The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:56 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:52 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:50 am I like nutella going after this Ramsey thing. But then, scum could do that too.
I dislike her magic bagging at EOD1, and her D1 callouts.

Light scumread there still.

speed what is "magic bagging"?

Is that not a term here? Oohh! It's education time!

Magic Bagging:

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:13 pm Kanyway I'm busy at work and really can't keep up with the thread through EOD so don't lynch me k I have a good and helpful town role sorry I don't have time to hunt more rn

Verb: The act of taking your supposed town role and using it as leverage without saying what it is.
"You don't want to kill me, I've got something really cool and awesome inside this magic bag. I can't show you what it is, but you wouldn't want to waste it!"

Generally seen as a scumtell, at least in closed setups. In open setups it might be more necessary, but is still a substitute for actual hunting and towny behavior, and is more focused on moving the lynch anywhere (like to Dom, RIP) instead of somewhere specific.

Oh wow thanks speed I see people do that all the time. I had no idea it was regarded as a scum tel.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:02 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:56 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:52 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:50 am I like nutella going after this Ramsey thing. But then, scum could do that too.
I dislike her magic bagging at EOD1, and her D1 callouts.

Light scumread there still.

speed what is "magic bagging"?

Is that not a term here? Oohh! It's education time!

Magic Bagging:

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:13 pm Kanyway I'm busy at work and really can't keep up with the thread through EOD so don't lynch me k I have a good and helpful town role sorry I don't have time to hunt more rn

Verb: The act of taking your supposed town role and using it as leverage without saying what it is.
"You don't want to kill me, I've got something really cool and awesome inside this magic bag. I can't show you what it is, but you wouldn't want to waste it!"

Generally seen as a scumtell, at least in closed setups. In open setups it might be more necessary, but is still a substitute for actual hunting and towny behavior, and is more focused on moving the lynch anywhere (like to Dom, RIP) instead of somewhere specific.

Oh wow thanks speed I see people do that all the time. I had no idea it was regarded as a scum tel.

It is where I came from. Cultures are different.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:00 am

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:08 pm I agree with DDL on the lap votes and I'm gonna [VOTE: dom] aubergine for now since there's at least somewhat of a case on him. I would vote for speed if anyone wanted to join me but it seems unlikely.

If you've already answered this sorry, but why Speed? He's a town lean for me.

nutella, when reading through your ISO I also wondered why speed. I don't see a post where you answered sig's question but maybe I missed it. If so would you direct me to it and if not, would you answer please?

I don't have a good answer. It's just a funky hunch

It almost sounds sexual.

Pretty sure I've never claimed to "have a cool town role" as scum. I only say that if it's the truth. Take that or leave it

Vompatti wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:12 am It almost sounds sexual.

"magic bagging"? idk it sounds like a wizard with a bag of holding

do you have any more substantial thoughts vompy

Thanks for you answer about your speed vote [mention]nutella[/mention].

[mention]sig[/mention] I didn't see a reason for your INH vote, can you enlighten me? I saw it came after INH posted a song which I didn't listen to because it is 20 minutes long. Did your vote have something to do with the song he posted?

[mention]Fractal[/mention] I know people hate this question, ignore them:

How would you describe your mafia play?

I haven’t gotten magic bagged in like, 10 months.

[mention]Long Con[/mention] reading through your ISO I don't see any scum hunting yet. Is there a reason for that?

Long Con seems more excited about screaming at the music videos than posting real content, so I'm going to look at him for a second.

He shoots down sig's proposition on day 1, but come on, who didn't.
He missed the day one vote.
He ended up on DDL's list of screaming banshees, but I'm not convinced that means anything.
Put off replying to sig with what he thought about the day 1 lynch.
Continues to scream back at King Ramses
Asks speedchuck and Kylmii why they voted for him (on what I assume was the day one poll?).

Overall feel on Long Con: He seems lazy in this game, and not very helpful. I give him a read of probably scum.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:04 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:03 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:50 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:42 pm And rip sorry dom,

II'd like more content from nutella and lap now that dom flipped good. And i think ddl came out looking better.

Kyle I'm eyeing closely for refuesing to break the tie

hey sig quick question, which one of dom or nutella was the most clearly bad and so obviously the right choice that i should have voted for them over the other?

since I know it was between two civs I think this is a good look for Kyle? Could also be TMI though

this rationale irks my buttons but I don't know how to explain why it does

Because it's a post that pretends to give a read on you while attempting to town-ify nutellla?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:14 am

Vompatti wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:12 am It almost sounds sexual.

"magic bagging"? idk it sounds like a wizard with a bag of holding

do you have any more substantial thoughts vompy

Not right now. I should go and return some cans.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:27 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:04 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:03 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:50 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:42 pm And rip sorry dom,

II'd like more content from nutella and lap now that dom flipped good. And i think ddl came out looking better.

Kyle I'm eyeing closely for refuesing to break the tie

hey sig quick question, which one of dom or nutella was the most clearly bad and so obviously the right choice that i should have voted for them over the other?

since I know it was between two civs I think this is a good look for Kyle? Could also be TMI though

this rationale irks my buttons but I don't know how to explain why it does

Because it's a post that pretends to give a read on you while attempting to town-ify nutellla?

my comment was entirely from my perspective and not intended to force my perspective on anyone else

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:30 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:27 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:04 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:03 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:50 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:42 pm And rip sorry dom,

II'd like more content from nutella and lap now that dom flipped good. And i think ddl came out looking better.

Kyle I'm eyeing closely for refuesing to break the tie

hey sig quick question, which one of dom or nutella was the most clearly bad and so obviously the right choice that i should have voted for them over the other?

since I know it was between two civs I think this is a good look for Kyle? Could also be TMI though

this rationale irks my buttons but I don't know how to explain why it does

Because it's a post that pretends to give a read on you while attempting to town-ify nutellla?

my comment was entirely from my perspective and not intended to force my perspective on anyone else

Nope. I got my baddie filter on. Your rationalizations cannot reach me here.

Coliniscool - mid-town
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His observation of my (very-recent) meta is spot on.
I like the questions he's asking. They point to someone who doesn't know the state of the game.
His defense for the "coin-flip" vote felt genuine. Not someone who is overthinking his posts.
I want to see more conclusions to go with questions. Otherwise townread
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juliets - light town
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Responded decently to my early pressure question.
Driving discussion well in places that it is lacking.
Has done nothing that I think couldn't come from a scum mindset, but hasn't pinged me either.
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Kylemii - mid-town with a tinfoil hat
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He made me promise. Following a rivalry thought process that feels towny.
I like his response to being questioned on the lynch vote. Something I would do as scum, which means it's supah-town.
Despite all of this, I get this nagging feeling that his posts are too easy to fake as scum. Hrg.
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Nutella - light scumread
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I like nutella going after this Ramsey thing. But then, scum could do that too.
I dislike her magic bagging at EOD1, and her D1 callouts.
Responses to pressure are not awful.
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Turnip Head - Null
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All I can rely on with this guy is a meta read, and I haven't seen him as scum.
No hard content.
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Vompatti - *mmmmmmm*
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I can't get anything out of this. Vompatti is apparently fond of the ramses torture stuff.
Has contributed nothing.
Maybe we're supposed to wait till late game and then lynch Vomp at MYLO and lose.
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:27 am Long Con seems more excited about screaming at the music videos than posting real content, so I'm going to look at him for a second.

He shoots down sig's proposition on day 1, but come on, who didn't.
He missed the day one vote.
He ended up on DDL's list of screaming banshees, but I'm not convinced that means anything.
Put off replying to sig with what he thought about the day 1 lynch.
Continues to scream back at King Ramses
Asks speedchuck and Kylmii why they voted for him (on what I assume was the day one poll?).

Overall feel on Long Con: He seems lazy in this game, and not very helpful. I give him a read of probably scum.

Have you familiarized yourself with DDL’s ideas about the screaming?

I'm off to rehab, will continue reading ISO's this afternoon.

inh - slight town
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INH has provided some actual content and reads, even when joking. Refreshing.
But I don't accept the Vomp love.
Posted a song on night 2 in the middle of the Ramses madness. You all saw it. But he posted a song D1 as well.
I have zero reason to lynch INH.
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Lapluie - light scum
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Voted for Scotty (Which I accidentally wrote as skittle). Reason: Him going for an easy lynch.
The horror she feels at the deaths of Dom and DDL almost seems fake.
Early post said she "barely said anything that looked sus" when she actually hadn't said ANYTHING, sus or not. IDK. Fruedian error, attributing scum comments to herself?
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speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:46 am SAW people in this game, and whether they knew/listened to the dataplex guy that also did a ramsey song thing

rico (Very involved in SAW for most of last year)

nut (liked dataplex)
inh (never commented on Dataplex)
marmot (never commented on Dataplex)

speed (Aint me)
golden (not in here on N1)
colin (came into SAW much after dataplex)

It's probably not nutella, or she wouldn't be pursuing this.
Could be INH or Marmot.
It basically is not the last three.

I think it's just rico.

I like Autechre, but I don't know who Dataplex is.

Hi Golden.

That's all I have to say about that.

Speed, here are some GTH reads for you, no middle ground.

Town: Colin, Fractal, juliets, sig, speedchuck, lapluie, Lunalee, Blooper, Scotty, Turnip Head
Scum: INH, Long Con, nutella, Golden, Vompatti, Kylemii

[mention]Scotty[/mention] Why is nutella still alive?

And I forgot Marmot, so town.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:48 am Speed, here are some GTH reads for you, no middle ground.

Town: Colin, Fractal, juliets, sig, speedchuck, lapluie, Lunalee, Blooper, Scotty, Turnip Head
Scum: INH, Long Con, nutella, Golden, Vompatti, Kylemii

Nobody else gets to look at these. They are a present just for me.

Scotty - super-light scum
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"I missed a lot and no one is talking about me just farting around over here." - pls talk about Scotty. He wants us to.
"Farting around" is a good description of Scotty's play this game. His accusations are muddy, his conclusions are unsubstantiated and wrong.
His playstyle doesn't seem to have anything behind it. It's like it exists for the sake of existing. That doesn't mean 'scum', but it makes me leery.
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juliets wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:19 am sig I didn't see a reason for your INH vote, can you enlighten me? I saw it came after INH posted a song which I didn't listen to because it is 20 minutes long. Did your vote have something to do with the song he posted?

Yup I wanted to see his reaction, which was meh. Seemed lie a Ramses slip to me, but if we think Rico's doing it nvm.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:49 am And I forgot Marmot, so town.

Last time someone forgot to include me in their comprehensive player reads, they were a malevolent Indy.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:27 am Long Con seems more excited about screaming at the music videos than posting real content, so I'm going to look at him for a second.

He shoots down sig's proposition on day 1, but come on, who didn't.

rude.

History will remember my idea being correct at end game tyvm

Luna - light town
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Showcasing genuine effort, in her analytical approach to Sig's suggestion and her read of LC.
Went with Vompatti's random D1 lynch, which... IDK what to think about that.
Probably has the most well-reasoned read on me of anyone in the game.
I'm gritting my teeth over this read, because Luna always looks like Luna to me. But I don't want to lynch here right now, based on what I see.
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Sig's probably right about inh. Does that we mean we lynch him? Well if he's right, then inh isn't mafia so... NO!

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:53 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:19 am sig I didn't see a reason for your INH vote, can you enlighten me? I saw it came after INH posted a song which I didn't listen to because it is 20 minutes long. Did your vote have something to do with the song he posted?

Yup I wanted to see his reaction, which was meh. Seemed lie a Ramses slip to me, but if we think Rico's doing it nvm.

INH also posted a song D1.

But I see your point.

TBF I don't care about Ramsey at all right now. If he can soak up a mafia nightkill before we lynch him, I'm down with that. If we lynch him by accident, that's cool. Besides, we may not even have to kill Ramsey depending on how the game ends up. We have weird win-cons in OP.

I got linkid but I said more things so nyeh

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:55 am Luna - light town
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Showcasing genuine effort, in her analytical approach to Sig's suggestion and her read of LC.
Went with Vompatti's random D1 lynch, which... IDK what to think about that.
Probably has the most well-reasoned read on me of anyone in the game.
I'm gritting my teeth over this read, because Luna always looks like Luna to me. But I don't want to lynch here right now, based on what I see.
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Where's Luna's well-reasoned read of you?

I recall a time when you didn't trust her, and were leary of her for trusting you in spite of that.

Ramsey can’t be nightkilled I think.

Just return the damn slab already.

Neither can Ramses, for that matter.

Marmot - mid-town
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I'm a sucker for rating systems.
Marmot is moving and shaking in the thread. LIKE
Marmot is the reason I have townreads on a few people he's accused. I like him in the thread.
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:25 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:50 pm Somebody read through speedchuck’s posts and tell me he’s not supertowning as scum.

I don't think he's scum. The only time speed "town firmed" me was when he was mafia, and knew I was town. The fact that he doesn't trust me this game convinces me that he's town.

This is a thing I do as scum, and only as scum. I defend townies to the death for cred, and I start by calling out a few early on. It limits the lynch pool, but it makes me a towny-friend.

Obviously I can't do this as town because IDK who is who. That's what Luna's picking up on, especially considering how hard I rode my townread of her in... was it Greece?

My impulse is to automatically lynch people that I strongly read as town early on. I can’t remember how well that works out for me.

Fractal
Golden
LC
niju
sig

Players I have not read today. Get on that, guys. I need a break.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:48 am Speed, here are some GTH reads for you, no middle ground.

Town: Colin, Fractal, juliets, sig, speedchuck, lapluie, Lunalee, Blooper, Scotty, Turnip Head
Scum: INH, Long Con, nutella, Golden, Vompatti, Kylemii

Nice GTH.

Can you elaborate on the CHOSEN ONES?

I know it's GTH so you may not have reasons, but now is the time to find them.

I feel that re INH, but until I get a good mafia read I'll sit there.

Speed posting ISO reads and trying is freaking me out.

1. Looking gooood
2. Nothing to read hasn't done much yet.
3. No OT posts, Luna covered him pretty well, light scum
4. Very few posts, had a meh day 1 but I'm still light towning her
5. Sig amazing man top dog 10/10 if he isn't a civ then life as we know it is fake and the earth is flat.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:00 pm Ramsey can’t be nightkilled I think.

Yeah that's what speed means, as in the mafia will target them and the kill will fail .

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:01 pm Marmot - mid-town
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I'm a sucker for rating systems.
Marmot is moving and shaking in the thread. LIKE
Marmot is the reason I have townreads on a few people he's accused. I like him in the thread.
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Lol you're welcome?

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:05 pm Speed posting ISO reads and trying is freaking me out.

Go back and look at my early games on this site. I used to be a try-hard.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:05 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:48 am Speed, here are some GTH reads for you, no middle ground.

Town: Colin, Fractal, juliets, sig, speedchuck, lapluie, Lunalee, Blooper, Scotty, Turnip Head
Scum: INH, Long Con, nutella, Golden, Vompatti, Kylemii

Nice GTH.

Can you elaborate on the CHOSEN ONES?

I know it's GTH so you may not have reasons, but now is the time to find them.

Blooper/David Njoku has appeared genuine to me although there’s not a lot to go on and I have no experience playing with her.

Scotty doesn’t remind me particularly of his scum game in Easter, and while he’s capable of covering up, he gets a pass for now.

Turnip Head is unreadable but I like the guy and haven’t had a reason to see him as any different as before.

Golden’s introductory posts feel a little too nice for me.

I hesitated with Kyle because I was too eager to give him town cred in UP and it was not good. He feels like he’s just dipping his toes in.

I actually don't like TH play that much so far. He's being less off the wall, its almost like he's trying to copy that meta.