The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm Yup. Oh well. Anybody get shot? I’m watching JP1 with kids. Arguably irresponsible.

no one died this time

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:47 pm [VOTE: Dyachei] aubergine

can i change my answer?

You didn't feel threatened when I asked you if you felt I was a threat to you?

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Mostly poe. I think Dya is town but I could be wrong. Feel free to at me to argue one way or the other.

Also @Marmot o literally just meant Sabi’s avatar was cute. It is.

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:47 pm [VOTE: Dyachei] aubergine

can i change my answer?

I'm using one of my rare few posts I have left to say that this made me chuckle

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm Yup. Oh well. Anybody get shot? I’m watching JP1 with kids. Arguably irresponsible.

no one died this time

Dya, what are your reads atm?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:54 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm Yup. Oh well. Anybody get shot? I’m watching JP1 with kids. Arguably irresponsible.

no one died this time

Dya, what are your reads atm?

v
jack
SS/Shending
wilgy

lean v
wisdom
seanzie

null
dunya

Lean w
sabi
falcon

mechanical claims:
falcon maybe
sabi
marmot

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:04 pm Due to host error, the postcap for everyone today has been set at 120 (thats 120 total). Please do not exceed this.

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Is Falcon always this.... MIA? Never played with them before

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:09 pm Is Falcon always this.... MIA? Never played with them before

Usually not, which is the main reason I’m voting him, here.

I’ve seen him be MIA like once as town but usually he’s a town spammer.

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:54 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm Yup. Oh well. Anybody get shot? I’m watching JP1 with kids. Arguably irresponsible.

no one died this time

Dya, what are your reads atm?

v
jack
SS/Shending
wilgy

lean v
wisdom
seanzie

null
dunya

Lean w
sabi
falcon

mechanical claims:
falcon maybe
sabi
marmot

This is workable.

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:54 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm Yup. Oh well. Anybody get shot? I’m watching JP1 with kids. Arguably irresponsible.

no one died this time

Dya, what are your reads atm?

v
jack
SS/Shending
wilgy

lean v
wisdom
seanzie

null
dunya

Lean w
sabi
falcon

mechanical claims:
falcon maybe
sabi
marmot

How about Cape?

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:25 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:00 pm Sabi did make the strongest case of anyone to vote hk yesterday. I don't think it's a strong argument because sabi was the counterwagon, but it is still a town point imo

Strongest case huh?

Did you make a strong case against him?

I did find one in P#272, although sabi definitely used more words.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:31 pm I really wanna just use my shot so I can sleep.

Oh goodness

here goes nothing IG... If I learned anything, it's to just trust my gut here

Get the dead out of the thread [dunya]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

I hope this is right

I really think dunia is town this game.

Why are people concerned about her?

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:34 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:32 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:30 pm you know, something feels pretty off about your posts

ohhhhh. talk some more. i don't really see anything off with the posts you quoted, but do go on.

feels like commentary tbh that you are mostly putting out, like you are kinda just going off of other people it feels like to me and not adding much of anything to the convo

That's a reasonable take tbh. That's something I've done before as mafia.

I'm still going to disagree. I still believe she's town here (and no dunia it's not just me compensating for a recent history of reading you incorrectly, it's other gamestate reasons)

Wisdom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:54 pm @Marmot you ready for blast off? I'm heading off to bed soon but would like to see the flip first ^^

I unfortunately will have to take my shot tonight, even though you've gone to bed now.

Full disclosure: I'm in Colorado right now performing as a test subject in a research study on acute mountain sickness (AMS), and it has involved various amounts of hiking and running around mountains (and there's some cute marmots here reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. I'm heading out early tomorrow morning for another long hike.

As such I may not be back before EOD.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:35 pm

Wisdom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:54 pm @Marmot you ready for blast off? I'm heading off to bed soon but would like to see the flip first ^^

I unfortunately will have to take my shot tonight, even though you've gone to bed now.

Full disclosure: I'm in Colorado right now performing as a test subject in a research study on acute mountain sickness (AMS), and it has involved various amounts of hiking and running around mountains (and there's some cute marmots here reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. I'm heading out early tomorrow morning for another long hike.

As such I may not be back before EOD.

Who are you thinking about shooting?

ISOing dya

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:08 am I'm a little skeeved out by wisdom v reading me for what I see as a NAI post.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:03 am I still don't know if I agree SS but it's giving me a better read on you. Your thought process is clear in those posts and I think it reads genuine. light v read

I like these early reads from dya

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:17 pm i dont want to vote seanzie, dunya, alison, SS or NAA today. who does that leave?

This list does look like a salad, though if I look back at dya's posts before this point, these names all end up in either a townread pile, or a "can read later" pile.

dunya is the exception, but I'm willing to overlook that one given their personal history and dunia's lack of activity.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:18 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:18 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:17 pm i dont want to vote seanzie, dunya, alison, SS or NAA today. who does that leave?

HK and Sabi

Im not very good at reading those 2 on d1 so I'd rather vote elsewhere

I don't like this post though, given that hk was mafia, and dya's ruling out a lot of names due to not being able to read them Day 1.

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:24 am

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:16 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:09 am

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:01 am Then i find it quite concerning you have wisdom as concerning tbh

They should be the most clear person in the game from interactions with Alison/HK almost never being w/w ontop of shooting Alison when there were a lot of shots that would've been more consensus at the time. And Wisdom's general tone/solving/WIM is also one of the highest in the game. But even ignoring that last point, I feel your focus this game has been kind of off

I also have troubles with your post yesterday basically saying "Both HK and Alison I wanna leave alive til later before i try reading them, since they get easier to read over time".

you don't think it's weird she's attributing shit to me that I've never said? Like I didnt even have a read on marmot and my read on alison was I do better reading her later

You can't understand why that's concerning fmpov?

I think it's concerning that your view doesn't give off a holistic feeling.

Like, if person A has done a ton of things that should make them very town, and then that person does something that I find rand wolf, maybe I would call it out and question it and try to figure out if I could've been wrong there. But I wouldn't straight up call that person concerning without having the earlier things in mind.

It's different if a person I'm null on would say something that's rand wolf, THEN I might call that person straight up concerning.

It's different in my mind to call a *thing* as off, and what you did, "wisdom is really conerning me". That implies that person is higher on your suspect list and you want others to put focus there.

Which leads me to believe you're not trying to find a towncore but just looking for things to push on (preferably breaking up the current consensus towncore if it's correct), which is how wolves like to do things

1. wisdom is always a hard read for me. I don't clear her or suspect her easily

2. concerning does not mean wolf. It means I'm confused about the things she's attributing to me. I can see several reasons for this. Only 1 is that she's a wolf trying to set me up. She could be misattributing posts to me that werent mine - like sabi heavily defended alison based on a brad read. is she thinking of that? Where is this read of marmot that's being attribute to me coming from?

3. I have started a towncore and it has you in it. Probably Jack as well. I'm sticking with people I can read better than wisdom, despite what you may think about her

Here's another example of dya stating that they have trouble reading people. Is everyone in this game hard to read except for me? Dya is committing to reads here and there. I do think waffling can and does often look townie, but it normally comes when someone finds reasons to both v-read and w-read people, and in some cases, neither of these things are happening here for dya, which is what I don't like.

I'm also a little confused as to why Jack is in dya's towncore. I don't agree with that read. On the flip side, I agree with dunia that I think Jack looks like he's trying to pocket dya this game.



I'm too lazy to quote the posts from dya after the above ones, but dya's Day 2 content does look a lot better to me than Day 1. I agree with most of their read list (give or take) with the exception of Jack. And they did begin to sort people after the posts I complained about above. Overall, I think they still belong in POE though, mainly because of their handling of hk and Alison Day 1.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:36 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:35 pm

Wisdom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:54 pm @Marmot you ready for blast off? I'm heading off to bed soon but would like to see the flip first ^^

I unfortunately will have to take my shot tonight, even though you've gone to bed now.

Full disclosure: I'm in Colorado right now performing as a test subject in a research study on acute mountain sickness (AMS), and it has involved various amounts of hiking and running around mountains (and there's some cute marmots here reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. I'm heading out early tomorrow morning for another long hike.

As such I may not be back before EOD.

Who are you thinking about shooting?

Someone in the following group:

Jack
falcon
dya
Sabi
Spacedaisy

I'm leaning toward Jack because dya and falcon are both wagons right now, and I'd rather shoot POE outside of the main wagon(s) so as to keep the day from becoming too chaotic from votes moving.

I've also never been a day vig before. (Oh wait actually I was once, and I shot your teammate hk in that one game on Day 1, but that was over a year ago). Does this tactic seem reasonable? What do you think about these names?

Is anyone else here rn?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:05 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:36 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:35 pm

Wisdom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:54 pm @Marmot you ready for blast off? I'm heading off to bed soon but would like to see the flip first ^^

I unfortunately will have to take my shot tonight, even though you've gone to bed now.

Full disclosure: I'm in Colorado right now performing as a test subject in a research study on acute mountain sickness (AMS), and it has involved various amounts of hiking and running around mountains (and there's some cute marmots here reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. I'm heading out early tomorrow morning for another long hike.

As such I may not be back before EOD.

Who are you thinking about shooting?

Someone in the following group:

Jack
falcon
dya
Sabi
Spacedaisy

I'm leaning toward Jack because dya and falcon are both wagons right now, and I'd rather shoot POE outside of the main wagon(s) so as to keep the day from becoming too chaotic from votes moving.

I've also never been a day vig before. (Oh wait actually I was once, and I shot your teammate hk in that one game on Day 1, but that was over a year ago). Does this tactic seem reasonable? What do you think about these names?

I would not shoot Falcon, but I can see why he is on that list. His wagon is dirty af though (almost so dirty I wanna do a TWTBAW-type read and actually think he has to be wolf, but like this is such bad reasoning I just don't have enough tinfoil on hand to really support it).

I'd also remove SpaceDaisy just becuase if they're a wolf and gonna play like this all game, they will become a policy elim quickly.

Jack, Dya, Sabi is a list I can get on board with. Jack I am not as confident on as my ITA shot should suggest but like... yeahhh....

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:10 pm Is anyone else here rn?

Define here.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:15 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:05 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:36 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:35 pm

Wisdom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:54 pm @Marmot you ready for blast off? I'm heading off to bed soon but would like to see the flip first ^^

I unfortunately will have to take my shot tonight, even though you've gone to bed now.

Full disclosure: I'm in Colorado right now performing as a test subject in a research study on acute mountain sickness (AMS), and it has involved various amounts of hiking and running around mountains (and there's some cute marmots here reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. I'm heading out early tomorrow morning for another long hike.

As such I may not be back before EOD.

Who are you thinking about shooting?

Someone in the following group:

Jack
falcon
dya
Sabi
Spacedaisy

I'm leaning toward Jack because dya and falcon are both wagons right now, and I'd rather shoot POE outside of the main wagon(s) so as to keep the day from becoming too chaotic from votes moving.

I've also never been a day vig before. (Oh wait actually I was once, and I shot your teammate hk in that one game on Day 1, but that was over a year ago). Does this tactic seem reasonable? What do you think about these names?

I would not shoot Falcon, but I can see why he is on that list. His wagon is dirty af though (almost so dirty I wanna do a TWTBAW-type read and actually think he has to be wolf, but like this is such bad reasoning I just don't have enough tinfoil on hand to really support it).

I'd also remove SpaceDaisy just becuase if they're a wolf and gonna play like this all game, they will become a policy elim quickly.

Jack, Dya, Sabi is a list I can get on board with. Jack I am not as confident on as my ITA shot should suggest but like... yeahhh....

Eh, I said the TWTBAW thing wrong. Falcon's alignment is not affected by that read. I almost want to think I am wrong about remaining wolves because they're all parked on one spot.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:10 pm Is anyone else here rn?

I have been in 6 states in the past 2 days, so if "here" is broad enough and US-located, then like... with reasonably high constant probability, yes.

I don't actually want to shoot SD, I have her just outside of poe. I'm just putting her there because Shen asked me to.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:15 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:10 pm Is anyone else here rn?

Define here.

This counts.

I also want to go to bed in the next 15 minutes, but I'm posting a thing on Jack in a moment.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:19 pm I also want to go to bed in the next 15 minutes, but I'm posting a thing on Jack in a moment.

I'm assuming you also want to shoot before that 15 minutes is up, so I will try to read and respond to the Jack post quickly if you want me to.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:20 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:19 pm I also want to go to bed in the next 15 minutes, but I'm posting a thing on Jack in a moment.

I'm assuming you also want to shoot before that 15 minutes is up, so I will try to read and respond to the Jack post quickly if you want me to.

Correct

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:27 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:27 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:26 am Dya: I can read Jack well
Me: Strong conflicted feelings

I've done it before and I'll do it again. I was one of the only people defending you in champs finale that year and that's the meta I'm using

I’m not saying you can’t read me well. It’s just that it’s good for townDya to correctly townread townJack itg right now given we are both in the poe but it’s long run bad for future wolfJacks if you can correctly read me. Hence internal conflict.

This is that pockety post I mentioned with regards to Jack. Especially given that Jack and dya are both POE, and Jack is trying to convince them to TR him.

Jack technically hadn't stated a TR on dya yet, but his next post is

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:29 am

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:33 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:35 am

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:34 am So Axe V lean, me V lean, wisdom W lean

Is that all you have so far dya?

No thoughts at all bout Sabi / HK / Sean / Alison?

I'm not the best reader of sabi so holding off there for now. HK i usually get better at reading as time goes on. Same with alison

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:17 pm i dont want to vote seanzie, dunya, alison, SS or NAA today. who does that leave?

Why didn't you add HK to the people you didn't wanna vote, if he's in the same bucket as Alison as a person you think you're better at reading as the game goes on?

What differentiated those 2 people in your mind when you made this list of "i dont wanna vote"?

Honestly, it would be kinda weird for a wolf to try to forgo reading two different partners under the idea they are good at reading them later. Plus, I think HK is kinda easy to read? Like his town and wolf games aren’t the same.

He does offer a defense of dya, so it is trending that direction.

They could be partners, but if one of them is a wolf, I do think these interactions point to Jack.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:01 pm I agree with dunia that I think Jack looks like he's trying to pocket dya this game.

I'm slightly worried that Dya is trying to pocket me but we'll see.

I just realized that my shotlist is literally falcon, and everyone on his wagon lmao

Ok not shooting him.

Just vote Jack with me my guy

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:26 pm Just vote Jack with me my guy

I have a vig shot to use and won't be back before EOD, so I need to vote and shoot now.

Any opinions Wilgy?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:23 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:27 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:27 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:26 am Dya: I can read Jack well
Me: Strong conflicted feelings

I've done it before and I'll do it again. I was one of the only people defending you in champs finale that year and that's the meta I'm using

I’m not saying you can’t read me well. It’s just that it’s good for townDya to correctly townread townJack itg right now given we are both in the poe but it’s long run bad for future wolfJacks if you can correctly read me. Hence internal conflict.

This is that pockety post I mentioned with regards to Jack. Especially given that Jack and dya are both POE, and Jack is trying to convince them to TR him.

Jack technically hadn't stated a TR on dya yet, but his next post is

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:29 am

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:33 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:35 am

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:34 am So Axe V lean, me V lean, wisdom W lean

Is that all you have so far dya?

No thoughts at all bout Sabi / HK / Sean / Alison?

I'm not the best reader of sabi so holding off there for now. HK i usually get better at reading as time goes on. Same with alison

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:17 pm i dont want to vote seanzie, dunya, alison, SS or NAA today. who does that leave?

Why didn't you add HK to the people you didn't wanna vote, if he's in the same bucket as Alison as a person you think you're better at reading as the game goes on?

What differentiated those 2 people in your mind when you made this list of "i dont wanna vote"?

Honestly, it would be kinda weird for a wolf to try to forgo reading two different partners under the idea they are good at reading them later. Plus, I think HK is kinda easy to read? Like his town and wolf games aren’t the same.

He does offer a defense of dya, so it is trending that direction.

They could be partners, but if one of them is a wolf, I do think these interactions point to Jack.

I don't know if I have the same perception as you of the first post. Jack seems to be mildly suspecting Dya in the first quote, but then the way Jack walks that back in the outer-most quote is weird, and possibly pockety. The fact that the exchange went from adversarial to pockety on Jack's posts though I think does support your idea that Jack is more likely wolf out of the two.

I don't get a lot out of the second post, unfortunately.

I kinda do think jack and dya have atleast one wolf in that pair but I will reread in the morning. Kinda sleepy rn

Kill submitted, fingers crossed.

@Sabiplz thoughts on who Marmot should shoot?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:27 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:26 pm Just vote Jack with me my guy

I have a vig shot to use and won't be back before EOD, so I need to vote and shoot now.

So shoot me or Dya, if you won't shoot Falcon and you townread Dunya.

Preferably Dya so if I'm wrong, theres a wolf and if I'm right, Falcon goes over me and we still eliminate the two consensus suspects.

I'd prefer you shoot Falcon but fmpov, shooting Dya instead does the same thing.

Idk why you'd wanna shoot me cause there's literally not a woolfy post in my iso but you do you.

Voting jack for now so that dya isn't in the hammer zone (are there hammers in this game)

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:31 pm Kill submitted, fingers crossed.

lol welp

@Marmot has shot @Jackofhearts2005

Jack flips town, VT.

Day continues, with 11 alive the hammer is now 6.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:32 pm @Sabiplz thoughts on who Marmot should shoot?

Falcon or dya tbh

I was uh too late

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:33 pm @Marmot has shot @Jackofhearts2005

Jack flips town, VT.

Day continues, with 11 alive the hammer is now 6.

Spoiler: show

@Cape90@DrWilgy@dunya@dyachei@falcon45ca@Marmot@sabiplz@Seanzie@Shending_Help@Spacedaisy@Wisdom

Well this is bad.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:32 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:27 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:26 pm Just vote Jack with me my guy

I have a vig shot to use and won't be back before EOD, so I need to vote and shoot now.

So shoot me or Dya, if you won't shoot Falcon and you townread Dunya.

Preferably Dya so if I'm wrong, theres a wolf and if I'm right, Falcon goes over me and we still eliminate the two consensus suspects.

I'd prefer you shoot Falcon but fmpov, shooting Dya instead does the same thing.

Idk why you'd wanna shoot me cause there's literally not a woolfy post in my iso but you do you.

Please be a wolf so that my vig accuracy remains 100% :polidab:

Mentally my vote is on dya but hammer zone

Welp