The Syndicate

Elohcin wrote:

Scotty wrote:Had a long day yesterday. Catching up now.

Glad Mafia is being merciful and killing off low-posters. More content = more power

C'mon SVS...is it you? I think you're playing with our heads haha.

OR, is someone trying to frame SVS. *ponder, ponder*

Scotty, this post makes me wonder about you. "More content = more power". I think it would be like you to do this kind of kill and then make a statement about it like that.

I am quite busy atm but when I get a chance, I am going to reread you.

Sorsha wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I should apologize for being so singularly focused on Scotty right now, but I don't really have time to develop other cases in depth at the moment. The town reads I expressed yesterday were MP, SVS, and Elohcin. All three of those still stand. Sorsha has been invisible and while I've only played a couple games with her so far, I've already come to expect her to be more of a presence in the thread. I should understand more than anyone right now the limitations that real life can put on Mafia activity, but she hasn't offered up any explanation other than feeling lost and being uncertain, which doesn't inspire me to read her as good at all. Plus her reaction to MP's fire drill both during and after the fact raise a few alarms. She was a willing participant, and then seemed to blame MP when the result turned bad, while also sayinn she herself should not be blamed because she's "just one vote". Seems a bit blindly hypocritical, unless I'm misunderstanding her stance on MP.

I will need to dig further if I'm going to come up with a third suspect. Everything else I've got is little more than unsubstantiated hunch-based suspicion, and that's not worth sharing.

Why does being lost and uncertain not inspire good feelings to you? The Mafia are the ones who know who is civ and who isn't, the civs are the ones who start out the most lost and uncertain in any game.

I was quiet over the night period on purpose. MP looked like he was going into attack mode on me after the lynch and I wanted everyone to have a chance to see what went down during the lynch before I got sucked into a posting battle with MP. I think enough of us have seen enough of those in games recently. Then the thread took a turn and I wasn't about to come tiptoe into that shit.

Go ahead and criticize me for my vote, I don't care, but what I said about MP is true. He did bail on the wagon he started and it felt like once indi flipped civ he turned on me. I did agree with the points he raised about indi. He raised points about other players too and I didn't think his cases on them were as strong as the indi case. Like I said earlier, he came into the thread and was reading and posting quickly. I was taking those reads as mostly gut-motivated reads, similar to the gth we do sometimes.

So I'm sure this will just be taken as an excuse but since others get to blame their schedule I'd like to at least get to explain mine. I work third shift and get done at 4:30 am, the poll closes around 9:30am my time. Im usually asleep by then but I stayed up because of all the nonsense that went on last minute during the day one lynch. I didn't expect to really be a part of the day two nonsense but i still didn't have a good grip on who I found bad so I went with an indi vote, because like I said earlier, I agreed with the case MP made.

a2thezebra wrote:

Matt wrote:Still catching up, but I'm a little saddened that my only two welcomes also came in the form of suspicions.

Welcome, Matt. I don't suspect you. I suspected MP though so you gotta come through with the town game.

DrWilgy wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Matt wrote:Still catching up, but I'm a little saddened that my only two welcomes also came in the form of suspicions.

Welcome, Matt. I don't suspect you. I suspected MP though so you gotta come through with the town game.

Hi Matt! I trust Zebra, so I guess I don't suspect you either.

Zebra who am I voting for today?

thellama73 wrote:Effective immediately, Matt is replacing MovingPictures07

Matt wrote:Thanks Zeebs and sloonei! Though Zebra's welcome also kind of came in the form of suspicion.

a2thezebra wrote:Welcome, Matt. I don't suspect you.

DrWilgy wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Matt wrote:Still catching up, but I'm a little saddened that my only two welcomes also came in the form of suspicions.

Welcome, Matt. I don't suspect you. I suspected MP though so you gotta come through with the town game.

Hi Matt! I trust Zebra, so I guess I don't suspect you either.

Zebra who am I voting for today?

Or is that only if I suspect you first?

a2thezebra wrote:

Matt wrote:Thanks Zeebs and sloonei! Though Zebra's welcome also kind of came in the form of suspicion.

a2thezebra wrote:Welcome, Matt. I don't suspect you.

Scotty wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Matt wrote:Thanks Zeebs and sloonei! Though Zebra's welcome also kind of came in the form of suspicion.

a2thezebra wrote:Welcome, Matt. I don't suspect you.

Well to be fair, zebra, you did essentially say you suspect Matt by association.

a2thezebra wrote:

Scotty wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Matt wrote:Thanks Zeebs and sloonei! Though Zebra's welcome also kind of came in the form of suspicion.

a2thezebra wrote:Welcome, Matt. I don't suspect you.

Well to be fair, zebra, you did essentially say you suspect Matt by association.

That's different. I suspect his role. To say that I suspect him would imply that I suspect him for something that he has said or done, and that's not true.

Scotty wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Scotty wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Matt wrote:Thanks Zeebs and sloonei! Though Zebra's welcome also kind of came in the form of suspicion.

a2thezebra wrote:Welcome, Matt. I don't suspect you.

Well to be fair, zebra, you did essentially say you suspect Matt by association.

That's different. I suspect his role. To say that I suspect him would imply that I suspect him for something that he has said or done, and that's not true.

Lol...tomato potato

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also regarding CFDs, disagree with my hunting if you wish, but I had e best interests of town at heart and I think that was evident. I also could not have accomplished the switch to indi if no one followed me. And let's not forget that I did it because I found the main candidates (Elo, me, Sloonei) unsatisfactory. Because they were.

CFD is stupid. It rarely works. Just like rainbow lists are bullshit. I'm sorry, but a lot of the stuff brought over from RYM just sucks. Y'all keep on with it if it makes you happy, but not this cowboy.

Hey whoa wait, we've never even heard of Chinese Fire Drills before. And we borrowed the rainbows from last year's champs tournament.

Also my read-through of Epi's post history may have just bumped him ahead of Scotty on my, ahem, Rainbow List.

a2thezebra wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Scotty wrote:Had a long day yesterday. Catching up now.

Glad Mafia is being merciful and killing off low-posters. More content = more power

C'mon SVS...is it you? I think you're playing with our heads haha.

OR, is someone trying to frame SVS. *ponder, ponder*

Scotty, this post makes me wonder about you. "More content = more power". I think it would be like you to do this kind of kill and then make a statement about it like that.

I am quite busy atm but when I get a chance, I am going to reread you.

Another day, another vote for Elohcin.

After two kills of silent players in a row, I'm way more suspicious of anyone who takes issue with comments about killing off the silent players than the people commenting about killing off the silent players themselves. What I mean by that is that it makes more sense to me that mafia would do this so that they could fish for comments like Scotty's (a perfectly natural and accurate statement about the game) and call it suspicious because they can pull out the "you planned this so you could say this" card. I don't get why so many players started reading Elohcin as civ out of nowhere.

a2thezebra wrote:Why wouldn't she be? Also, yeah, you kind of are reading her as civilian out of nowhere. But at least you've been doing it the whole game.

DrWilgy wrote:If that's the case... Ok! In good time you will see
*The doctor lunges out of his chair*
BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

Also, I don't think Epi is bad!

Epignosis wrote:To those of you who have no inclination to vote Elohcin (including Elohcin, if she actually, you know, votes or something this time around), I propose this:

No last minute flippity-floppy nonsense, no uninformed votes, no worrying about having to save Elohcin- I believe it we put our heads together and collectively decide who needs to be lynched rather than who needs to be saved, we can ensure Elohcin doesn't get lynched and actually have a chance of netting Mafia.

And I know those whom I trust. I'll return with some analysis.

Oh, and don't get cute and try to lynch me either.

Sloonei wrote:What thoughts do we all have on Bea? This is the first time we've played together, I think.

Matt wrote:Still catching up, but I'm a little saddened that my only two welcomes also came in the form of suspicions.

Sorsha wrote:Can Matt be voted for or not?

Sorsha wrote:Can Matt be voted for or not?

I'm placing a vote on wilgy for now, I know I was totally off in meta play reading him last game but I'm not feeling great about him atm.

I've been reading a few players and really just have a handful of players who I won't be voting for.

nijuukyugou wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Can Matt be voted for or not?

I'm placing a vote on wilgy for now, I know I was totally off in meta play reading him last game but I'm not feeling great about him atm.

I've been reading a few players and really just have a handful of players who I won't be voting for.

I feel similarly regarding the last statement. I won't vote Eloh. I feel pretty decent about Epi. I'm feeling much better about Sloonei after reading his recent posts (they're more reminiscent of the civ game I've seen).

I'm not sure how to read Matt/MP at the moment in light of recent events, so I think I'll let that one rest for a day so I can see what Matt says. Wilgy also makes me feel itchy ("also" in response to the post above), but I think that's always the case in games I've been in with him - he's very avant-garde. However, there hasn't been much explanation from him for his votes, so that's also where the itch comes from (and now that sounds kinda gross).

Dunno about bea. So nice. So unsuspicious every time I play with her. Makes me think

Dunno if any of that was helpful, but those are my thoughts at the moment. Back to my other task. Still here for a bit.

Epignosis wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Can Matt be voted for or not?

I'm placing a vote on wilgy for now, I know I was totally off in meta play reading him last game but I'm not feeling great about him atm.

I've been reading a few players and really just have a handful of players who I won't be voting for.

I feel similarly regarding the last statement. I won't vote Eloh. I feel pretty decent about Epi. I'm feeling much better about Sloonei after reading his recent posts (they're more reminiscent of the civ game I've seen).

I'm not sure how to read Matt/MP at the moment in light of recent events, so I think I'll let that one rest for a day so I can see what Matt says. Wilgy also makes me feel itchy ("also" in response to the post above), but I think that's always the case in games I've been in with him - he's very avant-garde. However, there hasn't been much explanation from him for his votes, so that's also where the itch comes from (and now that sounds kinda gross).

Dunno about bea. So nice. So unsuspicious every time I play with her. Makes me think

Dunno if any of that was helpful, but those are my thoughts at the moment. Back to my other task. Still here for a bit.

I don't think you've ever led a lynch on someone. Maybe you should have a go at it.

Epignosis wrote:Really? When was that? I don't recall it.

nijuukyugou wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Really? When was that? I don't recall it.

Occultism, I believe. Day 1. Speaking biblically.

Epignosis wrote:11 At the end of the first Day, the heavens opened and fire consumed the earth. And there came a voice from the clouds, the voice of our Lord God Free.

Let it be known.

Golden wrote:

Matt wrote:RIP Scotty

Question for anyone/everyone - Are you personally under the impression that MP is Wonder Boy?

Can someone please go back to Day 4 in their Delorean and bring Matt back.

Scotty wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Scotty wrote:Had a long day yesterday. Catching up now.

Glad Mafia is being merciful and killing off low-posters. More content = more power

C'mon SVS...is it you? I think you're playing with our heads haha.

OR, is someone trying to frame SVS. *ponder, ponder*

Scotty, this post makes me wonder about you. "More content = more power". I think it would be like you to do this kind of kill and then make a statement about it like that.

I am quite busy atm but when I get a chance, I am going to reread you.

Lol we were on a baddie team together once and now you think you know my baddie game so well?

Please reread me and let me know what you'd like me to respond to other than WIFOM. I like to talk, as you know.

As for your SVS theory, are you trying to frame SVS?

Epignosis wrote:To those of you who have no inclination to vote Elohcin (including Elohcin, if she actually, you know, votes or something this time around), I propose this:

No last minute flippity-floppy nonsense, no uninformed votes, no worrying about having to save Elohcin- I believe it we put our heads together and collectively decide who needs to be lynched rather than who needs to be saved, we can ensure Elohcin doesn't get lynched and actually have a chance of netting Mafia.

And I know those whom I trust. I'll return with some analysis.

Oh, and don't get cute and try to lynch me either.

Epignosis wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Can Matt be voted for or not?

AND I have lots of linki b/c I clicked submit, went to another tab, came back and saw it never went through. This happens to me more often than it should.

I'm placing a vote on wilgy for now, I know I was totally off in meta play reading him last game but I'm not feeling great about him atm.

I've been reading a few players and really just have a handful of players who I won't be voting for.

I feel similarly regarding the last statement. I won't vote Eloh. I feel pretty decent about Epi. I'm feeling much better about Sloonei after reading his recent posts (they're more reminiscent of the civ game I've seen).

I'm not sure how to read Matt/MP at the moment in light of recent events, so I think I'll let that one rest for a day so I can see what Matt says. Wilgy also makes me feel itchy ("also" in response to the post above), but I think that's always the case in games I've been in with him - he's very avant-garde. However, there hasn't been much explanation from him for his votes, so that's also where the itch comes from (and now that sounds kinda gross).

Dunno about bea. So nice. So unsuspicious every time I play with her. Makes me think

Dunno if any of that was helpful, but those are my thoughts at the moment. Back to my other task. Still here for a bit.

I don't think you've ever led a lynch on someone. Maybe you should have a go at it.

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Scotty wrote:Had a long day yesterday. Catching up now.

Glad Mafia is being merciful and killing off low-posters. More content = more power

C'mon SVS...is it you? I think you're playing with our heads haha.

OR, is someone trying to frame SVS. *ponder, ponder*

Scotty, this post makes me wonder about you. "More content = more power". I think it would be like you to do this kind of kill and then make a statement about it like that.

I am quite busy atm but when I get a chance, I am going to reread you.

Lol we were on a baddie team together once and now you think you know my baddie game so well?

Please reread me and let me know what you'd like me to respond to other than WIFOM. I like to talk, as you know.

As for your SVS theory, are you trying to frame SVS?

This post drew my attention.

"Lol we were on a baddie team together once and now you think you know my baddie game so well?"

A few things awry about this nugget:

First, there are a handful of players who are obvious when they are civilian or mafia. I mean like three or four. Scotty is sophisticated enough not to be one of those. So it baffles me that he (thinks he) has a "baddie game," especially here, where he's (to my knowledge and not counting games he is currently in) only been mafia once.

Second, Elohcin didn't say anything about being on a team with him or knowing how he plays. She didn't make a definitive statement. She didn't say she was going to vote for him. She expressed an observational opinion and then said she would reread him. Why so serious, Scotty? lol indeed.

Third, I forget third.

Scotty wrote:1. I don't really have a baddie game. "It would be like you to do this kind of kill. The only time I have been Mafia with Elo is in Home Alone, and the only other time was "Lost Again", which she wasn't a part of. So of course I'm going to rebel at her talking like she knows what I would do as Mafia, since she only has one game to draw from. That's my point.

2. I basically just explained this above. I'm responding to all criticism about me as I can. I'm always serious, except when I'm not.

4. I forgot the third

Elohcin wrote:wow, I wish I would have read that linki before posting. Scotty, I can't believe you would say that. "Lol we were on a baddie team together once and now you think you know my baddie game so well?" As Epi said, I said nothing of the sort. But, that you would think/say such a defense makes me feel like your caught. I'm still going to re-read you. I have been crazy busy today with cakes and kids. Also, why do you say I'm responding to you with WIFOM? (WIFOM is over my head. Epi has tried explaining it to me several times over the past few years I've been playing mafia....but I just don't get it.) Can you use a different way to explain how you are feeling about my posts to you?

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:1. I don't really have a baddie game. "It would be like you to do this kind of kill. The only time I have been Mafia with Elo is in Home Alone, and the only other time was "Lost Again", which she wasn't a part of. So of course I'm going to rebel at her talking like she knows what I would do as Mafia, since she only has one game to draw from. That's my point.

2. I basically just explained this above. I'm responding to all criticism about me as I can. I'm always serious, except when I'm not.

4. I forgot the third

And my point is she garnered a strange reaction from you, given the circumstances.

Lemme preach on it.

Elohcin has no credibility in this game despite numerous people saying she's good and going out of their way to save her. Hell, she has two votes. Again.

Yet you seemed to react as though she had already made up her mind. You didn't welcome her scrutiny- you dismissed it. "lol u don't know me" and "this is WIFOM" like. She doesn't know what you would do if bad, that's true- but she does have more insight than most people do.

I'm willing to keep my vote here for now.