as something so obvious, you're better off admitting then trying to find excuses.

-Now he's making a rather weak case against Novas, coming to this conclusion from Mac calling him out. Seems like the dude was trying to make a meta read that didn't work. Mans trying to get some town cred after doing much of nothing else huh? It ain't working fam.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:47 pm [VOTE: MP has my vote for now.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Weak. You got no scumreads worth pursuing?] aubergine

[VOTE:

It isn't weak. It's a vote for the sake of having a vote on the board. Hence the "for now."

Funny how you imply here that I couldn't actually suspect MP.] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:30 pm I'll make a final call soon.

Soneji wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:16 pm I forgot that voting like on NF sets off the voting tags here.