The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:58 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:58 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:55 pm Oh wait now Dunya's self voted as well.

Now I just feel bad.

TFW town lynches the (probably) only active baddie day one and it results in a town pity party. What is even going on with this game.

Everyone's taking it too seriously. If you're here to play mafia, expect to be suspected. The whole point of the game is to throw accusations around until you figure out which one is right. I don't like it that you and dunya are self-voting. It's like a protest against the game.

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH

Yeah, yeah. I hear your music.

I moved my vote to calm down. I'm not self voting. I hate speedchuck right now, sorry.

I will vote Mac cos I also don't like someone playing devils advocate. You're reminding me of how you handled Jay in ass class right now and I'm the dummy eating up the town cred.

If it's not Mac, I'll revisit dizzy/speed/Luna.

That's where my vote is staying today.

Have a good thanksgiving, American friends.

No one can be that sure of my towniness so it's reached a level of fakeness imo.

Tfw you're such a jerk that God strikes your internet down.

Phone post

Linki do you remember the last time we were town together dunya?

Vote mac

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:56 pm I didn't even vote Dunya today. I was just tinfoiling. JUST TINFOILING!

Excuse me, one last thing before I drop this for the entire day phase :

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:09 pm Linki do you remember the last time we were town together dunya?

UPick. In Macs bastard game. Kinda ironic. His role stipulated I backstab you to win.

Poor Dizzy. When he comes and reads this mess of a page I can imagine the disappointment and probably the conclusive dunya vote. It's ok guys I'm the scummiest person to ever play mafia. Gotta keep rolling scum if I wanna win easy.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:11 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:09 pm Linki do you remember the last time we were town together dunya?

UPick. In Macs bastard game. Kinda ironic. His role stipulated I backstab you to win.

Doesn't count. :P I didn't have to read you that game.

Last one was vocaroo. Before that was Street fighter II. Every other game we have been opposed.

Doesn't mean much I'm just talking

What the heck just happened?

*hands out cookies and hot chocolate with a shot of amaretto to everyone*

Friends now? All good?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:19 pm Doesn't mean much I'm just talking

It is kind of relevant. Street fighter was the first game I play on here and i died earlyish. Don't even remember playing with you. Vocaroo was in another format. We've never really had to both read each other this way.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:22 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:19 pm Doesn't mean much I'm just talking

It is kind of relevant. Street fighter was the first game I play on here and i died earlyish. Don't even remember playing with you. Vocaroo was in another format. We've never really had to both read each other this way.

'S what I was thinking.

But at the same time, I don't necessarily have an excuse.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:20 pm What the heck just happened?

*hands out cookies and hot chocolate with a shot of amaretto to everyone*

Friends now? All good?

I'll try to be good.

Sorry [mention]dunya[/mention], btw. I get really afire sometimes, and it comes off rude and such. Because it is rude.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:20 pm What the heck just happened?

*hands out cookies and hot chocolate with a shot of amaretto to everyone*

Friends now? All good?

Didn't I say good night an hour ago? I'm disappointed in myself lol

It's ok speed. I know you don't mean the awful things you said because you think I'm the best mafia player ever. I'll take that in your Sig when I flip town

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:28 pm It's ok speed. I know you don't mean the awful things you said because you think I'm the best mafia player ever. I'll take that in your Sig when I flip town

I mean, yeah. After you pegged our scumteam in MK, I pretty much decided that.

But...

It's not like I think you're a good mafia player... baka

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:56 pm I didn't even vote Dunya today. I was just tinfoiling. JUST TINFOILING!

In which speedchuck buddies an emotionally vulnerable dunya to try to re-establish battle lines against POE clamped MacDougall so that he can get his sorry ass through the day.

Linki: And succeeded.

That was funny because I wrote that message before all of that unfolded, walked away before I realised it linki'd, came back to my computer for find the prophecy fulfilled.

Good one guys.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:07 pm No one can be that sure of my towniness so it's reached a level of fakeness imo.

Why in every game we play do you never give me credit?

You

Are

Whack

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:46 pm Deleting posts isn't okay tbh.

Who did this?

Lynch speedchuck when I flip civ. Kthx.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:49 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:48 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:44 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:42 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:36 pm I am not trying to convince you to town read dunya. If you can't see a townie in her fast and loose game, interactions with quin and initial refusal to let me hunt then you aren't actually trying to, nor do I expect you to, given you are the last Mafia and need her to be bad to win.

If she is town and you are scum, then she has played the scummiest town game I have ever seen in my entire life. Period. Ever.

Alright I'm going to bed now.

Yknow and also stop tunnelling people if you are town. I was convinced dizzy was bad, he made counter arguments and I reconsidered. Tunnelling gets you no where and blaming the townie who you are tunnelling for playing a scummy game so it's all their fault isn't fair either.

It's not a tunnel. I've been trying to reconsider you the whole game.

Sorry if you feel like getting replaced. Just ride it out, Lynch mac, and win either way.

Then how would you like it if I called you an awful town player for being unable to see a townie me?

I feel uncomfortable in this game now.

I'd own it, I guess. Sorry.

I just realized how hypocritical and untrue this was.

Let's talk about this after the game because I have some gripes I'd like to raise too but in the middle of the game is not the place for them.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:47 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:07 pm No one can be that sure of my towniness so it's reached a level of fakeness imo.

Why in every game we play do you never give me credit?

You

Are

Whack

Well you didn't call me butthead but this is the best best thing ;p

Next best thing *

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:54 pm Let's talk about this after the game because I have some gripes I'd like to raise too but in the middle of the game is not the place for them.

Me too.

You're not whack but you are frustrating when you are wrong (so am I lol)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:45 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:56 pm I didn't even vote Dunya today. I was just tinfoiling. JUST TINFOILING!

In which speedchuck buddies an emotionally vulnerable dunya to try to re-establish battle lines against POE clamped MacDougall so that he can get his sorry ass through the day.

Linki: And succeeded.

i wasn't emotionally vulnerable, and nothing speed has done can be called buddying me this game. i was angry though, and really disappointed.

i am pissed at the self vote. regardless of alignment, whether he's town or scum, I loathe these type of outbursts where someone just throws the towel in and votes for the themselves and tries to emotionally manipulate us (it follows the trend of "if people vote for me, i'm quitting the game" or glorf's truth meta, both of which i feel cannot and should not be used as tactics in a game of mafia). it's not cool, and that's why i make a pointed effort to banning the behavior in my games by including a rule that a self vote = a modkill. period. don't care who does it and what faction they are, it's not a strategy i can stomach. i am also pissed at the "dunya deserves to be lynched even if she's not bad" narrative. that was just outwardly mean, and i don't think you have to be personally mean to someone on that level in mafia.

i was very upset for a while, i guess, so i don't know if that's emotionally vulnerable. i just had to step away before i said something that i'd regret or ask for a replacement this late in the game, which i feel wouldn't be at all fair to my replacement. this is a game, one that we have all been accusing each other in, so i don't enjoy it when a tactic i feel should be worthy of a modkill (regardless of true alignment) was used and i can't justify town-reading him based on that scene and feeling good about my townread on him now. so it makes me sad.

i was asking mac for reads, genuine ones, not reads that he was randomly making about each person. i can believe genuine reads and observations; i am allowed to discredit text that i feel was just pulled out of one's backside. that isn't a pointed effort at trying to read someone, that's throwing shit out there and seeing which one sticks so he can go along with it. apparently i took the bait and he harpooned on speed when he felt i could lean that way. if anyone is capable of manipulating another player, it's macdougall. he is the kind of manipulation, he's one of the scariest scummers. he can do it out of apathy, and he can do it by making me feel like the best town player ever. i saw him do it to jay in ass class and was constantly face palming, so i guess if i'm going to lose the game to speed i'd feel less bad at this point about the loss than losing to someone who started to play a loose and apathetic game then turned it into a "let's try to get dunya eating out of my palm" game because he thinks i'm easy to manipulate. i'm not. i don't trust anyone who can wholly trust me. the reason i definitely town read daisy was because of her game solving efforts, the fact i felt she was the second pr (tho not a protective one tbf), and her healthy suspicion of me throughout the game. that's genuine and normal. especially a game so small, with litter room for error so everyone has to be paranoid and good dose of tinfoiling keeps us sharp. not tunneling tho. never that.

speed's tunneling of me was not healthy or normal. luna's handling of me was normal, she never town cleared me but she is open for discussion. speed seems set on discussing then debunking and twisting everything i say so there's no room to actually change his mind: it's already been made. i feel less and less convinced every time he said "i'm not tunneling, i'm open for discussion", like it genuinely makes me laugh and then just feel "ughhh" about. similarly, mac will not town read me this easily. he will not confidently put the poe between me and speed only without even genuinely looking into dizzy or luna or reading the thread properly. i can't see a town mac this game no matter how much i want to believe someone is able to properly read me, this looks more like a scum mac's handling of a threatened dunya who he wants on his side and who he knows is town from tmi. if we had lynched speed and he flipped town, he would have more than likely flipped on me, said he must have misread me and i was too quick to grasp at his speed case then gotten dizzy and luna/daisy to side with him as they all have varying amounts of suspicion on me anyway, dizzy a lot, and the girls a little less.

if it's not mac, i will be voting dizzy out of poe. i would look into luna again, but he's my likely choice after mac.

after mac's super confident townread on me though, i'm pretty sure it's him.

Sadly you are very very wrong and it's speedchuck

I am not sure how or why you are reacting like this re speedchuck. The self vote is a common scum tactic.

There is six here. Dizzy and Daisy hopefully you vote Speedchuck and at least let fate decide. I am sure it's him.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:21 am I am not sure how or why you are reacting like this re speedchuck. The self vote is a common scum tactic.

is it? in my experiences, it's exasperated town. whatever the experience, it's in poor taste to self vote when you're being suspected and should be treated nai but just like i town cleared someone for doing in seinfeld, and just like a jury can't unhear an argument made even if they shouldn't consider it, i can't unsee what unfolded here.

also would scum speed resort to being outright rude and mean to me if he knew i was town? i find that hard to swallow. very much so.

I find it really disappointing that I am being voted
and probably mislynched for not being an asshole to you and reading you as town.

I don't think he was being rude to you. I think he is trying to win as scum. Everything he did today was with an intention of getting you lynched when I civ flip imo. I even called it all as it was happening.

If it's not one of the Quin voters it's Chuck. If it's one of the Quin voters then decent job and congrats on the win I guess.

If It's Dunya I will be begrudgingly respectful of how desperate she is to win.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:02 am I find it really disappointing that I am being voted
and probably mislynched for not being an asshole to you and reading you as town.

i know, i'm really sorry and that's why i hate myself being in this position right now. if you're town and you've town read me this hard yesterday and today, then i'm going to be genuinely sad and disappointed in myself for a long time.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:02 am I don't think he was being rude to you.

no, a line was definitely crossed between being scummy and pushing a scum narrative on someone and being personally offensive to the person outside the realms of the game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:07 am If It's Dunya I will be begrudgingly respectful of how desperate she is to win.

nah man. if i was scum, no one would be suspecting me. that's how it is with me.

I mean I don't think he was intentionally being rude to you. I don't mean to say you aren't right about how you were made to feel.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:11 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:02 am I find it really disappointing that I am being voted
and probably mislynched for not being an asshole to you and reading you as town.

i know, i'm really sorry and that's why i hate myself being in this position right now. if you're town and you've town read me this hard yesterday and today, then i'm going to be genuinely sad and disappointed in myself for a long time.

It's just a game. Can't be super sleuth Dunya every time I guess.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:11 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:07 am If It's Dunya I will be begrudgingly respectful of how desperate she is to win.

nah man. if i was scum, no one would be suspecting me. that's how it is with me.

I am aware of this. Hence my town read. Hence why are you voting me?

Gah another 37 hours of this what the hell.

I mean I started the day thinking that I had no path of survival. You tell me as a civ I am obliged to try. I try. I town read you and case make on Speedchuck. Show my work. Drum up some interest. Even get some votes off me and onto him. All he has to do is self vote and he's cleared?

Like what is the point. You should have let me just die if you had no intention of listening to me. What did you just want me to scum read you incorrectly or something?

I know you are pissed but you have played me really wrong today and wasted my time.

I have said before this "townies are assholes" meta is toxic.

i hear you and agree with what you're saying 200%. i almost feel like i've cheated by enforcing the meta despite my best intentions to not get caught up with it. i may change my vote before eod if the guilt doesn't fade.

tbf, i know plenty of scum who are toxic too. i'm judging speed on speed. speed's personality doesn't fit the meta of hitting me below the belt that way if he was the last scum in the same way someone like juliets/glorf/sloonei wouldn't. i wouldn't put it past someone like nutella who has a pretty impulsive and hot headed personality in either alignment, but you said it yourself, speed is more reserved and calm as scum--so what is with the outburst this way?