The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: Dizzy hasn't come off smelling like a rose, but Silver Lantern is hurting my brain with their arguments. Every post that they make with a vote change spins my head like a top.
I like Soneji right now, and I'm okay with Dyslexicon for at least another day (His stunt spurred most of my reads). Anyone else that has a vote on them is someone I wouldn't feel bad about lynching.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Silver Lantern wrote:Dys has not power claimed, right?

Change vote: Dyslexicon

Tell me more about this expectation.

Though I shouldn't make a habit of speaking for others (it always makes me look bad, even if we're both town and even if I'm disagreeing), I'll field this.

It is very common for HCRealms lynches to revolve around believability of a claim.

Playing in an X-Men game and claiming Wolverine? You're gonna get a little slack. Claiming cop but you only have results on dead players (night kills generally flip on our board) or already trusted town? You're gonna get the side eye. It's generally bad form to lynch without allowing for a claim of some sort ("Wth? I'm Wolverine/the cop, you guys! Why didn't you wait before you lynched me?") and it's considered scummy to endure pressure without claiming ("Clearly, he's googling X-Men and trying to find a believable claim. Or else he's just avoiding claiming cause he knows there's a good chance he's be called out for lying").

I don't think claiming is going to be nearly as powerful/standard in this setup as Silver is used to.

speedchuck wrote:Dizzy's slip options:

A. The slip was an accident. Dizzy covered it up by finding an example from a previous game.

B. The slip was on purpose to win town points.

C. The slip was on purpose, to cause an uproar on D1 and provide actual discussion, as a sacrificial catalyst. AKA For Teh LOLs


In option A, the following would have to be true:

-Dizzy happened to slip, as well as slip twice more in the same post: a. calling for lurker lynches early in the day, and b. claiming reads but not giving them. This is BLATANT slipping, so we'd have to assume Dizzy has no idea how to mafia.

-Dizzy happened to remember an insignificant post among all posts, one that didn't garner much attention. He did this while under pressure.

-Coincidentally, the mafia number in this game would have to be the same as the fakeslip from the other game (which, by the way, didn't reveal the number of mafia either)

-Coincidentally, the slip in this game would have to be the same as the type of fakeslip in the other game, but yet real

Possible? I guess. Not very likely at all. Imagine:
"Oh crap, I messed up. Luckily, I remember a time when I made an almost identical post under similar circumstances, but completely on purpose. WHAT A STROKE OF LUCK!"
This sounds ridiculous.


Option B is viable, though a stupid strategy, as we see how well that went.


Option C allows for the fakeslip to be a plan, without giving Dizzy too much credit for thinking everything out.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

speedchuck wrote:Dizzy's slip options:

A. The slip was an accident. Dizzy covered it up by finding an example from a previous game.

B. The slip was on purpose to win town points.

C. The slip was on purpose, to cause an uproar on D1 and provide actual discussion, as a sacrificial catalyst. AKA For Teh LOLs

Option B is viable, though a stupid strategy, as we see how well that went.

Option C allows for the fakeslip to be a plan, without giving Dizzy too much credit for thinking everything out.

Explain how Option B is not a viable scum move.

Current players with heavy suspicion of Dizzy: Silver, Marmot, LC
Current players with heavy suspicion of Dizzy that is actually related to slipgate that has not caused others to suspect them: Silver
Current players defending Dizzy: Speedchuck, JJJ
Current players calling it null or giving a slight town read on Dizzy: Quin, Nut, JoH, Golden, Fred, Straw
I call that a net win if Dizzy is scum, especially considering the general trust placed in JJJ, Nut, Quin and Golden.

Additionally, there was never a danger that Dizzy would be lynched for actual slip as he had the exact same move from another game in his back pocket to link to.


Explain how Option C is a good town move.
The only gain the town has gotten from all of this is maaaaybe a lead on LC for going at it when he should have backed off ("It's the dishonesty of it that gets me.") and maaaaaaybe a lead on Marmot for not reacting enough to it. Both of those are fairly large stretches and certainly not definitive without a flip.
Do you think Marmot or LC are scum?

speedchuck wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

speedchuck wrote:Dizzy's slip options:

B. The slip was on purpose to win town points.

Option B is viable, though a stupid strategy, as we see how well that went.

I literally just said that B was a viable scum move.
C is not really a good town move. It wasn't a great play. Wasn't a good mafia move either.

My point was: Option A doesn't really work. That's my whole point. If you want to lynch Dizzy off of option B, be my guest.

speedchuck wrote: Dizzy has not been under enough pressure to force a claim. Claims are a last-ditch effort to avoid lynch. We haven't gotten that close to lynching him. (or anyone, and we probably need to get there)
So yeah, I get the idea, but no, it's a weird reason for SL to vote. As with all of their other votes. I don't get it. There isn't enough support to pressure a claim or a lynch on Dizzy from what I've seen.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

speedchuck wrote:Dizzy's slip options:

B. The slip was on purpose to win town points.

Option B is viable, though a stupid strategy, as we see how well that went.

I literally just said that B was a viable scum move.
C is not really a good town move. It wasn't a great play. Wasn't a good mafia move either.

My point was: Option A doesn't really work. That's my whole point. If you want to lynch Dizzy off of option B, be my guest.

Let's condense this.

You literally just said that it was a stupid strategy, too, based on how things went. Yet if it happened, it worked. Things went really well for Dizzy.

Please explain the discrepancy. What did you mean by "how well that went"?

Silver Lantern wrote:

speedchuck wrote: Dizzy has not been under enough pressure to force a claim. Claims are a last-ditch effort to avoid lynch. We haven't gotten that close to lynching him. (or anyone, and we probably need to get there)
So yeah, I get the idea, but no, it's a weird reason for SL to vote. As with all of their other votes. I don't get it. There isn't enough support to pressure a claim or a lynch on Dizzy from what I've seen.

And there will never be enough support with that mentality.

I see you are a graduate from Soneji's "why would you want records of the votes even though you don't think mafia will vote together" School of Silly thoughts.

Seriously, I have never understood this mentality of "let's not wipe our butts because we're gonna have to poop again." I do not only place votes on people who are in danger of getting lynched. I place votes as a vehicle to build pressure on someone. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, but that doesn't mean I stop doing it, any more than I stop wiping.

I am placing a vote on Dyslexicon, because I am perfectly fine with lynching her for the reasons I have detailed above. And your post really reads as trying to derail from that. Why are you protecting Dys?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Half rainbow:
Some players defending Dizzy made them go up. Some players defending Dizzy made them go down. Same for players attacking Dizzy. A lot of this is based on HOW they attacked or defended.

speedchuck wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Half rainbow:
Some players defending Dizzy made them go up. Some players defending Dizzy made them go down. Same for players attacking Dizzy. A lot of this is based on HOW they attacked or defended.

Dang.

Dizzy, you magnificient bastard. Your plan worked.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Linki: An ISO is isolating a player's posts. That is, you might say you think Silver is bad on day 1 and Silver is good on day 2 with no significant Silver posts and no posts from you about Silver in between. I wouldn't notice normally but if I took your posts outside of the game and saw that you switched opinions based on nothing. This in turn makes you look bad. Alternatively, your last 5 posts might make you look bad but if I go back and look at your earlier posts, I see what looks like genuine scumhunting, which makes you look good.

Soneji wrote:[VOTE: ] aubergine[VOTE:

Out of all the people I've had some suspicion on today, this one is the strongest. I had some doubts about culture clash but the more I see from Silver Lantern and JoH, the less his posts are excusable. They both have been in the thick of things, not using their unfamiliarity with the posters/style here to excuse their activity/opinions. posted his opinion on the Dys situation to then turn around and say his opinion should be ignored in favor of others. He posted that seeming scummy is a town method of surviving longer where he is from, which I can't see much of a town motivation for posting here. He at that point could tell that is not the standard here nor was there any suspicion on him at the time, so mentioning it could only ever serve as a preliminary defense for any future scum behavior from him or SL/JoH's. Preemptive defenses are near the top of my scumtell list.

Could still be culture clash but I'm betting my money that it is attempting to abuse culture clash to gain an edge.] aubergine

Golden wrote:I don't think it matters how it went for dizzy. I think more relevant is how he expected it to go. I found him at his most genuine when he indicated surprise at the heat it took - and it makes sense to me that if it's normal in other places he wouldn't expect it to be abnormal here.

For that reason, I disagree with the assertion that it was likely that dizzy got lynched after slip (in his mind) and so he shouldn't have seen it as risky. Likewise, it doesn't seem likely that he expected to have to defend it and so he shouldn't have seen it as giving him huge town cred.

That's why I come to the view it's a marmot-style 'lols' play he'd do from any affiliation, and my own town read comes from his other content and not in any way the slip.

Because I haven't got a vote down yet:

SIG

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Silver Lantern wrote:Dys has not power claimed, right?

Change vote: Dyslexicon

Tell me more about this expectation.

Though I shouldn't make a habit of speaking for others (it always makes me look bad, even if we're both town and even if I'm disagreeing), I'll field this.

It is very common for HCRealms lynches to revolve around believability of a claim.

Playing in an X-Men game and claiming Wolverine? You're gonna get a little slack. Claiming cop but you only have results on dead players (night kills generally flip on our board) or already trusted town? You're gonna get the side eye. It's generally bad form to lynch without allowing for a claim of some sort ("Wth? I'm Wolverine/the cop, you guys! Why didn't you wait before you lynched me?") and it's considered scummy to endure pressure without claiming ("Clearly, he's googling X-Men and trying to find a believable claim. Or else he's just avoiding claiming cause he knows there's a good chance he's be called out for lying").

I don't think claiming is going to be nearly as powerful/standard in this setup as Silver is used to.

speedchuck wrote:Deadline is in about 10 hours, I think.

We need to get 6 votes on a single person to guarantee a lynch. Preferably more.

We might want to talk about who we should vote to receive the new area's gift tonight, while we square the lynch away.

speedchuck wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Linki: An ISO is isolating a player's posts. That is, you might say you think Silver is bad on day 1 and Silver is good on day 2 with no significant Silver posts and no posts from you about Silver in between. I wouldn't notice normally but if I took your posts outside of the game and saw that you switched opinions based on nothing. This in turn makes you look bad. Alternatively, your last 5 posts might make you look bad but if I go back and look at your earlier posts, I see what looks like genuine scumhunting, which makes you look good.

Ooh, that's a good idea.

I'm assuming w/w means that they are scumbuddies, and thus w/w means they are not knowingly aligned?
I need to know more terms from here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: I'm assuming w/w means that they are scumbuddies, and thus w/w means they are not knowingly aligned?
I need to know more terms from here.

Soneji wrote:[VOTE: ] aubergine[VOTE:

Out of all the people I've had some suspicion on today, this one is the strongest. I had some doubts about culture clash but the more I see from Silver Lantern and JoH, the less his posts are excusable. They both have been in the thick of things, not using their unfamiliarity with the posters/style here to excuse their activity/opinions. posted his opinion on the Dys situation to then turn around and say his opinion should be ignored in favor of others. He posted that seeming scummy is a town method of surviving longer where he is from, which I can't see much of a town motivation for posting here. He at that point could tell that is not the standard here nor was there any suspicion on him at the time, so mentioning it could only ever serve as a preliminary defense for any future scum behavior from him or SL/JoH's. Preemptive defenses are near the top of my scumtell list.

Could still be culture clash but I'm betting my money that it is attempting to abuse culture clash to gain an edge.] aubergine

speedchuck wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

speedchuck wrote:Dizzy's slip options:

B. The slip was on purpose to win town points.

Option B is viable, though a stupid strategy, as we see how well that went.

I literally just said that B was a viable scum move.
C is not really a good town move. It wasn't a great play. Wasn't a good mafia move either.

My point was: Option A doesn't really work. That's my whole point. If you want to lynch Dizzy off of option B, be my guest.

Let's condense this.

You literally just said that it was a stupid strategy, too, based on how things went. Yet if it happened, it worked. Things went really well for Dizzy.

Please explain the discrepancy. What did you mean by "how well that went"?

I'm defending option A as a stupid option. I don't think of Dizzy as being town. NULL maybe, light town at best (for his more recent posts).
I don't feel that most people (even those defending Dizzy) think of him as town. They just think that his 'slip' doesn't incriminate him.

I could be wrong, and maybe he did gain town points, in which case we should crack down on that.
If I'm right, and he's in the same (or possibly slightly worse) position compared to before the slip, then he didn't execute that grand plan very well. Stupid strategy, as I put it.
But this whole argument is wine in front of me, trying to figure out what Dizzy's intention was so that we can pick the opposite choice.

TL;DR
I don't think things went super good for Dizzy. Mediocre at best. Trying to guess his motive is Wine. Lynch him if you think he looks scummy.

DrWilgy wrote:This is fine. Go ahead and lynch me it'll give you a new bump in the road when you try to read my meta.

If you really looked into me, you should notice that my all around posting has decreased over the past few days. Both in this game and others that I'm in. This is fine though and definitely not a sign that I'm busy.

This is an easy mislynch for baddies if anything. Regardless, don't have time to hint/defend atm. Looooooove y'all <33

Silver Lantern wrote:

Soneji wrote:[VOTE: ] aubergine[VOTE:

Out of all the people I've had some suspicion on today, this one is the strongest. I had some doubts about culture clash but the more I see from Silver Lantern and JoH, the less his posts are excusable. They both have been in the thick of things, not using their unfamiliarity with the posters/style here to excuse their activity/opinions. posted his opinion on the Dys situation to then turn around and say his opinion should be ignored in favor of others. He posted that seeming scummy is a town method of surviving longer where he is from, which I can't see much of a town motivation for posting here. He at that point could tell that is not the standard here nor was there any suspicion on him at the time, so mentioning it could only ever serve as a preliminary defense for any future scum behavior from him or SL/JoH's. Preemptive defenses are near the top of my scumtell list.

Could still be culture clash but I'm betting my money that it is attempting to abuse culture clash to gain an edge.] aubergine

[VOTE:

That makes sense in my mind because Fred, by default, plays sorta scummy. He's quiet, he holds his cards close to the vest, and I am guessing that his post style here is trying counter act that somewhat, though I agree his content has probably been a little lacking.

@Jack, green is townread, light green is townish? Yellow null read? And orange suspicious?] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:This is fine. Go ahead and lynch me it'll give you a new bump in the road when you try to read my meta.

If you really looked into me, you should notice that my all around posting has decreased over the past few days. Both in this game and others that I'm in. This is fine though and definitely not a sign that I'm busy.

This is an easy mislynch for baddies if anything. Regardless, don't have time to hint/defend atm. Looooooove y'all <33

Highlighted portion annoys me. I wouldn't call it suspicious, just annoying. Screw your meta, are you a civilian? Meh.

I don't care about your post count. You haven't done anything with the posts you've made. If you're civilian then I agree you're an easy mislynch. Make it hard.

Sorsha wrote:Voted North. I'm not caught up yet... you guys post way to much.

Please point out to me anything specific I need to address because I'm not sure I'll be reading everything in this thread

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:I don't think it matters how it went for dizzy. I think more relevant is how he expected it to go. I found him at his most genuine when he indicated surprise at the heat it took - and it makes sense to me that if it's normal in other places he wouldn't expect it to be abnormal here.

For that reason, I disagree with the assertion that it was likely that dizzy got lynched after slip (in his mind) and so he shouldn't have seen it as risky. Likewise, it doesn't seem likely that he expected to have to defend it and so he shouldn't have seen it as giving him huge town cred.

That's why I come to the view it's a marmot-style 'lols' play he'd do from any affiliation, and my own town read comes from his other content and not in any way the slip.

Because I haven't got a vote down yet:

SIG

Loving this evaluation of Dizzy's motivation. Makes me feel better about putting you green.

Why Sig?

Golden wrote:inspiring

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:I don't think it matters how it went for dizzy. I think more relevant is how he expected it to go. I found him at his most genuine when he indicated surprise at the heat it took - and it makes sense to me that if it's normal in other places he wouldn't expect it to be abnormal here.

For that reason, I disagree with the assertion that it was likely that dizzy got lynched after slip (in his mind) and so he shouldn't have seen it as risky. Likewise, it doesn't seem likely that he expected to have to defend it and so he shouldn't have seen it as giving him huge town cred.

That's why I come to the view it's a marmot-style 'lols' play he'd do from any affiliation, and my own town read comes from his other content and not in any way the slip.

Because I haven't got a vote down yet:

SIG

Loving this evaluation of Dizzy's motivation. Makes me feel better about putting you green.

Why Sig?

His early posts weren't inspiring and I'm waiting for him to come back.

nutella wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Silver Lantern wrote:Dys has not power claimed, right?

Change vote: Dyslexicon

Tell me more about this expectation.

Though I shouldn't make a habit of speaking for others (it always makes me look bad, even if we're both town and even if I'm disagreeing), I'll field this.

It is very common for HCRealms lynches to revolve around believability of a claim.

Playing in an X-Men game and claiming Wolverine? You're gonna get a little slack. Claiming cop but you only have results on dead players (night kills generally flip on our board) or already trusted town? You're gonna get the side eye. It's generally bad form to lynch without allowing for a claim of some sort ("Wth? I'm Wolverine/the cop, you guys! Why didn't you wait before you lynched me?") and it's considered scummy to endure pressure without claiming ("Clearly, he's googling X-Men and trying to find a believable claim. Or else he's just avoiding claiming cause he knows there's a good chance he's be called out for lying").

I don't think claiming is going to be nearly as powerful/standard in this setup as Silver is used to.

This is pretty weird to me. Of course I can't speak for what Dys is used to, but at least here this is not particularly common practice. Sometimes role claims happen in desperate situations, but often they're not even allowed/encouraged, so they're certainly not expected as a normal defense. And even if they were, I don't get why Silver expected as much from Dys now, since (a) there are only a few votes on them, so even if it was normal practice to claim when in danger of being lynched, it wouldn't make sense yet because they're not even really close to the danger zone, and (b) claiming makes very little sense in this game because it is a closed setup, we don't even know what the available abilities are. I mean as you (Silver) said above it could be worth it if you happen to have an easily recognizable ability to claim, but I'm expecting that most of the roles in this game are fairly unique (my only data points are my own and the gimmick Scotty hinted at having, but I get the feeling there are a lot of obscure abilities in this game). It just seems to me that there would be little utility in revealing your power if nobody will recognize it -- sure maybe we'd believe it wasn't just made up, but we'd have no way of corroborating it as a civvie role rather than a scum one. Idk, I could be wrong and there could be plenty of "normal" abilities in this game that would be worthwhile to claim if nobody else could counterclaim them, but it just seems odd that you'd so strongly expect Dys to claim at this stage (again with so few votes) so much that the lack of claim is vote-worthy to you. Probably just a culture thing, but Dys isn't from the same site as silver, right?

Or perhaps I misread the intent of your vote, and you were merely adding another vote so as to attempt to pressure Dys into claiming? I'm still so not used to this style of voting and I usually think of voting as a stronger committment/ultimate expression of suspicion and less used to it just being a temporary way of pressuring someone. I guess I have played several games with changeable votes now, and have tried to get into the practice of voting early to express suspicion that's subject to change to pressure people into defending, but in the past I was so used to saving my vote for as late as possible to ensure I went with my most confident choice. Anyway, was that the intent of your vote? Do you want Dys to be more in danger of a lynch so as to pressure a claim?

I just still can't see it being helpful. Again, as speedchuck said, maybe if Dys had enough votes to be getting worried, but that's not the case, and even then the closed setup means a claim is not a particularly foolproof defense.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:I don't think it matters how it went for dizzy. I think more relevant is how he expected it to go. I found him at his most genuine when he indicated surprise at the heat it took - and it makes sense to me that if it's normal in other places he wouldn't expect it to be abnormal here.

For that reason, I disagree with the assertion that it was likely that dizzy got lynched after slip (in his mind) and so he shouldn't have seen it as risky. Likewise, it doesn't seem likely that he expected to have to defend it and so he shouldn't have seen it as giving him huge town cred.

That's why I come to the view it's a marmot-style 'lols' play he'd do from any affiliation, and my own town read comes from his other content and not in any way the slip.

Because I haven't got a vote down yet:

SIG

Loving this evaluation of Dizzy's motivation. Makes me feel better about putting you green.

Why Sig?

His early posts weren't inspiring and I'm waiting for him to come back.

If he doesn't come back, are you gonna try to lynch him?

sig wrote:Is it still day 1 am I still alive? Also stop trying to lynch me

Golden As a placeholder.

speedchuck wrote:Here are some of the people that have been in recent scumreads:

Fredwood
Sig
Strawhenge
Sorsha
LC
Nacho
Me
DrWilgy
Scotty
Marmot

JackofHearts/JJJ? They seem possibly suspicious toward one another. Not w/w at the least.

I'd have to trust others concerning Wigly's usual D1 play. As a matter of fact, I think INH is the only person I've played with before. So I have no metareads.

I'm not feeling great about voting for Strawhenge or Long Con anymore. I don't have a townread on them, but most of my interactions with them was arguing about dizzy logic. I can't read them yet, and they might be helpful.

The rest I am fine with lynching. I like JOH over JJJ at the moment. The big problem is that most of these people aren't memorable. I'd have to scour the pages for their posts.

I may just do that.

Off of the list above, does anyone want to give some reads? Try to get a consensus going? Especially you, SIG. Welcome back.

Golden wrote:I don't think it matters how it went for dizzy. I think more relevant is how he expected it to go. I found him at his most genuine when he indicated surprise at the heat it took - and it makes sense to me that if it's normal in other places he wouldn't expect it to be abnormal here.

For that reason, I disagree with the assertion that it was likely that dizzy got lynched after slip (in his mind) and so he shouldn't have seen it as risky. Likewise, it doesn't seem likely that he expected to have to defend it and so he shouldn't have seen it as giving him huge town cred.

That's why I come to the view it's a marmot-style 'lols' play he'd do from any affiliation, and my own town read comes from his other content and not in any way the slip.

Soneji wrote:[VOTE: ] aubergine[VOTE:

Out of all the people I've had some suspicion on today, this one is the strongest. I had some doubts about culture clash but the more I see from Silver Lantern and JoH, the less his posts are excusable. They both have been in the thick of things, not using their unfamiliarity with the posters/style here to excuse their activity/opinions. posted his opinion on the Dys situation to then turn around and say his opinion should be ignored in favor of others. He posted that seeming scummy is a town method of surviving longer where he is from, which I can't see much of a town motivation for posting here. He at that point could tell that is not the standard here nor was there any suspicion on him at the time, so mentioning it could only ever serve as a preliminary defense for any future scum behavior from him or SL/JoH's. Preemptive defenses are near the top of my scumtell list.

Could still be culture clash but I'm betting my money that it is attempting to abuse culture clash to gain an edge.] aubergine

[VOTE:

This is an interesting take. I haven't had the best feelings about Fred either (he made orange on my list) -- out of the several players in this game that I'm unfamiliar with, he's made the least good impression on me and seemed to blend in pretty blendily. Silver's description of his meta doesn't help his case (trying to counteract usual style? piiiiing)]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:[VOTE: This exchange with sig is giving me problems:] aubergine

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sig wrote:

Golden wrote:

sig wrote:

Golden wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:[VOTE: This little flippity flop especially struck me the wrong way.] aubergine

[VOTE:

What am I to do? I said something that was true to me at the time, and then when it was wrong I wanted to correct it.

In the same circumstance, what would you do?] aubergine

[VOTE:

I do agree with INH, those posts did seem strange, but would it be something the mafia would do? I don't think so.] aubergine

[VOTE:

What was strange about them?] aubergine

[VOTE:

The fact you said you didn't have the map then you said you did.

It could have been a PM slip true, but I'm not convinced that's the case. However, I don't see any reason why a mafia member would do this, I view it more as you trying to make it harder to narrow down the map holder and as of right now we have four(?) people claiming the map. Myself, MM, Golden, and JJJ.

So I wouldn't lynch vote you on that and I would find it suspicious for people to use that as a reason to vote for you.

Speaking of voting I should totally get an item tonight. Vote for me then.

Also I voted East since Philadelphia is on a east coast.] aubergine

[VOTE:

That he bothered to qualify Golden's map PM/no PM thing as "strange" while also batting it away as something not suspicious strikes me a pointless combination of thoughts -- i.e. I don't know why "strange" needed to be stated. At the same time I can't tell if this is one of this things with sig and words where he just voices a perspective a little awkwardly or if there's something to be concerned about.

If there's a separate beef to be stated about sig it's that his posts were item-centric when he was around. Hunting was nil/limited.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Yeah, bad look for Sig. Especially with the "would a mafia have any reason to do this?" re: deciding to map claim right as he himself map claims. Hello wifom. Plus as you say he's pretty item-centric, nominating himself, to me this all falls into the same category of self-centered neutrality you also accused Sorsha of.

Leaving my vote on Wilgy for now, but I'm more than willing to switch to Sig or Fred if the tide swings toward either of them. I'll wait and see which if any of them (or Sorsha) come back to defend themselves/participate, and go from there.

Linki: Well there's sig, and not with the most reassuring tone. Might have to switch my vote to you buddy unless you put in some effort. I don't like that attitude.]