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I might! We need to start nominating people and have a discussion on the merits of voting that player, what do y'all think?zeek wrote:Vote for me thenMongoose wrote:Guys, we can't just all vote for ourselves.
right...I did say those things and I stand behind them. I still don't believe him about the forced vote. I call it shenanigans. Even in the post where I voted for you I said even if he is fibbing, doesn't make him bad. I'm not saying he definitely isn't bad. I am just saying I find you more suspicious than him. But, whatevs. I'm not pressing the situation anymore. Why are you so paranoid that one little 'ol Eloh finds you suspish?zeek wrote:You also said:Elohcin wrote:Made, I know you are my tag teammate, but I have to say that I don't believe you either :/. This will be my last post for the evening. The kids are sleeping soundly in their beds which means I need to get some rest. And I know it will be difficult to sleep well tonight.But whatever, I'm not debating u-turns. Fact is the first time you even mention my name is in voting for me. That's not right.Elohcin wrote:My thoughts exactly. And, are you sure you're even allowed to tell us your vote was forced? You telling us it was forced makes me think you are making it up b/c I thought you were not allowed to share that kind of info.
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Mongoose, is there someone you trust, then?Mongoose wrote:I might! We need to start nominating people and have a discussion on the merits of voting that player, what do y'all think?zeek wrote:Vote for me thenMongoose wrote:Guys, we can't just all vote for ourselves.
Hmm. You kinda. zeek seems an okay option. There are people that have been helpful, so I want to trust them, but that's naive. I don't think we've been in this long enough to trust anyone yet, but I think we have some contenders that hopefully we can come to a group consensus on.Dom wrote:Mongoose, is there someone you trust, then?Mongoose wrote:I might! We need to start nominating people and have a discussion on the merits of voting that player, what do y'all think?zeek wrote:Vote for me thenMongoose wrote:Guys, we can't just all vote for ourselves.
Mongoose wrote:Hmm. You kinda. zeek seems an okay option. There are people that have been helpful, so I want to trust them, but that's naive. I don't think we've been in this long enough to trust anyone yet, but I think we have some contenders that hopefully we can come to a group consensus on.Dom wrote:Mongoose, is there someone you trust, then?Mongoose wrote:I might! We need to start nominating people and have a discussion on the merits of voting that player, what do y'all think?zeek wrote:Vote for me thenMongoose wrote:Guys, we can't just all vote for ourselves.
The imp in me wants to say "Screw it, let's give it to Vompatti."
Well, I really appreciate this!Spacedaisy wrote:I think the only person I feel confident is civ (aside from myself) is MP. Just going on my gut feel from him, but so far I trust him. So I'm voting MP to get the wand.
What are you thinking, Dom?Dom wrote:Mongoose wrote:Hmm. You kinda. zeek seems an okay option. There are people that have been helpful, so I want to trust them, but that's naive. I don't think we've been in this long enough to trust anyone yet, but I think we have some contenders that hopefully we can come to a group consensus on.Dom wrote:Mongoose, is there someone you trust, then?Mongoose wrote:I might! We need to start nominating people and have a discussion on the merits of voting that player, what do y'all think?zeek wrote:Vote for me thenMongoose wrote:Guys, we can't just all vote for ourselves.
The imp in me wants to say "Screw it, let's give it to Vompatti."
Oh, okay. Yeah, I am interested to hear that as well, since I'm pretty sure she never mentioned you or zeek before that post.Dom wrote:I'm just curious about why Mongoose picked me, but it's a very minor ping.
MP, what do you make of Llama being a civvie?MovingPictures07 wrote:Oh, okay. Yeah, I am interested to hear that as well, since I'm pretty sure she never mentioned you or zeek before that post.Dom wrote:I'm just curious about why Mongoose picked me, but it's a very minor ping.
Personally, if I was to vote anyone other than myself for this poll... at the moment I'm leaning Turnip Head. I know he can be an incredibly brilliant baddie, but I have received nothing but good vibes from him so far this game. Despite that, I am not too sure how I feel about a lot of players, so this will force me to consider other options as well.
Turnip Head wrote:I'm not sure I'm okay with Dom having the wand after what happened last time he got it...
I agree with INH on his recent assessment, and only waited to say anything about it because I wanted to see if INH would post at all on day 2 to see if he was silenced.Made wrote:yo dom, what's your argument against boomslang btw, I'm not sure i understand it clearly. Same/similar to INH's?
I'm not paranoid, I'm annoyed. You're still not saying why you find me suspicious, at least pretend to have a reason.Elohcin wrote:right...I did say those things and I stand behind them. I still don't believe him about the forced vote. I call it shenanigans. Even in the post where I voted for you I said even if he is fibbing, doesn't make him bad. I'm not saying he definitely isn't bad. I am just saying I find you more suspicious than him. But, whatevs. I'm not pressing the situation anymore. Why are you so paranoid that one little 'ol Eloh finds you suspish?
I gave you my voteLong Con wrote:I'd love to get the wand. Does anyone trust me enough?
RIP Llama, truly sorry to see you go.
Mad Hatter, eh? Of all the secrets, that's the one I felt most likely to be one that could mess with a person's posting or voting somehow. Tough to say.
Not going to say RIP because I hate when people wrongfully lynch me and then just go on like it's nothing, because it annoys the hell out of me (and yeah, I know, it's just a game). I apologize. I shouldn't have voted for you when I wasn't feeling that sure, but I didn't like the votes on Made. I hate this. I don't like it one bit.DharmaHelper wrote:thellama73
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Roxy (8), MovingPictures07 (9), Bass_the_Clever (10), S~V~S (13), Spacedaisy (18), FZ. (19), Turnip Head (20), juliets (21), Snow Dog (22), Boomslang (25)
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I'll tell you what, there is 10 people who won't get my vote for certain. Bet dollars to donuts there was a save attempt on Made, and llama was the result.
What do I make of it? It was a possibility I considered. I thought he was bad. I'm disappointed he wasn't. I don't know what else there is to make of it. Made could still easily be a civilian. He could also be bad.Dom wrote:MP, what do you make of Llama being a civvie?MovingPictures07 wrote:Oh, okay. Yeah, I am interested to hear that as well, since I'm pretty sure she never mentioned you or zeek before that post.Dom wrote:I'm just curious about why Mongoose picked me, but it's a very minor ping.
Personally, if I was to vote anyone other than myself for this poll... at the moment I'm leaning Turnip Head. I know he can be an incredibly brilliant baddie, but I have received nothing but good vibes from him so far this game. Despite that, I am not too sure how I feel about a lot of players, so this will force me to consider other options as well.
I think Made might be a baddie, especially since Llama ended up being civvie. I suspect Boom more, but man, it makes it harder for me to give Made the BOTD.
What do you think of me? I have two votes already. TH does not. TH also is one of those votes.FZ. wrote:Sorry, llama
To be honest, I think that if like I believe Made is a civ, then there's more chance to find baddies on his list of voters because it was easier to excuse a vote for him. I get why no one wants to give the wand to those on llama's lynch, but we all make mistakes.
I want to give the wand to TH, but I'm hesitant. I felt his actions were genuine last day, but who knows, maybe I'm wrong. I'll think about this a little more
Wait, what? You're lying.juliets wrote:rip llama. I became convinced that Made was not lying and that you were trying to take him down. Then when you made you comment about Mongoose really lying it furthered my bad feeling, throwing a friend under the bus to get out of a lynch. I couldn't see a civ doing that. Even with that though I should've given more thought to you both (you and Made) being civ.
I agree with FZ. that if Made is civ there are baddies on his list of voters. I also agree that TH seemed genuine yesterday defending Made and so he is a potential for me to give a vote to. Others are as well though so I'm going to think on it a little more before I vote.
This was your LAST post before your "Rip llama" post.juliets wrote:I also sent Epi the question and recieved an answer, and based on that answer can determine Made is a liar. I know there is an argument that says even if he lied about that he may not be bad but I just don't see it that way. Why would a civ lie about that? To get a response? What kind of response? And remember how he said he had some kind of plan if Epi screwed him (not his words but I'm pretty sure I'm paraphrasing)? I thought that was pingy when he said it. So now lets see if he comes up with a reason Epi would not tell us the truth. So, I'm going to go ahead and vote for Made and then if he comes on and defends it to the point I believe him, or something even more concrete comes out about someone else I will change my vote.
Speaking of votes, several people have named DF as someone who could be bad. I read everything he's posted which isn't much and nothing jumped out at me. What is the crux of the argument DF is a baddie? I tried to search to see exactly what people have said about him but you can't search two letters. I also tried to search 'llama' to try and understand a little more about the case against him but it said llama was a word that was too common. Ha! Common?? But anyway, whats up with the DF suspicion?
linky i see made replied so I will read his response before I vote and if there is anything that makes me back down I just won't vote
Wait, what? You never explained why you trust any of these people. I and Dom both asked you and you explain nothing here.Mongoose wrote:Recency mostly! I had just responded to zeek and then Dom seems Timmer is another I'd consider.
I feel so nebulous on nearly everyone. A lot of people haven't said much still. There aren't a lot of people I'd straight up oppose actually, but I'm still a nervous horse about trusting people so early on.
I became convinced Made was not lying by things that were said after my post including Mades defenses and TH's defending. Note in my post I said if I read Mades post and it made me pause I would not vote for him. I could not post a vote post because Dom had not posted. Also, if I remember correctly llama's post about Mongoose was also after my post (his second post about Mongoose). This is not lying this is changing one's mind. And I am not afraid of being closely looked at because I am civ, not bad or indy. Maybe Boe would like to check my statement.MovingPictures07 wrote:Wait, what? You're lying.juliets wrote:rip llama. I became convinced that Made was not lying and that you were trying to take him down. Then when you made you comment about Mongoose really lying it furthered my bad feeling, throwing a friend under the bus to get out of a lynch. I couldn't see a civ doing that. Even with that though I should've given more thought to you both (you and Made) being civ.
I agree with FZ. that if Made is civ there are baddies on his list of voters. I also agree that TH seemed genuine yesterday defending Made and so he is a potential for me to give a vote to. Others are as well though so I'm going to think on it a little more before I vote.
This was your LAST post before your "Rip llama" post.juliets wrote:I also sent Epi the question and recieved an answer, and based on that answer can determine Made is a liar. I know there is an argument that says even if he lied about that he may not be bad but I just don't see it that way. Why would a civ lie about that? To get a response? What kind of response? And remember how he said he had some kind of plan if Epi screwed him (not his words but I'm pretty sure I'm paraphrasing)? I thought that was pingy when he said it. So now lets see if he comes up with a reason Epi would not tell us the truth. So, I'm going to go ahead and vote for Made and then if he comes on and defends it to the point I believe him, or something even more concrete comes out about someone else I will change my vote.
Speaking of votes, several people have named DF as someone who could be bad. I read everything he's posted which isn't much and nothing jumped out at me. What is the crux of the argument DF is a baddie? I tried to search to see exactly what people have said about him but you can't search two letters. I also tried to search 'llama' to try and understand a little more about the case against him but it said llama was a word that was too common. Ha! Common?? But anyway, whats up with the DF suspicion?
linky i see made replied so I will read his response before I vote and if there is anything that makes me back down I just won't vote
I thought what I posted was quite obvious: Metalmarsh said something to the effect of "you'll be sorry if you lynch me," which I interpreted as threatening. In retrospect, he was warning us of regret rather than threat, so I misinterpreted that.Dom wrote:I agree with INH on his recent assessment, and only waited to say anything about it because I wanted to see if INH would post at all on day 2 to see if he was silenced.Made wrote:yo dom, what's your argument against boomslang btw, I'm not sure i understand it clearly. Same/similar to INH's?
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I never received a response to what he meant by this:
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Not that it matters now.
Yeah this'll go ahead and put you on the tippy top of my list.FZ. wrote:Sorry, llama
To be honest, I think that if like I believe Made is a civ, then there's more chance to find baddies on his list of voters because it was easier to excuse a vote for him. I get why no one wants to give the wand to those on llama's lynch, but we all make mistakes.
I want to give the wand to TH, but I'm hesitant. I felt his actions were genuine last day, but who knows, maybe I'm wrong. I'll think about this a little more
Of course not everyone on that list is a baddie. But, statistically, it is more likely that there is a baddie or more than one baddie within that set of voters, if (like myself) you think Made is bad and there was a save attempt...made....to protect him.I hate this. I don't like it one bit.
We don't know Made's alignment.
Clearly not everyone in that list of Llama voters is bad. So why punish every single one by not giving any of them your vote? This same question goes to others who have said the same sentiment. It's a BS way to blame someone else and seem like you're being civvie minded.
This pushes DH way up my list to be honest.
that settles it, let's kill madeLong Con wrote:I'm certainly not convinced that there was a "save attempt" on Made. If we confirm that Made is bad, then I would consider looking at Llama voters, but otherwise I'm not planning on using anyone's inclusion on either voting list as evidence of baddieness.
And what about the people who did not take a stand and let their vote sit where it did not help Llama, even if it did not actively hurt him? Or the people who, regardless of llamas status, did not think Made was bad for the reasons being brought forward? You don't even know Made is bad or that there was a save.DharmaHelper wrote:Of course not everyone on that list is a baddie. But, statistically, it is more likely that there is a baddie or more than one baddie within that set of voters, if (like myself) you think Made is bad and there was a save attempt...made....to protect him.I hate this. I don't like it one bit.
We don't know Made's alignment.
Clearly not everyone in that list of Llama voters is bad. So why punish every single one by not giving any of them your vote? This same question goes to others who have said the same sentiment. It's a BS way to blame someone else and seem like you're being civvie minded.
This pushes DH way up my list to be honest.
Even if I don't suspect every single one of those voters, I don't want to walk into a minefield and risk accidentally giving my vote (and potentially giving the wand) to a baddie.
I don't understand your point. I dont *know* anything. But, the evidence is there to at least suggest Made was saved.S~V~S wrote:And what about the people who did not take a stand and let their vote sit where it did not help Llama, even if it did not actively hurt him? Or the people who, regardless of llamas status, did not think Made was bad for the reasons being brought forward? You don't even know Made is bad or that there was a save.DharmaHelper wrote:Of course not everyone on that list is a baddie. But, statistically, it is more likely that there is a baddie or more than one baddie within that set of voters, if (like myself) you think Made is bad and there was a save attempt...made....to protect him.I hate this. I don't like it one bit.
We don't know Made's alignment.
Clearly not everyone in that list of Llama voters is bad. So why punish every single one by not giving any of them your vote? This same question goes to others who have said the same sentiment. It's a BS way to blame someone else and seem like you're being civvie minded.
This pushes DH way up my list to be honest.
Even if I don't suspect every single one of those voters, I don't want to walk into a minefield and risk accidentally giving my vote (and potentially giving the wand) to a baddie.
I am giving my vote to MP.
I don't agree. While it is a possibility, it is not the only possibility. I think Made was forced to vote. What the mechanics of it were I do not know. I certainly will not exclude Llama voters from suspicion, but I will not make it the point of the suspicion either; I will not choose to distrust someone for that reason alone, as I know I am a civ, and I voted for llama myself.DharmaHelper wrote:I don't understand your point. I dont *know* anything. But, the evidence is there to at least suggest Made was saved.S~V~S wrote:And what about the people who did not take a stand and let their vote sit where it did not help Llama, even if it did not actively hurt him? Or the people who, regardless of llamas status, did not think Made was bad for the reasons being brought forward? You don't even know Made is bad or that there was a save.DharmaHelper wrote:Of course not everyone on that list is a baddie. But, statistically, it is more likely that there is a baddie or more than one baddie within that set of voters, if (like myself) you think Made is bad and there was a save attempt...made....to protect him.I hate this. I don't like it one bit.
We don't know Made's alignment.
Clearly not everyone in that list of Llama voters is bad. So why punish every single one by not giving any of them your vote? This same question goes to others who have said the same sentiment. It's a BS way to blame someone else and seem like you're being civvie minded.
This pushes DH way up my list to be honest.
Even if I don't suspect every single one of those voters, I don't want to walk into a minefield and risk accidentally giving my vote (and potentially giving the wand) to a baddie.
I am giving my vote to MP.