The Syndicate

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:35 pm**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:19 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:12 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:02 pm @AL_sama - you wanted to kill tedextr for the entire game until right now. you seemed pretty sure that tedextr was a wolf. what changed your mind? why do you no longer want to kill him?
i was about to say “what if spf is a wolf haha jk unless” and then i open the thread to see you asking something i was wondering too at exactly the same time

curse you spf, curse you
that's the power of the mindmeld :P

i’ll get you one day

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:36 pm**

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:26 pm how do you guys pronounce sloonei?

sloo-nay

this is definitely wrong though

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:36 pm**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:02 pm @AL_sama - you wanted to kill tedextr for the entire game until right now. you seemed pretty sure that tedextr was a wolf. what changed your mind? why do you no longer want to kill him?

nothing at all I m still scum reading ted

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:38 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:34 pm This is some ridiculously blatant openwolfing from AL_sama.

isn't that what you're doing

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:38 pm**

AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:38 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:34 pm This is some ridiculously blatant openwolfing from AL_sama.
isn't that what you're doing

Care to unpack why you think Alison is openwolfing?

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:39 pm**

AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:38 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:34 pm This is some ridiculously blatant openwolfing from AL_sama.
isn't that what you're doing

I'm cleared town mate.

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:39 pm**

to be honest spf is probably not catchable as a wolf in a multiball environment

luckily if she’s a wolf the other team will probably have to kill her at some point so they don’t get demolished

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:40 pm**

AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:36 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:02 pm @AL_sama - you wanted to kill tedextr for the entire game until right now. you seemed pretty sure that tedextr was a wolf. what changed your mind? why do you no longer want to kill him?
nothing at all I m still scum reading ted

if you're still scumreading ted, why didn't you mention him as the name that you wanted to kill? why did you say alison's name and not his?

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:40 pm**

AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:36 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:02 pm @AL_sama - you wanted to kill tedextr for the entire game until right now. you seemed pretty sure that tedextr was a wolf. what changed your mind? why do you no longer want to kill him?
nothing at all I m still scum reading ted

then why shoot alison?

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:41 pm**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:40 pm
AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:36 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:02 pm @AL_sama - you wanted to kill tedextr for the entire game until right now. you seemed pretty sure that tedextr was a wolf. what changed your mind? why do you no longer want to kill him?
nothing at all I m still scum reading ted
if you're still scumreading ted, why didn't you mention him as the name that you wanted to kill? why did you say alison's name and not his?

i hate you

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:41 pm**

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:26 pm how do you guys pronounce sloonei?

Pap-reek-ah

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:41 pm**

@AL_sama do you think michelle is lying about ted being clear?

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:42 pm**

you pronounce sloonei like champ-ee-un

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:45 pm**

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:26 pm how do you guys pronounce sloonei?

In my head sounds like slewn E
Probably not even close to correct but I’m committed to it now

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:45 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:41 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:40 pm
AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:36 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:02 pm @AL_sama - you wanted to kill tedextr for the entire game until right now. you seemed pretty sure that tedextr was a wolf. what changed your mind? why do you no longer want to kill him?
nothing at all I m still scum reading ted
if you're still scumreading ted, why didn't you mention him as the name that you wanted to kill? why did you say alison's name and not his?
i hate you

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:46 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:39 pm I'm cleared town mate.

I think otherwise

I think you're a scum who got town cleared due to your open play

I don't have anything solid to convince others

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:47 pm**

Sloon-ee is the canonical pronunciation.

I’m sorry, i made this name up when i was 12

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:47 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:41 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:26 pm how do you guys pronounce sloonei?
Pap-reek-ah

I don't understand you, I never will understand you, and I am still learning how to accept this.

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:50 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:39 pm to be honest spf is probably not catchable as a wolf in a multiball environment

luckily if she’s a wolf the other team will probably have to kill her at some point so they don’t get demolished

is she that good? i bet she is.

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:50 pm**

AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:32 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:56 pm Al if you are villager, how can anyone reach this read?
what making me scum tho??

Activity, my friend, and lack of interaction with me after I gave a TR for you. Townies are supportive and helpful. I know you are playing differently, but I saw you more active in many games.
Except you read me mafia and in this case I expected a push.
You look indiferent and indifference looks bad. You know how paranoid I become during a game

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:50 pm**

i am a wolf and you will never catch me glgl

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:50 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:41 pm @AL_sama do you think michelle is lying about ted being clear?

I don't think she is lying rather something is misleading her or else I m reading ted wrong

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:52 pm**

if spf flips red epic taunts.

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:53 pm**

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:50 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:39 pm to be honest spf is probably not catchable as a wolf in a multiball environment

luckily if she’s a wolf the other team will probably have to kill her at some point so they don’t get demolished
is she that good? i bet she is.

she’s one of the best players i know as both alignments

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:54 pm**

AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:50 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:41 pm @AL_sama do you think michelle is lying about ted being clear?
I don't think she is lying rather something is misleading her or else I m reading ted wrong

is it that hard to believe you could be wrong about ted?

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:55 pm**

i think that al_sama's treatment of ted is telling.

al_sama pushed aggressively against ted throughout the entirety of d1 - saying that he couldn't see ted playing like this as town, and that he thinks ted will ~definitely~ flip scum

but when i asked al_sama who would kill today if given the option, he gave me alison's name (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 27#p768027)

even though al_sama has clearly not been reading the thread, he somehow was playing with the mindset that ted was not a viable candidate for him to push on anymore. i took this as a sign that he could have been informed by his wolfchat that ted was "cleared"

but interestingly, al_sama reiterated his scumread on ted when i pressured him on it (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 55#p768155), and then acted like he knew about michelle clearing ted all along (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 96#p768196)

so, this raises multiple questions:

1. at what point did al_sama become aware that michelle claimed to clear ted?

2. if al_sama was aware that michelle cleared ted, why did it not impact his read on ted?

3. if michelle clearing ted did not impact al_sama's read on ted, then why did al_sama give a name that wasn't ted when he was asked who he wanted to kill?

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:57 pm**

spf stop being villagery, i’m trying to tinfoil you

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:59 pm**

i remain perfectly fine with killing al next. i think barring something mechanical they should always be our next lunch

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:00 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:50 pm Activity, my friend, and lack of interaction with me after I gave a TR for you. Townies are supportive and helpful. I know you are playing differently, but I saw you more active in many games.
Except you read me mafia and in this case I expected a push.
You look indiferent and indifference looks bad. You know how paranoid I become during a game

my play changes every game and so does mu activity

I m not scum reading you in fact you're one my strongest town read

pretty sure this isn't the first time you've seen me indifferent

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:03 pm**

i’m not really sold on falcon being a wolf at all despite what i’ve been saying. his posts seem similar to his recent villa games here at a glance and not really like how he was as a wolf in bee mafia

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:04 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:54 pm
AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:50 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:41 pm @AL_sama do you think michelle is lying about ted being clear?
I don't think she is lying rather something is misleading her or else I m reading ted wrong
is it that hard to believe you could be wrong about ted?

I m pretty stubborn and I like believing in my reads

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:05 pm**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:55 pm i think that al_sama's treatment of ted is telling.

al_sama pushed aggressively against ted throughout the entirety of d1 - saying that he couldn't see ted playing like this as town, and that he thinks ted will ~definitely~ flip scum

but when i asked al_sama who would kill today if given the option, he gave me alison's name (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 27#p768027)

even though al_sama has clearly not been reading the thread, he somehow was playing with the mindset that ted was not a viable candidate for him to push on anymore. i took this as a sign that he could have been informed by his wolfchat that ted was "cleared"

but interestingly, al_sama reiterated his scumread on ted when i pressured him on it (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 55#p768155), and then acted like he knew about michelle clearing ted all along (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 96#p768196)

so, this raises multiple questions:

1. at what point did al_sama become aware that michelle claimed to clear ted?

2. if al_sama was aware that michelle cleared ted, why did it not impact his read on ted?

3. if michelle clearing ted did not impact al_sama's read on ted, then why did al_sama give a name that wasn't ted when he was asked who he wanted to kill?

^^^@AL_sama , could you please answer the questions in this post?

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:08 pm**

AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:04 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:54 pm
AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:50 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:41 pm @AL_sama do you think michelle is lying about ted being clear?
I don't think she is lying rather something is misleading her or else I m reading ted wrong
is it that hard to believe you could be wrong about ted?
I m pretty stubborn and I like believing in my reads

i don’t really understand this. you say you’re too confused to make any reads, which implies a lack of certainty about anything. but at the same time, you’re so certain ted is a wolf that you think something is awry in michelle’s check? that doesn’t seem consistent to me. you can’t be simultaneously uncertain and confident at the same time. those mindsets are diametrically opposed

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:09 pm**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:55 pm even though al_sama has clearly not been reading the thread, he somehow was playing with the mindset that ted was not a viable candidate for him to push on anymore. i took this as a sign that he could have been informed by his wolfchat that ted was "cleared"

I never said I m not reading where did you get that from??

I said I m not active

both are different things

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:10 pm**

“i’m too confused to make any reads but also i’m so certain ted is a wolf that i think michelle’s green check is wrong”

wat

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:10 pm**

AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:00 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:50 pm Activity, my friend, and lack of interaction with me after I gave a TR for you. Townies are supportive and helpful. I know you are playing differently, but I saw you more active in many games.
Except you read me mafia and in this case I expected a push.
You look indiferent and indifference looks bad. You know how paranoid I become during a game
my play changes every game and so does mu activity

I m not scum reading you in fact you're one my strongest town read

pretty sure this isn't the first time you've seen me indifferent

I know and I saw you playing like this as town. . Everyone else doesn't know though.

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:10 pm**

AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:09 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:55 pm even though al_sama has clearly not been reading the thread, he somehow was playing with the mindset that ted was not a viable candidate for him to push on anymore. i took this as a sign that he could have been informed by his wolfchat that ted was "cleared"
I never said I m not reading where did you get that from??

I said I m not active

both are different things

how much of the game have you read so far? are you fully caught up? when did you become aware that ted was "cleared"?

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:11 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:10 pm “i’m too confused to make any reads but also i’m so certain ted is a wolf that i think michelle’s green check is wrong”

wat

Do you think scum would be so stubborn?

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:13 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:11 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:10 pm “i’m too confused to make any reads but also i’m so certain ted is a wolf that i think michelle’s green check is wrong”

wat
Do you think scum would be so stubborn?

i have no idea. he could be a wolf falling back on the same push he’s already made because he can’t generate new solving. he could also be a villager somehow

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:13 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:10 pm
AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:00 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:50 pm Activity, my friend, and lack of interaction with me after I gave a TR for you. Townies are supportive and helpful. I know you are playing differently, but I saw you more active in many games.
Except you read me mafia and in this case I expected a push.
You look indiferent and indifference looks bad. You know how paranoid I become during a game
my play changes every game and so does mu activity

I m not scum reading you in fact you're one my strongest town read

pretty sure this isn't the first time you've seen me indifferent
I know and I saw you playing like this as town. . Everyone else doesn't know though.

Do you have a link to the game in question?

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:14 pm**

Legacy read time?

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:14 pm**

i get the sense from how michelle and ted have been talking that this is not really different to how al plays as a villager? then what’s he like as a wolf? i’m struggling to imagine how he could be wolfier

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:15 pm**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:10 pm how much of the game have you read so far? are you fully caught up? when did you become aware that ted was "cleared"?

I caught up 2 hours ago

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:16 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:14 pm Legacy read time?

i don’t feel confident enough in anything to leave a legacy but i think i’ve generally made my positions known well enough

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:17 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:08 pm i don’t really understand this. you say you’re too confused to make any reads, which implies a lack of certainty about anything. but at the same time, you’re so certain ted is a wolf that you think something is awry in michelle’s check? that doesn’t seem consistent to me. you can’t be simultaneously uncertain and confident at the same time. those mindsets are diametrically opposed

like I said I m super stubborn sometimes

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:18 pm**

AL_sama's blind review of the mechanical information available to us:

AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:31 pm So far we have a player who is presumed to be a mason with a dead civilian.
its fine to trust mason claim as long as they know each other's roles -- Hally is town

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:31 pm A player who has claimed to be a treestump with some slight verification.
not sure about this one -- Esooa TBD
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:31 pm A player who claims mechanical/flavor knowledge of other roles, in such a way that appears likely to be a civilian.
the info can be trusted but not the player -- Alison's info is legit, but she may not be
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:31 pm A player who claims mech info on another player which clears that second player.
this is 50 50 can go either way -- Michelle and Ted are a shrug

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:19 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:14 pm Legacy read time?
i don’t feel confident enough in anything to leave a legacy but i think i’ve generally made my positions known well enough

Mind condensing your positions together in one easy-to-find place?

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:20 pm**

AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:17 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:08 pm i don’t really understand this. you say you’re too confused to make any reads, which implies a lack of certainty about anything. but at the same time, you’re so certain ted is a wolf that you think something is awry in michelle’s check? that doesn’t seem consistent to me. you can’t be simultaneously uncertain and confident at the same time. those mindsets are diametrically opposed
like I said I m super stubborn sometimes

you’re not understanding what i’m saying

you said “i’m too confused to make any reads”

you have also expressed such confidence in ted being a wolf that you’re going against a green check

how can you simultaneously be too confused to make any reads and also so confident in your wolf read of ted? why are you not too confused to have a read on ted?

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:22 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:19 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:14 pm Legacy read time?
i don’t feel confident enough in anything to leave a legacy but i think i’ve generally made my positions known well enough
Mind condensing your positions together in one easy-to-find place?

i can try

Posted: **Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:23 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:13 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:10 pm
AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:00 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:50 pm Activity, my friend, and lack of interaction with me after I gave a TR for you. Townies are supportive and helpful. I know you are playing differently, but I saw you more active in many games.
Except you read me mafia and in this case I expected a push.
You look indiferent and indifference looks bad. You know how paranoid I become during a game
my play changes every game and so does mu activity

I m not scum reading you in fact you're one my strongest town read

pretty sure this isn't the first time you've seen me indifferent
I know and I saw you playing like this as town. . Everyone else doesn't know though.
Do you have a link to the game in question?

If i am alive tomorow, but Al can provide neta cor himself ig

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