The Syndicate

DH said this: 1. SVS (11th vote, Reason given here At the time: Epi, Cookie x2, Long Con x2, Scotty, Timmer, Sig x2, MP)

Conclusions (And Read): Sketchy vote all around. First point, SVS spends all Day 0/1 talking about how the Epi/MP back and forth doesn't sit well with her, but she "doesn't want to commit" to it. I don't know if I've ever seen SVS afraid of committing to a suspicion before. Second point, SVS says she "doesn't want to spread the vote out any further", and then spreads the vote out even further. This is notable for two reasons: 1) Both of her suspects (Epi and MP) had at least 1 vote at the time she cast her vote. 2) Her reasoning for voting MM, which you can see in the link, involved MM voting for LC for "voting for someone for doing something they do in every damned game“, which is exactly how MM has been behaving. Bottom line, I don't think SVS's vote was designed to save or help save anyone who currently had votes (because both of the suspects she mentioned earlier at least had 1 vote, so it would have been easy to justify voting for Epi or MP). But her vote is suspect irregardless, and by extention herself.

Epignosis wrote:Sorry, Made. Did you say something?

I had a hard time hearing because of all this amazing conversation going on around here.

S~V~S wrote:

DH said this: 1. SVS (11th vote, Reason given here At the time: Epi, Cookie x2, Long Con x2, Scotty, Timmer, Sig x2, MP)

Conclusions (And Read): Sketchy vote all around. First point, SVS spends all Day 0/1 talking about how the Epi/MP back and forth doesn't sit well with her, but she "doesn't want to commit" to it. I don't know if I've ever seen SVS afraid of committing to a suspicion before. Second point, SVS says she "doesn't want to spread the vote out any further", and then spreads the vote out even further. This is notable for two reasons: 1) Both of her suspects (Epi and MP) had at least 1 vote at the time she cast her vote. 2) Her reasoning for voting MM, which you can see in the link, involved MM voting for LC for "voting for someone for doing something they do in every damned game“, which is exactly how MM has been behaving. Bottom line, I don't think SVS's vote was designed to save or help save anyone who currently had votes (because both of the suspects she mentioned earlier at least had 1 vote, so it would have been easy to justify voting for Epi or MP). But her vote is suspect irregardless, and by extention herself.

I explained the first part of this to Roxy, You specifically should understand this, but I am gonna spell it out. In BoB, I went totally batshit insane on Epi because I was reading him on tone, and made a complete fool out of myself. Like I used to do to you. Our fearless leader was not pleased, shall we say, that I lost it quite as badly as I did. So I am trying to be more circumspect re Epignosis; rather than expecting him to alter his tone to accomodate others, I am trying to block his tone out, if that makes sense. So I am a bit iffy on him right now, since I don't have much of a basis for reading him outside of tone. But I did not want to make a big stink on Day One in the very next game I played with him over feels. So yeah, you have never seen me do this. But I don't want to have a meltdown like that again, and i have to work with the guy. TBH, I was afraid of raising a shitstorm by voting for either of them. Gods honest truth.

And I voted for MM for not answering Roxys question, predominantly.

DharmaHelper wrote:Would it be cosmic justice if SVS and Epi were on a team?

Made wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Would it be cosmic justice if SVS and Epi were on a team?

That sounds terrifying.

S~V~S wrote:Whether you buy it or not, it's true. And I bet it's why Epi has mentioned me barely himself.

Made wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Would it be cosmic justice if SVS and Epi were on a team?

That sounds terrifying.

Actually tho, why aren't you buying svs?

Epignosis wrote:So then you think S~V~S was complicit in or even responsible for the death of Elohcin?

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:So then you think S~V~S was complicit in or even responsible for the death of Elohcin?

That's another hard sell. I don't see a BTSC-Active SVS allowing an Eloh kill, but getting into the rabbit hole of "Would SVS be complicit in an Eloh kill" doesn't make sense to me. Maybe she would, maybe she wouldn't, maybe she would just because we don't think she would, maybe she had no say, maybe this maybe that.

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:So then you think S~V~S was complicit in or even responsible for the death of Elohcin?

That's another hard sell. I don't see a BTSC-Active SVS allowing an Eloh kill, but getting into the rabbit hole of "Would SVS be complicit in an Eloh kill" doesn't make sense to me. Maybe she would, maybe she wouldn't, maybe she would just because we don't think she would, maybe she had no say, maybe this maybe that.

I wasn't selling. I was asking.

Now I'll sell you something: I'm good.

Granting that, who would kill Elohcin instead of me Day 1?

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:So then you think S~V~S was complicit in or even responsible for the death of Elohcin?

That's another hard sell. I don't see a BTSC-Active SVS allowing an Eloh kill, but getting into the rabbit hole of "Would SVS be complicit in an Eloh kill" doesn't make sense to me. Maybe she would, maybe she wouldn't, maybe she would just because we don't think she would, maybe she had no say, maybe this maybe that.

I wasn't selling. I was asking.

Now I'll sell you something: I'm good.

Granting that, who would kill Elohcin instead of me Day 1?

That's an impossible question. I'd do it, Just about any combination of players would.

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:So then you think S~V~S was complicit in or even responsible for the death of Elohcin?

That's another hard sell. I don't see a BTSC-Active SVS allowing an Eloh kill, but getting into the rabbit hole of "Would SVS be complicit in an Eloh kill" doesn't make sense to me. Maybe she would, maybe she wouldn't, maybe she would just because we don't think she would, maybe she had no say, maybe this maybe that.

I wasn't selling. I was asking.

Now I'll sell you something: I'm good.

Granting that, who would kill Elohcin instead of me Day 1?

That's an impossible question. I'd do it, Just about any combination of players would.

You would, and just about any combination of players would?

That's...a useless answer.

I would have killed Eloh one time had I gotten the power to do so, and that was only because she signed up to play a game to get it rolling. Instead I tried to lynch her and ended up dying myself. Super.

Outside of that anomaly, I leave her alone. I like her to have fun.

Long Con said he wouldn't kill her Night 1. I believe him on that.

"Who killed Elohcin?" is the central question, because this has never happened before on Night 1.

That's a fun mystery for me to solve.

Epignosis wrote:

Made wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Would it be cosmic justice if SVS and Epi were on a team?

That sounds terrifying.

For whom?

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Made wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Would it be cosmic justice if SVS and Epi were on a team?

That sounds terrifying.

For whom?

Roxy wrote:Burger Boy (shifty vote is shifty for sure) could vote here

sig wrote:(page 4) hamburger boys second, and third posts, they seem weird, but not to suspicious. Kinda like he wants to post but didn't have anything to say. So he could either be posting just because or trying to avoid suspicion

Roxy wrote:No I would NOT concur. Whenever I have BTSC sometimes I cannot go to chatzy so I will FB or PM my teamies to keep in touch. Otherwise I quite enjoy BTSC as it gives you a chance to get to know other players.
Though it must be noted some people do not like to chat.

DharmaHelper wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Whether you buy it or not, it's true. And I bet it's why Epi has mentioned me barely himself.

I can buy that specific part of your story, but what I have difficulty reconciling is your vote, and the reasons for your vote. You voted MM in order to "not spread the vote", which spread the vote out. Your reason was that MM voted for LC for "doing something he does every game." And that he ignored Roxy's questions.

The thing there is that this is the sort of play MM does every game (every game I can remember anyway). So your reasoning behind your vote breaks down pretty easily from the jump.

1) You expressed a desire not to spread the vote, but did anyway.

2) You voted for MM for doing what he does every single game, with the reason being in part "He voted for LC for doing something he does every single game."

It's hard to ignore those discrepancies. You also brought MP/Epi up multiple times, which doesn't mesh with your "I wanted to ignore them completely" story. You brought it up, you brought attention to it, why not just let it go?

Epignosis wrote:
Saberfish - "Noticed some stuff" but couldn't be bothered to state what that stuff is. Asked about ties before voting. After the lynch, makes the obvious speculation that S~V~S, Hamburger Boy, or Roxy could be Killface. Voted thirteenth overall for Mac's Mom for a vague reason. Still not sharing what "stuff" was noticed. Voted someone who had no votes when eight others had at least one vote.

Made wrote:Imo, dh is right here. Speculating on who would and wouldn't kills elo is probably the wrong question. Perhaps a better question, a least a less (albeit slightly less) wifom question would be why kill elo?

thellama73 wrote:Less than two hours to go and only three votes in? Come on guys, you can do better.

Long Con wrote:I know it's totally weak, but I might just have to vote gman today. I'm just not really feeling any of the other suspicions I'm seeing out there and I don't know if it's because I need to get my head more in the game or what but I'm I'm going to wait until lynch deadline.

timmer wrote:I voted for Saber.

timmer wrote:Sorry guys, I didn't realize that we had started!

I'm a little pinged by the fact that SVS apparently misread the roles, since her reply to Long Con about the Xtacles isn't accurate. But I suppose that's a ping that doesn't really indicate an alignment so I'm not sure where to go with it. I'll tune in more tomorrow night. Game on!

timmer wrote:Hey all, so reading back, I've got decent vibes from SVS (the point about Epig maybe not being drunk is interesting), I'm not sure I understand voting for Long Con, so MM gets a bit of a from me, as it was pointed out that the reasoning was weak. Scotty seems to be not enjoying the attention he is getting... do people who know his play style well have an opinion on whether this indicates a certain alignment?

timmer wrote:What if sig is xander?

Cookie sounds good enough to me.

timmer wrote:I voted for Saber.

HamburgerBoy wrote:

Roxy wrote:Burger Boy (shifty vote is shifty for sure) could vote here

Why me? If anything I should be one of the least likely to be KillFace, unless you mean anyone on that team (the context of your post would indicate KillFace the fellow in particular though). By voting on someone that had one vote, my vote would have resulted in MM's lynch among several other people tied in second. It would be more logical for me to vote for someone with no votes, or vote for someone that already had two, if I were Killface.

Roxy wrote:I have so many that I am willing to vote for today: Saberfish, MP, Cookie, Burger Boy, Made, Bubbles or DP if he does not answer my question

Linky - oooooo Now you are suspicious of Timmer------again after you said after reading back you did not find him suspicious?

HamburgerBoy wrote:Roxy, could you explain your particular suspicion here?

HamburgerBoy wrote:

Roxy wrote:Burger Boy (shifty vote is shifty for sure) could vote here

Why me? If anything I should be one of the least likely to be KillFace, unless you mean anyone on that team (the context of your post would indicate KillFace the fellow in particular though). By voting on someone that had one vote, my vote would have resulted in MM's lynch among several other people tied in second. It would be more logical for me to vote for someone with no votes, or vote for someone that already had two, if I were Killface.

Roxy wrote:Cookie -
Lemme clarify - you said you found some of his posts strange and would re-read him. After you re-read him you said they seemed less suspicious and would be keeping an eye on him.

nijuukyugou wrote:So many choices. I thought there would be more votes up given that several have announced their vote in the thread, but there are only 5 total so far? Huh.

Feeling slightly, slightly better about Made regarding tone, but that could be just him fixin' it up for me Thoughts on timmer haven't changed since I last spoke of him. Then this happens:

Roxy wrote:I have so many that I am willing to vote for today: Saberfish, MP, Cookie, Burger Boy, Made, Bubbles or DP if he does not answer my question

Linky - oooooo Now you are suspicious of Timmer------again after you said after reading back you did not find him suspicious?

Yes, this caught my eye as well. Trying to look more contributory, Cookie McNasty? I pointed out these same exactly things (minus the most recent quotes) when I voted him last and you made no comment on them then.

nijuukyugou wrote:So many choices. I thought there would be more votes up given that several have announced their vote in the thread, but there are only 5 total so far? Huh.

Feeling slightly, slightly better about Made regarding tone, but that could be just him fixin' it up for me Thoughts on timmer haven't changed since I last spoke of him. Then this happens:

Roxy wrote:I have so many that I am willing to vote for today: Saberfish, MP, Cookie, Burger Boy, Made, Bubbles or DP if he does not answer my question

Linky - oooooo Now you are suspicious of Timmer------again after you said after reading back you did not find him suspicious?

Yes, this caught my eye as well. Trying to look more contributory, Cookie McNasty? I pointed out these same exactly things (minus the most recent quotes) when I voted him last and you made no comment on them then.

Cookie wrote:

Roxy wrote:Cookie -
Lemme clarify - you said you found some of his posts strange and would re-read him. After you re-read him you said they seemed less suspicious and would be keeping an eye on him.

I know what I said. There's no need to clarify anything to me. I found him suspicious, then I reread it and thought I was just reading into him too far, but then I decided to post my thoughts. I never stopped finding him suspicious.

Roxy wrote:It was your reasoning that I found shifty. It was like you put no thought or care into your vote and instead focused on keeping ties.