Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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When are you gonna actually make content that is designed to solve people as mafia as opposed to this kinda busy for busy sake stuff you keep pooping onto my thread?
Urist made the wagon on me from a vanity wagon by tutuu that not even Carotte was voting on into a legitimate one and probably(?) influenced nanook to vote on it as well (do correct me if I am wrong about this nanook, your refusal to give clear explanations for your actions means that they're going to be misinterpreted sometimes). I don't think that's a W/W interaction. Like it's not something you should be holding at F3, but if you really think Urist is just omega obvious outed wolf you should be doubting your scumread on me to some extent given this interaction between us.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:36 pmFirstly, I haven't ever entertained that world.Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:34 pmdo you really think the mafia team is me/112/uristMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:30 pm Urist is and continues to be absurdly obvious mafia. Like naked mafia. Dick hanging out of pants mafia.
Secondly, I don't need for the three of you to be mafia for one individual of you to be mafia.
Thirdly, you talk like there is something inherently illogical about that being the team that I should know. Might I remind everyone here that I'm not meticulously reading and analysing all the content for clues in this game. If you feel that there is something inherently illogical about that team being accurate please do tell me lol.
I have a "meh could be scum" read on you. Which is more because I've never played with town you. Have no idea what your scumrange is relative to your town range, and ergo cannot clear you off anything you've done so far.Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:39 pmUrist made the wagon on me from a vanity wagon by tutuu that not even Carotte was voting on into a legitimate one and probably(?) influenced nanook to vote on it as well (do correct me if I am wrong about this nanook, your refusal to give clear explanations for your actions means that they're going to be misinterpreted sometimes). I don't think that's a W/W interaction. Like it's not something you should be holding at F3, but if you really think Urist is just omega obvious outed wolf you should be doubting your scumread on me to some extent given this interaction between us.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:36 pmFirstly, I haven't ever entertained that world.Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:34 pmdo you really think the mafia team is me/112/uristMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:30 pm Urist is and continues to be absurdly obvious mafia. Like naked mafia. Dick hanging out of pants mafia.
Secondly, I don't need for the three of you to be mafia for one individual of you to be mafia.
Thirdly, you talk like there is something inherently illogical about that being the team that I should know. Might I remind everyone here that I'm not meticulously reading and analysing all the content for clues in this game. If you feel that there is something inherently illogical about that team being accurate please do tell me lol.
were you scumreading her before or after her turnip head vote?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:41 pm I’ve been scumreading you from before Urist was IIRC
I don't understand why everyone in this game is so diametrically opposed to the act of justifying the actions they take tbh. I honestly feel like if you don't want to explain your thoughts and actions to others you should just pick a different game to play, because nobody can understand you if you do this and you're at best coasting along on tone or meta without actually trying to impart your thoughts on other players. In this case it wasn't even an offhand thought or whatever, it was literally your focal point for refuting my case on the Amy/proto voters, so if you genuinely feel like offering explanations for your reads is nitpicking or whatever then there's nothing I can do to really engage w/ you sorryMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:38 pmAllison I don't want to get into a two page back and forth with you like you did with Tutuu it's unproductive. If you're gonna unravel and make me answer to every accusation, gut read, random thought or random observation I make this game will end up sucking for you, me and anyone who reads it.Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:36 pm Can you elaborate a bit more about what exactly they've done that you believe is justifiably scummy? Like I'm sorry if you answered this before and I just didn't see or something but I've received no good answers when I ask these questions of anyone else so
Like I get some vague pointing at how proto is saying something they disagree with or making pushes they don't like (despite him doing this every single game), or how Amy being voted produces "wagonomics" and I'm just incredibly unsatisfied with all of those answers. If you think you have better ones feel free to make them explicit to me
Before I thinkUrist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:42 pmwere you scumreading her before or after her turnip head vote?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:41 pm I’ve been scumreading you from before Urist was IIRC
ok congrats you winNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:43 pmBefore I thinkUrist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:42 pmwere you scumreading her before or after her turnip head vote?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:41 pm I’ve been scumreading you from before Urist was IIRC
Off like her third post or something like that
I agree that vanity wagons at EOD is a terrible idea but we still have quite a ways to go before EoD so it's probably fine
It was like her first ten or so postsUrist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:44 pmok congrats you winNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:43 pmBefore I thinkUrist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:42 pmwere you scumreading her before or after her turnip head vote?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:41 pm I’ve been scumreading you from before Urist was IIRC
Off like her third post or something like that
who is scumreading people for asking them to explain rationale?Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:53 pm I do tend to be a fairly pragmatic player and I'd rather adapt to a playstyle than try to get someone to change via brute force but I there are in fact limits to my adaptability and "5 players just randomly decide not to give any rationale behind any of the things they do say or think and scumread anyone who tries to ask them to" crosses that line so I'm just going to do my best to read you accurately, act accordingly and refrain from trying to engage you or convince you of anything from now on
linki: no, TSP hasn't done anything wrong
I was referring to tutuu with that remark, since "Alison is nitpicky by asking me to explain myself and this fits her scum meta in Space Invaders" was a big part of her case against meUrist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:56 pmwho is scumreading people for asking them to explain rationale?Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:53 pm I do tend to be a fairly pragmatic player and I'd rather adapt to a playstyle than try to get someone to change via brute force but I there are in fact limits to my adaptability and "5 players just randomly decide not to give any rationale behind any of the things they do say or think and scumread anyone who tries to ask them to" crosses that line so I'm just going to do my best to read you accurately, act accordingly and refrain from trying to engage you or convince you of anything from now on
linki: no, TSP hasn't done anything wrong
your AtE is getting to me so i'll explain that i do have some reservations about voting with you on TH considering my reason for voting you in the first place was mostly based on your vote for TH.
hm
mhm, and i have difficulty believing that tsp is just lazy town not reading colin properly, because i'd expect him to simply hop on the 112 wagon in that case (tsp's earlier posts indicate a strong conviction that this is 112's wolf meta).Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:04 amhm
I agree that Colin does fall loosely into the "easy, riskless push for mafia to make" category like Amy/proto are like I was arguing earlier. I suppose he has been townread quite a bit this game but I can believe your point that this vote move is suspicious. I wasn't really paying close attention to it but I didn't find anything from TSP that was baldly objectionable so I did not have a strong suspicion on him
I don't really understand what's so scummy about my vote for TH but we'll shelve that aside.Urist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:02 amyour AtE is getting to me so i'll explain that i do have some reservations about voting with you on TH considering my reason for voting you in the first place was mostly based on your vote for TH.
but it's d1 and i've proven that i'm terrible at reading you in general sooooooo whatever
ok, thank you for trying to articulate your reasons; this makes me understand your read on TSP better. the points are valid; I'm going to sleep on the TSP read for a bit and see if I come around on this.Urist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:07 ammhm, and i have difficulty believing that tsp is just lazy town not reading colin properly, because i'd expect him to simply hop on the 112 wagon in that case (tsp's earlier posts indicate a strong conviction that this is 112's wolf meta).Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:04 amhm
I agree that Colin does fall loosely into the "easy, riskless push for mafia to make" category like Amy/proto are like I was arguing earlier. I suppose he has been townread quite a bit this game but I can believe your point that this vote move is suspicious. I wasn't really paying close attention to it but I didn't find anything from TSP that was baldly objectionable so I did not have a strong suspicion on him
tutuu voted for TH in the midst of your argument with her, and you quickly followed. That's what I find scummy about it, there was no pause to consider the intentions of the person you were following onto that wagon.
i don't think you're behaving particularly out of character ftr and I have no real expectation that you'll go into minute detail about reasoning this game (this is why I'm not really scumreading you or directing the majority of my annoyance at you in particular). I was mostly saying that while I am flexible enough to accomodate/adapt to the playstyle of one nanook in most games I play, I don't think I'm ready to adapt to 5 nanooks in the same game, and that's what it felt like for a bit thereNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:08 am Idk why you’d think “yes, this game is the game that nanook will start going into minute detail about the reasoning behind his reads, definitely and for sure, this will be the game”
I have my reads, I’ll explain in a cursory manner for the most part, occasionally I’ll go into more detail when I want to run it by someone. This is normal
meh, i'm more concerned about the vote on amy for "wagonomics" reasons followed by keeping the vote on amy despite the wagon evaporating.Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:08 am I think my points about TH's scumminess are fairly straightforward and easy to understand. TH has been anti-town; TH knows they're anti-town and refuse to change. TH has voted a very easy/lazy push for bad reasons. TH ghosted the thread for a bit and then came back to defend themselves when I called them out. These are behaviors that are, in a vacuum, objectively scummy. Any one of them could be defensible (especially the anti-town bit if that's just their meta like people said) - but taken altogether, it paints a poor picture of TH. Whatever you think about me and my vote for TH, these are facts about TH's behavior that you can evaluate the truth of for yourself.
So?Urist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:11 ammeh, i'm more concerned about the vote on amy for "wagonomics" reasons followed by keeping the vote on amy despite the wagon evaporating.Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:08 am I think my points about TH's scumminess are fairly straightforward and easy to understand. TH has been anti-town; TH knows they're anti-town and refuse to change. TH has voted a very easy/lazy push for bad reasons. TH ghosted the thread for a bit and then came back to defend themselves when I called them out. These are behaviors that are, in a vacuum, objectively scummy. Any one of them could be defensible (especially the anti-town bit if that's just their meta like people said) - but taken altogether, it paints a poor picture of TH. Whatever you think about me and my vote for TH, these are facts about TH's behavior that you can evaluate the truth of for yourself.
pls no
I don't really believe in taking that kind of thing too far into consideration. I found TH scummy for reasons X; reasons X still exist whether or not tutuu votes TH. What if I have a scumread on tutuu as well? Well, perhaps my scumread on tutuu is wrong. Perhaps tutuu is distancing from her buddy. I certainly don't intend to let the voting patterns of someone I think is scum sway me from voting based on objectively scummy behavior or following logic I think is sound.
it's pretty fun listening to him talk about his adventures on other sites.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:12 am Can you imagine star playing a game here kek
I’d laugh so hard
Sure; my overall point is that there are objective reasons to scumread TH and you should not ignore or downplay those reasons just because I voted TH also.Urist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:11 ammeh, i'm more concerned about the vote on amy for "wagonomics" reasons followed by keeping the vote on amy despite the wagon evaporating.Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:08 am I think my points about TH's scumminess are fairly straightforward and easy to understand. TH has been anti-town; TH knows they're anti-town and refuse to change. TH has voted a very easy/lazy push for bad reasons. TH ghosted the thread for a bit and then came back to defend themselves when I called them out. These are behaviors that are, in a vacuum, objectively scummy. Any one of them could be defensible (especially the anti-town bit if that's just their meta like people said) - but taken altogether, it paints a poor picture of TH. Whatever you think about me and my vote for TH, these are facts about TH's behavior that you can evaluate the truth of for yourself.
this tbhNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:10 am Maybe tony and 112 are partners and he pocketed me by making me chuckle
An alarmingly realistic possibility
Maybe I’ll get him to play my avatar game kekUrist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:15 amit's pretty fun listening to him talk about his adventures on other sites.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:12 am Can you imagine star playing a game here kek
I’d laugh so hard
you should invite him!
we certainly are a group of characters, aren't we?? :laugh track:NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:20 amMaybe I’ll get him to play my avatar game kekUrist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:15 amit's pretty fun listening to him talk about his adventures on other sites.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:12 am Can you imagine star playing a game here kek
I’d laugh so hard
you should invite him!
Watching him and people new to him is almost as watching people discover elli for the first time tbh
I'm not good at being town, so I kinda just wing it. There's always one person who just totally hates it, but idk how to play any differentlyAlison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:19 am "Refuses to do anything to help town, only comes into thread to meme/defend themselves when called out, votes player who can't effectively defend herself for sketchy at best reasons and then leaves the vote on her" is like, a list of textbook scummy behavior. If this isn't objectively scummy then I don't know what is.
Give me a good interpretation of your behavior that shows me the town mentality coming from you.
