The Syndicate

juliets wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 8:53 pm @MacDougall I finished nutella's ISO and she was not wishy-washy in Day 1 but she came in and voted pretty quickly citing that she was busy. I was also busy at that time, part of it being the other game and my read is that's part of what was making her so busy. That is one convoluted sentence. Anyway, I'm not ready to call her bad but as I said before, she does not stand out to me as good as much as Dragomir.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 9:02 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 8:57 pm You guys can make this easy by going ahead and lynching me. I really just now started to be invested in this game so it won't kill me to go out. Don't say I didn't warn you thought that it will be a mislynch.

indiglo wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 12:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:32 pm I don't particularly trust Mac. I mostly don't trust Mac though, I don't distrust him specifically for this game. Like, not any more than usual.

To me, in a game where infodumping isn't allowed, saying "Can you just vote there because I asked" carries a bit more gravitas, because it's about the level of strength one could use to make a "I alignment-checked Creature and he's bad" statement.

So, you're saying here that Mac happens to have an alignment checker role. On Night 1, he happened to alignment check Creature, and he happened to hit the jackpot and found out Creature was mafia? See, I think that's kind of lame.

I wouldn't normally think it was lame, because I generally think it's wise to posit any and all theories. But you said mine was lame, and yours is on the same level, so I'm calling it lame too.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:00 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:30 pm this is the part where we lynch Creature

Why do we do that?

For once can the answer just be "because I am pretty sure he is bad"? Like just for once?

Yes. [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:25 pm Ok hi, first of all, I'm not even in on this "framing" plan you paranoid maniac. RIP Epignosis. Pretty unlikely that I night kill Epignosis at all, but that's just some true meta that you don't have to believe unless you already understand this. I'm not really putting that in as a defense, but it's the truth. It's not sporting. Epi is only fun to lynch.

indiglo wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 12:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:32 pm I don't particularly trust Mac. I mostly don't trust Mac though, I don't distrust him specifically for this game. Like, not any more than usual.

To me, in a game where infodumping isn't allowed, saying "Can you just vote there because I asked" carries a bit more gravitas, because it's about the level of strength one could use to make a "I alignment-checked Creature and he's bad" statement.

So, you're saying here that Mac happens to have an alignment checker role. On Night 1, he happened to alignment check Creature, and he happened to hit the jackpot and found out Creature was mafia? See, I think that's kind of lame.

I wouldn't normally think it was lame, because I generally think it's wise to posit any and all theories. But you said mine was lame, and yours is on the same level, so I'm calling it lame too.

You are a cool lady. And goddamn right my plan was lame. Yes, I suspected Creature for the innocent Player Salad. Mac's request though...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:00 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:30 pm this is the part where we lynch Creature

Why do we do that?

For once can the answer just be "because I am pretty sure he is bad"? Like just for once?

Yes. [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Sorry, Mac, but where I come from there are consequences for this kind of thing.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:32 pm I don't particularly trust Mac. I mostly don't trust Mac though, I don't distrust him specifically for this game. Like, not any more than usual.

To me, in a game where infodumping isn't allowed, saying "Can you just vote there because I asked" carries a bit more gravitas, because it's about the level of strength one could use to make a "I alignment-checked Creature and he's bad" statement.

I didn't.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:35 pm No, you asked me to vote No Questions Asked. How are you not a marked man in my books now?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:32 pm I don't particularly trust Mac. I mostly don't trust Mac though, I don't distrust him specifically for this game. Like, not any more than usual.

To me, in a game where infodumping isn't allowed, saying "Can you just vote there because I asked" carries a bit more gravitas, because it's about the level of strength one could use to make a "I alignment-checked Creature and he's bad" statement.

I didn't.

This is the part where I clearly told you I did not have information.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:57 pm I was lazy then. You are being lazy now. You are taking the cheap route putting your vote on me right now.

Talking consequences, do you actually think I am bad?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 11:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:57 pm I was lazy then. You are being lazy now. You are taking the cheap route putting your vote on me right now.

Talking consequences, do you actually think I am bad?

Yeah.... you just like to crow about your baddie achievements, like the NEVER FORGET image, and I just keep seeing you in the future, "how about that time that I got Long Con to help me lynch a Civ just by asking nice?" So easy to see.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 1:06 am [VOTE: juliets] aubergine

I'm feeling generous to LC at the moment. Part of it is that I am tempted to believe his thing about epi even though it could easily be wifom, and part of it is his indignation toward Mac feels legit. I think it's very possible he and Mac are both town here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 11:14 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

I am seeing very little to give this man credit for.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 7:16 pm As much as I trust Kyle and Creature right now, I just don't get the switch to Wilgy at the last second.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 8:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 8:54 pm

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 8:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 7:57 pm @MacDougall juliets is bad because she is saying that in retrospect drago and I are obvtown for objecting to the creature lynch, whereas she never reconsidered her creature vote when it was happening. She made the appearance of taking us and our LC cases seriously after we were proven right, but only after the fact. While creature was being lynched she was totally content to just let it happen.

See Mac Daddy? This is the kind of logic I can get behind.

[VOTE: Juliets] aubergine

The logic didn't even make sense.

Nah it does. The issue being I've been up since 5:30 this morning and it is almost 9 my time. Plus I have to get up at 4AM because I'm flying home tomorrow for my brother's best friend's wedding this weekend. So I don't have time to go and pull the specific quote. But I know it was one of the ones of you gloming onto nutella and someone else's case. I can't remember.

I'll try to pull it at the airport or when I get home tomorrow. But I might not be taking my laptop so it could just be me on my phone for a few days here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 11:14 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

I am seeing very little to give this man credit for.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 7:57 pm MacDougall juliets is bad because she is saying that in retrospect drago and I are obvtown for objecting to the creature lynch, whereas she never reconsidered her creature vote when it was happening. She made the appearance of taking us and our LC cases seriously after we were proven right, but only after the fact. While creature was being lynched she was totally content to just let it happen.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:25 pm Ok hi, first of all, I'm not even in on this "framing" plan you paranoid maniac. RIP Epignosis. Pretty unlikely that I night kill Epignosis at all, but that's just some true meta that you don't have to believe unless you already understand this. I'm not really putting that in as a defense, but it's the truth. It's not sporting. Epi is only fun to lynch.

indiglo wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 12:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:32 pm I don't particularly trust Mac. I mostly don't trust Mac though, I don't distrust him specifically for this game. Like, not any more than usual.

To me, in a game where infodumping isn't allowed, saying "Can you just vote there because I asked" carries a bit more gravitas, because it's about the level of strength one could use to make a "I alignment-checked Creature and he's bad" statement.

So, you're saying here that Mac happens to have an alignment checker role. On Night 1, he happened to alignment check Creature, and he happened to hit the jackpot and found out Creature was mafia? See, I think that's kind of lame.

I wouldn't normally think it was lame, because I generally think it's wise to posit any and all theories. But you said mine was lame, and yours is on the same level, so I'm calling it lame too.

You are a cool lady. And goddamn right my plan was lame. Yes, I suspected Creature for the innocent Player Salad. Mac's request though...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:00 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:30 pm this is the part where we lynch Creature

Why do we do that?

For once can the answer just be "because I am pretty sure he is bad"? Like just for once?

Yes. [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Sorry, Mac, but where I come from there are consequences for this kind of thing.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:25 pm Ok hi, first of all, I'm not even in on this "framing" plan you paranoid maniac. RIP Epignosis. Pretty unlikely that I night kill Epignosis at all, but that's just some true meta that you don't have to believe unless you already understand this. I'm not really putting that in as a defense, but it's the truth. It's not sporting. Epi is only fun to lynch.

indiglo wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 12:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:32 pm I don't particularly trust Mac. I mostly don't trust Mac though, I don't distrust him specifically for this game. Like, not any more than usual.

To me, in a game where infodumping isn't allowed, saying "Can you just vote there because I asked" carries a bit more gravitas, because it's about the level of strength one could use to make a "I alignment-checked Creature and he's bad" statement.

So, you're saying here that Mac happens to have an alignment checker role. On Night 1, he happened to alignment check Creature, and he happened to hit the jackpot and found out Creature was mafia? See, I think that's kind of lame.

I wouldn't normally think it was lame, because I generally think it's wise to posit any and all theories. But you said mine was lame, and yours is on the same level, so I'm calling it lame too.

You are a cool lady. And goddamn right my plan was lame. Yes, I suspected Creature for the innocent Player Salad. Mac's request though...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:00 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:30 pm this is the part where we lynch Creature

Why do we do that?

For once can the answer just be "because I am pretty sure he is bad"? Like just for once?

Yes. [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Sorry, Mac, but where I come from there are consequences for this kind of thing.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:25 pm Ok hi, first of all, I'm not even in on this "framing" plan you paranoid maniac. RIP Epignosis. Pretty unlikely that I night kill Epignosis at all, but that's just some true meta that you don't have to believe unless you already understand this. I'm not really putting that in as a defense, but it's the truth. It's not sporting. Epi is only fun to lynch.

indiglo wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 12:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:32 pm I don't particularly trust Mac. I mostly don't trust Mac though, I don't distrust him specifically for this game. Like, not any more than usual.

To me, in a game where infodumping isn't allowed, saying "Can you just vote there because I asked" carries a bit more gravitas, because it's about the level of strength one could use to make a "I alignment-checked Creature and he's bad" statement.

So, you're saying here that Mac happens to have an alignment checker role. On Night 1, he happened to alignment check Creature, and he happened to hit the jackpot and found out Creature was mafia? See, I think that's kind of lame.

I wouldn't normally think it was lame, because I generally think it's wise to posit any and all theories. But you said mine was lame, and yours is on the same level, so I'm calling it lame too.

You are a cool lady. And goddamn right my plan was lame. Yes, I suspected Creature for the innocent Player Salad. Mac's request though...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:00 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:30 pm this is the part where we lynch Creature

Why do we do that?

For once can the answer just be "because I am pretty sure he is bad"? Like just for once?

Yes. [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Sorry, Mac, but where I come from there are consequences for this kind of thing.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Rej wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 11:26 am I am totally splitted and this maffia bafflegab is just killing me and totally new for me.
My vote on Juliets came from my gut feelings of D2, observing the low investment of Juliets took in both wagon and permanently questioning stuff that is discussed already. And I went sleep so I just left the vote on Juliets to see what happens and how I would reengage into the conversation.
I don't know Juliets meta but she suddenly changed completely, making me think she is either scum who wants to avoid a lynch wagon being formed on her or a town who wants to make a counter wagon. I am 60/40 still.

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Rej wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 11:48 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:25 pm Ok hi, first of all, I'm not even in on this "framing" plan you paranoid maniac. RIP Epignosis. Pretty unlikely that I night kill Epignosis at all, but that's just some true meta that you don't have to believe unless you already understand this. I'm not really putting that in as a defense, but it's the truth. It's not sporting. Epi is only fun to lynch.

indiglo wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 12:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:32 pm I don't particularly trust Mac. I mostly don't trust Mac though, I don't distrust him specifically for this game. Like, not any more than usual.

To me, in a game where infodumping isn't allowed, saying "Can you just vote there because I asked" carries a bit more gravitas, because it's about the level of strength one could use to make a "I alignment-checked Creature and he's bad" statement.

So, you're saying here that Mac happens to have an alignment checker role. On Night 1, he happened to alignment check Creature, and he happened to hit the jackpot and found out Creature was mafia? See, I think that's kind of lame.

I wouldn't normally think it was lame, because I generally think it's wise to posit any and all theories. But you said mine was lame, and yours is on the same level, so I'm calling it lame too.

You are a cool lady. And goddamn right my plan was lame. Yes, I suspected Creature for the innocent Player Salad. Mac's request though...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:00 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:30 pm this is the part where we lynch Creature

Why do we do that?

For once can the answer just be "because I am pretty sure he is bad"? Like just for once?

Yes. [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Sorry, Mac, but where I come from there are consequences for this kind of thing.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I rly don't like how Long Con performed against Indiglo - who gave me a rly rly strong townread here.
How do people town read Long Con based on this post? Am I the only who is actually dumb? Do I miss something here?

Is Mac always acting scummy as town?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:52 pm

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:44 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:27 pm

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:48 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

It's the best thing going that isn't a Creature vote.

I will not be here for EOD today, but I have several hours still. So hopefully we can stay organized.

(Also, Creature, if you really are mafia, I tip my hat to you. lol )

indi, did you see something in LC's ISO that convinced you to vote him?

I'm not married to my vote for LC. At this point, I feel like my most likely candidates would be between Mac, Wilgy and LC. Because of how the votes started going down from the beginning of this day phase.

I wanted to get a vote on the board, and of those 3, LC had the most votes so far. I'm open to further discussion for sure, and vote changing, up until the time I have to leave.

Ok, so it wasn't something you found in his ISO that convinced you. I just ISO'd him and didn't really see a lot. His beef with Creature seemed to be the player salad issue, and other than that he responded to Mac's plea to please vote Creature. @Long Con correct me if I am wrong.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:47 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:43 pm @juliets it did fit the standard salad definition of "a, b, c, or maybe d" so it was a valid call-out but I think LC got a bit too excited about it/may put too much weight on it. I think I've also seen civ LC get overexcited about catching a salad though

OK nutella thanks, particularly for the info that his "huge black mark" comment may be NAI.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:49 pm yeah suspicious or not I think I'm going to vote Creature for similar reasons.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 11:50 am

Rej wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 11:26 am I am totally splitted and this maffia bafflegab is just killing me and totally new for me.
My vote on Juliets came from my gut feelings of D2, observing the low investment of Juliets took in both wagon and permanently questioning stuff that is discussed already. And I went sleep so I just left the vote on Juliets to see what happens and how I would reengage into the conversation.
I don't know Juliets meta but she suddenly changed completely, making me think she is either scum who wants to avoid a lynch wagon being formed on her or a town who wants to make a counter wagon. I am 60/40 still.

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Rej, I did start becoming invested in this game late for several reasons, all of which I outlined in the other game but not here. The shortened version is I've had several real life issues in the last week - several medical issues and it was my birthday and I was pre-occupied with birthday things. In addition, I was playing the other game which is a monster game and it was sucking up most of the free time I had plus studying the background for a massive non-mafia game I agreed to sub into at MU. I have had a lot on my plate. I'm now dead in the other game so that frees up a chunk of time to play this one better. So you are correct about your gut feeling that I did not have high investment.

The thing I don't really understand is your comment that I was "permanently questioning stuff that is discussed already". Can you point that out? It's certainly possible that I missed something while skimming through the game and asked a question that already had been asked but I don't know that I did it. Also, how does that make me scum? And finally, the reason why you saw the change in me is back to the first point: I died in the other game and I am not spending a load of time in doctor's offices like I was. It's just a matter of time that was freed up.

I strongly urge you to take another look at my behavior and see if it makes sense for the reasons I've given you. As I said before, I won't be devastated if I get lynched but it will be the third mislynch in this game if it happens. I really don't want that to happen for game reasons. I would like for us to pull a win out of this and that is not looking favorable right now.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 12:03 pm Okay juliets I'm looking at your iso for where you "considered" some points on LC. Mostly what I'm seeing is you asking what the reasons were and then dismissing them.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:52 pm

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:44 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:27 pm

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:48 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

It's the best thing going that isn't a Creature vote.

I will not be here for EOD today, but I have several hours still. So hopefully we can stay organized.

(Also, Creature, if you really are mafia, I tip my hat to you. lol )

indi, did you see something in LC's ISO that convinced you to vote him?

I'm not married to my vote for LC. At this point, I feel like my most likely candidates would be between Mac, Wilgy and LC. Because of how the votes started going down from the beginning of this day phase.

I wanted to get a vote on the board, and of those 3, LC had the most votes so far. I'm open to further discussion for sure, and vote changing, up until the time I have to leave.

Ok, so it wasn't something you found in his ISO that convinced you. I just ISO'd him and didn't really see a lot. His beef with Creature seemed to be the player salad issue, and other than that he responded to Mac's plea to please vote Creature. @Long Con correct me if I am wrong.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:47 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:43 pm @juliets it did fit the standard salad definition of "a, b, c, or maybe d" so it was a valid call-out but I think LC got a bit too excited about it/may put too much weight on it. I think I've also seen civ LC get overexcited about catching a salad though

OK nutella thanks, particularly for the info that his "huge black mark" comment may be NAI.

Basically you seem pretty neutral-to-dismissive toward the points on LC, and I could see your questioning as a teammate avoiding a lack of acknowledgement of the suspicion but ultimately going with the creature vote with not much explanation:

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:49 pm yeah suspicious or not I think I'm going to vote Creature for similar reasons.

So I'm not entirely convinced by your defense but I can see a world where you're being honest, and since I'm feeling better about LC and this is partially positing a teammate relationship I may cool down on it.

I am alternatively considering a bwt/wilgy w/w universe.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 8:23 am Re: Dr. Wilgy

I had forgotten about this until I was reviewing bwt's posts:

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 7:16 pm As much as I trust Kyle and Creature right now, I just don't get the switch to Wilgy at the last second.

Kyle died that night and Creature died in the lynch the next day and Dr. Wilgy voted for him.

Rej wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 12:22 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 11:50 am

Rej wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 11:26 am I am totally splitted and this maffia bafflegab is just killing me and totally new for me.
My vote on Juliets came from my gut feelings of D2, observing the low investment of Juliets took in both wagon and permanently questioning stuff that is discussed already. And I went sleep so I just left the vote on Juliets to see what happens and how I would reengage into the conversation.
I don't know Juliets meta but she suddenly changed completely, making me think she is either scum who wants to avoid a lynch wagon being formed on her or a town who wants to make a counter wagon. I am 60/40 still.

<snip>

Rej, I did start becoming invested in this game late for several reasons, all of which I outlined in the other game but not here. The shortened version is I've had several real life issues in the last week - several medical issues and it was my birthday and I was pre-occupied with birthday things. In addition, I was playing the other game which is a monster game and it was sucking up most of the free time I had plus studying the background for a massive non-mafia game I agreed to sub into at MU. I have had a lot on my plate. I'm now dead in the other game so that frees up a chunk of time to play this one better. So you are correct about your gut feeling that I did not have high investment.

The thing I don't really understand is your comment that I was "permanently questioning stuff that is discussed already". Can you point that out? It's certainly possible that I missed something while skimming through the game and asked a question that already had been asked but I don't know that I did it. Also, how does that make me scum? And finally, the reason why you saw the change in me is back to the first point: I died in the other game and I am not spending a load of time in doctor's offices like I was. It's just a matter of time that was freed up.

I strongly urge you to take another look at my behavior and see if it makes sense for the reasons I've given you. As I said before, I won't be devastated if I get lynched but it will be the third mislynch in this game if it happens. I really don't want that to happen for game reasons. I would like for us to pull a win out of this and that is not looking favorable right now.

Oh I am sorry, you didn't have to spill out the details, I heard from some veteran players that empathy doesn't belong into mafia, so I am new here I see it as a way to engage in discussion with you. Maybe my reasoning is still not in depth but sec. Ahyeah the recent questioning from you has been on page 15 resolved, but especially earlier on you did rather question people but I should take it more easy. For a certain part of the game I had my eyes on the players with lower activity, especially Oreki and you and I made observations and found especially you having no impact on anything, similair like me. The mislynch wagons were formed by others, so I regret taking a look at you as a primary scum and that's where I lean more towards a Mac + x combo or a Long Con + x combo.
Also who gives us the confirmation that enemies are one mafia, seeing how splitted it is I get the vibes of this being a multiball with potential a even-night scum duo and a odd-night scum duo. I wonder why people are not really considering triple dynamics in here. It is a mess to read for my part.

Also to your question bout Mac, the way he manipulated Long Con to lynch Creature and how easy Long Con jumped on it is bothering me, also that's why I asked if Mac always plays scummy as town because I still townread him based on how he converses with people, but looking behind his actual plays and their outcomes he is just scum. Also how he planted confusion D1 and noone cared gives me the idea of another bunch of scum just bypassing this opener. I hope I make a bit more sense now.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 2:19 pm

indiglo wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 11:54 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:18 pm @indiglo why Wilgy?

I posted my reasoning in the post directly before my vote post Iit was supposed to be all in 1 post, but, something freaked out and it posted before I could add my vote to the post):

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 2:48 pm

Oreki wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:39 am I'm not finished with reading yet but looking at the thread, @birdwithteeth11 comes off quite aggressively and his behavior not really feel like town behavior, it's more comes off as a wolf for me. They way he ask players or point out thinks Kinda coming forcefully. I will read the entire thread and will provide my reads on my suspect along with birdwith.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:43 pm @Creature if there's anything that I've learned in my time on this planet it's that if you sus bwt day 1 and he's not bad, you are. Wanna flip that coin buddy?

So I just found this. Wilgy is calling out Creature for doing something that Oreki did Day 1... but Wilgy doesn't throw any suspicion Oreki's way for it. I don't like that at all.

Oh I see indi, I don't know why I didn't see that. Thanks.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 12:38 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 12:22 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 11:50 am

Rej wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 11:26 am I am totally splitted and this maffia bafflegab is just killing me and totally new for me.
My vote on Juliets came from my gut feelings of D2, observing the low investment of Juliets took in both wagon and permanently questioning stuff that is discussed already. And I went sleep so I just left the vote on Juliets to see what happens and how I would reengage into the conversation.
I don't know Juliets meta but she suddenly changed completely, making me think she is either scum who wants to avoid a lynch wagon being formed on her or a town who wants to make a counter wagon. I am 60/40 still.

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Rej, I did start becoming invested in this game late for several reasons, all of which I outlined in the other game but not here. The shortened version is I've had several real life issues in the last week - several medical issues and it was my birthday and I was pre-occupied with birthday things. In addition, I was playing the other game which is a monster game and it was sucking up most of the free time I had plus studying the background for a massive non-mafia game I agreed to sub into at MU. I have had a lot on my plate. I'm now dead in the other game so that frees up a chunk of time to play this one better. So you are correct about your gut feeling that I did not have high investment.

The thing I don't really understand is your comment that I was "permanently questioning stuff that is discussed already". Can you point that out? It's certainly possible that I missed something while skimming through the game and asked a question that already had been asked but I don't know that I did it. Also, how does that make me scum? And finally, the reason why you saw the change in me is back to the first point: I died in the other game and I am not spending a load of time in doctor's offices like I was. It's just a matter of time that was freed up.

I strongly urge you to take another look at my behavior and see if it makes sense for the reasons I've given you. As I said before, I won't be devastated if I get lynched but it will be the third mislynch in this game if it happens. I really don't want that to happen for game reasons. I would like for us to pull a win out of this and that is not looking favorable right now.

Oh I am sorry, you didn't have to spill out the details, I heard from some veteran players that empathy doesn't belong into mafia, so I am new here I see it as a way to engage in discussion with you. Maybe my reasoning is still not in depth but sec. Ahyeah the recent questioning from you has been on page 15 resolved, but especially earlier on you did rather question people but I should take it more easy. For a certain part of the game I had my eyes on the players with lower activity, especially Oreki and you and I made observations and found especially you having no impact on anything, similair like me. The mislynch wagons were formed by others, so I regret taking a look at you as a primary scum and that's where I lean more towards a Mac + x combo or a Long Con + x combo.
Also who gives us the confirmation that enemies are one mafia, seeing how splitted it is I get the vibes of this being a multiball with potential a even-night scum duo and a odd-night scum duo. I wonder why people are not really considering triple dynamics in here. It is a mess to read for my part.

Also to your question bout Mac, the way he manipulated Long Con to lynch Creature and how easy Long Con jumped on it is bothering me, also that's why I asked if Mac always plays scummy as town because I still townread him based on how he converses with people, but looking behind his actual plays and their outcomes he is just scum. Also how he planted confusion D1 and noone cared gives me the idea of another bunch of scum just bypassing this opener. I hope I make a bit more sense now.

Rej, yeah the part about empathy, I'm not asking for you to feel sorry for me, I'm just explaining how busy I was and why I wasn't as engaged. I think you can see I'm engaged now that some time has freed up. I did look at pg. 15 but the only question I saw that I asked on that page had to do with what you meant by a post and it turned out you thought I was another juliets. So I'm going to consider that resolved. Regarding confirmation on how many mafia teams there are in the game people usually make an assumption there is only one team when the player count is this low and/or because in the night posts there is no mafia team mentioned (x was killed by the Mafia Team y). And thanks for answering my question about Mac.

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I'm off to the gym will catch up when I return.

Rej wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 12:49 pm Woops this forum sometimes bugs while trying to send a message.

@juliets What I wanted to add is it's fine I got it, RealLife over MafiaLife, no need for spoiling your troubles. What I just thought is you said you additionally became active after dying in another game, which gave some halfassed vibes. Sorry for that, else I am fine for now.

Rej wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 6:44 am My town reads were correct the game through, and I am still...oof guys...

So it was clear this was a mislynch wagon but I like how people still kept discussing it through the whole day leading into nothing.

@Dragomir bruh, you don't wanna be mislynched again...it is one thing, but you also don't want to mislynch others. Others won't build up the psychology of not mislynching, but in the end you practice it, not only here, but you did the same on OJ. You don't let got of me, even when I jumped off the wagon on creature as one of the first.

From defense to offense...we don't have a townkilling by now and I rly sus Juliets now, because I am more used from her plays, she is doing more reads in generell etc, never seen someone playing so off and then going like:
"Hi Mac" - nothing else.

Ffs either MacDougall is town for 100% or he is deepwolfing and taking control of the wagons.
Also YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY 2 misslynches....Dragomir be like: "I am the most active here, leading the discussions..." tell me why is it so familair?
Oh right in our last game hosted by novas we both swiped town by forming one scumwagon against town after another and noone realized it while 1 obvious scum atleast were known to town.

I am getting heavy flashbacks here

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 6:35 pm 1. When I postulated that Dragomir was being pocketed by nut he said that he agreed but then closed the post by saying it wasn't a strong feeling. His last post of night 2 was very similar about me. I don't like it. He's afraid of outright calling either nut or I bad.

2. Epi wanted to lynch him. Dragomir avoided engaging Epi during night 2 beyond saying "good luck with that". Because he knew Epi wouldn't be here on day 3.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 12:31 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 8:23 am Re: Dr. Wilgy

I had forgotten about this until I was reviewing bwt's posts:

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 7:16 pm As much as I trust Kyle and Creature right now, I just don't get the switch to Wilgy at the last second.

Kyle died that night and Creature died in the lynch the next day and Dr. Wilgy voted for him.

This is a contributing point to bwt/wilgy suspicion