The Syndicate

This is so dumb

Look the entire Wilgy wagon voting Mac. Not sus at all.

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:51 pm This is so dumb

Probably!

Might switch back to falcon

well

i tried.

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:52 pm well

i tried.

Tried what exactly?

fine

You really think voting with the 3 people you helped lim town is a smart move?

voted Mac tho scary to vote with radish LC voted there and he got us Scotty.

If Mac flips scum, I’ll die tonight so you don’t have to worry about sussing me tomorrow. But I don’t think he flips scum.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:54 pm voted Mac tho scary to vote with radish LC voted there and he got us Scotty.

Vote Falcon and I will.

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:52 pm Look the entire Wilgy wagon voting Mac. Not sus at all.

you scared me back in line lol

but idt falc is bad

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:55 pm

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:52 pm Look the entire Wilgy wagon voting Mac. Not sus at all.

you scared me back in line lol

I mean why would we ever vote with that ENTIRE wagon that killed Wilgy

LET IT RAND

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:56 pm but idt falc is bad

I wish Jack and Mac would get on and vote MR.

Gims voted MR for 2 seconds but I guess he’d rather follow the flash wagon crew.

im voting with kay and roxy because they're both obvtown

sorry rads

I'm staying with my own vibe it's what I usually do I have only hopped votes in 2 or 3 games since 2008 so very unlike me.

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:57 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:56 pm but idt falc is bad

I wish Jack and Mac would get on and vote MR.

Gims voted MR for 2 seconds but I guess he’d rather follow the flash wagon crew.

im voting radish now im a big fan of #letitrand atm

If MR flips town, I will die tonight. If Mac flips scum, I will die tonight. That’s what I’ll promise.

let it rand crew

Shrug.

Re-evaluate guys if I do flip

Voting falcon

meh ok i voted falcon at :59 ;p

Who chopped Tony?
Poll ended at Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:00 pm


falcon45ca
4
29%
Voters: gims, Master Radishes, Jackofhearts2005, MacDougall
gims
0
No votes
Voters: None
Jackofhearts2005
0
No votes
Voters: None
KayJayQueue
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDougall
2
14%
Voters: falcon45ca, Long Con
Master Radishes
2
14%
Voters: KayJayQueue, Roxy
Roxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
No Vote/No Kill
0
No votes
Voters: None

With one success there were still consequences, and to ensure more successes, KayJayQue did what had to be done.

oh well

so, I targeted KJQ with my ability. which I could do from n3 forward. which would have them remove their forbidden action in case I died before them.

I bluffed that I had something else to see if scums would kill me. but, since I played like a potato, they wouldn't anyway.

my thoughts on the game:

if there were 3 scums, they would have won yesterday, as townie votes were scattered, meaning there are only two of them.

roxy played almost comically paired with falcon and needs to flip now. in a three-scum world, neither radish's actions during EOD (I tilted him A LOT to figure this out) nor the people voteparking on falcon are likely scum with falcon, but we are not in a three-scum world. in a two scum world, bussing is smart and fun. however, the people scumreading falcon were townie, LC's move to mac makes sense to me, and the only player sticking out like a sore thumb with unexplained sorta townread on falcon is roxy. and she is kinda scummy, I think? I'm bad at seeing if people are 'scummy'. she is not clear town. I did some theatrics at EOD saying that she was town to have rad pick between mac and falcon, but I don't think so atm.

welcome to d4 everyone

[VOTE: roxy] aubergine

Tough to follow the EoD voting shifts, but great job getting falcon! Sorry I wasn't here, I've been working long hours the past few days.

gims
Jackofhearts2005
Long Con
MacDougall
Master Radishes
Roxy

thats the poe btw

its either LC or roxy

radish, tell me waht u thinking. I skimmed through LC's iso and can totally see it being the last wolf here

It is not me. You are removing Mac and Jack from suspicion because they voted for falcon?

Also, who pacified me the last two nights? I couldn't fight yesterday or today.

another useless role for the town. KJQ said they were dying no matter what so she knew her F/A was going into effect.

gims immediately coming in with the solve on me

I have no more energy for this game.

Hated the vote hopping bs at the EoD. Happy about falc going over, though I would still think he was town so he deserves this win.

Radish has been voted for since D 1 and has never gone over.

I am voting Radish.

Let the town lose and follow gims

gg baddies

also of note there was no mafia kill fyi...............

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:49 pm also of note there was no mafia kill fyi...............

That's KJQ's doing: sacrifice self to prevent night kill

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:49 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:49 pm also of note there was no mafia kill fyi...............

That's KJQ's doing: sacrifice self to prevent night kill

ok sorry I misread.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:46 pm It is not me. You are removing Mac and Jack from suspicion because they voted for falcon?

jack is really townie fmpov.

I think mac could be sus especially if roxy is town and has correct instincts on mac, but overrall his play has been more on the townier side. I had moments during d1 in which I was sure he was just town. also, maybe he is scum, but he could easily position himself in the me/radish solve, and keep pushing the flip in that direction instead of having to bus a partner. its not completely unlikely, but towny posting + crossvoting scum feels very good for the slot. I think, also, that the gamestate has been really frozen up so scum crossbussing and then doing nothing with it and just letting each other become the gameday's wagons would be strange. so many, many reasons to be townreading mac as well.

it boils down, fmpov, to you and roxy. and I have to say, I'm starting to get very funny townpings from roxy, so I'm starting to think it is you!

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:48 pm another useless role for the town. KJQ said they were dying no matter what so she knew her F/A was going into effect.

gims immediately coming in with the solve on me

I have no more energy for this game.

Hated the vote hopping bs at the EoD. Happy about falc going over, though I would still think he was town so he deserves this win.

Radish has been voted for since D 1 and has never gone over.

I am voting Radish.

Let the town lose and follow gims

gg baddies

I'm a stupid player and, as such, I townread posts like this one.

I think scum is less likely to be saying things like 'i would think he is town and deserved to win' about a partner that just flipped. it unnecessarily binds her to dead scum and its unwise thing to do when scum.

the radish tunnel is imo wrong, but it strikes me as stubbornness that is more likely to come from town as well. I think cornered scum is more likely to waffle than to double down, so she isn't cornered scum.

and I get townpinged by 'let the town lose and follow gims' haha

so, I don't think its roxy anymore.

Eh don't overreact to roxy's ate gims... she goes over next for certain.

I largely agree with your first solve. After reading the eod yesterday I think Roxy/LC are the most likely. Falcon spewed MR town imo. Jack was critical to Falcon going over and did not need to townside.

@Roxy can you talk to me about why you townread Falcon so much please?

@Master Radishes can you explain why you tried so hard to push Roxy over Falcon?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 10:00 am Town

Jack
Kay
Porscha
Pyxxy
TSP

Shrug

MR
Roxy
Falcon

Sus

Gims
Wilgy
LC
Scotty

find me the town in my sus pile

Maybe it's Jack tbh. Otherwise I'm not sure why I dodged the n1 and n2 kills.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 11, 2025 1:44 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 11, 2025 1:08 am My POE

Falcon
Wilgy
MR
Jack

hi mac

why do you tr tsp and you sr jack when you made this post, ? and havent really said what or why has changed your reads on the 2 players:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 9:53 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 09, 2025 10:36 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 09, 2025 8:37 pm did scotty get really good while I was out or should I assume he's town (non-derogatory)

I don't love this though tbh

jack is town

Hmmm.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 1:01 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 1:05 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 09, 2025 6:39 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

ok 1 is a coincidence but 2 is naughty lol

hmmm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 1:25 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 10:10 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 09, 2025 9:44 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 09, 2025 8:50 pm vote: jack

while I don't have an alignment read on Jack, I get the feeling that pressuring him on D1 is not going to be fruitful

I have no explanation for this besides my gut

pyxxy's Maf

I mean he's objectively correct. Idk what you want, man.

damn that Falcon post is pretty wild

yeah fuck it

[VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine

I am now 100% certain Jack is mafia fwiw. Ama.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 4:41 pmAma.

well I think one of us is skill issuing with jack cause I read his ISO and its very clearly town fmpov. I don't understand the associative you're throwing with falcon. yesterday, jack votes falcon, 'not married to it', but never returns to do anything else with that. I think bussing and then doing nothing with it, while *fine*, isn't how scum strategizes more often than not. the vote would come with *reasons* or whatever. the 'not married with it' would come with alternatives. you see what im saying?

why can't it just be LC?

My accusation goes..

Jack/Falcon killing Porscha n1 does make sense. Jack himself couldn't even find a reasonable explanation for why Porscha died n1 (cuz pointing out he's the only likely killer isn't the smartest thing to do).

But why? Well I had a PoE with Jack in my town and Falcon not in my POE which meant I had a bad solve. Porscha was subtly the most problematic slot for exactly Jack on d1 after I stopped sussing him. Even though I TR TSP something about Jack's push on him made my detatched former self town read him which Porscha rightly criticised and tried to get me to review. This is why she died.

Falcon also opened with an unexplained Jack vote that went nowhere and Jack ignored. Jack's treatment of Falcon throughout the game is an absence of interest in solving him until at the end when he made a decision to just hard distance but even when he did Falcon's demise was hardly a foregone conclusion.

Falcon defended Jack from Pyxxy which triggered a troll response in Jack.

Jack's iso is sort of packed with manipulative stuff particularly around MR/Roxy. You can see how he's subtly fanned the flames of the deterioration of comms between them tbh. Let me demonstrate.

gims wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 4:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 4:41 pmAma.

well I think one of us is skill issuing with jack cause I read his ISO and its very clearly town fmpov. I don't understand the associative you're throwing with falcon. yesterday, jack votes falcon, 'not married to it', but never returns to do anything else with that. I think bussing and then doing nothing with it, while *fine*, isn't how scum strategizes more often than not. the vote would come with *reasons* or whatever. the 'not married with it' would come with alternatives. you see what im saying?

why can't it just be LC?

No gims. A mafia voting a mafia and hedging like that isn't townie. That's standard operating procedure.

The mentality behind it is to put his vote there but also give town no confidence in following it.

Feel free to continue to highlight the "obviously town" things in his iso but the spectre of your Jack townread being the reason you've survived the game thus far looms large also.