The Syndicate

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:21 am wait fuck scotty might be town but i can’t explain this

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:22 am the reason is straight awful but it might be right

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:28 am actually ignore me

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:08 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:58 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:53 am

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:52 pm I’ve turned around on Cape- even tho he doesn’t have a lot of posts, what posts he has made are actual reads. Obviously I would like him to expand on them, but he’s making definitive reads

Thunal on the surface looks fine with their reads, if not making reads that come off as half baked. And no one wants a half baked pie, except maybe the stray cat that hangs out on my patio after dark. He’ll eat anything.
Scumlean

this post is actually disgusting, but i have to read cape's posts in the interim, either way blahhhh, early shade on cape who is the easiest mischop on this side of the mississippi is just not a good look for a player of scotty's stature and understanding

This post seems opportunistic.

Of all the people having suspicions on me, yours feels hollow

[VOTE: robyn] aubergine

of course, i only voted u because bereft did, i never suspected u until after reading ur iso

the only real reason was to see u under pressure, i'd never vote for a bad post and i know that i looked at your iso after i was already slightly conf bias

i was gonna unvote u a few posts ago because your read on cape and suspicion of jjj (before you tr him, but after too, mainly before) felt organic

anyway ur still town

Does not compute.

You are basically admitting you are sheeping bereft and are not coming to conclusions on your own.

@Bereft i don’t know your relationship with Robyn, but do you feel like you would be confident in determining if Robyn is pocketing you? Do you feel that this game, or no?

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:21 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:15 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

I'm probably most comfortable with my vote here for the night.

did i miss something?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:12 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:09 am i am really not used to not saying everything that comes to mind, usually i just censor what would get me banned/reported

While I don't say everything that comes to mind, I do say most of it. More often than just refraining outright from saying things (barring emotionality or reads I know are too silly), I say what I want to say with careful and deliberate wording and tone. If there are thoughts you wish to express, there are usually ways to do it without encouraging the negative outcomes you wish to avoid.

my brain wrote:A brainiac child goes to the Build-a-Bear workshop, and instead of stuffing, adds a super computer. He brings that bear everywhere, and it helps him with homework, laundry, taxes, and even gets him to buy his first pack of cigarettes. Not to smoke them, or course- he knows better, because the bear told him the dangers of tobacco. No, the bear got on the kid’s shoulders and would wear a long trenchcoat so the 7-11 employee was none the wiser.
The bear creates a business plan to install a small contraband network with the underage degenerates in class, and the kid makes bank fist over fist.
Eventually the bear outgrows the kid, and heads to Vegas to count cards and get hookers. He doesn’t actually bet- he just likes counting. And he never touches the hookers- he just helps with their self esteem and creates a business plan. In his spare time, he researches cool adjectives, rolls around in funky-smelling spots (because he is a bear, after all!, and teaches Economics part-time at the local community college. When he’s feeling particularly bored, he’ll play a silly game of mafia online with a bunch of Neanderthals.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:45 am I will murder a zero poster if I feel like it.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Nah, this helps not at all

If it’s between a no poster and me, I’d rather go over so we learn something

(I mean, obviously I don’t want it to be me, but my point stands)

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:23 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:14 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:01 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:53 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:44 amrobyn

if i had found u as town would i be a confident tr btw?

or do u just respect my wolfgame that much

my answer to this question would always be no so I am not sure why you are asking this

I do generally think your posts are good, but they haven't leapt out at me as really towny like Bereft's recently have honestly. I think around the point when you started questioning my thunal vote while also being on thunal yourself was pretty towny though, and yes all of those listed are in order.

some people would say yes

understandable, and what do you think about my constant lying so far?

Mostly NAI, felt okay about the lying to thunal thing because it felt bait-y

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:25 pm I made an important point about Scotty in my blind interaction analysis. I’d love feedback on that in particular.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:20 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:03 pm @Thunal33, I had the same thought that Cape's quick flurry of anti-Scotty propaganda might be more about getting out of trouble than actually suspecting Scotty. However, he made some points I thought were legitimately compelling too.

I think subscribing to Thunal's logic is silly, like why would I not only feel the need to get pressure off myself but also bus at the same time? Like to me that's a pretty bad mafia play unless I was gonna play exactly like ilario or something from my mafia team of Severance that u hosted. But you also said you dont in like another post. Generally I am anti bus early on, like I would vaguely sus my maf partners verbally if they were sussing me and if the thread direction was really going that way, then i might succumb. Like I didnt have a good voting record in my recent scum game here.

I felt kinda strange about ur dynamic with me/Scotty and how hard you shifted into me all of the sudden being scum from your light town reads. Felt like you were building specifically scumreads off consensus

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:59 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:58 am okay serious question, did u enjoy playing mafia today? or was it more grindy than anything

I mostly enjoyed it. Day 1 is my favorite day of the game.

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:02 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:59 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:58 am okay serious question, did u enjoy playing mafia today? or was it more grindy than anything

I mostly enjoyed it. Day 1 is my favorite day of the game.

i like the late game where it comes down to calculation instead of observation and judgement calls. i think that’s why i also prefer the mafia alignment, i feel like it’s grindy and calculation based where i don’t have to be so confused

d1 is nice big i post a lot to imitate/fake influence which i don't have or want really

blah

assuming i’m town what could i do better here fypov?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:31 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:25 pm I made an important point about Scotty in my blind interaction analysis. I’d love feedback on that in particular.

I've been burned pretty badly before by making the read of "they're not wolf because they're not teamed with anyone" so I take that with caution especially when there are inactive players. A lot of the unpairings you made I agree with, like Scotty/SVS or Scotty/LoRab not being teamed. Can you explain the Scotty/Bereft unpairing?

It does lower the odds of Scotty being scum somewhat but I don't take it as a strong point.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:40 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:31 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:25 pm I made an important point about Scotty in my blind interaction analysis. I’d love feedback on that in particular.

I've been burned pretty badly before by making the read of "they're not wolf because they're not teamed with anyone" so I take that with caution especially when there are inactive players. A lot of the unpairings you made I agree with, like Scotty/SVS or Scotty/LoRab not being teamed. Can you explain the Scotty/Bereft unpairing?

It does lower the odds of Scotty being scum somewhat but I don't take it as a strong point.

Spoiler: show

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:42 am I'm too lazy to check, but does anyone have an actual take on J^3?

Do you? All I’m finding is “I don’t find that logic overwrought from J3”

Is that a town read?

This kind of "gotcha" line of questioning is more typical of smearing than distancing (if we assume Scotty is mafia).

Spoiler: show

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:12 am I'm sorry but my relationship with Robyn is of a confidential nature.

On a more serious note, if I told you that I know Robyn is town, what would you do with it?

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:28 am Not that I expected @Scotty to have an interest in it regardless, but Scotty did not answer my question.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:42 am Scotty, if you read the post, there is a sentence that ends with a question mark.

You seem very all over the place at the moment and I hate to admit that I'm struggling to parse it.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:47 am I can also be more charitable to Scotty.

Look, lets pretend you knew Robyn was town, what would you do with it?

This entire sequence is kind of pointless for teammates. It's not "impossible", but my instinct is nah.

Why was Scotty/Bereft the association you chose to ask about?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:18 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:55 pm Im getting a chuckle out of the fact that Scotty/SVS interactions have continued to be of enduring interest in the thread, even as I've found them useful for one thing and nothing else.

Scotty SVS is T v T and this is silly silly

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:14 pm as it stands from my gleaning afew pages.

Could vote Bereft, Scotty, Robyn.

Gonna start skimming ISOs.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:25 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:00 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:56 pm I think your being cleared way to easily just for posting a lot and being loud

We can resolve JJJ later. I almost never feel like he’s a good D1 vote unless every other player is, like, Aristotle


Tho tbh playing with a bunch of philosophers sounds like a fucking nightmare so nm

Y'all can but I have a severe allergic reaction to just deciding not to solve people and let a possible wolf take control without question for any extensive period of town

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:26 am Or maybe I'm lying and tr J3 and just want to make it look like he's pushable so wolfs don't kill him

Who knows?

I don't tr him but sometimes I do this

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:34 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:25 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:58 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:42 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:59 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am Scotty reads entirely civ to me. Even though he needs to stop padding his post count. That always makes me suspish of people, although I know that isn't a tell for you. But I'm reading you as civ other than that.

This is NAI activity and Scotty usually posts a lot

Hmm...I don't like this

I don’t like corn on the cob

What’s your point

what do you think her point is? This seems like a silly question to ask

I knew I liked you

Wait...I didn't.

I also liked Scotty but now I don't

What's happeningggggggggg

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:45 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:25 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:00 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:56 pm I think your being cleared way to easily just for posting a lot and being loud

We can resolve JJJ later. I almost never feel like he’s a good D1 vote unless every other player is, like, Aristotle


Tho tbh playing with a bunch of philosophers sounds like a fucking nightmare so nm

Y'all can but I have a severe allergic reaction to just deciding not to solve people and let a possible wolf take control without question for any extensive period of town

On the flip side, if Jay IS town, we lose a significant voice. Did you SEE the flip charts and excel spreadsheets he just posted? That’s gold.

You might think I’m being sarcastic, and I’m actually not. If he’s bad, I think it will become clearer as the days go on.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:36 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:35 am Town read:
Cape
Long con
Thunal (uno reversal. I dunno. Really liked the involvement I’ve seen in my read back today. Seems solvy)

Town lean:
JJJ (should not be voted today, only a doofus would do it)
Princess Abigail (I also don’t feel like mafia PA comes after the juggernaut JJJ immediately, tho I must profess I don’t know what mafia PA looks like. I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen it)
bereft (ending response about Robyn)

Scumlean:
LoRab. (Only minorly Scumlean because I haven’t seen too much town equity atm)

Scumread:
Robyn

Others need to post more

I can’t make a good read on SVS at the moment- my paranoia is coming back inadvertently because she keeps wondering why I’m not paranoid. WELL THE PARANOIA IS IN TOWN AND FOUND AN AIR BNB

We’re still missing like 3 people that haven’t posted, which is…….bad. As I have said early on with JJJ, we need town to POST in a no-info dumping game.
@RondoDimBuckle @Seanzie @ts account

Wait... you've never seen me wolf?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:04 am

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:58 am okay serious question, did u enjoy playing mafia today? or was it more grindy than anything

If Jay says yes, what's the conclusion?
What if he says no?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:55 pm This felt a bit like going through the motions, especially the pocketing attempt.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:51 pm I will expand on my current Seanzie vote, because I understand it's the kind of thing that will elicit one of the following responses from the majority of players:

1) grumble grumble why vote for someone that hasn't said anything
2) wow Jay opportunistic easy target very sus
3) that provides no information, dumb dumb

The actual rationale:

-- POE is leading me to a situation where it seems likely the zero posters includes a mafia member. I have too many town reads (to varying degrees) otherwise.
-- My blind interaction analysis suggested that the active players broadly don't fit together very well except in highly specific (and thus, unlikely) combinations

So that's why I would vote for [zero poster].

Beyond that, I even chose a specific zero poster for a reason, though I acknowledge this is considerably less important and more "technical". It's entirely possible that none of Seanzie, ts account, and Rondo are aware of the game yet. That might be most likely. But if we assume for the sake of argument that any of them has seen their role card, then we must ask which one is most likely to say nothing as mafia?

Rondo? Hell no. He'll talk.
ts account? No clue, really.
Seanzie? Yes, he'd wait around. He actually did in Don't Starve (albeit to a lesser extent, he posted 11 hours after game start).

It's hard for something like this to feel inspired, I understand. But I wanted to explain why I voted, because there's more reasoning than one might assume.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 6:07 am <Snip>

It's too cold to walk the dog on concrete, we just did the yard this AM, so I actually have time to read the thread a bit, not just reply to @s (most of which seem to be from you?) and do some real time. And, this is a borderline post, since it doesn't really relate to suspicion, but more to general game play, but meh.

I like to tell people their tells, it makes for a more challenging game going forward. Winning is nice, but winning becasue you figured them out, is nicer, IMO. So you can tell me

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:00 pm And that you’re still fixated on me. Do you even have any other reads?

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:08 pm I would comment on Scotty unpairings if it weren't for the fact that I already resigned myself to there being only 2 mafia that have posted at all.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:14 pm as it stands from my gleaning afew pages.

Could vote Bereft, Scotty, Robyn.

Gonna start skimming ISOs.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:43 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:14 pm as it stands from my gleaning afew pages.

Could vote Bereft, Scotty, Robyn.

Gonna start skimming ISOs.

Why Bereft and robyn?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:45 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:25 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:00 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:56 pm I think your being cleared way to easily just for posting a lot and being loud

We can resolve JJJ later. I almost never feel like he’s a good D1 vote unless every other player is, like, Aristotle


Tho tbh playing with a bunch of philosophers sounds like a fucking nightmare so nm

Y'all can but I have a severe allergic reaction to just deciding not to solve people and let a possible wolf take control without question for any extensive period of town

On the flip side, if Jay IS town, we lose a significant voice. Did you SEE the flip charts and excel spreadsheets he just posted? That’s gold.

You might think I’m being sarcastic, and I’m actually not. If he’s bad, I think it will become clearer as the days go on.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:45 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:26 am Or maybe I'm lying and tr J3 and just want to make it look like he's pushable so wolfs don't kill him

Who knows?

I don't tr him but sometimes I do this

Gosh youre town so hard it hurts

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:49 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:36 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:35 am Town read:
Cape
Long con
Thunal (uno reversal. I dunno. Really liked the involvement I’ve seen in my read back today. Seems solvy)

Town lean:
JJJ (should not be voted today, only a doofus would do it)
Princess Abigail (I also don’t feel like mafia PA comes after the juggernaut JJJ immediately, tho I must profess I don’t know what mafia PA looks like. I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen it)
bereft (ending response about Robyn)

Scumlean:
LoRab. (Only minorly Scumlean because I haven’t seen too much town equity atm)

Scumread:
Robyn

Others need to post more

I can’t make a good read on SVS at the moment- my paranoia is coming back inadvertently because she keeps wondering why I’m not paranoid. WELL THE PARANOIA IS IN TOWN AND FOUND AN AIR BNB

We’re still missing like 3 people that haven’t posted, which is…….bad. As I have said early on with JJJ, we need town to POST in a no-info dumping game.
@RondoDimBuckle @Seanzie @ts account

Wait... you've never seen me wolf?

If I have I dont remember

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:21 am wait fuck scotty might be town but i can’t explain this

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 10:20 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:32 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:38 pm Someone tell me the cases for the lead wagons, I'm stuck in work hell and going to see the kids tomorrow so activity/reread time will be light today if at all.

Scotty/Thunal.

Clearly there's a wolf in the Scotty, Bereft, Cape90, Jay realm, so which of these is it?

I dunno, but I’m gonna be pissed if I get D1’d again by a bad Jay only for town to lose to him in endgame.

Understandable.

No thoughts on your voters while responding to this inquiry feels weird.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:52 pm I'm worried about the amount of low or no posters in this game. I've seen completely winnable games lost because the people that didn't do anything were the ones left alive.