The Syndicate

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:44 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:49 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:27 pm Eh
Questions for the crowd:
- For those who switched to Porscha; what inspired the change?
- General thoughts coming out of EOD?
&
- Where are people at roughly with their thoughts?
I feel like things were quiet as is but without Nutella pushing things forward, its. More quiet. So whenever someone does check in I'd appreciate a response to these ^^

I switched to Porscha pretty close to EOD, when they were ahead of second place by 5-3, my vote making it 6-3. My vote wasn't changing the results anyway, but I hopped on because I felt like it, I guess.

My thoughts are that PSV is a Wolf, and I'm voting that way, and I'd be fine with others doing the same.

Noted! \o/

Leaning towards voting PSV considering how EOD went as well, I am very curious about the pivot in general though because if the vote went from wolf -> town in a sudden burst, I think there's likely a wolf in those who piled on once things built up. I know it was mainly town-driven given Nutella's flip but like. A pure pivot onto a lowposter from someone who wasn't doing great engagement wise seems really odd ?_?

this is scum.
the other 17 words are useless
i caught one

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:53 pm Maybe DarlingMonroe, could hop on a vote in that direction if there's interest. Or Scotty.

Weird, considering I’m currently voting your wolf read.

But no matter,

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:53 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:44 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:49 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:27 pm Eh
Questions for the crowd:
- For those who switched to Porscha; what inspired the change?
- General thoughts coming out of EOD?
&
- Where are people at roughly with their thoughts?
I feel like things were quiet as is but without Nutella pushing things forward, its. More quiet. So whenever someone does check in I'd appreciate a response to these ^^

I switched to Porscha pretty close to EOD, when they were ahead of second place by 5-3, my vote making it 6-3. My vote wasn't changing the results anyway, but I hopped on because I felt like it, I guess.

My thoughts are that PSV is a Wolf, and I'm voting that way, and I'd be fine with others doing the same.

Noted! \o/

Leaning towards voting PSV considering how EOD went as well, I am very curious about the pivot in general though because if the vote went from wolf -> town in a sudden burst, I think there's likely a wolf in those who piled on once things built up. I know it was mainly town-driven given Nutella's flip but like. A pure pivot onto a lowposter from someone who wasn't doing great engagement wise seems really odd ?_?

this is scum.
the other 17 words are useless
i caught one

Unclear about why this post specifically is scum indicative. This seems like most of delta’s posts thus

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:53 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:44 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:49 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:27 pm Eh
Questions for the crowd:
- For those who switched to Porscha; what inspired the change?
- General thoughts coming out of EOD?
&
- Where are people at roughly with their thoughts?
I feel like things were quiet as is but without Nutella pushing things forward, its. More quiet. So whenever someone does check in I'd appreciate a response to these ^^

I switched to Porscha pretty close to EOD, when they were ahead of second place by 5-3, my vote making it 6-3. My vote wasn't changing the results anyway, but I hopped on because I felt like it, I guess.

My thoughts are that PSV is a Wolf, and I'm voting that way, and I'd be fine with others doing the same.

Noted! \o/

Leaning towards voting PSV considering how EOD went as well, I am very curious about the pivot in general though because if the vote went from wolf -> town in a sudden burst, I think there's likely a wolf in those who piled on once things built up. I know it was mainly town-driven given Nutella's flip but like. A pure pivot onto a lowposter from someone who wasn't doing great engagement wise seems really odd ?_?

this is scum.
the other 17 words are useless
i caught one

Wasted a post on being wrong, that's rough x_x

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:08 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:38 pm Hey, I love that I am getting into a number of townlean lists. I highly doubt I deserve it, and maybe it's a bit suspicious to be doing that. Pretty sure that's why I said Delta and Scotty are bad.

Still getting a feel for things, I work all day and I went out yesterday evening, so... I've read everything, not much has caught my attention. I felt *intrigued* by the tutuu suspicions though. If none of my lame suspicions go through, I'll probably hop on over there.

this doesn't feel right to me

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:38 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:00 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 1:16 am I'm trying out a new kind of read list. I think this diagram is going to help me understand every connection between the players and eventually solve the game. Prepare for genius

Spoiler: show

.....eventually

I townread Nutella but I'm super on board with this and would probably pretend to townread Nutella if she was a wagon just to see where this bit goes.

Can you rephrase?

I think her chart is funny.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:33 pm Townlist: Nutella, Delta, Monroe, Lime
Townleanlist: Tutuu, Wilgy, Cape
Idklist: Alexy, Illario, Porscha
Scumleanlist: LC, PSV

That's where I'm at

Why do you feel better about Cape than ilario?

Because Cape is doing things that feel townie and that feel valid and Illario's posts just kinda go in one ear and out the other.

Why is PSV asking me this specifically? Do you like think they're similar?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:01 pm I don't like tutuu's ~tone~ in that it feels incredibly different from the (again, n=1) game that I played with her wherein she stormed in, declared herself super towny, and did a bunch of solving. Granted she was subbing in there so different situation but meh. The humility here is strange.

This could easily be a scummy take, provided Tutuu is in fact town. Not a sure thing, though.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:09 pm also I made a booboo in my other post lol it should be [vota] tutuu [/vota]
I am not a professional.
Anyway that is my strongest leaning thus far.
I also don't feel great about Cape (his commentary on the ilario stuff is just... strange?) so I'd probably go there next. If I don't die.
Not sure why Scotty's getting the last part of his sentences sent to jail but he is my strongest townlean. I also want to say nutella seems good.

I guess it's just particularly a scumread on Cape for some reason. Okay.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:12 pm Bluh I don't want to elim you really but if tutuu is the only competing wagon I don't want to vote there and don't see anything else happening and several people aren't here for eod

Feels bad

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:13 pm @Porscha never came back lol we could just kill her

Very unclear why Nutella decides PSV is town and we should eliminate Porscha. Just kinda happens.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:15 pm Her entrance was wolfy and she did nothing else so yeah let's go with that

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:15 pmJoin me

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:16 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Shrugmisyeet from players I townread/that are confirmed town. Bleh. I want something jucier.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:20 pm @nutella What makes Porscha's entrance wolfy to you? It seems pretty NAI, just fluffy to me.
Or is it more the absence of anything substantial to come afterward?

Does wolf PSV do this?

If PSV is bad, then LimeCoke could be bad as well.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:39 pm I'm getting hesitancies on voting ShelterVet while she's posting currently and I'm going with my instincts there.

Porscha just feels like a better vote at that point.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:45 pm Cape vote Porscha.

There's an odd degree of desperation, here.

I'm actually gonna call it townie because I'm more likely to push for people to join me on a wagon I find to be 15% wolfier as a townie but I don't think I ever do this as a wolf unless I'm reeeeeeeally pushing for an important misyeet. Rarely does it happen on D1.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:06 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:20 pm @nutella What makes Porscha's entrance wolfy to you? It seems pretty NAI, just fluffy to me.
Or is it more the absence of anything substantial to come afterward?

Does wolf PSV do this?

I don't see why not? It's wishy-washy on the opinion, somewhat performative in the softball questions. It would look townier if PSV had just gone and judged Porscha's opening post to see if there's a wolfy angle.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:07 pm If PSV is bad, then LimeCoke could be bad as well.

Mechanical lack of knowledge aside, does Lime really push this way to defend wolf partner PSV? And then turns around and shoots Nutella, who townreads them both?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:12 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:07 pm If PSV is bad, then LimeCoke could be bad as well.

Mechanical lack of knowledge aside, does Lime really push this way to defend wolf partner PSV? And then turns around and shoots Nutella, who townreads them both?

I'm usually right when I say stuff like this but when I'm not, I feel extra stupid because I didn't get fooled so much as I fooled myself. Oh well.

I mean

I think how PSV approached the vote is kinda awkward because Porscha was their lifeline D1, kinda feels a little like 'oh why do you scumread this townie i really need an excuse to self pres' more than being genuinely interested

I dont think Brad would be paired with PSV because if they're already playing for an out when being voted, which looks bad enough in hindsight, I dont think a partner being towned is then gonna burn his own cred by joining in? I'd expect him to be far more careful there if w/w with PSV

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:58 pm So, Porscha's goin' down. I don't have an argument against it. Her ISO is mostly fluff, I guess. [VOTE: porscha] aubergine

This is my least favorite Porscha vote.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:06 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:20 pm @nutella What makes Porscha's entrance wolfy to you? It seems pretty NAI, just fluffy to me.
Or is it more the absence of anything substantial to come afterward?

Does wolf PSV do this?

I don't see why not? It's wishy-washy on the opinion, somewhat performative in the softball questions. It would look townier if PSV had just gone and judged Porscha's opening post to see if there's a wolfy angle.

I mean....she does do exactly that. Comes back saying it's NAI.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:12 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:07 pm If PSV is bad, then LimeCoke could be bad as well.

Mechanical lack of knowledge aside, does Lime really push this way to defend wolf partner PSV? And then turns around and shoots Nutella, who townreads them both?

You may have a point.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:15 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:58 pm So, Porscha's goin' down. I don't have an argument against it. Her ISO is mostly fluff, I guess. [VOTE: porscha] aubergine

This is my least favorite Porscha vote.

Why?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:16 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:06 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:20 pm @nutella What makes Porscha's entrance wolfy to you? It seems pretty NAI, just fluffy to me.
Or is it more the absence of anything substantial to come afterward?

Does wolf PSV do this?

I don't see why not? It's wishy-washy on the opinion, somewhat performative in the softball questions. It would look townier if PSV had just gone and judged Porscha's opening post to see if there's a wolfy angle.

I mean....she does do exactly that. Comes back saying it's NAI.

Mmm, yeah... I was reading it as "they seem pretty NAI, etc".

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:00 pm It was another productive day at work, albeit unusually violent. But that's just how the cookie crumbles, as they say. Hah Hah Hah.

You enter the elevator to go home. The door closes.

You blink.

The door opens. Time for another great workday at Lumon!

Closing Hours One have ended. @nutella was retired. She was:

Spoiler: show

You're a severed employee working at Lumon Industries (town).

You have no special abilities.

Workday Two is underway. You have 48 hours to vote someone out.

Spoiler: show

@Alexy
@Cape90
@DarlingMonroe
@Delta
@DrWilgy
@ilario
@Jackofhearts2005
@Lime Coke
@Long Con
@potentialsheltervet
@Scotty
@tutuu

Nutella dies.

Nightkills tend to be for one of four reasons.

1) Good reads. - Nutella was wrong EOD1 so no. (don't @ me)
2) Mostly good reads, actual EOD vote aside. Maybe.
3) Widely townread. Yes.
4) WIFOM nonsense. Given this is D1, probably not.

So we're left with two options. Either Nutella was wrong about Porscha but right about other things (PSV being town, this in general)

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:34 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:33 pm Townlist: Nutella, Delta, Monroe, Lime
Townleanlist: Tutuu, Wilgy, Cape
Idklist: Alexy, Illario, Porscha
Scumleanlist: LC, PSV

That's where I'm at

Not bad

I could actually go for LC too I guess, page one snapreads goated

or because Nutella was widely townread and nobody is correct.

The problem here is that I had very similar reads to Nutella and was less widely townread than her. So if we're both wrong? Nutella gets shot before me. If we're both right? Nutella gets shot before me. The big difference in our reads was PSV town (Nutella) vs PSV wolf (Jack).

Maybe a good look for PSV. Probably a bad look for LC. Need to compare with Cape/Lime reads.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:15 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:58 pm So, Porscha's goin' down. I don't have an argument against it. Her ISO is mostly fluff, I guess. [VOTE: porscha] aubergine

This is my least favorite Porscha vote.

Why?

Cause it seems like happy to jump on a bad wagon without good reasoning. Yeah, it didn't matter in the end but it still feels yucky. Whereas at least Nutella and Lime are voting there because they already townread Tutuu and are acquiring townreads on PSV. I get what they're doing from a town perspective. I don't get what you're doing.

Also because I just already have you as wolfier than the rest of the wagon so like

I don't think Workday 1/2 is just a themejoke. I think we're the innies. Though I guess that isn't particularly important.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:21 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:20 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:18 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:49 pm Porscha
6
43%
Voters: Lime Coke, tutuu, nutella, Long Con, Cape90, potentialsheltervet

I suspect there is at least one wolf in here. It's not nutella, obviously. I'm inclined to think not Brad either. Hm.

I have to agree w/ the train of thought at least 1 wolf in here. Not sure who though. Obvs, I am inclined to feel tutuu as a wolfie, but given how I was wrong of nutella read, don't feel that confident on that take anymore.

What logic is there that says there's any wolves in there?

You really think no wolf jumped in the opportunity to lynch a townie? I do feel the arguments for Porscha being bad were not strong at all.

Not wrong.

JaCk MuLtIpOsTs As MaFiA

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:29 pm JaCk MuLtIpOsTs As MaFiA

Time to disappear for a few hours, as per the meta

@potentialsheltervet you mentioned thinking there's a wolf on the Porscha wagon, where are you at with that currently?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:22 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:20 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:18 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:49 pm Porscha
6
43%
Voters: Lime Coke, tutuu, nutella, Long Con, Cape90, potentialsheltervet

I suspect there is at least one wolf in here. It's not nutella, obviously. I'm inclined to think not Brad either. Hm.

I have to agree w/ the train of thought at least 1 wolf in here. Not sure who though. Obvs, I am inclined to feel tutuu as a wolfie, but given how I was wrong of nutella read, don't feel that confident on that take anymore.

What logic is there that says there's any wolves in there?

In my opinion, the momentum of the wagon.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:25 pm But imo Brad is probably the least likely in the wagon to be a wolf given he was explicitly on it to save tutuu. That'd be kind of a strange move unless they're wolves together. No point in going so hard for someone under a relatively high amount of pressure.

I feel like this line of inquiry is town indicative.

Same for Monroe but I already townread Monroe.

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

-robyn

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:30 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:29 pm JaCk MuLtIpOsTs As MaFiA

Time to disappear for a few hours, as per the meta

I already did that part but I didn't want to write that out in spongebob dumbo speak.

I have a week off work starting now and a new Paradox video game. Ya'll are lucky you're getting me at all.

Which is to say you're lucky I'm like compelled to solve cases.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:32 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:30 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:29 pm JaCk MuLtIpOsTs As MaFiA

Time to disappear for a few hours, as per the meta

I already did that part but I didn't want to write that out in spongebob dumbo speak.

Boring

Does anyone townread Long Con? Convince me we shouldn't yeet him.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:33 pm Does anyone townread Long Con? Convince me we shouldn't yeet him.

I mean

I do kinda yeah :wowee: I thought his D1 felt different to Beans Mafia & similar to Guitar Mafia. It's not impossible for someone to change up their meta but it feels like such a short time between the two games that I think he's kinda townie for it

I also havent really minded his posting too much in general? Since yeah once again there feels like a difference & a more genuine drive to solve in this game compared to the last

LC's alignment is traditionally determined as follows.

Jack lowkey suspects LC and latches on and helps get him yeeted - LC is town
Jack lowkey suspects LC and lets it go because other priorities and worried about the above case - LC is mafia

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:37 pm LC's alignment is traditionally determined as follows.

Jack lowkey suspects LC and latches on and helps get him yeeted - LC is town
Jack lowkey suspects LC and lets it go because other priorities and worried about the above case - LC is mafia

I dont want to sound like 'oh I played one game with Long Con & my read is now perfect mwahahahah' or such but I dunno. I'm not getting the vibes I did when he was a wolf

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:25 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:15 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:58 pm So, Porscha's goin' down. I don't have an argument against it. Her ISO is mostly fluff, I guess. [VOTE: porscha] aubergine

This is my least favorite Porscha vote.

Why?

Cause it seems like happy to jump on a bad wagon without good reasoning. Yeah, it didn't matter in the end but it still feels yucky. Whereas at least Nutella and Lime are voting there because they already townread Tutuu and are acquiring townreads on PSV. I get what they're doing from a town perspective. I don't get what you're doing.

Also because I just already have you as wolfier than the rest of the wagon so like

I think I explained it during that EOD but I did it mostly to save Tutuu, was having second thoughts on SPV and I saw someone else that might've been mafia in my eyes.

Of course that ended up going south.

@Jackofhearts2005

How are you reading Cape/Ilario right now?

Jack at this point is obvious town.

I'm rereading D1 and looking at the whole Cape/Ilario stuff and kinda went 'huh. that happened I guess'

& a few people wolfread Cape, maybe some glances at Ilario?, for it but for the most part it kinda just feels like people nodded, acknowledged it and moved on. Which is weird because that was pretty much the focus of both of their days.

I think both have had moments where they're individually townie but if that's 2 town going at each other, I think it would have more attention drawn to it than what it did?

I dont really know, it's something I think I'll look into a little here, see who paid most/least attention to it & what that means for them both

For now: [VOTE: PSV] aubergine because I dont really like how they approached EOD when being voted & the Porscha stuff feels awkward

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:55 pm @Jackofhearts2005

How are you reading Cape/Ilario right now?

I actually like Cape this game thus far (He's kinda in the same boat as you?) and Ilario...idk I'm waiting for him to do more he's kind of just treading water.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:59 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:55 pm @Jackofhearts2005

How are you reading Cape/Ilario right now?

I actually like Cape this game thus far (He's kinda in the same boat as you?) and Ilario...idk I'm waiting for him to do more he's kind of just treading water.

OH good timing \o/ can you let me know what you think of what I just said about the two of them?

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:00 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:59 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:55 pm @Jackofhearts2005

How are you reading Cape/Ilario right now?

I actually like Cape this game thus far (He's kinda in the same boat as you?) and Ilario...idk I'm waiting for him to do more he's kind of just treading water.

OH good timing \o/ can you let me know what you think of what I just said about the two of them?

Eh idk how much I want to look into that. I feel like whenever the both of them are in a game together they end up going after each other throughout most of the game. So that was sort of why I ignored that.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:03 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:00 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:59 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:55 pm @Jackofhearts2005

How are you reading Cape/Ilario right now?

I actually like Cape this game thus far (He's kinda in the same boat as you?) and Ilario...idk I'm waiting for him to do more he's kind of just treading water.

OH good timing \o/ can you let me know what you think of what I just said about the two of them?

Eh idk how much I want to look into that. I feel like whenever the both of them are in a game together they end up going after each other throughout most of the game. So that was sort of why I ignored that.

I did notice that Cape mentioned always scumreading him a few times but eh, part of me is like 'the silence surrounding whatever happened there is weird'

Maybe I'm reading too much into it? I'd like to go over it a little more regardless since my main thought there is 'if there's 2 town going at it, feed into it not ignore it'

@Cape90 why'd you pivot to Porscha if you had PSV as a scumlean?

i don't have the word count to explain
delta is lockwolf
cya d3

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:10 pm i don't have the word count to explain
delta is lockwolf
cya d3