The Syndicate

Roxy wrote:MR - read my posts I brought up the sk to llama and epi to prove their theories wrong.

Which, in my case, you didn't do successfully, but no matter.

Mister Rearranger wrote:It seems like a weird leap of logic for him to make that assumption when I haven't seen a 1 mafia game where they don't kill every night. Maybe he has, but I don't remember any.

Did you play X-Men? My upcoming Watchmen game is also set up like that.

^I did not, I wanted to before my hiatus.

Interesting to know though. That's why I waited to jump to any conclusions.

Okay.

Made.

Voting record over four days is Boogs, Eloh, Boogs***, DF, where "***" indicates a mistaken vote for Eloh

What I find most significant here are not the votes themselves, but the fact that you have voiced suspicion of Roxy, DF, and now to a lesser extent, A Person, but when you voted for Eloh and DF, you voted alongside those people.

Made wrote:The way I see it, Bullz, DF, and Roxy are all suspcious for thinking boogs was obviously civvie, because he wasn't.

Made wrote:The way I see it, DF and Bulls are still the most suspicious, and one of them should die tomorrow.

Then on Day 4, you voted DF with Bullzeye, A Person, and Elohcin.

Made wrote:Nothing has happened to change my mind on DF, voting him now.

Going through your posts, it would seem you would have more of a reason to vote for Bullzeye, but very quickly you drop the first of several votes on DF, and the people voting after you are people you've suspected. For all your back and forth with Bullzeye, you were swift to vote for DF, but not after calling out Sabie.

Made wrote:Ok, gonna put this out their because it's starting to piss me off too. Are we just cool with letting Sabie slide by? I mean I get the whole new person thing, but I was getting hit pretty hard suspicion wise in my first game. I mean it doesn't help that most of her theories so far seem to be ideas already brought up.

Sabie, I don't mean to discourage you if you are just new, but there's only so long before this sort of thing becomes suspicious. Who are you suspicious of and why?


(Also, who brought you to this website by the way?)

Linki-

So tell me, where do you stand on your previous suspects? Did your suspicion of Bullzeye just dwindle away? Or was it never genuine to begin with?

The only thing that gives me pause about Made is that his gameplay this game is nothing like it was in Monty Python. That makes me nervous. Otherwise, he makes a lot of sence. I am also increasingly wary of Epignosis. I am not seeing his usual fervent baddie hunting self here. That concludes this brief meta-analysis.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Ebwop: *Epi, not Ali. Autocorrect, seriously? Haha

Ohh, that makes sense. Since that is my name, I've been skimming above posts looking for host questions, haha.

You certainly can take til the deadline to vote.

thellama73 wrote:I am not seeing his usual fervent baddie hunting self here. That concludes this brief meta-analysis.

That's understandable, since you're probably seeing my fervent "wreck the civilians" self here.

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I am not seeing his usual fervent baddie hunting self here. That concludes this brief meta-analysis.

That's understandable, since you're probably seeing my fervent "wreck the civilians" self here.

Hey, I'm doing no better. At least you haven't been killed yet.

Going to respond to each point in a pretty color

Epignosis wrote:Okay.
Made.

Voting record over four days is Boogs, Eloh, Boogs***, DF, where "***" indicates a mistaken vote for Eloh

What I find most significant here are not the votes themselves, but the fact that you have voiced suspicion of Roxy, DF, and now to a lesser extent, A Person, but when you voted for Eloh and DF, you voted alongside those people.I normally voice suspicion as soon as I see it unless I want to watch a persons actions. I acknowledge the possibility of mafia voting with me to distance so normally I don't see anything wrong with voting with someone I find suspicious. AP was just a gut feeling I didn't even feel worth mentioning.

Made wrote:The way I see it, Bullz, DF, and Roxy are all suspcious for thinking boogs was obviously civvie, because he wasn't.

Made wrote:The way I see it, DF and Bulls are still the most suspicious, and one of them should die tomorrow.

Then on Day 4, you voted DF with Bullzeye, A Person, and Elohcin.
I was the first to vote DF, and at the end of the day due to the strength of the argument against df in comparison to Elo or Bulls,who voted with me, and the pure uncontested volume of DF voters, I said we had a civvie.

Made wrote:Nothing has happened to change my mind on DF, voting him now.

Going through your posts, it would seem you would have more of a reason to vote for Bullzeye, but very quickly you drop the first of several votes on DF
it was a strong argument against him, but DF still made more sense. If I never said this, what specific hung me up was the same thing that I distrusted Bullz for (insistance and trust in Llama) but to a greater degree. I just figured I'd set up the next lynch while finishing DF's

, and the people voting after you are people you've suspected. For all your back and forth with Bullzeye, you were swift to vote for DF, but not after calling out Sabie.

Made wrote:Ok, gonna put this out their because it's starting to piss me off too. Are we just cool with letting Sabie slide by? I mean I get the whole new person thing, but I was getting hit pretty hard suspicion wise in my first game. I mean it doesn't help that most of her theories so far seem to be ideas already brought up.

Sabie, I don't mean to discourage you if you are just new, but there's only so long before this sort of thing becomes suspicious. Who are you suspicious of and why?


(Also, who brought you to this website by the way?)

Linki-

So tell me, where do you stand on your previous suspects? Did your suspicion of Bullzeye just dwindle away? Or was it never genuine to begin with?

I refuse to answer these last question, but thanks for asking

thellama73 wrote:The only thing that gives me pause about Made is that his gameplay this game is nothing like it was in Monty Python. That makes me nervous

Good to know that's working

Made wrote:I was the first to vote DF, and at the end of the day due to the strength of the argument against df in comparison to Elo or Bulls,who voted with me, and the pure uncontested volume of DF voters, I said we had a civvie.

You voted first for DFaraday, and if he showed up bad, everyone could see what a swell guy you were. But if he started taking many votes, you could declare him a civilian before the reveal. You even just now mentioned the possibility of Mafia voting with you to distance, so that thought didn't enter your mind before DFaraday was lynched?

Made wrote:I acknowledge the possibility of mafia voting with me to distance so normally I don't see anything wrong with voting with someone I find suspicious.

I don't know, Made. This just smells of covering all your bases, but then...

Made wrote:

Epignosis wrote: Going through your posts, it would seem you would have more of a reason to vote for Bullzeye, but very quickly you drop the first of several votes on DF

it was a strong argument against him, but DF still made more sense. If I never said this, what specific hung me up was the same thing that I distrusted Bullz for (insistance and trust in Llama) but to a greater degree. I just figured I'd set up the next lynch while finishing DF's

That...stinks dude. If I'm understanding you correctly, that's foul. And misleading. You didn't finish DF's lynch. You started it.

Made wrote:

Epignosis wrote: So tell me, where do you stand on your previous suspects? Did your suspicion of Bullzeye just dwindle away? Or was it never genuine to begin with?

I refuse to answer these last question, but thanks for asking

I see.

I need to vote soon and the only real ping I have is *Elo* based on the whole 'trying to make people who've been killed by baddies look bad' thing.

Bullzeye wrote:I need to vote soon and the only real ping I have is *Elo* based on the whole 'trying to make people who've been killed by baddies look bad' thing.

It's Day 5 and that's the "only real ping" you've got?

To address your first point, yes I voted first, but I honestly didn't expect so many people to jump on board. It just felt off, so I said it felt off. If everyone voted on your top suspect, wouldn't you feel off too?

If Ive learned anything from the little bit I've played mafia it's that like most things, it's politics. Starting bandwagons(note I did not intend to start one yesterday but admittedly, I did), giving the objective right sounding answer to questions,omiting information, gaining suspicion to avoid being NKed, asking questions designed to trap people into seeing things the way you do. Intentionally not bringing up compelling arguementd against yourself. These are all valuable Civvie techniques to move the game in your favor(MP and Dana and Roxy and DH and Sorsha taught me that in misfits).
In a transparent game, mafia can and has easily played me, so I'm trying a slanted game.

So far it's kinda working, if I could just be right for once...

Epig, giving reads, in your opinion does giving reads help other civvies or mafia more?

Made wrote:To address your first point, yes I voted first, but I honestly didn't expect so many people to jump on board. It just felt off, so I said it felt off. If everyone voted on your top suspect, wouldn't you feel off too?

Usually no. When people vote my top suspect, I like it very much.

Made wrote:Epig, giving reads, in your opinion does giving reads help other civvies or mafia more?

I'm not sure what you're asking me here.

Epignosis wrote:

Made wrote:To address your first point, yes I voted first, but I honestly didn't expect so many people to jump on board. It just felt off, so I said it felt off. If everyone voted on your top suspect, wouldn't you feel off too?

Usually no. When people vote my top suspect, I like it very much.well I guess that's just me then. Might have to do with the fact that I've never lynched mafia.

Made wrote:Epig, giving reads, in your opinion does giving reads help other civvies or mafia more?

I'm not sure what you're asking me here.

what is your opinion on giving reads? Do they assist mafia or civvie. Why?

Given, ofcourse they assist both, but who more?

Made wrote:Given, ofcourse they assist both, but who more?

That depends on who is giving it, no?

I have done some reading today.

I still feel the same about Elo.

Feel the same about Hedge and sabie.

Feel ok about Made and Epi

Bullz is twitching my nose a bit and is right even with llama.

MR is in and out it makes me feel very unsure about him.

Made and Epi who are you voting for?

I would like to vote llama, but since that isnt happening I will go with my 2nd choice, Epi. I just have this off feeling about him this game. THe way he came down on Elo's idea at first and hasnt been playing his hardcore civvie self I feel. Sabie12 I am not feeling great about either. I am wondering if she's another Krissy for me from my first game.

Votes Epi

Roxy wrote:I have done some reading today.

I still feel the same about Elo.

Feel the same about Hedge and sabie.

Feel ok about Made and Epi

Bullz is twitching my nose a bit and is right even with llama.

MR is in and out it makes me feel very unsure about him.

Made and Epi who are you voting for?

Why do you feel okay about Made? Jesus, I certainly don't.

To answer your question, I don't know. Made is a new guy who plays a loud avant-garde thing (think if Vompatti posted all the time), and, while he got heavy scrutiny in other games, he's received nearly none this time. I think he's being "out there" because that's what is expected of him at this point- certainly not because it lynches foes.

However, I voted Hedgeowl last time, and now she's voted for me (see below).

Hedgeowl wrote:THe way he came down on Elo's idea at first and hasnt been playing his hardcore civvie self I feel.

I don't know what you mean by "came down on Elo's idea at first." As for the second item, did you come up with that all by yourself?

Epignosis wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:THe way he came down on Elo's idea at first and hasnt been playing his hardcore civvie self I feel.

I don't know what you mean by "came down on Elo's idea at first." As for the second item, did you come up with that all by yourself?

She stole it from me.

Roxy, you've been voting Eloh early and often- what stays your hand now?

Never said I wasn't voting Elo.
I did ask who you were voting for.
But latchers make me twitchy.

Roxy wrote:Never said I wasn't voting Elo.
I did ask who you were voting for.
But latchers make me twitchy.

Let's try again.

"Roxy, you've been voting Eloh early and often- what stays your hand now?"

I didn't ask if you were voting Eloh. I asked why you hadn't voted Eloh by now.

Lets try this again -
But latchers make me twitchy

I'm not a latcher. I have good reasons for everything I do.

At this point I am inclined to vote Made. I'm just thinking it over.

And what exactly are those reasons llama?

Too bad keterman isn't involved.

Why does the lynch have to end so late :/. I won't be able to stay up that late. I'll stay up as long as possible though.

Link I...does let know he's been resized?

Roxy wrote:And what exactly are those reasons llama?

I think you have plenty of your own without needing mine.

LOL!

I had to vote now as my youngest is here for the strawberry shortcake I had promised.
*Voted Elo*

Roxy: Understandable. I have a double and a half shift in the next 36 hours (overnight tonight and then a 12 hour tomorrow evening) and it's been a long work week in general, so I've been resting up on and off. I don't want to spread votes in this small of a crowd, so I'll do a quick read and vote.

The whole Llama debacle has me doubting everything and everyone now...

Fuck it, let's try this. Voting Bullzeye B)
Linki-

Mister Rearranger wrote: The whole Llama debacle has me doubting everything and everyone now...

O Chaos, how I love thee..

Maaaaan I'm having trouble figuring this one out. Im really torn. Im thinking Hedge because she is accusing me of something from her first game but Im not sure what that is and looking back on her poll votes and posts it seems like her and llama and her and epi had some feuds going on. Llama has completely switched his tune all of the sudden and isnt going after her anymore. Very suspicious. Maybe someone is protecting or bribing out there hmmm.

sabie12 wrote:Maaaaan I'm having trouble figuring this one out. Im really torn. Im thinking Hedge because she is accusing me of something from her first game but Im not sure what that is and looking back on her poll votes and posts it seems like her and llama and her and epi had some feuds going on. Llama has completely switched his tune all of the sudden and isnt going after her anymore. Very suspicious. Maybe someone is protecting or bribing out there hmmm.

I keep saying there is a good reason for everything I do. Why does no one believe me?

Bullzeye wrote:Like Made, I'm also gonna vote DF. He's still my top suspicion and I don't think that will change. He's already responded to the points I made against him and his responses didn't help. I had been hoping something else might happen today but it doesn't seem like it is going to so my vote goes to *DF*.

Woah... just realized he's used the same exact argument to defend his vote today as he used yesterday...smh bullzeye <3

thellama73 wrote:

sabie12 wrote:Maaaaan I'm having trouble figuring this one out. Im really torn. Im thinking Hedge because she is accusing me of something from her first game but Im not sure what that is and looking back on her poll votes and posts it seems like her and llama and her and epi had some feuds going on. Llama has completely switched his tune all of the sudden and isnt going after her anymore. Very suspicious. Maybe someone is protecting or bribing out there hmmm.

I keep saying there is a good reason for everything I do. Why does no one believe me?

Because it's the same justification thieves and tyrants use?

thellama73 wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote: The whole Llama debacle has me doubting everything and everyone now...

O Chaos, how I love thee..

Alpacagate 2014

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

sabie12 wrote:Maaaaan I'm having trouble figuring this one out. Im really torn. Im thinking Hedge because she is accusing me of something from her first game but Im not sure what that is and looking back on her poll votes and posts it seems like her and llama and her and epi had some feuds going on. Llama has completely switched his tune all of the sudden and isnt going after her anymore. Very suspicious. Maybe someone is protecting or bribing out there hmmm.

I keep saying there is a good reason for everything I do. Why does no one believe me?

Because it's the same justification thieves and tyrants use?

Oh yeah, good point.

The difference, of course, is that, unlike thieves and tyrants, I have no power other than my solitary vote.

thellama73 wrote:The difference, of course, is that, unlike thieves and tyrants, I have no power other than my solitary vote.

And like a good rebel, I refuse to follow you just because.

There is a part in the back of my head that hopes this is not a Harry Potter repeat.

♫♫ I'm on the lookout for sneak-y vot-ers ♫♫

I'm going to keep with Hedgeowl.

Hmm, tough call. It's a case of who do I trust less of 2 people I have not been able to register a feeling on...

I can't stay up any longer....hedge it is.

Mmkay, Eloh's muh vote.

Epignosis wrote:

Roxy wrote:I have done some reading today.

I still feel the same about Elo.

Feel the same about Hedge and sabie.

Feel ok about Made and Epi

Bullz is twitching my nose a bit and is right even with llama.

MR is in and out it makes me feel very unsure about him.

Made and Epi who are you voting for?

Why do you feel okay about Made? Jesus, I certainly don't.

To answer your question, I don't know. Made is a new guy who plays a loud avant-garde thing (think if Vompatti posted all the time), and, while he got heavy scrutiny in other games, he's received nearly none this time. I think he's being "out there" because that's what is expected of him at this point- certainly not because it lynches foes.

However, I voted Hedgeowl last time, and now she's voted for me (see below).

Hedgeowl wrote:THe way he came down on Elo's idea at first and hasnt been playing his hardcore civvie self I feel.

I don't know what you mean by "came down on Elo's idea at first." As for the second item, did you come up with that all by yourself?

I just did a more thorough skim of your posts and an apology is in order since you were not one of the first people to criticize Elo's baddie theory related to Llama's kill. To elaborate on what I meant by your hardcored-ness, I specifically was thinking about the case you made on Made. It just seemed pretty weak and trumped up to me as I read through it and didnt convince me the way your civvie case building has done in the past. It didnt feel genuine to me. Made could be bad or the SK or you could be one of those. I actually don't have strong feelings on his civness atm.

What is interesting is that my two voters are also my two suspects. Lol. (Although, props, you did vote me before Epi, so points for being original)

Linki et tu Elo...

Whew MR thx

Don't thank MR yet. He hasn't actually voted, the slyboots.