The Syndicate

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:15 pm**

It's at the end there, Daisy. I should have cut the fat out.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:15 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 3:26 pmI can visit any shrine I wish each night, and if a player who visits the same shrine as me gets nightkilled then I get their most recent/current night action report.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:16 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:53 am I’m not going to kill you just so I don’t have to deal with you any more, same goes for Daisy (though Daisy has lots of wolf equity)

if you are going to say something like this then you need to back it up. show the receipts.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:17 pm**

What's 'wolf equity'?

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:19 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:17 pm What's 'wolf equity'?

I fancy way of saying "there is evidence that supports somewhat that Daisy is a wolf".

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:20 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:51 am If I’m right on Marmot which I know I am, vote Marmot.
If you think he’s town, vote me.

Simple.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:53 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:52 am Like what am I supposed to do
Show.
Daisy.
I.
Am.
Town.

Or.

Vote.
Me.
Or.
Marmot.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:54 am @Marmot
Since your scum you can show Daisy why I’m town since you know I am!

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:55 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:53 am Daisy Gav is obviously town
There, there’s the read.

However I want a full in depth analysis of me being town from @Marmot

I stated i think you are town or mafia.

I have reasons to believe you are not 3rd party.

Vulgard claims being a bus driver.

he could have messed with things and so my result on you could be wrong.

if you are town, then how is Marmot scum?

you haven't said how Marmot is scum.

and Gavial I was the only one voting you. and you actually acting like you was 1 vote away from being lynched.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:21 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:13 pm I want you to know that your signature makes it imperative to vote for you, given the number of times you have been the counterwagon.

Fair... But also no.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:22 pm**

Gavial is acting like people actually listen you me when it comes to votes.

everything and everyone has been saying don't vanity vote daisy.

vote do and so daisy.

why r u voting this person daisy.

and yall don't even listen to me about nothing.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:23 pm**

tim going around here talking about he is the reason last 2 wolves got lynched.

talking about how he isleading town.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:23 pm**

tim saying he is frustrated and saying he found us 3 wolves so far.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:24 pm**

last I checked it was me who sussed falcon and monkey.

and everyone saying nah, they is probably town.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:25 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:17 pm What's 'wolf equity'?

it's saying I look scummy. and if that was the case he should show that evidence.

he doesn't become it doesn't exist

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:25 pm**

because*

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:26 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:15 pm It's at the end there, Daisy. I should have cut the fat out.

what is where?

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:29 pm**

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:24 pm last I checked it was me who sussed falcon and monkey.

and everyone saying nah, they is probably town.

Can you point me to where you “sussed falcon”

Honest question, I just couldn’t find it in your ISO

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:31 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:21 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:13 pm I want you to know that your signature makes it imperative to vote for you, given the number of times you have been the counterwagon.

Fair... But also no.

But in a more real, tangible way... yes.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:25 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:17 pm What's 'wolf equity'?
it's saying I look scummy. and if that was the case he should show that evidence.

he doesn't become it doesn't exist

The term makes me suspicious.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:26 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:15 pm It's at the end there, Daisy. I should have cut the fat out.
what is where?

The post where I revealed my role... is at the end of the previous page. I also "cut the fat out" and reposted it at the top of this one.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:35 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:57 am Me being alive with Daisy is a death sentence

iirc we only played 1 other game together.

I found the other 2 mafia scum fairly early on in game.

I was right about made being scum.

I showed how Moghedien was sus and how that shows Marmot was sus. iirc people didn’t catch what I saw.

I caught on early in game that the last 2 scums was in winner/day bracket.

I got Marmot out and then mog.

it was never tim who figured it out. it was me. the game is there. I found mog.

I was town. I didn't know anything was 233% guaranteed. yeah I susssed Tony a bit.

I was always going to lynch mog.

my point in being all this up?

I wasn't born yesterday. I know how to scum hunt. I know what I'm doing. I'm. other stupid.

you act like I'm the doom and gloom. of town. and town will lose because of me.

you can't just say someone is scum and expect me to just believe you. maybe I lack some reading comprehension but last I checked all you keep doing is saying that Marmot is scum but not why or how. and you saying you are town and you say so isn't enough evidence or proof or what have you for me.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:41 pm**

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:24 am Day 1, Daisy's on Seanzie, who flipped town.
Day 2, Daisy's on Made, who's a dead villager.
Day 3, Daisy's on Mogh, who flipped town.
Day 4. Admittedly, Daisy is on Falcon here, so my initial assertion was wrong. But she required some convincing to go there.
Day 5. Daisy is on Lost Monkey. But pretty much everyone is on Lost Monkey, so.

I'll admit my initial assertion of Daisy always voting villagers is wrong, but the other one still stands. "No alignment reads whatsoever" may be exaggerated but that is what I remember.

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A world where Marmot's mafia.

Marmot being so eager to self-pres onto Falcon indicates he's a more important wolf PR than Falcon was (though the point about the razor passing on to the wolves is pretty important here). But in that case, he's been a wagon far too often. You could chalk it up to the wolves simply being potatoes incapable of shifting the wagons away from their member, and I might be able to believe that narrative. You could argue that Marmot surviving so many wagons is a testament to the fact wolves DID indeed try to save him.

D2 Marmot wagon: Kylemii, Made (V), Qwags (V).
D3 Marmot wagon: MR, Jack (V), Kylemii, TSP, Moghedien (V), Falcon (W), Nanook (dead V).
D4 Marmot wagon: Tim, LC, Made (V), Scotty.

Marmot has been voted at EoD by nearly every living player in this game. The exceptions are Gavial, DaisyCloud and myself. I have no idea how Gavial hasn't managed to vote Marmot at EoD while pushing the world that Marmot's mafia, but hey. As for me, I've made it clear that I thought Marmot was town. The third is Daisy.

If you'd like to extrapolate Marmot's partner from the votes (if Marmot's mafia), it would indeed be Daisy.

I ha e made plenty of reads!! I have posted about who I thought is town and who I think is mafia scum. Show me where I never did that!!

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:42 pm**

I can say a bunch of nonsense about Vulgard too. I could even make an essay. Just because you post a bunch of words doesn't make it right.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:45 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:18 am I mean I guess it could explain Daisy’s Un logical push on me.
But if Daisy is scum they are the most AtE Douche scum I’ve ever played with.

make all the insults you want about mr. it doesn't change the fact that I am town. if all you can do to scum read me us make insults then you are a terrible player!

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:55 pm**

Vulgardmaking wrong assumptions and interpretation of events that never occurred in order to sus me is messed up. instead of creating a false narro, shy nkt just ask me why I did whst I did? but no to do that would debunk everything he suspectsme for. but yeah, let's just make up stuff and get people to listen. it's not like Vulgard isn't being sus already. this can't be a last ditch effort to get people to not dus him could it? especiallysince I'm easier to mislynch.

oh and you did redact your lies but you put it in a long wall post that you know most players probably won't read. I know scotty read it since he laughed at me and pointed it out. but based on posts made after you put out those false statements, most missed where u redacted. and you barely redacted. just saying well she didn't vote thst way like I said but daisy still sus. like, no!

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:57 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:19 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:15 am Marmot can be mafia but I am not too sure about him. I've brought up some points in Marmot's defense earlier and I didn't see anyone disproving them.
Daisy makes sense as Marmots partner.
We can vote there actually since Daisy won’t come to a conclusion I’m town.

could you not.

what are your reads outside of me and marjam and yourself.

you are like a broken record.

just stop

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:58 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:20 am Marmot can only be partners with Daisy, Tim or Scotty.
That’s it!

I am not mafia!! I'm not scum buddies with marmot!!

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 4:59 pm**

For what it's worth I'm scumreading you mainly by association with Marmot who I currently think flips mafia. I think that if it's not you then it's probably Radishes.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:00 pm**

I'll come clean now, that post you now wrote like ~30 messages about was exaggerated on purpose so I could see how you'd react. I'm honestly not sure what I expected. You reacted similarly last time I wolfread you, except this time you didn't selfvote.

If you're a villager, I want to work with you, but you're making it difficult. And no, I'm not trying to blame you for everything that went wrong in this game. That would be messed up.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:00 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:18 am I mean I guess it could explain Daisy’s Un logical push on me.
But if Daisy is scum they are the most AtE Douche scum I’ve ever played with.

Gavial meet gavial

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:02 pm**

And by the way, don't take what Gavial says to heart. He has a tendency of ad hominem attacks that comes out at random.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:02 pm**

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 12:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:17 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:14 am Daisy's been alive for six straight days and she has somehow managed to not make a single alignment read the entire time she was here. Not only that, but she has been consistently voting away from wolf wagons. She also has the audacity to complain every single time someone brings up the possibility of her being mafia with these prerequisites.
@DaisyCloud can you confirm or debunk the assertion that you have never made an alignment read or voted for a wolf?
I have been giving my reads. I have voted out wolves.

I listed what alignments I think people are.

I have mistakes. I read some people as wolf and it turned out they were town. I have mislynched too. I thought Mac could be town.

I admitted to my mistakes.

show me where I never lynched falcon and monkey and I will blast you to kingdom come for cheating. because 8 did vote them out.

I gave reasons based on my actions why I think Gavial and scotty are not 3rd party.

I asked if those could be wrong based on bus.

show me where I never gave out my reads and such on players and I will blast you out the game for cheating.

I have been scum hunting. I have been focused on finding scum. I have posts where I let you all know where my reads are on players.

Do not lie and say I haven't voted out wolves.

if you r going to scum read me then this is the most ridiculous way to do it that I have ever seen.

you do know that eod vote polls exist right? you guys do know you can look and read people's posts and those can't be deleted.

you need to stop this right now

I’ll take that as a ‘debunk’

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:03 pm**

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 12:55 pm
Vulgardis straight up lying when he says i never voted out monkey and falcon and lying about how I never gave my reads

this is getting out of hand now there are two of them

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:03 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:22 pm And once again Daisy entered thread to call out anyone sussing her and not commenting at all on the game state.

I mean I feel that since I committed to townreading the same stuff on day 3

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:03 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:24 pm Oh she also moved her vote to no vote some time

Yo. Moving votes around without transparency in thread is sus

No it’s not

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:04 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:03 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 12:55 pm
Vulgardis straight up lying when he says i never voted out monkey and falcon and lying about how I never gave my reads

this is getting out of hand now there are two of them

Ok viceroy

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:04 pm**

good evening gamers

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:04 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:52 pm I guess this'll just be a silent EOD and I'll die without any discussion?

Current reads right now:

Tim
Scotty
Kyle
TSP
Daisy
Vulgard
Gavial
Long Con
MR

I don't have much insight on who the 3P is. It appears not to be among Gavial and Scotty. I don't think TSP is it. That leaves pretty much everyone else (except for probably MR, due to the inactivity of his original slot).

Can you talk to me about Kyle

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:04 pm**

speak of the devil

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:05 pm**

The main principles of my case against you, DaisyCloud, are that:

- You are less towny than most players in the game fmpov. TSP buried Falcon, Tim is an un-CC'd vig who shot Mac, Scotty's been towny throughout the game, Gavial's been in townmeta, and Long Con is very unlikely to be mafia if Marmot's a wolf.
- Since we're currently flipping Marmot, with the assumption he's mafia I have to look at the other players. These other players include you and MR.
- You are tied to wolf!Marmot more directly than MR is, because you voted off his wagon on day 3, when I suspect he was saved.

These are the facts that have nothing to do with your contributions to the game, other than the first point I suppose.

If Marmot isn't mafia, then I think LC's scum equity rises naturally, since I don't think the TSP/Tim/Scotty/Gavial group contains a wolf. Maybe the 3p, but not a wolf. In that world, you might be town.

There's also the world where you are 3p, but I'm not seriously considering it at the moment.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:05 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:00 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:52 pm I guess this'll just be a silent EOD and I'll die without any discussion?

Current reads right now:

Tim
Scotty
Kyle
TSP
Daisy
Vulgard
Gavial
Long Con
MR

I don't have much insight on who the 3P is. It appears not to be among Gavial and Scotty. I don't think TSP is it. That leaves pretty much everyone else (except for probably MR, due to the inactivity of his original slot).
Do you think LC’s role reveal is a gambit designed to reward him townie points?

Ok I missed it tbh

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:05 pm**

But yes regardless of LC’s alignment

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:07 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 11:17 am If Daisy is mafia, she’s set up some damning parameters for future games- because she’s committed to the unbreakable vow that she would never bus a teammate as bad (which btw I think is a poor strategy long term, but sometimes you gotta hold your integrity where you hold it so I can’t fault her for having these principles).

If she does that this game, I dare say no one will ever take her seriously with future claims.

I am not mafia.

do you really think I'm such a low life of a player thst I would stoop to such tactics?

stop insulting me.

if all anyone can do is disrespect me and insult me to cast shade and doubt on me, to showcase how im mafia then it is a pure fact that you guys got 0.

you, Vulgard, and gavial know I am town.

the fact that you guys can only insult me proves that.

you guys got a 0 case on me.

I am simply town who is a bit confused, a bit lost, who has made some mistakes early in game. but I made some good reads and I helped lynch 2 wolves. all I have ever done is play to my town wincon.

I haven't stooped low to just fling insults at people.

I get it that you might be frustrated or tired or whatever. but let’s all play a clean game. let's all be respectful.

if you 3 want to continue sussing me then you need to make cases and such. stop using plain. insults to show how I am mafia.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:07 pm**

I forgot to mention Kyle. Kyle has an early vote on Falcon that looks good for him, and decent interactions with flipped wolves. I could see him being mafia, but less so than you, DaisyCloud. He also was on the Marmot wagon day 3, so in the world where Marmot is mafia, he's even less likely to be mafia.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:07 pm**

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:16 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:53 am I’m not going to kill you just so I don’t have to deal with you any more, same goes for Daisy (though Daisy has lots of wolf equity)
if you are going to say something like this then you need to back it up. show the receipts.

Super wolfy EOD 4, lack of reads in thread, less clear patterns of behavior

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:08 pm**

I have just explained the actual case on you, DaisyCloud. And I don't remember a single time I actually insulted you in this game, but that's beside the point.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:08 pm**

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:20 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:51 am If I’m right on Marmot which I know I am, vote Marmot.
If you think he’s town, vote me.

Simple.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:53 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:52 am Like what am I supposed to do
Show.
Daisy.
I.
Am.
Town.

Or.

Vote.
Me.
Or.
Marmot.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:54 am @Marmot
Since your scum you can show Daisy why I’m town since you know I am!

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:55 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:53 am Daisy Gav is obviously town
There, there’s the read.

However I want a full in depth analysis of me being town from @Marmot
I stated i think you are town or mafia.

I have reasons to believe you are not 3rd party.

Vulgard claims being a bus driver.

he could have messed with things and so my result on you could be wrong.

if you are town, then how is Marmot scum?

you haven't said how Marmot is scum.

and Gavial I was the only one voting you. and you actually acting like you was 1 vote away from being lynched.

Daisy we’re at the point where this is kinda beyond the pale you need to full claim

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:08 pm**

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:00 pm I'll come clean now, that post you now wrote like ~30 messages about was exaggerated on purpose so I could see how you'd react. I'm honestly not sure what I expected. You reacted similarly last time I wolfread you, except this time you didn't selfvote.

If you're a villager, I want to work with you, but you're making it difficult. And no, I'm not trying to blame you for everything that went wrong in this game. That would be messed up.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:05 pm The main principles of my case against you, DaisyCloud, are that:

- You are less towny than most players in the game fmpov. TSP buried Falcon, Tim is an un-CC'd vig who shot Mac, Scotty's been towny throughout the game, Gavial's been in townmeta, and Long Con is very unlikely to be mafia if Marmot's a wolf.
- Since we're currently flipping Marmot, with the assumption he's mafia I have to look at the other players. These other players include you and MR.
- You are tied to wolf!Marmot more directly than MR is, because you voted off his wagon on day 3, when I suspect he was saved.

These are the facts that have nothing to do with your contributions to the game, other than the first point I suppose.

If Marmot isn't mafia, then I think LC's scum equity rises naturally, since I don't think the TSP/Tim/Scotty/Gavial group contains a wolf. Maybe the 3p, but not a wolf. In that world, you might be town.

There's also the world where you are 3p, but I'm not seriously considering it at the moment.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:07 pm I forgot to mention Kyle. Kyle has an early vote on Falcon that looks good for him, and decent interactions with flipped wolves. I could see him being mafia, but less so than you, DaisyCloud. He also was on the Marmot wagon day 3, so in the world where Marmot is mafia, he's even less likely to be mafia.

@DaisyCloud

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:09 pm**

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:42 pm
I can say a bunch of nonsense about Vulgard too. I could even make an essay. Just because you post a bunch of words doesn't make it right.

Daisy cmon

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:09 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:04 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:52 pm I guess this'll just be a silent EOD and I'll die without any discussion?

Current reads right now:

Tim
Scotty
Kyle
TSP
Daisy
Vulgard
Gavial
Long Con
MR

I don't have much insight on who the 3P is. It appears not to be among Gavial and Scotty. I don't think TSP is it. That leaves pretty much everyone else (except for probably MR, due to the inactivity of his original slot).
Can you talk to me about Kyle

He's been in his own world while still contributing, I don't think he fits on a team with falcon.

What do you think of him?

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:10 pm**

can anyone who's good at math help me figure out how many misses we can afford before we're in the trouble zone

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:10 pm**

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:55 pm Vulgardmaking wrong assumptions and interpretation of events that never occurred in order to sus me is messed up. instead of creating a false narro, shy nkt just ask me why I did whst I did? but no to do that would debunk everything he suspectsme for. but yeah, let's just make up stuff and get people to listen. it's not like Vulgard isn't being sus already. this can't be a last ditch effort to get people to not dus him could it? especiallysince I'm easier to mislynch.

oh and you did redact your lies but you put it in a long wall post that you know most players probably won't read. I know scotty read it since he laughed at me and pointed it out. but based on posts made after you put out those false statements, most missed where u redacted. and you barely redacted. just saying well she didn't vote thst way like I said but daisy still sus. like, no!

it was like two paragraphs long it’s not a wall post that nobody read

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:11 pm**

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 12:11 pm Assuming my Marmot analysis is correct then Daisy is the most likely partner.

omg! I am not mafia buddies with marmot!!

what is wrong with u?

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2021 5:12 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:10 pm can anyone who's good at math help me figure out how many misses we can afford before we're in the trouble zone

Probably 1 and a vig/SK shot but maybe also zero because we have two-three people in the thread who have come out with disastrously bad LYLO plans

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