The Syndicate

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:34 pm
Elephant is... god.

It's very obviously a character and my eyes just glaze over when I read his posts, but I would bet a dollar he's like this regardless of alignment so he's just going to be a PITA to play with. Really hope he's not town. Might be town anyway. Where's the fricking sigh emote when you need it.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:52 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:43 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:34 am iaafr

creature
dragomir
michelle
sprityo
benson

evenstar
hyena

null line

112
macdougall
jackofhearts
nutella

why the fuck are both Creature and Dragomir so high here
Also not getting great vibes from benson
Nutella and Jack ought to be higher, too
overall, garbage readslist, making me feel worse about Iaafr

This is bad as hell. How can you use the fact that you disagree with the read list against iaafr? Ppl have different perspectives and won't always share your own. I despise the shade that you're throwing at iaafr here.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:04 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:18 pm honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome

Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.

Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.

So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.

I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:11 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:04 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:18 pm honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome

Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.

Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.

So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.

I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?

Here's what JJJ said in the OP:

"Characters are randomized and have no connection to role abilities. You can even role play if you like."

So I read that as you can't tell from the character what the role abilities are.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:14 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:05 am Oh well, juliets randed scum this game

Why?

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:28 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

Why aren't you suspecting me for claiming Light Yagami then...?

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:25 pm I wrote a post and when I hit submit I was prompted to log in. Now post is gone and I'm sad.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:39 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:52 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:43 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:34 am iaafr

creature
dragomir
michelle
sprityo
benson

evenstar
hyena

null line

112
macdougall
jackofhearts
nutella

why the fuck are both Creature and Dragomir so high here
Also not getting great vibes from benson
Nutella and Jack ought to be higher, too
overall, garbage readslist, making me feel worse about Iaafr

This is bad as hell. How can you use the fact that you disagree with the read list against iaafr? Ppl have different perspectives and won't always share your own. I despise the shade that you're throwing at iaafr here.

I super question how badly this list is off. Feels like they're not playing the same game as me. That means they're probably not the same alignment as me. QED.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:40 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:11 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:04 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:18 pm honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome

Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.

Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.

So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.

I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?

Here's what JJJ said in the OP:

"Characters are randomized and have no connection to role abilities. You can even role play if you like."

So I read that as you can't tell from the character what the role abilities are.

I'm not talking about role abilities, I'm talking about alignments.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:39 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:52 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:43 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:34 am iaafr

creature
dragomir
michelle
sprityo
benson

evenstar
hyena

null line

112
macdougall
jackofhearts
nutella

why the fuck are both Creature and Dragomir so high here
Also not getting great vibes from benson
Nutella and Jack ought to be higher, too
overall, garbage readslist, making me feel worse about Iaafr

This is bad as hell. How can you use the fact that you disagree with the read list against iaafr? Ppl have different perspectives and won't always share your own. I despise the shade that you're throwing at iaafr here.

I super question how badly this list is off. Feels like they're not playing the same game as me. That means they're probably not the same alignment as me. QED.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:45 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:40 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:11 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:04 pm

Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.

Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.

So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.

I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?

Here's what JJJ said in the OP:

"Characters are randomized and have no connection to role abilities. You can even role play if you like."

So I read that as you can't tell from the character what the role abilities are.

I'm not talking about role abilities, I'm talking about alignments.

Here’s how I see it

A game was designed with blank power roles associated with alignment
Then 29 characters were completely randomly matched to roles

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:30 pm What I was saying. In post #716, Im suspicious over elephant's rebuttal to MR. The tone just feels Wolfy - I know I haven't played with this guy so I'm not too concerned over that.
But I also don't like how he's honing in on very very minor discrepancies in MR's game (like stuff common to all villagers), and using that as a means to discredit his argument and push a scum read. Idk, seems like the kind of tactics I use as a wolf.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:43 am

Rej wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:41 am

Spoiler: show

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:37 am

Rej wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:31 am

Just skimmed again through million of posts and forgot half of the content.
I will just relax as I rly have a bad day today and I wasted my energy into carrying home the Cats/Dogs game with Novas and Speedchuck

Here some crappy GTH reads to satisfy your hunger:

Nutella - good
Michelle - good
Sprityo - good
the guy with the rabbit avatar - good

don't mention me -_-

give me details of Nutella good and what alignament means good for you please. Thanks

why nutella? why not interested in why I read you good?
good means civillian

I don't need to be pocketed thanks for asking.

Don't avoid the question Rej, talk to me about Nutella.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:35 pm It’s like playing with Glorf if Glorf were an elephant

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:41 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:14 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:05 am Oh well, juliets randed scum this game

Why?

Entered the thread fairly quick, fell off and now returned.

not sure though

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:50 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:30 pm What I was saying. In post #716, Im suspicious over elephant's rebuttal to MR. The tone just feels Wolfy - I know I haven't played with this guy so I'm not too concerned over that.
But I also don't like how he's honing in on very very minor discrepancies in MR's game (like stuff common to all villagers), and using that as a means to discredit his argument and push a scum read. Idk, seems like the kind of tactics I use as a wolf.

post 716 http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 03#p558403

I am not pushing a scum read here, I am still investigating, and I have especially said that I am trying for a town read and that I am not getting it. That you are trying to interpret this as a scumread is something I very much don't like. Obviously I am aware that everyone can be part of a misunderstanding. I believe this shows clearly in my post. But I am not willing to leave it uninvestigated.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:52 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:35 pm It’s like playing with Glorf if Glorf were an elephant

Who is Glorf, and why aren't they an elephant?

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:34 pm

Spoiler: show

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:38 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:37 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:16 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:51 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:46 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:42 am
Is it conspicuous? I think there are a lot of players absent from my list. Someone said this earlier, but with so many players in the game and it being only Day 0, it's impossible to keep track of everyone.

I haven't noticed Mac for better or for worse so far. He always posts a lot, from what I've seen. Doesn't mean he's contributing to gamesolving.


Question for you, Pachyderm: do you always have such a passive tone to your posts?

I am not convinced that the premise of your question is correct. Maybe you are confusing politeness and passivity?

Politeness is a form of passivity.

I wouldn't say your engagement level is passive, but the tone of your posts comes across as such. "Should that concern me?"; "Any light you could shed on these issues would be welcome"; etc = passive phrasing.

I just want to know if this is what I can expect from you so I can put it aside when forming a read.

Your manner of thought is alien to me, Master Radishes. Despite being concerned with "reads", you do not appear to actually take notice of what I wrote. You open your post by contradicting my implied assertion that passiveness and politeness are not identical, and then act as if that contradictory statement would remove my objection to your question, which it did not. In addition, I am unable to imagine how an expectation of "passivity" (or the absence of this expectation) would impact your ability to "form a read"; if you could educate me in this respect, I'd be much obliged.

On phone now, so not going to bother breaking up your post into relevant sections, but:
(a) What did you write that I didn't take notice of?
(b) We're now arguing over the semantics of 'passive' which seems NAI.
(c) Players have different posting styles, but I often associate passivity (as I define it) with scuminess. This is not a hard rule, however, and some people just have a tone to their posts I struggle to look past. There's a player on my home forum I scum read every single game and am usually wrong about, and it's because he posts in a manner I find similar to yours.

You have asked me a question that was unclear to me. After I drew your attention to that, you have not clarified (still!), but instead asserted that it wasn't unclear. Predictably, that led us nowhere. What you seem to be saying is that you would like to read "passivity" as scummy, but that it isn't really working out for you, which begs the question why you keep doing it. I still have no idea how the expectation of passivity can shape your read. Basically, you've been blocking my attempts to find out how you do solving in this game, which foils my attempt at townreading you. Why would you behave like this as town? (This is a genuine question!)

For now, I suggest that we revisit my original question: do you find it in character for MacDougall to ignore his absence on your reads list, or does it strike you as unusual? I understand you are somewhat familiar with him, is that correct?

Elephant is... god.

It's very obviously a character and my eyes just glaze over when I read his posts, but I would bet a dollar he's like this regardless of alignment so he's just going to be a PITA to play with. Really hope he's not town. Might be town anyway. Where's the fricking sigh emote when you need it.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:39 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:04 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:18 pm honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome

Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.

Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.

So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.

I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?

Could you please roleplay your character? A paragraph should suffice.

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:54 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:50 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:30 pm What I was saying. In post #716, Im suspicious over elephant's rebuttal to MR. The tone just feels Wolfy - I know I haven't played with this guy so I'm not too concerned over that.
But I also don't like how he's honing in on very very minor discrepancies in MR's game (like stuff common to all villagers), and using that as a means to discredit his argument and push a scum read. Idk, seems like the kind of tactics I use as a wolf.

post 716 http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 03#p558403

I am not pushing a scum read here, I am still investigating, and I have especially said that I am trying for a town read and that I am not getting it. That you are trying to interpret this as a scumread is something I very much don't like. Obviously I am aware that everyone can be part of a misunderstanding. I believe this shows clearly in my post. But I am not willing to leave it uninvestigated.

I should have been more clear: I meant to imply that I thought you were laying the groundwork for an eventual scum read on MR; not that you were scumreading him at that moment per se.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:36 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:16 am It was Fallout that you did it. You were an indy. I also looked at Arrowverse where he was scum and you were town and you didn't give him any town reads at least for the first couple days. Makes me feel good about you... maybe even Creature a bit since your radar on him is demonstrably good.

Why is Mac going out of his way to do research on Jack that makes him look better? Super OOC from what I saw in WC1 and finals. This Mac feels soft and fuzzy with a side of poop jokes. Finals mac was hard and flinty with a side of dick jokes. Very different flavours and oh god why did I give myself that mental image.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:59 pm @Drago Yes but my character is also like I’m not sure if it would be good or bad anyways it isn’t like that

@Elephant A player who, from what I’ve gathered, doesn’t lie and kinda talks like you and has a distinct posting character. He’s not an elephant cause he’s an elf.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:29 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:59 pm @Drago Yes but my character is also like I’m not sure if it would be good or bad anyways it isn’t like that

@Elephant A player who, from what I’ve gathered, doesn’t lie and kinda talks like you and has a distinct posting character. He’s not an elephant cause he’s an elf.

Elephants can be elves. I can lie, but rarely do so.

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Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:28 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:59 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:56 am

Spiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:26 am @Evenstar

so far you are an easy townread to me (actually the easiest), which makes me nervous only because I don't think you are easy to read in general. and in finals when you were town you were a townread, yes, but not an easy or pure one, just like a "I think eva is always like this and it's not scummy" one.

that said, the effortlessness of your savage-tone posting, and the fact that your conversation with Drogo, while meaningless shitposting, actually led you to have a read on him by the end, feels like v easytown to me.

should I be nervous about this read y or y not? :P

@Evenstar, you seem to have been enjoying yourself here. Why is that?

~~Not A Champs Game~~

Also any game with 30 players in it is de facto a mash, I have licence to fuck around

(and my normal tactic of claiming something ridiculous D1 is of limited applicability here)

You certainly look happier here than in Drakengard.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:28 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:24 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:00 am Can someone who is seeing @iaafr as scum talk about their read? I know some people have changed their mind on him so I'm not exactly sure where everyone stands. I tend to agree with Master Radish. I said earlier he was behaving like he did in spec chat just wasn't ready to call that town until MR's post. Anyway, I would appreciate understanding why some think he's bad.

Also, Epi has been called town and I read his ISO to see if I agreed. I think it's a bit early to town read him, he is tricky. I need more posts to make a read there, I'm just advising caution for now.

Feels like he's trying to pocket 112, incoherent reads, tone is off. I do not like it sam I am.

Thanks, I saw the incoherent reads and the tone as his normal behavior but I have not seen him in an in-game setting. I'll re-read his ISO with your points in mind.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:43 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:28 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

Why aren't you suspecting me for claiming Light Yagami then...?

My suspicion on 112 is not based on him character claiming.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:22 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:54 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:50 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:30 pm What I was saying. In post #716, Im suspicious over elephant's rebuttal to MR. The tone just feels Wolfy - I know I haven't played with this guy so I'm not too concerned over that.
But I also don't like how he's honing in on very very minor discrepancies in MR's game (like stuff common to all villagers), and using that as a means to discredit his argument and push a scum read. Idk, seems like the kind of tactics I use as a wolf.

post 716 http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 03#p558403

I am not pushing a scum read here, I am still investigating, and I have especially said that I am trying for a town read and that I am not getting it. That you are trying to interpret this as a scumread is something I very much don't like. Obviously I am aware that everyone can be part of a misunderstanding. I believe this shows clearly in my post. But I am not willing to leave it uninvestigated.

I should have been more clear: I meant to imply that I thought you were laying the groundwork for an eventual scum read on MR; not that you were scumreading him at that moment per se.

I am very much laying the groundwork for an eventual scum read. An investigation that can not support either a town read or a scum read is fluff. An investigation that only works towards one of these ends is biased. I have asked Master Radishes to answer my original question, and to explain the thinking behind his own question. What do you recommend I should have done instead?

You have also noticed that I have been explicitly bringing up that a continued failure to answer has consequences for my perception of Master Radish's alignment. This is pressure. Your intervention here creates counterpressure on me, and therefore defends Master Radishes to a certain degree. Is this defense an intended effect, and if so, why did you do it?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:43 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:39 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:52 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:43 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:34 am iaafr

creature
dragomir
michelle
sprityo
benson

evenstar
hyena

null line

112
macdougall
jackofhearts
nutella

why the fuck are both Creature and Dragomir so high here
Also not getting great vibes from benson
Nutella and Jack ought to be higher, too
overall, garbage readslist, making me feel worse about Iaafr

This is bad as hell. How can you use the fact that you disagree with the read list against iaafr? Ppl have different perspectives and won't always share your own. I despise the shade that you're throwing at iaafr here.

I super question how badly this list is off. Feels like they're not playing the same game as me. That means they're probably not the same alignment as me. QED.

Fair I guess but it’s also see Drago’s point. Iaafr threw out a rainbow with maybe half a dozen controversial reads. I think it’s town because of this shift on Mac and 112, plinko theory suggests that scum doesn’t make such significant shifts like that without a clearer game plan

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:46 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:39 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:52 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:43 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:34 am iaafr

creature
dragomir
michelle
sprityo
benson

evenstar
hyena

null line

112
macdougall
jackofhearts
nutella

why the fuck are both Creature and Dragomir so high here
Also not getting great vibes from benson
Nutella and Jack ought to be higher, too
overall, garbage readslist, making me feel worse about Iaafr

This is bad as hell. How can you use the fact that you disagree with the read list against iaafr? Ppl have different perspectives and won't always share your own. I despise the shade that you're throwing at iaafr here.

I super question how badly this list is off. Feels like they're not playing the same game as me. That means they're probably not the same alignment as me. QED.

I see, so you're mafia and iaafr is town? Cool.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:40 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:43 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:28 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

Why aren't you suspecting me for claiming Light Yagami then...?

My suspicion on 112 is not based on him character claiming.

What is it based on then?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:47 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:45 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:40 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:11 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm

Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.

So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.

I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?

Here's what JJJ said in the OP:

"Characters are randomized and have no connection to role abilities. You can even role play if you like."

So I read that as you can't tell from the character what the role abilities are.

I'm not talking about role abilities, I'm talking about alignments.

Here’s how I see it

A game was designed with blank power roles associated with alignment
Then 29 characters were completely randomly matched to roles

Ok, so you think an evil character can be town then and vice versa?

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:34 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:28 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:59 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:56 am

Spiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:26 am @Evenstar

so far you are an easy townread to me (actually the easiest), which makes me nervous only because I don't think you are easy to read in general. and in finals when you were town you were a townread, yes, but not an easy or pure one, just like a "I think eva is always like this and it's not scummy" one.

that said, the effortlessness of your savage-tone posting, and the fact that your conversation with Drogo, while meaningless shitposting, actually led you to have a read on him by the end, feels like v easytown to me.

should I be nervous about this read y or y not? :P

@Evenstar, you seem to have been enjoying yourself here. Why is that?

~~Not A Champs Game~~

Also any game with 30 players in it is de facto a mash, I have licence to fuck around

(and my normal tactic of claiming something ridiculous D1 is of limited applicability here)

You certainly look happier here than in Drakengard.

In drakengard I had to worry about getting ITA'd by some moron.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:54 pm @iaafr, I just re-read your ISO and one thing that stood out to me is your total turnaround on 112, first she was absolutely town and then she went all the way to scum. Could you talk about that turnaround? What happened? I didn't see it explained in your ISO but maybe I missed it.

And then you were town tunneling nutella but she ended up as scum on your list. Could you talk about what happened there?

I feel like I'm reading your list upside down except your name appears at the top and I assume you don't suspect yourself.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:44 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:40 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:43 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:28 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

Why aren't you suspecting me for claiming Light Yagami then...?

My suspicion on 112 is not based on him character claiming.

What is it based on then?

Read the last page and you'll find out.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:27 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:15 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:11 am
If you want a serious response, (a) screw you, and (b) iiafr is acting exactly as he did in spec chat, which makes me think it's his default setting.

Excuse me for my intervention but since then the spec chat attitude is giving meta for a player?

Oh it totally makes sense, town has similar perspective to spec chat as "default"/lack of info. Jack I think has talked about this? Maybe Jay lol

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:51 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:34 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:28 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:59 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:56 am

Spiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:26 am @Evenstar

so far you are an easy townread to me (actually the easiest), which makes me nervous only because I don't think you are easy to read in general. and in finals when you were town you were a townread, yes, but not an easy or pure one, just like a "I think eva is always like this and it's not scummy" one.

that said, the effortlessness of your savage-tone posting, and the fact that your conversation with Drogo, while meaningless shitposting, actually led you to have a read on him by the end, feels like v easytown to me.

should I be nervous about this read y or y not? :P

@Evenstar, you seem to have been enjoying yourself here. Why is that?

~~Not A Champs Game~~

Also any game with 30 players in it is de facto a mash, I have licence to fuck around

(and my normal tactic of claiming something ridiculous D1 is of limited applicability here)

You certainly look happier here than in Drakengard.

In drakengard I had to worry about getting ITA'd by some moron.

30 minutes into Inception, Mal stabs Ariadne, and it happens quite suddenly. Thankfully, the number of morons in this game seems low.

Spoiler: show

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Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:00 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:44 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:40 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:43 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:28 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am Question for all of you, do you guys believe this game would have some fake claims? I personally think yes. It's a big factor in why I suspect 112 as a matter of fact.

Why aren't you suspecting me for claiming Light Yagami then...?

My suspicion on 112 is not based on him character claiming.

What is it based on then?

Read the last page and you'll find out.

I did. Why'd your read evaporate as soon as you got confirmation that flavor isn't alignment-indicative?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:19 pm This game is a semi-open setup. The roles listed below appear in the game in some capacity. The list is not comprehensive. Players may or may not necessarily have additional abilities beyond those listed.