The Syndicate

It seems the first mention of 'black hole' Pokemon came after that post of mine. Perhaps I just screwed it up from the beginning with Faraday asking about Mew & Mewtwo getting evo votes. Neither one of them are baddies though, so that was a piss poor reading/assumption on my part. I've been pretty bad about keeping roles straight in my head lately, but this is a new low, as that post was the very first post from a player in the game.

That and all these Pokemon names are nothing but gibberish to me anyway, as someone who grew up preferring to shoot stormtroopers, crash racecars, and win Stanley Cups in video games than try to catch Japanamation monsters with big eyes. Besides, Pokemon was on Gameboy and my parents were poor. Tiger handheld electronic games and playing outside ftw!

My brain still hurts and you nubs all lynched Eloh and I know looking at some of those voters on her some of you knew better.

La, don't die tonight, yea?

boo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:00 am My brain still hurts and you nubs all lynched Eloh and I know looking at some of those voters on her some of you knew better.

La, don't die tonight, yea?

It was not my finest hour, despite digging up Sprityo's lists to dissect. I'm going to revisit those at lunch.

I'm putting these here so no one has to go back looking too far to find these:

G-Man's Suss List, Which Was Called Dumb By Sprityo:

Fredwood
Neverwhere
Nutella
Sprityo
Tink

Sprityo's Preferred Lynch List:

Boo
Quin/Dom
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Eloh
G-Man

People Sprityo Omitted From His List:

DFaraday
Dragon D. Luffy
Long Con
MacDougall

Also, here is an updated posting list for all remaining players plus Sprityo:

SPRITYO (baddie)

boo
DFaraday
Dragon D. Luffy
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Fredwood
G-Man
MacDougall
Neverwhere
nutella
Quin/Dom
Tink

It's been a quiet game but we've got to start looking for connections to Sprityo. Two of us are his teammates. Whom did he address directly? Whom did he talk about in general? Whom did he say absolutely nothing to or about? Flip it around- who among us addressed him directly, in general, or not at all? I'm going to keep digging.

Between maintaining the lists as the game moves along and ISO'ing for connections, we can win this game.

G-Man, I have explained why I suspect DFaraday, and it is for sprityo iso reasons -- you keep saying we need to do that, and I already have. DF is probably my strongest suspicion at the moment. I do apologize for sticking your name on that list of three without explanation, but I don't necessarily retract it. I think your behavior in the Eloh lynch could be possible baddie behavior, but really only if we assume Fred is bad, and if I'm right about DF then you and Fred can't both be bad. So you're still on my list to watch, but I take back the "in no particular order" part because after some thinking I guess I wouldn't really go after you unless Fred is proved mafia, and at this point I am more confident that DF is than that Fred is. So you're right, I was hasty and should have explained more (especially since I'm afraid I might not survive the night).

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:00 pm Any way we could get a deadchat somewhere? That'd be cool.

Only if I'm the moderator.

In all actuality, you may want to directly PM Epi/Simon about this as I think they are still mobile bound.

I just skimmed through Sprit's posts. Here are what stood out as highlight interactions to me, in note form.

On day 0 only directly interacted with civs (Jack and Speed). Dom/Wilgy/Mac are on his points list along with confirmed civs. Minor conflict w/ Nutella, but ends up feeling mildly civ about her. Accuses Boo of twisting words and looking shady. Asks Wilgy why I'm on the chopping block (which I also asked Wilgy). Votes Boo. Says he feels good about DDL. Jokes around a few times with Wilgy and Fred. Keeps Mac and Wilgy on points list, says Fred looks better than G-Man. Has a bad feeling about DrWilgy, boo, Dom/Dyslexicon/Eloh, and G-Man.

Overall Boo looks pretty good, what with Sprit voicing suspicion of him, then following through and voting him. He interacts with Wilgy a few times, but never really has much of a read on him, and they do joke around a bit, which Sprit also does with Fred. I'm not sure whether they all have history, but the familiarity could suggest partnership. He keeps saying he had a bad feeling about G-Man, but never really elaborated on that.

He only mentioned Tink once, and that was when voting her in that lynch. Not much either way there, but doesn't discount the possibility of that lynch being bad/bad. He also didn't mention Dys at all, aside from lumping her in with a bunch of people he's vaguely suspicious of.

Overall, I would say Sprit's posts make Boo look civ, and if I had to guess his teammates, I'd say some combination of Wilgy, Fred, Mac, Dys or Tink. Fred's vote made him look better though, so I'm probably feeling the best about him.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:20 pm 1. Fredwood, maybe Neverwhere
2. DrWilgy maybe? Tougher list
3. Absolutely DF. I've been thinking DF is likely bad since I skimmed sprit's iso earlier today and saw him question a suspicion of DF (from DDL I believe?) and thought that could be a soft teammate defense/deflection. Then DF's vote for Eloh today, so if Fred turns out to be bad that seals DF for me.

@Eloh: I do, lol, and I think you're both civ and people who don't just don't know you.

Why is my Eloh vote suspicious? I didn't see any reason to vote Fred at the time (I'm still not that keen on voting him).

And your basis for thinking me bad is that he questioned why Wilgy said I was on the chopping block (when I wasn't)? There's really nothing for me to defend against there.

@everyone, where the hell is Dizzy?

@Nutella, can you elaborate on your suspicion of DF? I see that it's through the interactions between him and Sprit, but I don't follow it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:00 pm Any way we could get a deadchat somewhere? That'd be cool.

Link me if you get one.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:13 pm @Nutella, can you elaborate on your suspicion of DF? I see that it's through the interactions between him and Sprit, but I don't follow it.

I've explained most of it as best as I can. Wilgy (I guess it was Wilgy, I keep mixing up his posts and DDL's) said a few days ago that he thought DF should be "on the chopping block" and IMO sprit's questioning of why sounded like how a teammate might respond to an unexplained suspicion. It's got some WIFOM I guess, or to others it might seem too close to a too-eager defense since DF wasn't really facing a dangerous amount of suspicion, but I already had a weird feeling from DF anyway (I think his meta/style is pinging me bc he's usually quieter as a civ) so there might be some bias to my assessment but he is the one that stuck out to me most in Sprit's ISO. Also, just the fact that sprit only mentions DF that one time, and he's otherwise omitted from all of his lists (he was in G-Man's 3rd category). It's hard to guess where Sprit would have placed his teammates in either his trust/evolution lists or suspicion lists, but I wouldn't be surprised if he left at least one teammate out of both.

And again, I found DF's vote yesterday pingy. Again that probably depends more on Fred's alignment, but I suspect him independently of that for the most part.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:00 pm Any way we could get a deadchat somewhere? That'd be cool.

I don't allow dead chat for a number of reasons. The primary reason (for me) is that dead mafia can still hang out in BTSC. Also, I am not always able to police who goes into what chat room when and under what name. Finally, the less anybody knows...the better.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:18 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:13 pm @Nutella, can you elaborate on your suspicion of DF? I see that it's through the interactions between him and Sprit, but I don't follow it.

(I think his meta/style is pinging me bc he's usually quieter as a civ)

You literally say this about me every single game we're in together anymore. At some point, if every game is the exception to the rule, it's not an exception, it's the rule. I know I'm only focusing on that one line, I'm just really tired of hearing that.

nutella is unable to battle!

She was Vaporeon.



It is now Day 5. You have 24 hours.

Of course.

Later I'm going to look over the five I listed as possible Sprit teammates.

So Boo, you want to actually accuse me of something?

No, I want to get straight to the part where we lynch you.

boo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:59 pm No, I want to get straight to the part where we lynch you.

That's a lame way to play Mafia.

Hi everyone I am on vacation in rural Maine and forgot this game existed! Sorry! What up? Someone catch me up?

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:13 pm Hi everyone I am on vacation in rural Maine and forgot this game existed! Sorry! What up? Someone catch me up?

You, um, got replaced.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:13 pm Hi everyone I am on vacation in rural Maine and forgot this game existed! Sorry! What up? Someone catch me up?

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:13 pm Hi everyone I am on vacation in rural Maine and forgot this game existed! Sorry! What up? Someone catch me up?

I would recommend you start posting in Non-Player Blue, because you got replaced, bub.

It's too late at night for me to dig into this. I'll be back in the morning. Hopefully I can hop on the in-laws' wifi tomorrow at the picnic. I'd like to be around for as much discussion as possible.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:29 pm Even better lol bie

I'm Dom2.0.

Fredwood is still bad obviously. He scum slipped.

Damn Epignosis your signature is annoying on mobile buddy.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:53 am Fredwood is still bad obviously. He scum slipped.

And you still flinched like a red headed stepchild.

Nice revisionist history though.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:57 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:53 am Fredwood is still bad obviously. He scum slipped.

And you still flinched like a red headed stepchild.

Nice revisionist history though.

What dost thou mean Mr. WOOD?

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:05 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:02 pm Changed my vote, sinc eI don't feel like being dead just yet.

I voted for you Day 0, timmer, so I'd rather not vote for you now just to tie it up. I'd hate for you to be a civvie and discover that I wasted a vote on someone who died early.

This sounds very silly to me. From my perspective, in a game where powers are essentially given by 'election', worrying about being counterproductive doesn't make sense when you should be worrying about whether you made a mistake in helping someone evolve.

I give general townie points to the people who were on the TSP lynch, even though he was set to be modkilled (though I might reevaluate depending on the timeline). Mafia could have taken out two townies on Day 1. Mafia being on that wagon doesn't make much sense to me at face value.

boo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:52 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:30 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:02 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:14 pm I like starting at "everyone is innocent until proven guilty"as opposed to the "everyone is guilty until proven innocent" that many others view

In general, I start with the former as well. It's just that in this case, with Boo having asked about repeat targeting for evo votes, I think it is more likely that he is bad and was asking because he wants to evolve a teammate. It makes less sense for a civilian to want to repeat target evo votes, at least at the beginning of the game when we're not sure who's good -- it's better to spread them around among the people we think we trust.

Here's the post boo is taking all of these assumptions from. "Spreading votes around among the people we think we trust" is exactly what I am doing for the next few nights. I am not piling votes on one player, because for one thing -- bear with me here as this might be hard for you to understand -- it's not allowed. If it were allowed, I suspect only baddies would do it; I don't trust anyone enough at this point to give them evo points two nights in a row. And as I have said multiple times, I don't know whether LC and Speed intended for the pact to last longer, but I personally have not committed to it for more than two nights, so if I end up targeting one of them a second time after that it would be because I strongly trusted them.

Votes are being spread around, but you're probably going to die because votes aren't being spread around.

Wut?

This post does not make me happy. It turns the obvious (nutella's involvement in the evolution vote scheme making her a prominent night kill target) into an attempt to make nutella look contradictory, which seems to be boo's general thoughts about nutella's Day 1.

boo, what's your read on nutella now?

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:59 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:33 pm Anyway, I'm probably going to die anyway since it's public knowledge that I'm getting at least two evo votes

Sounds like a pity party, sorry Nutella.

They way you're going about dying is misleading in its own light. I mean you're saying that you're FOR SURE, 100% getting two evo points. If that's not a grab for attention, then I don't know what is. You're placing yourself on the very precarious town pedestal where if you don't die you become supa-town or highly suspicious mafia. But like you can't back your claims up with anything until you actually evolve. We don't have a way to confirm how many evo points you actually got. Or at least I assume?

What I'm getting at is stop doing that, and focus on solving the game instead of where YOU sit in it.

In reference to your suspicions however

boo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:00 pm [quote=nutella post_id=363207 time=<a href="tel:1498585942">1498585942</a> user_id=262]
As I see it, (since I didn't vote for one of them on night 0) I am voting for three different people on the first three nights of the game, which is as much "spreading" as is possible up to that point. After night 2, I will re-evaluate whether I want to stay in the pact or not, and I may well vote for someone else anyway. Get off my case, I'm just playing the game.

Oh, so you're giving your word to be part of a long term plan, which by your own logic is something baddies would be looking to do, and you're already planning ahead to when you'll break it. Cool.

What boo has said here is Definitely twisting of words and looks awful. If not that then it's jumping to conclusions/assuming things in a negative light. Nutella put forth a decent plan to assign her votes and you just said nope "this is what you're actually going to do, even though I can't tell what you're thinking." It's a bad strategy and I suggest you stop arguing it and accept that you did something bad before you get yourself lynched. If you have a problem with being lynched that is
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sprityo condemns boo for his actions, but stops short of actually indicating suspicion. I did bold an exception, but that reads more of a 'this looks bad in a vacuum' type of analysis. I am intrigued by sprityo's choice of words. To call boo's opinions a 'strategy' gives me reason to think that boo's mindset is fabricated.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:59 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:33 pm Anyway, I'm probably going to die anyway since it's public knowledge that I'm getting at least two evo votes

Sounds like a pity party, sorry Nutella.

They way you're going about dying is misleading in its own light. I mean you're saying that you're FOR SURE, 100% getting two evo points. If that's not a grab for attention, then I don't know what is. You're placing yourself on the very precarious town pedestal where if you don't die you become supa-town or highly suspicious mafia. But like you can't back your claims up with anything until you actually evolve. We don't have a way to confirm how many evo points you actually got. Or at least I assume?

What I'm getting at is stop doing that, and focus on solving the game instead of where YOU sit in it.

In reference to your suspicions however

boo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:00 pm [quote=nutella post_id=363207 time=<a href="tel:1498585942">1498585942</a> user_id=262]
As I see it, (since I didn't vote for one of them on night 0) I am voting for three different people on the first three nights of the game, which is as much "spreading" as is possible up to that point. After night 2, I will re-evaluate whether I want to stay in the pact or not, and I may well vote for someone else anyway. Get off my case, I'm just playing the game.

Oh, so you're giving your word to be part of a long term plan, which by your own logic is something baddies would be looking to do, and you're already planning ahead to when you'll break it. Cool.

What boo has said here is Definitely twisting of words and looks awful. If not that then it's jumping to conclusions/assuming things in a negative light. Nutella put forth a decent plan to assign her votes and you just said nope "this is what you're actually going to do, even though I can't tell what you're thinking." It's a bad strategy and I suggest you stop arguing it and accept that you did something bad before you get yourself lynched. If you have a problem with being lynched that is

sprityo condemns boo for his actions, but stops short of actually indicating suspicion. I did bold an exception, but that reads more of a 'this looks bad in a vacuum' type of analysis and says nothing about his overall opinion on boo. I am intrigued by sprityo's choice of words. To call boo's opinions a 'strategy' gives me reason to think that boo's mindset is fabricated.




a poor attempt at ebwop

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:01 pm The conclusion is this though, Nutella is better looking than boob by a good amount, but Nutella based solely off of her interactions with boo is a light town AT BEST

Here's a more ?direct? opinion on boo. nutella looks a good amount better than boo, but nutella is only a light town at best. I'm inferring sprityo was reading boo as at least light scum at this point.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:27 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:01 pm The conclusion is this though, Nutella is better looking than boo by a good amount, but Nutella based solely off of her interactions with boo is a light town AT BEST

i felt the need to further explain this, im not saying boo is NOT town, but in a comparison situation.

but i think ive covered the hot topic issues and players of yesterday and will be retiring to a nice evening of video games

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:12 am I have no idea what is going on but spirityo gets my vote because of this post

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:32 pm Are y'all enjoying your day zero shenanigans? It's noon and I just woke up, so I can assure I won't be reading anything before this

Also hi jack. We'll see how much I can trust you.

lol

I'm on page 15 of my catchup and my leg hurts. Goodnight.

I wonder if the baddies are trying to steer us on this lynch.

G-Man's Suss List, Which Was Called Dumb By Sprityo:

Fredwood
Neverwhere
Nutella
Sprityo
Tink

Sprityo's Preferred Lynch List:

Boo
Quin/Dom
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Eloh
G-Man

People Sprityo Omitted From His List:

DFaraday
Dragon D. Luffy
Long Con
MacDougall

Of my list called dumb by Sprityo, only three are left. Do we take Eloh's defense of Tink to mean she had information on her? Eloh's role started out as 'psychic.' Could that mean info-gathering/cop-esque? If we assume yes, that leaves just Fredwood and Neverwhere to consider from that group. I will have to ISO Neverwhere again to see what might be there. Fredwood left me feeling somewhat better about him after we went back and forth the other day. I could still see him as the indy though, as his assertiveness came across as equal parts 'desire to help' and 'desire to survive.'

We know that there is at least one active baddie left.

Dyslexicon hasn't logged into the site since a week ago.

Mac recently showed up, which would throw off the hunt for an inactive.

Quin/Dom not only sounds like a kinky sex fetish but also throws us off the inactive hunt.

Has anyone else rationalized civ status for other players? If so, let's hear it because we can whittle those lists down to fewer options for today and also start thinking past today.

ISO'ing Neverwhere didn't get me very far. She's been away for a while and has some RL hang-ups. I could see that going either way, frankly, so she's still a null read.

Yeah, I'm really sorry guys, I was super excited to sign up for this game and then life got super busy the minute it started. Feeding the little girl and ill drink a cup of coffee to stay awake tonight.

I am 100% town. I think one of my struggles this game is a lot of my scum reads are turning out to be town. Genuinely thought Eloh could flip town. I've only ever really played as mafia. My first game on another site I was mafia, in OMERTA I was mafia. The last game i played here 2 years ago was my first town game but I ended up ending my relationship in the middle of the game and I had to bow out because of that. I think I'm trying to find my feet as civ. It's definitely much harder. Saying all of this could totally draw attention to me, but whatever, its the truth and im going to try harder.

I'd written up some notes on what I thought of players thus far and I'm going to try and go back to revise though.

If it's between Fredwood and me, I'm really not sure. I'm definitely civ and I'm not sure I have a great read on Fred. I genuinely don't know. I'd like to look more at the remaining users that weren't on any of Eloh's lists.

Yeah, I'm really sorry guys, I was super excited to sign up for this game and then life got super busy the minute it started. Feeding the little girl and ill drink a cup of coffee to stay awake tonight.

I am 100% town. I think one of my struggles this game is a lot of my scum reads are turning out to be town. Genuinely thought Eloh could flip town. I've only ever really played as mafia. My first game on another site I was mafia, in OMERTA I was mafia. The last game i played here 2 years ago was my first town game but I ended up ending my relationship in the middle of the game and I had to bow out because of that. I think I'm trying to find my feet as civ. It's definitely much harder. Saying all of this could totally draw attention to me, but whatever, its the truth and im going to try harder.

I'd written up some notes on what I thought of players thus far and I'm going to try and go back to revise though.

If it's between Fredwood and me, I'm really not sure. I'm definitely civ and I'm not sure I have a great read on Fred. I genuinely don't know. I'd like to look more at the remaining users that weren't on any of Eloh's lists.

So, did quick math. With 2 mafia remaining we can have only 4 more mislynches until game over.

Im kinda inclined to lynch dizzy this phase. Out of all the low posters, Dizzy's mechanic talk into securing an early game commonly excepted civ read into gone just doesn't sit right. Reviewing Sprityo, I barely saw any interactions nor did Sprityo ever really advocate mass murder of low posters.

Who the eff is dizzy?

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:52 pm Who the eff is dizzy?

It's a nickname some have been using for Dyslexicon. I'm going to look into a few other people before the deadline.