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Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:07 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
Evenstar wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:49 am
Spiny Creature wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:14 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:20 am
nutella wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:19 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:17 am
Michelle wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:11 am Morning everyone, can't say i'll gladly catch up, can someone tell me if is worth reading all the last 7 pages?
Ah Michelle ma belle blah blah blah French stuff

To be honest no but it also can’t hurt?
Summary:
Juliets: bad
Nutella: good
Drago: weird
Jack: good for now
Nova: scary after cats and dogs
elephant: elephant
Mac: very positive
Creature: creature
iaiaafrair: my new favorite
no mention of 112?

also just looked in your iso and you actually haven't acknowledged 112 once even though they've had lots of posts and attention so basically you're officially w/w now congratulations
No who’s 112
how do you have a strong favorite read of iaafr but "who dat" 112 when all of iaafr's meaningful posts/interactions were with 112 lol this read fake

I've been reading and avoiding posting until I finished catching up, bc sleepy and not feeling chatty tbh. but this one stuck out enough to need to reply in the moment.
Good callout from Spiny, TSP has been weird overall and I haven't been sure wether it was playstyle - but this feels like a smoking gun to me. TSP scum.
Okay first off I have no playstyle and second off literally I don’t know 112 I did not get a read on them that’s it this is the stupidest argument I have ever heard in... well a long time

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:09 pm
by Creature
can't wait for the time we distribute ropes like candy

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:09 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
Evenstar wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:04 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:32 am
Spiny Creature wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:14 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:20 am
nutella wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:19 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:17 am
Michelle wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:11 am Morning everyone, can't say i'll gladly catch up, can someone tell me if is worth reading all the last 7 pages?
Ah Michelle ma belle blah blah blah French stuff

To be honest no but it also can’t hurt?
Summary:
Juliets: bad
Nutella: good
Drago: weird
Jack: good for now
Nova: scary after cats and dogs
elephant: elephant
Mac: very positive
Creature: creature
iaiaafrair: my new favorite
no mention of 112?

also just looked in your iso and you actually haven't acknowledged 112 once even though they've had lots of posts and attention so basically you're officially w/w now congratulations
No who’s 112
how do you have a strong favorite read of iaafr but "who dat" 112 when all of iaafr's meaningful posts/interactions were with 112 lol this read fake

I've been reading and avoiding posting until I finished catching up, bc sleepy and not feeling chatty tbh. but this one stuck out enough to need to reply in the moment.
This one? This is what it was? Of all the posts you latched on to this? I mean I quoted the point I liked from iaafr and it was about Mac. And then he challenged me to a duel and I liked that too. So not all of the meaningful posts/interactions are about 112.

I’m not generally one for individual post construction, but it’s ... interesting ... (someone kill me) that the first half has no punctuation and the latter half does. That shows different curator styles, or that both parts were written separately, or its a player thing I don’t understand because I’ve never played with spiny creature before. Slight lean scum though for the first possibility: in a normal world town would never make such a mentality shift from one half to another, but there are conceivable reasons. The second and third possibilities are NAI.
this is such a reach of a read that it makes me super certain that tsp is SOMETHING

- I think not third party is what it says, mafia make this kind of reach to lynch people, town make it to try and find mafia, third parties have absolutely no reason to stick their necks out like this
well someone reacted

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:10 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:09 pm
Evenstar wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:04 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:32 am
Spiny Creature wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:14 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:20 am
nutella wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:19 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:17 am

Ah Michelle ma belle blah blah blah French stuff

To be honest no but it also can’t hurt?
Summary:
Juliets: bad
Nutella: good
Drago: weird
Jack: good for now
Nova: scary after cats and dogs
elephant: elephant
Mac: very positive
Creature: creature
iaiaafrair: my new favorite
no mention of 112?

also just looked in your iso and you actually haven't acknowledged 112 once even though they've had lots of posts and attention so basically you're officially w/w now congratulations
No who’s 112
how do you have a strong favorite read of iaafr but "who dat" 112 when all of iaafr's meaningful posts/interactions were with 112 lol this read fake

I've been reading and avoiding posting until I finished catching up, bc sleepy and not feeling chatty tbh. but this one stuck out enough to need to reply in the moment.
This one? This is what it was? Of all the posts you latched on to this? I mean I quoted the point I liked from iaafr and it was about Mac. And then he challenged me to a duel and I liked that too. So not all of the meaningful posts/interactions are about 112.

I’m not generally one for individual post construction, but it’s ... interesting ... (someone kill me) that the first half has no punctuation and the latter half does. That shows different curator styles, or that both parts were written separately, or its a player thing I don’t understand because I’ve never played with spiny creature before. Slight lean scum though for the first possibility: in a normal world town would never make such a mentality shift from one half to another, but there are conceivable reasons. The second and third possibilities are NAI.
this is such a reach of a read that it makes me super certain that tsp is SOMETHING

- I think not third party is what it says, mafia make this kind of reach to lynch people, town make it to try and find mafia, third parties have absolutely no reason to stick their necks out like this
well someone reacted
I’ve seen a lot of people do grammar punctuation reads very successfully. I personally don’t think it’s a great strat but if Spiny ends up being scum I will definitely do it for the rest of my existence

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:14 pm
by Creature
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:47 pm There will be no voting during this phase, and no role actions may be used. This time is meant to allow players to see and acknowledge their role cards, check in, and ready themselves for the trials of Mafia.
Image

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:15 pm
by Creature
I think Master Radish can be town although I don't really like him

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:16 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
sprityo wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:15 am
Master Radishes wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:14 am
sprityo wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:12 am somethigns wrong, ive shitposted for the most part all Day 0 and i have two "good" reads
I've shitposted all Day and don't have any.

This is discrimination.
have you considered

vegetagles are untasty?
Sprityo is scum for saying this. Like Saturday morning cartoon level villainy telling children not to eat their veggies.

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm
by juliets
Dragomir wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:04 pm
112 wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:18 pm honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome
Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.
Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.

I am the Elephant.

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:28 pm
by Elephant
Evenstar wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:59 am
Elephant wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:56 am
Spiny Creature wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:26 am @Evenstar

so far you are an easy townread to me (actually the easiest), which makes me nervous only because I don't think you are easy to read in general. and in finals when you were town you were a townread, yes, but not an easy or pure one, just like a "I think eva is always like this and it's not scummy" one.

that said, the effortlessness of your savage-tone posting, and the fact that your conversation with Drogo, while meaningless shitposting, actually led you to have a read on him by the end, feels like v easytown to me.

should I be nervous about this read y or y not? :P
@Evenstar, you seem to have been enjoying yourself here. Why is that?
~~Not A Champs Game~~

Also any game with 30 players in it is de facto a mash, I have licence to fuck around

(and my normal tactic of claiming something ridiculous D1 is of limited applicability here)
You certainly look happier here than in Drakengard.

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:32 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
juliets wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:34 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:55 am Get in here so I spank your poopy bum bum
Mac, who were you talking to here and why do you want to spank them?
That’s just what Mac is into.

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:33 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
Creature wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:01 am
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:02 pm Checking in, posting later.
Guttownreading this

don't ask me why
See, this is the kinda shit Epi loathes, whoever was asking about Epi vs Creature, probably [mention]Michelle[/mention]

Re: I am the Elephant.

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:34 pm
by Creature
Elephant wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:28 pm
Evenstar wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:59 am
Elephant wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:56 am
Spiny Creature wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:26 am @Evenstar

so far you are an easy townread to me (actually the easiest), which makes me nervous only because I don't think you are easy to read in general. and in finals when you were town you were a townread, yes, but not an easy or pure one, just like a "I think eva is always like this and it's not scummy" one.

that said, the effortlessness of your savage-tone posting, and the fact that your conversation with Drogo, while meaningless shitposting, actually led you to have a read on him by the end, feels like v easytown to me.

should I be nervous about this read y or y not? :P
@Evenstar, you seem to have been enjoying yourself here. Why is that?
~~Not A Champs Game~~

Also any game with 30 players in it is de facto a mash, I have licence to fuck around

(and my normal tactic of claiming something ridiculous D1 is of limited applicability here)
You certainly look happier here than in Drakengard.
That game was shit

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:36 pm
by Creature
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:33 pm
Creature wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:01 am
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:02 pm Checking in, posting later.
Guttownreading this

don't ask me why
See, this is the kinda shit Epi loathes, whoever was asking about Epi vs Creature, probably @Michelle
Yah, it's his problem, I'm trying to define a smaller scumpool

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:48 pm
by Dragomir
2 of my favorite teams playing against each other today. Browns and Patriots. I don't know who to root for.

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:51 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Hey guys, I was busy the entirety of yesterday and forgot to check in here briefly, but all you missed was me saying hello and kill Lexi forthwith.

That is all, I’m going back to driving now. Someone wake me up at like D6

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:53 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Oh and also I won’t be around much today, soz. This was essentially the worst possible weekend for this game to start on for me lolol, luckily there’s like 800 people in it so I don’t have to carry until we get to like 9

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:53 pm
by Michelle
Evenstar wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:33 am
Michelle wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:08 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:25 pm
Creature wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:21 pm Can I not be lynched D1? Nor D2? Nor D3?
I mean, you could nk Epi and shitpost. That might do the trick.
wasn't that a post for the scum chat?
Michelle, are you reading Jack/Creature W/W?
no, it was a joke. I can't so early in the game to make any associative read actually

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:53 pm
by sprityo
Hyena wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:19 am
Dragomir wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:15 am You seem to be having a lot of town reads. Do you have any scum ones?
Let's say Mac and Sprityo are scumreads for me right now.
:hug: [mention]MacDougall[/mention]

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:56 pm
by Michelle
Evenstar wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:39 am
Michelle wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:00 am
112 wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:28 pm
iaafr wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:27 pm 112 is innocent-aligned in my opinion

i have felt this with every one of their posts
pocket tentatively accepted
noted.
Pocket like scum poketing or town pocketing?
This feels like a weird question. Scumpoints for michelle.
no it's not, as long as someone is town tunneling a player my question is perfectly valid

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:57 pm
by sprityo
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:16 pm
sprityo wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:15 am
Master Radishes wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:14 am
sprityo wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:12 am somethigns wrong, ive shitposted for the most part all Day 0 and i have two "good" reads
I've shitposted all Day and don't have any.

This is discrimination.
have you considered

vegetagles are untasty?
Sprityo is scum for saying this. Like Saturday morning cartoon level villainy telling children not to eat their veggies.
You enjoy your leafy greens and ill enjoy my BA N A NA S S

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:58 pm
by sprityo
The only thing out of me will be either MEAT or CANDY

nothing else

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:59 pm
by Michelle
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:33 pm
Creature wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:01 am
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:02 pm Checking in, posting later.
Guttownreading this

don't ask me why
See, this is the kinda shit Epi loathes, whoever was asking about Epi vs Creature, probably @Michelle
I can feel why this is happening. But after few games don't you guys start to know how is he playing? Epi has a lot of meta for Creature isn't it?

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:01 pm
by Michelle
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:51 pm Hey guys, I was busy the entirety of yesterday and forgot to check in here briefly, but all you missed was me saying hello and kill Lexi forthwith.

That is all, I’m going back to driving now. Someone wake me up at like D6
smh look at someone thinking he may be alive D6. How do you know this sir?

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:02 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Michelle wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:01 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:51 pm Hey guys, I was busy the entirety of yesterday and forgot to check in here briefly, but all you missed was me saying hello and kill Lexi forthwith.

That is all, I’m going back to driving now. Someone wake me up at like D6
smh look at someone thinking he may be alive D6. How do you know this sir?
Cause I’m fucking prescient.

Naw cause I’m gonna be too low energy for scum to bother killing tbh 🤷‍♀️

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:03 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Unless they’re scared of me I guess

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pm
by Creature
Michelle wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:59 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:33 pm
Creature wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:01 am
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:02 pm Checking in, posting later.
Guttownreading this

don't ask me why
See, this is the kinda shit Epi loathes, whoever was asking about Epi vs Creature, probably @Michelle
I can feel why this is happening. But after few games don't you guys start to know how is he playing? Epi has a lot of meta for Creature isn't it?
Some players refuse to accept a playstyle different from them :shrug:

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pm
by juliets
juliets wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm
Dragomir wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:04 pm
112 wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:18 pm honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome
Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.
Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.
So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.

Re: Im not dead

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:07 pm
by Benson
112 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:34 am
juliets wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:08 am
112 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:24 am
Benson wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:38 pm Some truly great takes that will not be substantiated no mattter how many times you ask me to:
Epignosis - town
Juliets - town
112 - 100% confirmed evil.
iaarf - town
vanity - mild mafia

Now I go
ur scum, pal
112 I noticed in your ISO you mentioned Benson was pinging you and then a little later you posted the above. Can you talk about your suspicion? I haven't seen anything about Benson that makes me think scum but this is my first exposure to them.
He seems caught in the headlights and a little bit stilted. It's very much a meta read as I'd expect civ Benson to be more vocal and have a little more of a focus/point to his posts, even this early. And he's not against posting lists per se, but iirc he doesn't like people sharing them this early.
I mean, I'm playing in a game with 28 people I've never played with before, on a new site. I need a sec to get the engines revving.

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm
by Dragomir
juliets wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pm
juliets wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm
Dragomir wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:04 pm
112 wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:18 pm honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome
Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.
Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.
So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.
I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:09 pm
by Benson
I'm on bosrd with dragon that 112 initial character talk was Wolfy.

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:10 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Game is broken if that’s the case, any decent designer gives scum fake claims.

Ping me if you want me to say something after this cause I’m not reading more for awhile.

If you ping me a bunch of times for no reason (mac) I will vote you (mac) with no regrets (mac).

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:11 pm
by juliets
Dragomir wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm
juliets wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pm
juliets wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm
Dragomir wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:04 pm
112 wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:18 pm honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome
Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.
Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.
So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.
I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?
Here's what JJJ said in the OP:

"Characters are randomized and have no connection to role abilities. You can even role play if you like."

So I read that as you can't tell from the character what the role abilities are.

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:12 pm
by Benson
juliets wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pm
juliets wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm
Dragomir wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:04 pm
112 wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:18 pm honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome
Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.
Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.
So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.
For me it's that she had to state it explicitly. Villa 112 just does the RP without qualifying why. Wolf 112 looks for excuses to hide any perceived wolfiness.

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:14 pm
by Evenstar
Creature wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:05 am Oh well, juliets randed scum this game
Why?

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:20 pm
by juliets
Benson wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:12 pm
For me it's that she had to state it explicitly. Villa 112 just does the RP without qualifying why. Wolf 112 looks for excuses to hide any perceived wolfiness.
Ok, I understand what you're saying.

Re: Im not dead

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:20 pm
by Evenstar
112 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:34 am
juliets wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:08 am
112 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:24 am
Benson wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:38 pm Some truly great takes that will not be substantiated no mattter how many times you ask me to:
Epignosis - town
Juliets - town
112 - 100% confirmed evil.
iaarf - town
vanity - mild mafia

Now I go
ur scum, pal
112 I noticed in your ISO you mentioned Benson was pinging you and then a little later you posted the above. Can you talk about your suspicion? I haven't seen anything about Benson that makes me think scum but this is my first exposure to them.
He seems caught in the headlights and a little bit stilted. It's very much a meta read as I'd expect civ Benson to be more vocal and have a little more of a focus/point to his posts, even this early. And he's not against posting lists per se, but iirc he doesn't like people sharing them this early.
nyeeehhhhh maybe 112 is town after all

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:24 pm
by Evenstar
juliets wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:00 am Can someone who is seeing @iaafr as scum talk about their read? I know some people have changed their mind on him so I'm not exactly sure where everyone stands. I tend to agree with Master Radish. I said earlier he was behaving like he did in spec chat just wasn't ready to call that town until MR's post. Anyway, I would appreciate understanding why some think he's bad.

Also, Epi has been called town and I read his ISO to see if I agreed. I think it's a bit early to town read him, he is tricky. I need more posts to make a read there, I'm just advising caution for now.
Feels like he's trying to pocket 112, incoherent reads, tone is off. I do not like it sam I am.

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:25 pm
by Benson
I wrote a post and when I hit submit I was prompted to log in. Now post is gone and I'm sad.

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:27 pm
by Evenstar
Hyena wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:11 am Hmm. I should maybe start playing a little.
MacDougall wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:40 am All this and we can't even vote yet. I wanna spam votes fuck.
same
nutella wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:25 am Creature is town. Jack is also town and just has good reads, not TMI.

Come the fuck at me bro.
I like the tone and attitude here! Gonna give nutella a genuine town lean for now.
MacDougall wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:28 am
nutella wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:25 am Creature is town. Jack is also town and just has good reads, not TMI.

Come the fuck at me bro.
Are we really gonna have the same reads all game again?
This feels pocket-y.
sprityo wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:42 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:39 pm
sprityo wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:18 pm I'm policy never lynching people I invited to this game
This just means I’ll get lynched day 1 :sigh:
Dude if you’re town, just be the townie you were in Mass Effect, Fire Emblem and Kirby. You have a really obvious town tone and shouldn’t have the problem with getting mislynched you tend to have if you just post more.
That’s asking a lot :haha:
On reread, I'm sensing a towny kind of frustration from Jack. Also, it feels like Sprityo's making excuses to not post in a towny way, even if I still think his response was pretty funny.
this made me go back and quickly ISO hyena, tone feels different from in WC1

might just be reduced pressure but I feel ehhhhh in this direction rn

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:28 pm
by Evenstar
Dragomir wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:15 am
Hyena wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:11 am -snip read wall-
You seem to be having a lot of town reads. Do you have any scum ones?
bad post tbqh

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:28 pm
by juliets
Evenstar wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:24 pm
juliets wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:00 am Can someone who is seeing @iaafr as scum talk about their read? I know some people have changed their mind on him so I'm not exactly sure where everyone stands. I tend to agree with Master Radish. I said earlier he was behaving like he did in spec chat just wasn't ready to call that town until MR's post. Anyway, I would appreciate understanding why some think he's bad.

Also, Epi has been called town and I read his ISO to see if I agreed. I think it's a bit early to town read him, he is tricky. I need more posts to make a read there, I'm just advising caution for now.
Feels like he's trying to pocket 112, incoherent reads, tone is off. I do not like it sam I am.
Thanks, I saw the incoherent reads and the tone as his normal behavior but I have not seen him in an in-game setting. I'll re-read his ISO with your points in mind.

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:28 pm
by Evenstar
Dragomir wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.
Why aren't you suspecting me for claiming Light Yagami then...?

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:30 pm
by Benson
What I was saying. In post #716, Im suspicious over elephant's rebuttal to MR. The tone just feels Wolfy - I know I haven't played with this guy so I'm not too concerned over that.
But I also don't like how he's honing in on very very minor discrepancies in MR's game (like stuff common to all villagers), and using that as a means to discredit his argument and push a scum read. Idk, seems like the kind of tactics I use as a wolf.

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:31 pm
by Evenstar
Hyena wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:28 am
Evenstar wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:27 am gonna be some quote spam as i catch up here, apologies; i blame this forum's utter lack of multiquoting
MacDougall wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:56 am
Evenstar wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:47 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:40 am All this and we can't even vote yet. I wanna spam votes fuck.
So FoS.
What for? Without voting all this analysis is just hot fart. Nobody is really gonna feel pressure so they will be harder to read. I wanna start some wagons.
This is why you have a thing that can translate directly into a real vote when the actual game starts

like so: FoS MacDougall
ALL HAIL QUEEN EVENSTAR!!!

Also, are you trying to pocket me here with your FoS on Mac? :P
*giggles*

Okay, Hyena is town, I stand corrected.

And no, I didn't actually realize you scumread him.

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:31 pm
by juliets
Benson wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:25 pm I wrote a post and when I hit submit I was prompted to log in. Now post is gone and I'm sad.
Benson, are you on your phone? Jay wrote a little section about how to best stay logged on on your phone at the beginning of the game in the part about how the site works. If you're on your computer I don't know why it is doing.

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:32 pm
by Benson
juliets wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:31 pm
Benson wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:25 pm I wrote a post and when I hit submit I was prompted to log in. Now post is gone and I'm sad.
Benson, are you on your phone? Jay wrote a little section about how to best stay logged on on your phone at the beginning of the game in the part about how the site works. If you're on your computer I don't know why it is doing.
I'm on my phone. I'll check that out. Thanks. :)

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:34 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:10 pm Game is broken if that’s the case, any decent designer gives scum fake claims.

Ping me if you want me to say something after this cause I’m not reading more for awhile.

If you ping me a bunch of times for no reason (mac) I will vote you (mac) with no regrets (mac).
making stuff up is part of mafia

Re: I am the Elephant.

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:34 pm
by Evenstar
Elephant wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:38 am
Master Radishes wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:37 am
Elephant wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:16 am
Master Radishes wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:51 am
Elephant wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:46 am
Master Radishes wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:42 am
Elephant wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:21 am Master Radishes, despite Mr Macdougall's numerous previous contributions, he is conspicuously absent from your list. Should that concern me? Furthermore, this absence does not concern Mr Macdougall himself. I feel that might be unusual for him, but I do not know him very well. Any light you could shed on these issues would be welcome.
Is it conspicuous? I think there are a lot of players absent from my list. Someone said this earlier, but with so many players in the game and it being only Day 0, it's impossible to keep track of everyone.

I haven't noticed Mac for better or for worse so far. He always posts a lot, from what I've seen. Doesn't mean he's contributing to gamesolving.


Question for you, Pachyderm: do you always have such a passive tone to your posts?
I am not convinced that the premise of your question is correct. Maybe you are confusing politeness and passivity?
Politeness is a form of passivity.

I wouldn't say your engagement level is passive, but the tone of your posts comes across as such. "Should that concern me?"; "Any light you could shed on these issues would be welcome"; etc = passive phrasing.

I just want to know if this is what I can expect from you so I can put it aside when forming a read.
Your manner of thought is alien to me, Master Radishes. Despite being concerned with "reads", you do not appear to actually take notice of what I wrote. You open your post by contradicting my implied assertion that passiveness and politeness are not identical, and then act as if that contradictory statement would remove my objection to your question, which it did not. In addition, I am unable to imagine how an expectation of "passivity" (or the absence of this expectation) would impact your ability to "form a read"; if you could educate me in this respect, I'd be much obliged.
On phone now, so not going to bother breaking up your post into relevant sections, but:
(a) What did you write that I didn't take notice of?
(b) We're now arguing over the semantics of 'passive' which seems NAI.
(c) Players have different posting styles, but I often associate passivity (as I define it) with scuminess. This is not a hard rule, however, and some people just have a tone to their posts I struggle to look past. There's a player on my home forum I scum read every single game and am usually wrong about, and it's because he posts in a manner I find similar to yours.
You have asked me a question that was unclear to me. After I drew your attention to that, you have not clarified (still!), but instead asserted that it wasn't unclear. Predictably, that led us nowhere. What you seem to be saying is that you would like to read "passivity" as scummy, but that it isn't really working out for you, which begs the question why you keep doing it. I still have no idea how the expectation of passivity can shape your read. Basically, you've been blocking my attempts to find out how you do solving in this game, which foils my attempt at townreading you. Why would you behave like this as town? (This is a genuine question!)

For now, I suggest that we revisit my original question: do you find it in character for MacDougall to ignore his absence on your reads list, or does it strike you as unusual? I understand you are somewhat familiar with him, is that correct?
Elephant is... god.

It's very obviously a character and my eyes just glaze over when I read his posts, but I would bet a dollar he's like this regardless of alignment so he's just going to be a PITA to play with. Really hope he's not town. Might be town anyway. Where's the fricking sigh emote when you need it.

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:35 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
It’s like playing with Glorf if Glorf were an elephant

Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:37 pm
by Evenstar
Creature wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:50 am
Evenstar wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:38 am
nutella wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:25 am Creature is town. Jack is also town and just has good reads, not TMI.

Come the fuck at me bro.
Then again, maybe it's just meta I don't have making Mac come to Jack's defense.

I will say it's super fucking weird to me that four people are townreading creature. There's almost def a scum in that, and I'm side-eyeing Mac pretty hard right now.
Are you saying that because you think their read on me looks fake or you just want to discredit their townread on me?
Think someone here has TMI. Personally don't see why you deserve four townreads from your post history, but if that many people are saying it it's probably true.