The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:01 am [checks thread]

Where the hell did this drago lynch even come from?

Yeah that’s basically my reaction.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:46 am I can't believe we lynched Dragomir!?

But you... voted for him?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:40 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:39 pm Nanook is having too much fun to be town

Tell me more.

I guess Sig kinda said what I was thinking above in that big post of his but he used words good instead

And re Speed I literally forgot he was in the game, so that doesn't bode well for him imo.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:29 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:15 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:12 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:10 pm If I’m gonna be serious for a minute, I just don’t have high confidence reads rn. If you want me to RNG some I can do that, but if I presented anything as high confidence I’d be lying.

I don't need or want high confidence reads. Hell, I don't even need reads. I just like to know what people are thinking about each other.

What you think about someone in a game related sense is a read, yeah?

I suppose. But what I mean is I don't need you to say "I think nova is town/scum." I'm just looking for "nova did these things and I felt something about it." If you can turn that into a definitive stance, groovy. If not, it's still enough to work with.

The fact Sloonei is using nova as an example here means he is scared of being interpreted as suspecting someone he is not suspecting. Which suggests he is very conscious of how others are perceiving his alignment.

No. That’s a regular habit of mine.

I take some responsibility for the Drago lynch, but I reject the idea that his lynch came out of nowhere. With about 45 minutes left in the phase I was unsatisfied with the trains that existed in the thread. There were a few names that I had seen mentioned in conversations, of players who had at least a vote or two on them at the time, but who weren’t being discussed seriously at that moment. So I went back to take a closer look at them. I was unsatisfied with both Drago’s ISO and Rej’s. I voted for Drago. At the time that made it 5 to 3, I think.

If I survive the night, I’d like to follow up on Rej. I think it’s also worth looking into the votes that came in near the end of the deadline. The Dom wagon seemed dead for most of the time that I was here, but no one was moving off of it.

Wow, where did the Drago lynch come from? I have no way to find out.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:44 am

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:32 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:29 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:15 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:12 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:10 pm If I’m gonna be serious for a minute, I just don’t have high confidence reads rn. If you want me to RNG some I can do that, but if I presented anything as high confidence I’d be lying.

I don't need or want high confidence reads. Hell, I don't even need reads. I just like to know what people are thinking about each other.

What you think about someone in a game related sense is a read, yeah?

I suppose. But what I mean is I don't need you to say "I think nova is town/scum." I'm just looking for "nova did these things and I felt something about it." If you can turn that into a definitive stance, groovy. If not, it's still enough to work with.

The fact Sloonei is using nova as an example here means he is scared of being interpreted as suspecting someone he is not suspecting. Which suggests he is very conscious of how others are perceiving his alignment.

Can you explain this again? I read this thrice and I'm not sure what you mean.

Eh just a tinfoil. Sloonei used nova here because nova is the host so he doesn't wanna look like he is suspecting soneone. Which might cause an argument. Sloonei trying to avoid an argument could mean bad sloonei.

I'd buy that with a coupon. Sure.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:46 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:57 pm Channel the spirit of the Hyena. Make the tie.

[VOTE: dragomir] aubergine

You're bad.

Yes. She is.

boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:54 am @Dom Fair enough for the outdatedness.

And you're... 24/5? You're a bit younger than I am, iirc? And my first game was Scary Movie on LP and that was 2010, and at that point mafia had already been being played there for at least a year or two, right? That's not super far from half?

Almost 26. Haven't quite played for 13 years. Closer to 10.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:01 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:46 am I can't believe we lynched Dragomir!?

But you... voted for him?

Fake news.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:46 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:57 pm Channel the spirit of the Hyena. Make the tie.

[VOTE: dragomir] aubergine

You're bad.

No?

Why is that bad? I thought Drago was a better bet than Dom.

Oh man, I feel unhappy with my performance here

Why was Rej even being voted btw?

I would argue that Sloonei looks a lot worse here than I do. But I'm biased.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:54 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:46 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:57 pm Channel the spirit of the Hyena. Make the tie.

[VOTE: dragomir] aubergine

You're bad.

No?

Why is that bad? I thought Drago was a better bet than Dom.

That's not what you said.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:56 pm Why was Rej even being voted btw?

For being scum, mostly

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:57 pm I would argue that Sloonei looks a lot worse here than I do. But I'm biased.

Go ahead then.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:56 pm Why was Rej even being voted btw?

I asked it myself too.

I think Drago was policylynching me while Speedchuck had an actual case and was interested in its outcome.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:05 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:39 am Wtf...daychat during night. So meh.

You'e not obligated to post. At least 95% of the games I have played over my long Mafia career have not closed the thread at night.

I see now, this is just a relaxing session

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:14 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:56 pm Why was Rej even being voted btw?

For being scum, mostly

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:30 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:56 pm Why was Rej even being voted btw?

I asked it myself too.

I think Drago was policylynching me while Speedchuck had an actual case and was interested in its outcome.

Meoowww

Are you two kitties together again

NUTELLA ARE YOU SCUM

No come on man

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:57 pm I would argue that Sloonei looks a lot worse here than I do. But I'm biased.

I'm actually getting civ vibes from Sloonei, tbh.

Hey [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] you have said at least twice you can read Creature's meta but didn't say what the read was. Care to share with the class?

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:36 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:05 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:39 am Wtf...daychat during night. So meh.

You'e not obligated to post. At least 95% of the games I have played over my long Mafia career have not closed the thread at night.

I see now, this is just a relaxing session

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:33 pmNo come on man

Don't lie to me

Don't feel good about Dom or boo or speedchuck as of present.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:19 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:36 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:05 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:39 am Wtf...daychat during night. So meh.

You'e not obligated to post. At least 95% of the games I have played over my long Mafia career have not closed the thread at night.

I see now, this is just a relaxing session

Never killing you for that fleabag reference tbh

Sloonei bad guy too.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:20 pm Voting for Dom feels like a shrug. I am not inclined to cast a shrug vote on Day 1 for a player like Dom. He's going to give us more content to assess later on regardless of his alginment.

boo's case against Colin seems to hinge upon, or at least imply, that we are bad together. I can't vote for that case. I think I like that boo presented the case, though.

DDL, Drago, and Rej are three names I've seen floated in conversations. Who wants to ketch me up to speed on them?

Dom, boo and sloon not bad together imo.

Sloon/dom more likely plus DDL probs.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:03 pm

boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:02 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:01 pm [VOTE: boo] aubergine because I want him to take firm stance on something in this game. Go go go.

I still want to lynch Colin.

Go ahead

Colin town

Has sloonei mentioned mac much? Likely teammate in my 3am brain

@novaselinenever can we get iso links for phone users

Im curious when sloon dropped the DDL sus

If sloonei is bad, I think boo is town

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:07 pm Im curious when sloon dropped the DDL sus

It was never much of a suspicion, but he became a slight town read when I ISO’d Rej(?) and saw a nice case by DDL in there.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:09 pm If sloonei is bad, I think boo is town

Why am I bad?

Can u link me go ur iso pls

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:09 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:07 pm Im curious when sloon dropped the DDL sus

It was never much of a suspicion, but he became a slight town read when I ISO’d Rej(?) and saw a nice case by DDL in there.

So why didn't you vote rej?

Apologies for clumsy 3.12am phone posting

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:09 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:07 pm Im curious when sloon dropped the DDL sus

It was never much of a suspicion, but he became a slight town read when I ISO’d Rej(?) and saw a nice case by DDL in there.

So why didn't you vote rej?

Because Drago was also an option and I’m less familiar with Rej so I did not feel as comfortable voting for him. I’ve never played with Rej before.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:11 pm Can u link me go ur iso pls

What do you want?

Can someone link me to sloonei's iso pls, since sloonei doesn't want to link me

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:16 pm Can someone link me to sloonei's iso pls, since sloonei doesn't want to link me

I didn’t understand the question, okay!? I’m also on my phone.

How do phone users play mafia even

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:16 pm I just noticed that Dragomir has two votes as well, tucked away down there at the bottom.

Sneaky dom-partner sloonei. Smooth tho.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:18 pm How do phone users play mafia even

Mafia451! Easily the most phone friendly mafia forum I’ve played on

If sloonei bad, LC town

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:39 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:54 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:53 pm I think Rej is fitting what little I understand of his town meta. Drago I haven't seen enough from yet to feel strongly about.

I feel like i have seen more proactive version of Dragomir in previous games. But that includes Day 1 of Inception, when he was mafia.

True.

I might hop on just for funsies/so that my vote matters more than it does now and bc I don't really see a reason for Dom to be lynched

That sounds like a weak motivation to jump on the drago wagon which you also don't feel strongly about.

If I couldn't see the poll as I'm making this catch up I would get no indication that you suspect drago more than Dom. Or that you suspect dragon enough to give up on the speed thing you were pushing before.

Sorry, the speed thing you were moaning about before. Because the only thing you did about it was vote speed early on poorly explained grounds when spend the whole day crying "why you aren't voting speed with meeee" to people.

Wow

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING

??? What is this

What do you think it is?

I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?

yeah

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING

??? What is this

What do you think it is?

I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?

That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.

But it's not a conflict if there isn't disagreement. Stating a townread should be fine for that, if you disagree you can continue on that topic.

you're

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:56 pm Speed discouraging people from contributing their townreads is bad.

right

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:03 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:58 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am

??? What is this

What do you think it is?

I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?

That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.

But it's not a conflict if there isn't disagreement. Stating a townread should be fine for that, if you disagree you can continue on that topic.

I assumed Creature would disagree, and then I could say he is biased and defending himself, and we could whirl down a spiral of blame and recursive arguments and THEN Jack could stop us.

And people like you would comment on it and be all like "how scummy" and we'd have a lot to work with.

I guess that's happening anyway now, so thanks. [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

No. This is total bullshit lmao. I don't see the scenario you're describing ever happening like that, and look we are still talky about this so clearly someone successfully generated content. Your assessment of my role in this makes no sense though. Are you just openwolfing?

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

I haven't

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:58 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:32 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:03 pm oh, i think nutella is town. don't lynch her.

speedchuck is another option for me. i feel something intentional and careful in his posts and tone towards others. don't like it.

I agree with half of this post

The other half is like, what. Why.

So you don't suspect me? What did you gain from that exercise? I don't see you commenting on reactions or whatever, you seem to have just moved on.

given my reasons

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:23 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:21 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:53 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:24 am

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:44 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:32 am Well in that case, there's not really much for me to do. Could explain my read on Rej or Mac maybe. But...nah.

wow you really give zero fucks this game, you must be a civ, you would never fuck up your mafia brethern like that? playing this jaded?

did anything else in this DP caught your attention? I haven't seen many reads about Mac. He just seems to carry some energy with him, energy I haven't seen in much of his D0/D1 plays.

Is the first half of this post a sarcasm? Because it seems like one to me.

tbh I am 50/50, it's true that Dragos overall behaviour in mafia changed, from game to game he gives less a fuck, that is reasonable if you busy yourself with other things, but still a mafia drago wouldn't make himself such an easy target I feel, tho town drago tends to do help town in any kind of form

Those two fifties have completely opposite meanings

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

So?

for suspecting speed

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:15 pm Speed isn't thinking critically on enough levels he's just calling things scummy that aren't really. He's scum

ever at all,

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:26 pm basically he's calling rej scum for not having a coherent stance on drago. I don't have a coherent stance on drago either so idk why that's sus

you got me

also that final quote is extra fun in light of the drago flip. scum speed would be biased toward assuming one would have a "coherent stance" on drago since he would have had tmi