The Syndicate

See ya Mac. I'm happy your death gives me a chance to win. But I'm sorry to lose your mind in the game.

The Scarecrow kinda needs to go.

Golden wrote:Oh, I even checked the EST on my computer and thought we had another hour.

Guess it doesn't matter because I'm alive, but I thought I might wind up dead and wanted to strongly encourage people to look at Dom before casting their vote today.

I think he is pushing agendas. I also note that both Wilgy and Scotty had him on their radar before being killed by team Falcone.

I think Dom is Falcone himself, rather than a corrupt cop.

Also, for all the theories about Bubbles... her last visit to the site was not within the last 48 hours.

Golden, you've quite evolved on your stance on me. I'm pushing agendas now? Yeah, I want baddies dead. I think Bubbles is one of them.

Wilgy had me at pink in one rainbow early in the game with two or three people below me. I just checked. Scotty and I bickered teh entire game until he was killed (I believe, now, he was a civ-- or at least not bad).

Also Golden, you keep pushing this idea that Bubbles, if she is the cop and not Falcone (you seem to be FIXATED on her HAVING to be the cop) she MUST be sending in PMs, right?
Well, when I went to look up Wilgy's suspicion you brought up, I saw this gem in the rules:

Epignosis wrote:The Rules

12. Team PMs are permitted.

Well, I had this stance on you yesterday.

I think you will succeed in getting bubbles lynched today. When she comes back town, which she will, I will continue to push for your lynch tomorrow.

Golden wrote:Well, I had this stance on you yesterday.

I think you will succeed in getting bubbles lynched today. When she comes back town, which she will, I will continue to push for your lynch tomorrow.

No, you said it was a process of elimination that made me bad.
Now I'm pushing agendas.
Which is it?

Don't you know Scotty's role for sure?

@Dom - I don't mean I had it on you yesterday publicly in the thread. I meant it was already my view yesterday, but I just chose not to say it. I tried to get something going on you without seeming set on you, but it didn't. I was interested to let your push on Bubbles play out and see what happened. I have thought you were team Falcone for a while, so I didn't want to push too hard until after this kill in case I died. Now I have two days without having to fear a NK from Falcone.

I'm not fixated on the idea of bubbles being the cop, but her sending in the kills is basically the only thing that separates her as a candidate from ekeknat, bass and equivocate.

Also, basically the only person bubbles has called out all game as being bad is you.

Golden wrote:Don't you know Scotty's role for sure?

@Dom - I don't mean I had it on you yesterday publicly in the thread. I meant it was already my view yesterday, but I just chose not to say it. I tried to get something going on you without seeming set on you, but it didn't. I was interested to let your push on Bubbles play out and see what happened. I have thought you were team Falcone for a while, so I didn't want to push too hard until after this kill in case I died. Now I have two days without having to fear a NK from Falcone.

Bullsuit.

You never mentioned me until I started to question you. What happened to your Typhoony suspicion? This is very contrived.

Golden wrote:Also, basically the only person bubbles has called out all game as being bad is you.

Please, do link me to that.

Bubbles wrote:city hall sounds like an interesting location so i'm voting that. also sorry for missing the last vote and the lack of thread-related posts, i haven't been keeping up with the thread
but for now dom seems more vocal than usual

Here you go dom. You, having talked about your case on bubbles being the tone of all of her nine posts, I would assume were already familiar with this.

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:Don't you know Scotty's role for sure?

@Dom - I don't mean I had it on you yesterday publicly in the thread. I meant it was already my view yesterday, but I just chose not to say it. I tried to get something going on you without seeming set on you, but it didn't. I was interested to let your push on Bubbles play out and see what happened. I have thought you were team Falcone for a while, so I didn't want to push too hard until after this kill in case I died. Now I have two days without having to fear a NK from Falcone.

Bullsuit.

You never mentioned me until I started to question you. What happened to your Typhoony suspicion? This is very contrived.

What happened to my Typhoony suspicion is already well documented in the thread.

And as for 'never mentioning you until you started mentioning me... with all those links you pointed out from around day 8...

Here is the gth from day 6.

Golden wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Moving on then

DharmaHelper
DFaraday
Dom

Bad
Bad
Bad

I didn't expect those reads, but I guess thats what gth give you sometimes!

Golden wrote:

Bubbles wrote:city hall sounds like an interesting location so i'm voting that. also sorry for missing the last vote and the lack of thread-related posts, i haven't been keeping up with the thread
but for now dom seems more vocal than usual

Here you go dom. You, having talked about your case on bubbles being the tone of all of her nine posts, I would assume were already familiar with this.

....that's calling me bad?
I'm familiar with the post, Golden. It's just hilarious that you call this calling me bad. She didn't vote for me. But she HAS voted for other people.

Golden are you really accusing me of having an "agenda" when you just admitted to plotting to lynch me since Day 6?

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:

Bubbles wrote:city hall sounds like an interesting location so i'm voting that. also sorry for missing the last vote and the lack of thread-related posts, i haven't been keeping up with the thread
but for now dom seems more vocal than usual

Here you go dom. You, having talked about your case on bubbles being the tone of all of her nine posts, I would assume were already familiar with this.

....that's calling me bad?
I'm familiar with the post, Golden. It's just hilarious that you call this calling me bad. She didn't vote for me. But she HAS voted for other people.

I knew you were familiar with the post. I even knew what you were going to say afterwards. It wasn't exactly difficult to see where you were going.

Dom wrote:Golden are you really accusing me of having an "agenda" when you just admitted to plotting to lynch me since Day 6?

I can't even fathom how quickly you moved from accusing me of a no u for not suspecting you soon enough to me having an agenda for suspecting you too long ago.

It's a serious question.

That's a Falcone kill on Day 7 and 9 you waited out, if that was truly your fear.

Golden wrote:

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:

Bubbles wrote:city hall sounds like an interesting location so i'm voting that. also sorry for missing the last vote and the lack of thread-related posts, i haven't been keeping up with the thread
but for now dom seems more vocal than usual

Here you go dom. You, having talked about your case on bubbles being the tone of all of her nine posts, I would assume were already familiar with this.

....that's calling me bad?
I'm familiar with the post, Golden. It's just hilarious that you call this calling me bad. She didn't vote for me. But she HAS voted for other people.

I knew you were familiar with the post. I even knew what you were going to say afterwards. It wasn't exactly difficult to see where you were going.

You mean that your claim that Bubbles has suspected me is unsubstantiated at best?


Golden, I didn't realize that GTH was Day 6.

I would much rather lynch Bubbles than you, at any rate. I'm much more sure of her being bad.

I read you as bad on day 6. Thats in response to you claiming I'm doing a no u.

I saw you as specifically Falcone yesterday (day 9), not on day 6.

But, here is what I intend to do today.

I am going to do my best to PROVE bubbles is on her civ game.

Her posts are SO different between civ and bad.

I think it is difficult for anyone to look at the evidence and suggest she is bad.

Golden wrote:I read you as bad on day 6. Thats in response to you claiming I'm doing a no u.

I saw you as specifically Falcone yesterday (day 9), not on day 6.

Well that makes more sense to me.


You're wrong, but at least that makes more sense to me.

Golden wrote:But, here is what I intend to do today.

I am going to do my best to PROVE bubbles is on her civ game.

Her posts are SO different between civ and bad.

I think it is difficult for anyone to look at the evidence and suggest she is bad.

There is zero doubt in my mind that Bubbles is bad.

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:But, here is what I intend to do today.

I am going to do my best to PROVE bubbles is on her civ game.

Her posts are SO different between civ and bad.

I think it is difficult for anyone to look at the evidence and suggest she is bad.

There is zero doubt in my mind that Bubbles is bad.

Why?

I mean, all you have to go on is nine posts and a handful of votes, most of which are in night polls. You didn't really go after her until yesterday. This doesn't seem like the stuff certainty is made of.

Golden wrote:

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:But, here is what I intend to do today.

I am going to do my best to PROVE bubbles is on her civ game.

Her posts are SO different between civ and bad.

I think it is difficult for anyone to look at the evidence and suggest she is bad.

There is zero doubt in my mind that Bubbles is bad.

Why?

I do not think her posts were uninformed, Golden. I have spelled this out over and over again. I read her tone as bad. I read her post as informed. I agreed with other people's points. I brought up my own.

That falls short of certain, though. Why do you feel your tells are so certain?

Golden wrote:That falls short of certain, though. Why do you feel your tells are so certain?

It's a figure of speech, Golden. I could be wrong, but I do not think I am.

OK, Dom... don't take this from the perspective of me reading you as bad. Take it from the perspective of me trying to evaluate if I'm wrong and you're right. Because this is how I intend this.

I'm posting bubbles nine posts. Could you please evaluate which of these you feel are tonally bad, and which of them you feel are informed.

1)

Bubbles wrote:hi all! *waves* i'm picking wayne's manor because i'm a goodie and it sounds like a civ option

2)

Bubbles wrote:

bea wrote:

Bubbles wrote:hi all! *waves* i'm picking wayne's manor because i'm a goodie and it sounds like a civ option

bubbles!! long time no see!! I didn't realize you were signed up for this! I hope all is well in your neck of the woods.

Aw thanks miss bea, glad you're here too! havent played mafia for a while feels like i'm starting over

3)

Bubbles wrote:city hall sounds like an interesting location so i'm voting that. also sorry for missing the last vote and the lack of thread-related posts, i haven't been keeping up with the thread
but for now dom seems more vocal than usual

4)

Bubbles wrote:soo i looked over matt's posts since he is the most voted right now, and i don't see it, don't think he is bad. suspicious of people who voted for him, gonna throw my own vote in for nero

5)

Bubbles wrote:good job on sabie everyone, probably wouldve voted her (he?) as well if i'd been in time for the vote. i feel like im barely in this game but ive been trying to keep up with reading.
anyway voting wayne's manor cause it sounds cozy

6)

Bubbles wrote:i agree with golden don't think glorfindel is bad, seems genuine to me. voting S~V~S on his behalf

on a side note what is your username based upon glorfindel? it reminds me of lord of the rings

7)

Bubbles wrote:wow i didnt expect to get a response so quick! no im not attempted to save glorfindel (i assume thats where you guys are going?) and i HAVE been on the thread the last week just not posting, i have been busy, trying to not be totally absent from the thread. hope that explains it. i doubt it will but oh well

8)

Bubbles wrote:also im getting off now cause partner needs to use computer,cheers all

9)

Bubbles wrote:voting wayne's manor

and RIP Glorfindel Hope your break gives you a little peace of mind! You have my sympathies I know what it's like to feel unsupported, but please try not to take it to heart its not personal I often make that mistake too its just the nature of the game! would love to get to know you better in the future, enjoy your break & take care

@MP - I wrote you a rainbow list and you've still ignored it

5-7.

5. Oh I would have voted for the baddie, but shucks, wasn't around.

6. Very suddenly has an opinion on someone who was theorized to be bad. Votes another other person being discussed at the time. For someone not paying attention that's remarkable.

7. Is now keeping up (she had been criticized for being informed after saying that she wasn't caught up).

Dom wrote:5-7.

5. Oh I would have voted for the baddie, but shucks, wasn't around.

6. Very suddenly has an opinion on someone who was theorized to be bad. Votes another other person being discussed at the time. For someone not paying attention that's remarkable.

7. Is now keeping up (she had been criticized for being informed after saying that she wasn't caught up).

OK.

My feelings on these.

I feel like 5 is the biggest pointer to a baddie bubbles. Saying she would have voted sabie? That does genuinely bother me.

7 doesn't bother me too much at all because I'd seen bubbles in the thread for long periods of time often without posting, so it is entirely plausible that she was mostly up with the thread to me. I think if the idea of her being 'informed' is you think she wasn't reading the thread - well, its no wonder we differ there, because I'd seen her doing it quite regularly. Regularly enough to believe she could be sending in the kill before I was even thinking about the fact that she'd only need to be around once every two night phases. I still did believe she could be sending in the kill until last night, but you've rightly pointed out that team PMs are allowed.

6 doesn't bother me so much because I understand why Bubbles would choose to defend Glorfindel. They are in some ways kindred spirits, with similar friendly tones and who struggle with the more severe aspects of the game. In addition, the suspicion of SVS was no longer held by me at that point and wasn't really going anywhere so I don't know who would have informed her that voting SVS was a good idea... unless it was glorfindel, which it wasn't. If anything, this post to me speaks of her not being informed... the smarter thing if she was a baddie with a teammate would be to inform her that she should vote glorfindel.

The one person I could see bubbles as bad with is Matt, like I can see where you are coming from if thats your angle, but he is one of two people she defended, the other was glorf and glorf was civ.

Her first post, though:

Bubbles wrote:hi all! *waves* i'm picking wayne's manor because i'm a goodie and it sounds like a civ option

Like, compare this to A World Reborn, where she wasn't willing to directly say she was a civ until pushed to, eg...

Bubbles wrote:@a2thezebra no

@turniphead am i bad? go by my track record!

She was bad there.

In Recruitment, where she started as neutral and wasn't civ...

Bubbles wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

TinyBubbles wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

TinyBubbles wrote:POST. hi everyone

POST. I see you voted. Any reason you chose the one you did?

not really, it's just the first number so why not start at the beginning
since we are going to cycle through all 5 positions anyway
and I like the number 1 :P

That was my reasoning, copycat. Are you bad?

yes, i'm evil. badder than you could ever suspect! better lynch me now, doo eet.
actually i thought the position 1 also had many protector - ish options, compared to some of the other positions.

But in all her other games, where she has been civ... she has said things exactly like her first Arkham quote. Claiming she was good/civ/town.

The reason I find Bubbles good, is because I think she has trouble lying about being town if she isn't.

Having said that... one thing that didn't occur to me sooner. If she is civ I think she is cop. If she is cop, she could have been recruited after this point.

So, all in all, where have I come to after that?

I think there are some legitimate reasons to read bubbles either way... more reasons to see her as bad than I did before this convo... and I wish she would come back and engage on the suspicions.

I must go to bed.
I look forward to what others think on this.




Golden, you have admitted many flaws in your case that she is civ. I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing it.

Rub a dub dubbles lets maybe not lynch bubbles.

Controversial request, and I'm sure it's gonna stir some shit against me, but can we pls try to get the Scarecrow either today or tomorrow (since fortunately there's no mafia kill tonight)? If that fucker ends up dying at night that's really gonna suck for some people, and the player pool is just getting smaller so he may as well be winning.

It's not me, I'm pretty damn sure it's not MP, it's probably not any of Bass/Bubbles/ekeknat/Equivocate. I don't think it's Dom, Golden, juliets or S~V~S. That leaves me with:

Bullzeye
DH
Lorab
Matt
Typhoony

I think Matt is the least likely candidate to give us a negative result, it's true that the guy has been doing nothing but distracting us with his crackpot theories while we let him slide through the game. Also sorry I meant to post something like this hours ago but I got sidetracked and only now got around finishing this post. Let's lynch Matt.

"I think Matt is the least likely candidate to give us a negative result" could not have been phrased better.

Yeah you know what I was about to say I fucked up but it's actually not wrong. I could have phrased it better

We're most likely to get a positive from lynching Matt.

I hadn't noticed that the Scarecrow has to be lynched to get the benefit of the antidote to win con thing.

I'm not opposed to trying to lynch the Scarecrow, but if I was going to seriously vote for someone on the idea they are the Scarecrow, I'd want to understand more about why you think it can't be certain candidates.

Also, do we have any evidence the Scarecrow is currently alive? I was targetted so long ago it could be nearly anyone.

I'm more than happy for us to kill scarecrow today but I agree with Golden about wanting to know why it can't be X or Y, as well as why any particular person might be scarecrow. For the record I'm fairly sure he is still alive.

Enrique wrote:Controversial request, and I'm sure it's gonna stir some shit against me, but can we pls try to get the Scarecrow either today or tomorrow (since fortunately there's no mafia kill tonight)? If that fucker ends up dying at night that's really gonna suck for some people, and the player pool is just getting smaller so he may as well be winning.

It's not me, I'm pretty damn sure it's not MP, it's probably not any of Bass/Bubbles/ekeknat/Equivocate. I don't think it's Dom, Golden, juliets or S~V~S. That leaves me with:

Bullzeye
DH
Lorab
Matt
Typhoony

I think Matt is the least likely candidate to give us a negative result, it's true that the guy has been doing nothing but distracting us with his crackpot theories while we let him slide through the game. Also sorry I meant to post something like this hours ago but I got sidetracked and only now got around finishing this post. Let's lynch Matt.

Nah, let's not.

I want the Scarecrow dead too. Check out my first post on Day 6.

Matt wrote:RIP Scotty

Question for anyone/everyone - Are you personally under the impression that MP is Wonder Boy?

Yeah, connect the dots, wonder what my new win con was? And I'm sorry MP, I know you're a civ friendly indy, but you're not civ and I really didn't care. Didn't seem to matter anyway, because my ensuing sussing of you didn't lead to much, and finally I just decided to give up on it and if I lost, I lost.

I thought it was REALLY funny when someone (Mac? Dom?) quoted me talking about how I gave up on sussing MP, and they said "Oh you're bad then cuz that never happens". I actually decided to not be a schmo and get called out for being bad. Swell.

If you lynch me, you're wasting a phase. That's all I can say.

I won't be voting Matt.

LoRab, DH, bubbles and dom are really the options, for me. I don't think Typh or Bullz are bad or Scarecrow.

Golden wrote:I won't be voting Matt.

LoRab, DH, bubbles and dom are really the options, for me. I don't think Typh or Bullz are bad or Scarecrow.

I'm not bad. Last I asked, you said you weren't that suspicious of me and that it was a numbers thing. Is that still your reason?

LoRab wrote:

Golden wrote:I won't be voting Matt.

LoRab, DH, bubbles and dom are really the options, for me. I don't think Typh or Bullz are bad or Scarecrow.

I'm not bad. Last I asked, you said you weren't that suspicious of me and that it was a numbers thing. Is that still your reason?

Yep. You are probably still least suspicious to me of that group.

Matt, why do you think MP is Scarecrow?


Golden, I'm not the Scarecrow. What makes you able to eliminate so many players?

Golden wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Golden wrote:I won't be voting Matt.

LoRab, DH, bubbles and dom are really the options, for me. I don't think Typh or Bullz are bad or Scarecrow.

I'm not bad. Last I asked, you said you weren't that suspicious of me and that it was a numbers thing. Is that still your reason?

Yep. You are probably still least suspicious to me of that group.

Glad to see that, because i'm not bad. So curious on your thinking about who everyone is. Do you think there are only 3 baddies/bad indies left in the game?

Golden wrote:

Bubbles wrote:city hall sounds like an interesting location so i'm voting that. also sorry for missing the last vote and the lack of thread-related posts, i haven't been keeping up with the thread
but for now dom seems more vocal than usual

I realize your question of which post seemed informed was to Dom, but as I also hold that opinion, I wanted to point out that this post is the post that seemed the most to me was getting information from somewhere other than the thread. This was the post I pointed out much earlier in the game, IIRC in a conversation with you, actually.

In this post, she says that she has not been keeping up with the thread and also makes a comment about how much another player is posting.

That said player is not known for being quiet is another odd point, but I still don't see (and no one has offered an explanation) how a player who has not been keeping up could know the relative posting amount of another player.

Golden wrote:Her first post, though:

Bubbles wrote:hi all! *waves* i'm picking wayne's manor because i'm a goodie and it sounds like a civ option

Like, compare this to A World Reborn, where she wasn't willing to directly say she was a civ until pushed to, eg...

Bubbles wrote:@a2thezebra no

@turniphead am i bad? go by my track record!

She was bad there.

In Recruitment, where she started as neutral and wasn't civ...

Bubbles wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

TinyBubbles wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

TinyBubbles wrote:POST. hi everyone

POST. I see you voted. Any reason you chose the one you did?

not really, it's just the first number so why not start at the beginning
since we are going to cycle through all 5 positions anyway
and I like the number 1 :P

That was my reasoning, copycat. Are you bad?

yes, i'm evil. badder than you could ever suspect! better lynch me now, doo eet.
actually i thought the position 1 also had many protector - ish options, compared to some of the other positions.

But in all her other games, where she has been civ... she has said things exactly like her first Arkham quote. Claiming she was good/civ/town.

The reason I find Bubbles good, is because I think she has trouble lying about being town if she isn't.

Having said that... one thing that didn't occur to me sooner. If she is civ I think she is cop. If she is cop, she could have been recruited after this point.

As an alternate theory, she has learned from experience. I was a crappy baddie the first time I was bad (also my first game). But we learn from experience. Her first post when she was bad was part of the case against her, if I recall. Maybe she learned from experience and consciously wrote a different kind of first post this time. Or, as you point out the possibility of, she is a cop who was recruited.

Enrique wrote:Controversial request, and I'm sure it's gonna stir some shit against me, but can we pls try to get the Scarecrow either today or tomorrow (since fortunately there's no mafia kill tonight)? If that fucker ends up dying at night that's really gonna suck for some people, and the player pool is just getting smaller so he may as well be winning.

It's not me, I'm pretty damn sure it's not MP, it's probably not any of Bass/Bubbles/ekeknat/Equivocate. I don't think it's Dom, Golden, juliets or S~V~S. That leaves me with:

Bullzeye
DH
Lorab
Matt
Typhoony

I think Matt is the least likely candidate to give us a negative result, it's true that the guy has been doing nothing but distracting us with his crackpot theories while we let him slide through the game. Also sorry I meant to post something like this hours ago but I got sidetracked and only now got around finishing this post. Let's lynch Matt.

I am not Scarecrow. I'm willing to consider lynching scarecrow (for that matter, I'm willing to lynch all of the inmates, since there is a civ who needs each of them dead, and I believe in supporting the civ cause overall), but as others have said, I need more information of how you got to your list of possibilites.

Mp, what are your thoughts?

Why won't you vote Matt, Golden?