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Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 10:51 am**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 7:34 am sig / myo / LC is PoE I guess? Debating on jiwon.

Didn't read all of soneji's posts

If I was mafia why woulf I kill Nanook though~?

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 10:59 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:09 am I count one (1) read made in the history of this thread by Myo, and it's an extremely controversial take:

MacDougall town

bad look

You think it's a bad read when you also think that he is town (according to your list)?

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 11:01 am**

He called it controversial ironically, MD is obviously town~

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 11:03 am**

Well you already know it was ironic but since McD is obviously town it is concerning that McD is your only read~

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 11:29 am**

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 10:51 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 7:34 am sig / myo / LC is PoE I guess? Debating on jiwon.

Didn't read all of soneji's posts
If I was mafia why woulf I kill Nanook though~?

Why wouldn’t you?

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 11:30 am**

Myo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 10:59 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:09 am I count one (1) read made in the history of this thread by Myo, and it's an extremely controversial take:

MacDougall town

bad look
You think it's a bad read when you also think that he is town (according to your list)?

He’s calling it an uninspiring read. What else you got?

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 12:45 pm**

[VOTE: jiwon] aubergine

We don’t need to all park our votes on daisy

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 1:22 pm**

I’m only on page 13 right now, but I will say these few things.

Civs can misread people and get things wrong and look bad, but still be civs. I am.

I came in and saw I only had a few minutes to vote so I went with my gut and voted Soneji, without even knowing a Jack was on the block. But I wouldn’t have voted Jack anyway even if I knew because I incorrectly believed him to be civ. I would not have so blatantly called my teammate civ like that if I were bad. I’m not bad.

I feel pretty sure you all are going to lynch me today anyway and I will guarantee the civs will regret it. I appreciate logical analysis but I hope you all can leave room for some gut instinct too because logic alone will probably put me in the bad seat for good reasons. But logic is going to mislead you this time.

Now I’m going to continue my catch up.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 1:28 pm**

Yeah not a lot worth commenting on. Not bad but I fully expect you guys are going to roll with this easy lynch. Whatever man, bring it on, eliminate me and hopefully move on to lore fruitful topics.

Ftr I still really don’t trust Soneji.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 2:03 pm**

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 1:28 pm Yeah not a lot worth commenting on. Not bad but I fully expect you guys are going to roll with this easy lynch. Whatever man, bring it on, eliminate me and hopefully move on to lore fruitful topics.

Ftr I still really don’t trust Soneji.

We’re only a little over 12 hours into a 48 hour Day. Nothing is final. Tell us more about soneji.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 2:17 pm**

I like Daisy's last 2 posts, I'd love to see a full read list and who'd you like to lynch.

I don't like that LC tried to claim credit for the jack lynch,

Still think Jay could be mafia since I'm sticking with my inactive theory.

Besides that I'm a bit meh. If the top civ arent shot in next few phases we should probably lynch them.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 2:19 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 12:45 pm [VOTE: jiwon] aubergine

We don’t need to all park our votes on daisy

Daisy does seem honest, and the case against her isn't exactly cut-and-dry. I had a look at Jiwon's ISO, and it doesn't contain a lot beyond deciding to sheep Mac, and a suspicion of tedxtr that I have to go back and investigate.

For the real feelings I got while reading it... it's like this:

Spoiler: show

Anyway, [VOTE: Jiwon] aubergine

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 2:23 pm**

Jiwon's assessment from early game fits with how she plays the game but I do agree it's kind of lame I'm her only read.

With that being said, I hate to state that she's probably town regardless.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 2:24 pm**

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 6:02 am I already said I found tedx suspicious and I have no idea about vote count last day so don't have anything to say about that.

Ok, found the suspicion statement:

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:46 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 3:09 am So, apparently, this setup favours town hunting, which is better as a whole given that 75% of the time you're probably going to be right about your town leans. Thus, we should actively seek out town slots that we consider to be very obvious towns.

Why? After a ship's death, scraps will be scattered and during the night phase, the person with the most votes will receive those scraps in order to purchase and upgrade parts of their ship.

I will attempt to go for town hunting as it proved to be a solid method for myself. If I get to a scum lean on the line, I'll let it be known, but it's mostly going to be town hunting.
I feel like a town wouldn't need to announce they are townhunting if they were townhunting. Also a fun fact, tedx didn't do any townhunting even until at this point on quote.

The 'fun fact' feels a little like a forced 'gotcha'.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 2:27 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 2:23 pm Jiwon's assessment from early game fits with how she plays the game but I do agree it's kind of lame I'm her only read.

Actually, I noticed a Soneji suspicion based on his not-Jack vote.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 2:28 pm**

Sorry, that was a bit wrong... not for Soneji's non-Jack vote, it was about Jack voting me:

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:17 pm So jack was voting for Long con even though soneji had 3 votes, right? That makes me suspect Soneji.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 2:28 pm**

I don't think Jiwon's cutting it for me to be honest. I can see town focusing more on that statement than scum, I think scum think it's just pointless to even address it, it's such low hanging fruit bait.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 2:30 pm**

I think it makes more sense for newbie type of players to reach on that, with the assumption of "he said he was going to town hunt but he's keeping his lynch pool opened by scum hunting instead" sort of deal.

I refuse to believe a scum actually fell for that lol.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 2:42 pm**

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

That response to my jiwon vote was way too convenient. Although it appears he forgot to actually vote in the poll.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 2:47 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 2:42 pm [VOTE: long con] aubergine

That response to my jiwon vote was way too convenient. Although it appears he forgot to actually vote in the poll.

I did forget, thank you. What do you mean by convenient?

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 2:48 pm**

I'll give it to Jay, sloonei's feeling waaaaaaaaay off

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 2:50 pm**

[VOTE: Soneji] aubergine

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 2:50 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 2:48 pm I'll give it to Jay, sloonei's feeling waaaaaaaaay off

Off how

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 2:52 pm**

it's hard to really pinpoint it

it's just, his heart isn't really into it, a lot of his moves seem surface level and the majority of his votes / thoughts emerge from something happening at the point where he's in thread

I know he made some analysis but I'm not feeling his votes at all, it's really hard to express it, my thoughts are usually very convoluted.

I think he's off but I'm not sure it's really AI though. It might be he's worn out or something irl.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 2:54 pm**

I did like his nutella and Mac trio convo right before voting Jack. He seemed very relaxed and I don't think his mafia self would waste time kidding with mac and nutella when his partner is being heavily pressured.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 2:57 pm**

Soneji said some goofy stuff about Jack. So I vote.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 2:58 pm**

I don;t think I'm looking at Sloonei because there's a lot of other slots to look into but damn does he give off a sinking feeling. It's not even scum indicative I think but it does mess up with my perception of his usual town meta a lot.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 2:59 pm**

Sloonei you’re giving ted gas

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 3:01 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 11:30 am
Myo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 10:59 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:09 am I count one (1) read made in the history of this thread by Myo, and it's an extremely controversial take:

MacDougall town

bad look
You think it's a bad read when you also think that he is town (according to your list)?
He’s calling it an uninspiring read. What else you got?

Things that stand out:

Lon Con. Decent number of comments but a lot are arguing about his credit for the Jackofhearts2005 lunch. The beating of a dead horse is ehhhhhhh to me. Reading it back it seems very obvious to me that he isn’t going to get people to agree with him but he keeps going. Strikes me a bit as thread derailment, but it was a night phase, so I’m not actually sure how much merit this point holds since there was no lynch voting ongoing.

JaggedJimmyJay flips between calling Sloonei suspicious last phase to ranking him town this phase with no reasoning to the switch that I’ve seen. As I’ve said, I don’t particularly like rapid flip-flops on alignment with no reasoning behind the switch, it comes across to me as throwing things out and seeing what gets picked up by others and then moving on from the rest.

After writing this comment I realise that you are the Sloonei I was referring to.

Also, what on earth is linki? I've seen it written a few times. Sorry for all the clarification questions, the new jargon has been a bit overwhelming.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 3:04 pm**

Linki refers to posts made as you are submitting, which you can review before sending your final finished post

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 3:39 pm**

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 1:22 pm I’m only on page 13 right now, but I will say these few things.

Civs can misread people and get things wrong and look bad, but still be civs. I am.

I came in and saw I only had a few minutes to vote so I went with my gut and voted Soneji, without even knowing a Jack was on the block. But I wouldn’t have voted Jack anyway even if I knew because I incorrectly believed him to be civ. I would not have so blatantly called my teammate civ like that if I were bad. I’m not bad.

I feel pretty sure you all are going to lynch me today anyway and I will guarantee the civs will regret it. I appreciate logical analysis but I hope you all can leave room for some gut instinct too because logic alone will probably put me in the bad seat for good reasons. But logic is going to mislead you this time.

Now I’m going to continue my catch up.

hmm

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 3:39 pm**

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 1:28 pm Yeah not a lot worth commenting on. Not bad but I fully expect you guys are going to roll with this easy lynch. Whatever man, bring it on, eliminate me and hopefully move on to lore fruitful topics.

Ftr I still really don’t trust Soneji.

can you talk more about your read on Soneji? I could be swayed there perhaps

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 3:45 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 2:24 pm
JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 6:02 am I already said I found tedx suspicious and I have no idea about vote count last day so don't have anything to say about that.
Ok, found the suspicion statement:

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:46 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 3:09 am So, apparently, this setup favours town hunting, which is better as a whole given that 75% of the time you're probably going to be right about your town leans. Thus, we should actively seek out town slots that we consider to be very obvious towns.

Why? After a ship's death, scraps will be scattered and during the night phase, the person with the most votes will receive those scraps in order to purchase and upgrade parts of their ship.

I will attempt to go for town hunting as it proved to be a solid method for myself. If I get to a scum lean on the line, I'll let it be known, but it's mostly going to be town hunting.
I feel like a town wouldn't need to announce they are townhunting if they were townhunting. Also a fun fact, tedx didn't do any townhunting even until at this point on quote.
The 'fun fact' feels a little like a forced 'gotcha'.

Yeah I'm not inspired by that. It's at least an original thought but it doesn't necessarily feel like a genuine one.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 3:48 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 2:28 pm Sorry, that was a bit wrong... not for Soneji's non-Jack vote, it was about Jack voting me:

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:17 pm So jack was voting for Long con even though soneji had 3 votes, right? That makes me suspect Soneji.

Oh that is a good point actually.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 3:49 pm**

But given the timing of the CFD and the fact that Daisy's soneji vote was close to last minute he might not have realized in time that the soneji wagon had more of a chance of saving him than the LC one because of how fast the votes moved (and especially if he didn't realize it was eod lol). So idk

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 3:54 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 2:48 pm I'll give it to Jay, sloonei's feeling waaaaaaaaay off

I was just about to say. He's acting like LC fell into a trap he set. That doesn't feel like townSloonei's typical approach, he's more of a direct engagement kind of guy. Doesn't smell quite right.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 4:02 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 3:54 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 2:48 pm I'll give it to Jay, sloonei's feeling waaaaaaaaay off
I was just about to say. He's acting like LC fell into a trap he set. That doesn't feel like townSloonei's typical approach, he's more of a direct engagement kind of guy. Doesn't smell quite right.

I didn’t set a trap, but I’m not averse to doing that either. I did a thing and LC responded to it in a way that didn’t feel right.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 4:05 pm**

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 2:47 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 2:42 pm [VOTE: long con] aubergine

That response to my jiwon vote was way too convenient. Although it appears he forgot to actually vote in the poll.
I did forget, thank you. What do you mean by convenient?

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 4:13 pm**

I felt like Soneji’s EoD was fine with jack’s flip in mind

What’s your gripe with him, Jay?

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 4:21 pm**

I feel kind of bad for contributing with taking Space out of the game but if she’s not going to generate any more content than Soneji still being scum, I’ll treat it as preserving spew.

Unless people can weigh in and tell me if Space usually has a hard time making reads. I remember her coming back from a hiatus, ime players are generally hyped to rand town after that, I don’t really get the...defeatist mentality here.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 4:23 pm**

She came in with the “hello fellow villagers, what’s up with this person’s wagon that is the counter wagon to the flipped mafia and how can i get on it?” post. If she doesn’t contribute further than that, I just can’t overlook it. Sorry.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 4:27 pm**

Yeah those are good takes ted. I would love to see more thoughts/reads from daisy on people other than soneji.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 4:29 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 4:27 pm Yeah those are good takes ted. I would love to see more thoughts/reads from daisy on people other than soneji.

I’m easily pocketable and now I’m paranoid.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 4:56 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 2:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 12:45 pm [VOTE: jiwon] aubergine

We don’t need to all park our votes on daisy
Daisy does seem honest, and the case against her isn't exactly cut-and-dry. I had a look at Jiwon's ISO, and it doesn't contain a lot beyond deciding to sheep Mac, and a suspicion of tedxtr that I have to go back and investigate.

For the real feelings I got while reading it... it's like this:

Spoiler: show
JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 2:36 pm Why don't we all claim our ships?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:28 pm I don't understand, how do we lose scraps? By voting anyone to execute? Do we execute by the poll on the thread?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:30 pmWhy did you think I am mafia :<

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:31 pm You have to have the vote at the end of the day or everytime you get a vote you lose scrap..?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:33 pmDid I gain scrap for voting ted talk at the beginning?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:35 pmWho is long con?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:03 pmI thought votes were done on poll, why do people vote on thread too?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:12 pmWhat happens if mafia kills the person we give scraps?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:20 pmWho switched when?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 4:59 amWhy votes have small aubergine after them?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 10:51 amIf I was mafia why would I kill Nanook though~?

Anyway, [VOTE: Jiwon] aubergine

For one, I was put off by LC's response which seemed to express a mutual exoneration of Daisy. My vote change was in no way meant to reflect a change in my read on Daisy, but LC's response seemed as if he was latching onto my vote to push that angle. In doing so he also presents/bolsters an argument against the new player with a low-key playstyle which is, again, slightly off-putting.

I understand that I'm also voting for Jiwon at this stage, but I did so primarily as a point of emphasis for discussion. LC came in guns blazing. That's a more aggressive discussion than I was aiming for. Maybe the reason I am reading LC negatively here is that he responded to both aspects of my post (unvote daisy/vote jiwon) in ways that run contrary to my own intentions. But I can see a glint of opportunism in here. That doesn't need to imply anything specific about Daisy herself. A mafia Long Con might just want to appear proactive and not take part in the easy civilian lynch.

It's also entirely possible that LC is town and either one or both of Daisy or Jiwon is bad. But LC did the most recent thing that I found suspicious, so my vote's gonna sit on him for a bit.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 4:59 pm**

If the deadline was happening right now and my vote was the only that mattered, it would be on Daisy. But it's not and it's not, so it's not.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 5:53 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 4:23 pm She came in with the “hello fellow villagers, what’s up with this person’s wagon that is the counter wagon to the flipped mafia and how can i get on it?” post. If she doesn’t contribute further than that, I just can’t overlook it. Sorry.

I did not ever say I wanted on it. I came in and asked about it because I hadn’t seen anything that I could recall up to where I had read in the thread. I didn’t understand.

Bad look misrepresenting me tedxtr. Don’t care for that.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 6:02 pm**

I am tilted by the fact that we have Jay and Sloonei in this game and the gamestate is so frozen the day after a scum flip.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 6:14 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 6:02 pm I am tilted by the fact that we have Jay and Sloonei in this game and the gamestate is so frozen the day after a scum flip.

It’s been really nice out and I just finished writing a 70 page thesis, get off my back!

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 6:18 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 6:02 pm I am tilted by the fact that we have Jay and Sloonei in this game and the gamestate is so frozen the day after a scum flip.

The flip gave us usable town points, but not as many usable scum points.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 6:22 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 4:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 2:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 12:45 pm [VOTE: jiwon] aubergine

We don’t need to all park our votes on daisy
Daisy does seem honest, and the case against her isn't exactly cut-and-dry. I had a look at Jiwon's ISO, and it doesn't contain a lot beyond deciding to sheep Mac, and a suspicion of tedxtr that I have to go back and investigate.

For the real feelings I got while reading it... it's like this:

Spoiler: show
JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 2:36 pm Why don't we all claim our ships?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:28 pm I don't understand, how do we lose scraps? By voting anyone to execute? Do we execute by the poll on the thread?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:30 pmWhy did you think I am mafia :<

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:31 pm You have to have the vote at the end of the day or everytime you get a vote you lose scrap..?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:33 pmDid I gain scrap for voting ted talk at the beginning?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:35 pmWho is long con?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:03 pmI thought votes were done on poll, why do people vote on thread too?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:12 pmWhat happens if mafia kills the person we give scraps?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:20 pmWho switched when?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 4:59 amWhy votes have small aubergine after them?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 10:51 amIf I was mafia why would I kill Nanook though~?

Anyway, [VOTE: Jiwon] aubergine
For one, I was put off by LC's response which seemed to express a mutual exoneration of Daisy. My vote change was in no way meant to reflect a change in my read on Daisy, but LC's response seemed as if he was latching onto my vote to push that angle. In doing so he also presents/bolsters an argument against the new player with a low-key playstyle which is, again, slightly off-putting.

I understand that I'm also voting for Jiwon at this stage, but I did so primarily as a point of emphasis for discussion. LC came in guns blazing. That's a more aggressive discussion than I was aiming for. Maybe the reason I am reading LC negatively here is that he responded to both aspects of my post (unvote daisy/vote jiwon) in ways that run contrary to my own intentions. But I can see a glint of opportunism in here. That doesn't need to imply anything specific about Daisy herself. A mafia Long Con might just want to appear proactive and not take part in the easy civilian lynch.

It's also entirely possible that LC is town and either one or both of Daisy or Jiwon is bad. But LC did the most recent thing that I found suspicious, so my vote's gonna sit on him for a bit.

My mindset was to be supportive of your push to expand the suspect pool, and to add to the pressure on Jiwon. The nice things I said about Daisy were part of that - it's a better atmosphere if the baddies believe the auto-lynch isn't so automatic after all (though SD is still a top scum candidate).

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