The Syndicate

Awesome post once again, Robert! Lucky, nice going, FH!

Looking at the ones who didn't vote... Ishar, Keapon Laffin, and reptar have never played the online mafia before. JJLehto has twice, I believe, but it's been a long time for him. DH, DP, and Orsonkidd are regulars.

However, considering the prologue was 24 hours, it's very possible these people may not even know the game has started. I don't think any of them have even checked into the thread, have they? I don't recall any.

I find it weird that it would be suggested to lynch one of them at the very start of the day.

EBWOP: Nevermind, DH just recently posted, so he's here now.

JJLehto has checked in. Claimed he would vote later, but never did. An obvious liar!

thellama73 wrote:

He-Man wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

He-Man wrote:

thellama73 wrote:How exciting! A victory for math, with the Wind Raider coming in first. Congratulations to Flyin' High for his victory. Now the question becomes, who to lynch? I don't really know most of you, so it's a shame to have to kill anyone, but I'm inclined to punish the ones who didn't vote on the grounds that they are being no fun. Thoughts?

I like your keeness I hope you saying that rustles some featherz to get the party started

Thank you. In the past, my eagerness has made me a target and gotten me killed early, but what fun is it to sit on the sidelines and watch? I'd rather lose a fun game than win a boring one.

I feel the same way and have to been lynched early because of me being eager to get started so who never voted?

I'm glad to say I had the foresight to keep a spreadsheet!
We had no vote from:
Dharmahelper
Disgruntledporcupine
Ishar Morrad Chuain
jjlehto
Keapon Laffin05
Orson Kidd
and
repatronice

I am appreciative of the fact you keep a SS. Did you happen to note which from this group has also not posted?

Sorry for the triple post. I have to go to night class now, so I'll be around later perhaps, though I'll be spending time with Spacedaisy.

llama, I have been keeping a spreadsheet as well but missed the last round of votes. Would you be able to post them? I haven't kept a spreadsheet in a mafia game for a while, and found it might be wise to try it again.

Linkitis with llama: Oh, you're right! I do remember him posting now that you mention it. So we're missing 5 so far then?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
I find it weird that it would be suggested to lynch one of them at the very start of the day.

I dont find it weird. I think the sooner we get talking and nit picking the sooner we get closer to lynching baddies. I find it weird your against it tbb.

^This I quite agree with He-man

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sorry for the triple post. I have to go to night class now, so I'll be around later perhaps, though I'll be spending time with Spacedaisy.

llama, I have been keeping a spreadsheet as well but missed the last round of votes. Would you be able to post them? I haven't kept a spreadsheet in a mafia game for a while, and found it might be wise to try it again.

Linkitis with llama: Oh, you're right! I do remember him posting now that you mention it. So we're missing 5 so far then?

Sure!

AceOfSpaces: Stridor
AllAlongTheBoardwalk: Wind Raider
AnnaDanielle: Battle Ram
birdwithteeth11: Stridor
blindfaeth: Stridor
BoomSlang: Wind Raider
Dfaraday: Dragon Walker
DharmaHelper: No vote
DisgruntledPorcupine: No vote
Dom: Stridor
Elohcin: Attak Trak
Flyin' High: Wind Raider
He-Man: Battle Ram
Ishar Morrad Chuain: No vote
JJLehto: No vote
Kate: Stridor
KeaponLaffin05: No vote
LittleTiger: Stridor
MovingPictures07: Stridor
orsonkidd: No vote
reptaronice: No vote
reywa5: Stridor
Roxy: Stridor
Russtifinko: Wind Raider
Snow Dog: Attak Trak
Spacedaisy: Attak Trak
>SpaghettiEverywhere: Attak Trak
thellama73: Attak Trak
timmer: Wind Raider
Vompatti: Attak Trak

I didn't keep track of who posted, but I remembered about JJ because I know him from another forum.

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sorry for the triple post. I have to go to night class now, so I'll be around later perhaps, though I'll be spending time with Spacedaisy.

llama, I have been keeping a spreadsheet as well but missed the last round of votes. Would you be able to post them? I haven't kept a spreadsheet in a mafia game for a while, and found it might be wise to try it again.

Linkitis with llama: Oh, you're right! I do remember him posting now that you mention it. So we're missing 5 so far then?

Sure!

AceOfSpaces: Stridor
AllAlongTheBoardwalk: Wind Raider
AnnaDanielle: Battle Ram
birdwithteeth11: Stridor
blindfaeth: Stridor
BoomSlang: Wind Raider
Dfaraday: Dragon Walker
DharmaHelper: No vote
DisgruntledPorcupine: No vote
Dom: Stridor
Elohcin: Attak Trak
Flyin' High: Wind Raider
He-Man: Battle Ram
Ishar Morrad Chuain: No vote
JJLehto: No vote
Kate: Stridor
KeaponLaffin05: No vote
LittleTiger: Stridor
MovingPictures07: Stridor
orsonkidd: No vote
reptaronice: No vote
reywa5: Stridor
Roxy: Stridor
Russtifinko: Wind Raider
Snow Dog: Attak Trak
Spacedaisy: Attak Trak
>SpaghettiEverywhere: Attak Trak
thellama73: Attak Trak
timmer: Wind Raider
Vompatti: Attak Trak

I didn't keep track of who posted, but I remembered about JJ because I know him from another forum.

Another awesome post, Epignosis I really feel like there is a story behind what we're doing. Really enjoying this one.

Thanks for posting this llama! So, I didn't want to say anything during the time the poll was up, but now I can speak my mind. I really think a good bit of the baddies will be among the non-stridor votes, and here's why.

Under the assumption that you are going to get the same info for picking Stridor as anyone else who picked it, I think a baddie team with BTSC would have one person pick Stridor to have an opportunity to get the info. Since they only need to get the info once in theory, the others would probably try to pick something that would win the race and get there first. So that is my thought process. What do others think? Obviously, the same applies to civvies, and there are several civvie BTSC teams. But I am definitely keeping this list handy, because I think a lot of the baddies will be among the non-stridor votes.

I think seeing players take Day 1 by the horns and get things rolling is refreshing, actually. Usually we're all "derp-a-derp" until we all panic and randomize.

That said, the simple act of not voting is a weird thing to base suspicion on, unless people are thinking a baddie team may have thought there was something bad waiting for the winner?

I'm more inclined to think that, for starters, each baddie team likely had exactly one player on the Stridor team, to collect the special info for his or her team. No baddie team would pass that up, imo.

@BF, great minds think alike!

I am thinking that lynching someone who "walked" is best, but let's give them a chance to explain why they didn't vote first.

timmer wrote: That said, the simple act of not voting is a weird thing to base suspicion on, unless people are thinking a baddie team may have thought there was something bad waiting for the winner?

To clarify, I wasn't saying that the non-voters are necessarily likely to be baddies. I just think they should be punished for not participating. If we vote off everyone but the non-voters, the game would grind to a standstill!

In strict math terms, if I assume 1 member of each baddie team is in the Stridor group, that's probably 2 baddies out of 9 Stridor voters.

in the game as a whole there are 12 baddies out of 30 players. Thus, trying to find a baddie among the Stridor voters is actually less likely to yield a baddie than looking amongst the non-Stridor players.

timmer wrote:I think seeing players take Day 1 by the horns and get things rolling is refreshing, actually. Usually we're all "derp-a-derp" until we all panic and randomize.

That said, the simple act of not voting is a weird thing to base suspicion on, unless people are thinking a baddie team may have thought there was something bad waiting for the winner?

I'm more inclined to think that, for starters, each baddie team likely had exactly one player on the Stridor team, to collect the special info for his or her team. No baddie team would pass that up, imo.

@BF, great minds think alike!

Very cleverly reasoned. I tend to agree.

thellama73 wrote:
To clarify, I wasn't saying that the non-voters are necessarily likely to be baddies. I just think they should be punished for not participating. If we vote off everyone but the non-voters, the game would grind to a standstill!

Very true.

Coolio on getting their first! Beats winning the bike in GTA mafia but getting to the destination slower than all the walkers. (Those who played GTA will know what I'm talking about).

Thanks for posting the voting info! That will be most helpful when I create my spreadsheet!

Nice post! I'm glad to see the game has started off as interesting as it did.

Not sure how I feel about non-posters/non-voters at this point. I tend to prefer giving people a little bit of time to know the game has started and catch up. And really, the only time I find it odd is if someone says they are going to post/vote later and don't with no explanation. Plus non-voters and non-posters early on tend to be civvies mostly, since the baddies will do more to alert their teammates that the game has started and get them to participate.

Yeah, I'm thinking both baddie teams has 1 person pick the Stridor role so they could get the info. However, 2 out of 9 people are not very good odds. I say it's something we should keep in the back of our minds for now. If one of those 9 people starts behaving in a manner that we find odd, then it might be good to go back and look at that info.

Also glad to see that so many people are already leading the charge in discussing and throwing out ideas so early on Day 1! It's much more refreshing than seeing a bunch of confused people who end up randomizing at the end of it.

I should be here for most of the evening, so I will keep in touch.

Great post rob! i'm going to draw a picture of it soon :P

anyways i dont much like voting for people who didn't vote, I think quite a few of them probably didnt know the game started (such as my friend reptaronice, I had to inform him that the game had started today at school and that was already past the vote time)

as for the thoughts on people who voted for stridor, I think theres a reasonable chance that each baddie team would have put one player on a stridor, but theres also two independent people, right? possibilities of them wanting to get some extra info for themselves seems pretty good too

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:Great post rob! i'm going to draw a picture of it soon :P

anyways i dont much like voting for people who didn't vote, I think quite a few of them probably didnt know the game started (such as my friend reptaronice, I had to inform him that the game had started today at school and that was already past the vote time)

as for the thoughts on people who voted for stridor, I think theres a reasonable chance that each baddie team would have put one player on a stridor, but theres also two independent people, right? possibilities of them wanting to get some extra info for themselves seems pretty good too

that's true, assume the indies went for Stridor and its 4 out of 9. Bottom line, I'm now moving on from the maths since no matter how I look at the best odds are still less than 50%.

I will vote for who is suspicious, lol.

I was actually inferring the opposite BWT, to look in the non-stridor voters, but OK

blindfaeth wrote:I was actually inferring the opposite BWT, to look in the non-stridor voters, but OK

I was just giving my two cents on the matter. Why do I get an for that?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:I was actually inferring the opposite BWT, to look in the non-stridor voters, but OK

I was just giving my two cents on the matter. Why do I get an for that?

Oooooooooooh nevermind. I re-read what you had said and I must have been confused. So what you're saying is that since the baddie teams probably only had 1 person pick the Stridor, then that means we should pay more attention to the non-baddie voters? Help me out here if I'm reading what you said wrong. I've been up since 6:30 this morning and haven't had a nap so I might be a bit out of it lol.

Linki: LOL another terrific drawing SE!

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:

Magnificent!

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:Fantastic first post Rob! And good work with the math, guys. I think I'm going to go with the Attak Trak, it seems like it would move the most without having 0 as an option. Attak Trak it is!

Also, for those of you who i've played mafia with: Would you like me to do drawings of the host posts for this game?

I'm not even playing and I vote YES! Haha!

meh, no need to reiterate myself, Timmer and I both made the same point so I think it's clear. If you're sleepy maybe see if it makes sense in the morning.

I can tell already that this game is going to be fantastic! The host posts are very well written and very entertaining! The latest one is no exception. Great job, Epignosis! You are a natural, my friend.

I, too, like all the Day 1 talk so far. It's so much better than the normal, "OMG, OMG, OMG, OMG, votes: random".

My thoughts on the day 0 poll voting...I don't think I like the idea of clearing anyone yet. What I mean is that we should continue to have open eyes for everyone. The thought that the baddie teams would spread their votes out among all the choices is an interesting one, but I personally will be looking at everyone including the Stridor voters.

It's possible that all the baddies coordinated to choose Stridor, with the intention of planting the theory that they would be unlikely to choose Stridor, if you see what I mean. That would be devilishly clever.

it's also possible that the baddies are trying to dissuade us from thinking my theory is a good idea, which is what I think is happening

blindfaeth wrote:it's also possible that the baddies are trying to dissuade us from thinking my theory is a good idea, which is what I think is happening

Or that's what they want us to think!

blindfaeth wrote:it's also possible that the baddies are trying to dissuade us from thinking my theory is a good idea, which is what I think is happening

Just so I'm understanding you correctly, are you saying that we should be looking at all non Stridor voters today and giving the Stridor voters a pass because the more you post the more it sounds like this is the case???

That's exactly what I'm saying TBH o.o

blindfaeth wrote:That's exactly what I'm saying TBH o.o

Can you detail why? Again perhaps?

Well, I do agree with you that baddies will probably be found in the non stridor voters, but I just don't agree with the "don't look at the Stridor voters"

I see where BF is coming from, but I don't really agree. I don't think anyone should get a pass just because they voted for Stridor, but I also don't think we should vote anyone if the only reason is "they didn't vote Stridor".

What are "baddies"?

In all honesty, I do think the original analysis that the baddies are likely concentrated among the non-Stridor votes is correct. I was just throwing out alternative scenarios to stir the pot a bit.

This is likely a chaotic discussion that the baddies are using against us.

Dom wrote:This is likely a chaotic discussion that the baddies are using against us.

I agree with this we seem in the midst of chaos

Thanks for posting the voting, llama!

He-Man wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
I find it weird that it would be suggested to lynch one of them at the very start of the day.

I dont find it weird. I think the sooner we get talking and nit picking the sooner we get closer to lynching baddies. I find it weird your against it tbb.

I do find it weird because the logic doesn't make sense. We don't know why anyone would have missed the vote, especially since we were only given 24 hours and we have many new players this game. I'm not trying to squash discussion, I am actually encouraging it and giving my two cents on what llama's thoughts were at the time. You and Rox eyeing me for that strikes me as opportunistic.

timmer wrote:I think seeing players take Day 1 by the horns and get things rolling is refreshing, actually. Usually we're all "derp-a-derp" until we all panic and randomize.

That said, the simple act of not voting is a weird thing to base suspicion on, unless people are thinking a baddie team may have thought there was something bad waiting for the winner?

I'm more inclined to think that, for starters, each baddie team likely had exactly one player on the Stridor team, to collect the special info for his or her team. No baddie team would pass that up, imo.

@BF, great minds think alike!

The Stridor/non-Stridor theory is interesting. I do find it logical. I think a baddie team would likely do that, since why have everyone vote Stridor? Wouldn't make any sense.

reywaS wrote:I can tell already that this game is going to be fantastic! The host posts are very well written and very entertaining! The latest one is no exception. Great job, Epignosis! You are a natural, my friend.

I, too, like all the Day 1 talk so far. It's so much better than the normal, "OMG, OMG, OMG, OMG, votes: random".

My thoughts on the day 0 poll voting...I don't think I like the idea of clearing anyone yet. What I mean is that we should continue to have open eyes for everyone. The thought that the baddie teams would spread their votes out among all the choices is an interesting one, but I personally will be looking at everyone including the Stridor voters.

However, I do agree with reywaS here. I think there will be enough discussion if the day so far is any indication by that time to have formed at least one worthwhile suspicion. Whether that person is Stridor or non-Stridor may not be relevant.

Snow Dog wrote:What are "baddies"?

Snow Dog, these are the roles in the Snake Mountain and The Horde section of the role listing. The green and pink ones are civvies and the yellow ones are independent, I believe.

Wow. I really need to go reread the host posts, I'm totally confused. Sorry I haven't been able to keep up much over the long weekend. I should be able to get up to speed around lunch time!

Also, forgot to say, awesome picture, SE! Excited to have your picture story accompaniments again, and very well-done as usual.

He-Man wrote:

Dom wrote:This is likely a chaotic discussion that the baddies are using against us.

I agree with this we seem in the midst of chaos

Can either of you elaborate on this? I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.

I agree that non-Stridor voters do look slightly more suspicious at this point, but I'll also be keeping an eye on Stridor riders.

Picking someone to lynch based solely on vehicle choice seems a bit presumptuous. Even if the theory that one player from each baddie team (and the indies) chose the Stridor, that leaves us with 10 baddies and an indie among 21 non-Stridor voters. That's still almost 50% odds on hanging a civvie, so I personally hope to get something more to go on by the voting deadline.

It's looking more and more like the Stridor was the best vehicle choice, especially since many seem inclined to choose among those who took other transportation methods.

Russtifinko wrote:I agree that non-Stridor voters do look slightly more suspicious at this point, but I'll also be keeping an eye on Stridor riders.

Picking someone to lynch based solely on vehicle choice seems a bit presumptuous. Even if the theory that one player from each baddie team (and the indies) chose the Stridor, that leaves us with 10 baddies and an indie among 21 non-Stridor voters. That's still almost 50% odds on hanging a civvie, so I personally hope to get something more to go on by the voting deadline.

It's looking more and more like the Stridor was the best vehicle choice, especially since many seem inclined to choose among those who took other transportation methods.

I think it's not wise to lynch based on that alone either, I agree. I'm interested, do you have any pings as to anyone who might be worth an or nothing yet?

What does the represent. sorry for all the dumb questions.

Snow Dog wrote:What does the represent. sorry for all the dumb questions.

It's an eye, signifying giving someone a close look to determine where their loyalties lie.

It;s an eye...lol....yeah that bit I got.

thellama73 wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:it's also possible that the baddies are trying to dissuade us from thinking my theory is a good idea, which is what I think is happening

Or that's what they want us to think!

WIFOM much? Both the info and the prize were tantalizing alternatives, I just chose to roll the bones on the big money. Which didn't work out for me, but eh.

Alright, we still have over 24 hours left, but whom haven't we heard from still? Reptar, DP, Ishar, KL05? Looking at who has posted, there are still quite a lot of names I want to hear more from as well. Any thoughts, Aces, AATB, Anna, DH, Snow Dog, SD, Vomps, etc.? Doesn't even have to be a suspicion, but at least something regarding what has happened so far?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, we still have over 24 hours left, but whom haven't we heard from still? Reptar, DP, Ishar, KL05? Looking at who has posted, there are still quite a lot of names I want to hear more from as well. Any thoughts, Aces, AATB, Anna, DH, Snow Dog, SD, Vomps, etc.? Doesn't even have to be a suspicion, but at least something regarding what has happened so far?

Well I'm new to this. This is my first game. I hadn't even heard of this mafia thing until a few days ago. Interesting to read peoples theories so far but got nothing to add at the moment.