The Syndicate

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:16 pm Isn't thatwhat you're begging us to do?

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:15 pm what are your strongest reasons for liking pawn?

it doesnt give you pause on me that he strongly likes me and says im never lynch?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:17 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:15 pm what are your strongest reasons for liking pawn?

it doesnt give you pause on me that he strongly likes me and says im never lynch?

I am an adult capable of respecting someone's opinion that might be different than mine.

I am not here to determine those who will agree with me. I'm here to determine those who are lying to me.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:19 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:17 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:15 pm what are your strongest reasons for liking pawn?

it doesnt give you pause on me that he strongly likes me and says im never lynch?

I am an adult capable of respecting someone's opinion that might be different than mine.

I am not here to determine those who will agree with me. I'm here to determine those who are lying to me.

i am town and i have lied in this game for strategic reasons

a lot of how i play is built around making scum act awkwardly around what i do and im trying to figure out which player is acting awkwardly in a scummy way around me

as a town player, you should be willing to consider the world in which i am town. in that world, i am honestly telling you that your perspective on pawn would help me understand whether i should trust him more or not, and help adjust my read on you if you're town.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:19 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:19 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:17 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:15 pm what are your strongest reasons for liking pawn?

it doesnt give you pause on me that he strongly likes me and says im never lynch?

I am an adult capable of respecting someone's opinion that might be different than mine.

I am not here to determine those who will agree with me. I'm here to determine those who are lying to me.

i am town and i have lied in this game for strategic reasons

a lot of how i play is built around making scum act awkwardly around what i do and im trying to figure out which player is acting awkwardly in a scummy way around me

as a town player, you should be willing to consider the world in which i am town. in that world, i am honestly telling you that your perspective on pawn would help me understand whether i should trust him more or not, and help adjust my read on you if you're town.

Did you lie to me?

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:20 pm i read this game by seeing if peoples thoughts and reads are real and consistent, among other things

if i ask for a read on pawn you should give it because if youre town you should have confidence it would help give me pause on you, who i am currently scumreading and considering voting

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:21 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:20 pm i read this game by seeing if peoples thoughts and reads are real and consistent, among other things

if i ask for a read on pawn you should give it because if youre town you should have confidence it would help give me pause on you, who i am currently scumreading and considering voting

I told you my opinion on Pawn. Why are you belaboring the point?

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:21 pm the way town players genuinely articulate their reads in their heads should be part of what htey consider their defense for myself

i feel like i should get cred for confidently reading spiny/boo d2 as town but i cant point it out right now how towny i made that read

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:22 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:21 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:20 pm i read this game by seeing if peoples thoughts and reads are real and consistent, among other things

if i ask for a read on pawn you should give it because if youre town you should have confidence it would help give me pause on you, who i am currently scumreading and considering voting

I told you my opinion on Pawn. Why are you belaboring the point?

i need your reasons for why you trust him to evaluate whether its real or not

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:12 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:06 pm Man, so many town reads being handed out like candy over here, there's gotta be some TMI underneath them.

Oh totes. The question is who is truthful and who is TMIing. Considering like half of the players have posted at least some reads by now. And that is something that will take a bit to figure out frankly due to needing more data points and associatives to work with. So it can be a concern but not one that should be at the forefront of your mind until at least D1 starts.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:32 am Here’s a roughly ordered list from where I’m at now. Will try and write out comments for each person if I can later on but that might need to wait a bit due to school. So here's who I got before I needed to post.

Confirmed Town
Pawn Lelouch

Town
Creature

Town Lean
Master Radishes Love his interaction about Creature’s reaction and hard agree on hating the Sprityo post.
Iaafr
Epignosis
Vanity. His Nook insight is a towny type of insight and I have had that exact view on Michelle before in other games and have had it here already. It just feels like a genuine thought process.
Texas Cloverleaf

Null (+/neutral/-)
Evenstar (+)
MacDougall (+)
Nutella (+)
Spiny Creature(+) Note I am fully admitting to bias here due to the Hyena interactions but I just love her there, and while the content amount is low due to time, the actual content is good imo.

Benson (neutral)
112 (neutral)
Michelle (neutral) I fully admit I just have trouble reading her.
Juliets (Neutral) This is a weird one for me. Since she doesn’t actually have much content that is actually strong. Like she has it, but it all feels fairly shallow. However, I think her reaction to being stilted is real and as someone who is somewhat similar to that I can’t really endorse scum reads based on that due to not finding them accurate, and yes that does seem to be a fair bit of why people are scum reading her. So two conflicting views null out.
Jackofhearts2005 (neutral) Has the Creature read going for him but otherwise everything else is honestly very meh. It exists but that’s about it.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (neutral) There’s a passiveness and wishy washiness that I don’t really associate with town Nook but Vanity raised a really good point regarding him acting like a town who has been burned before which I can see. Two conflicting views null this out essentially.

Trustworthy Liberal (-)
Elephant (-)
Long Con (-)
TonyStarkPrime (-) So TSP has only a few things going on with him. The minor spat with Spiny, the one with me, and the relatively singleminded Juliets push. Spiny is a punctuation read that I find laughable on principle and am ignoring, the one on me I honestly didn't mind outside of his weird last sentence flip where he basically swapped to scum reading me at the end of the paragraph after leading up with town, since that was a strange look. Currently have this as a null - and their current position is currently tied directly to the opposite end as Juliets.

Scum Lean
Sprityo Mostly pure shitpost and the actual content post he put out was basically semi-incoherent when I looked through the ISO. Post #1413 exactly, is enough to drag him to scum lean,
Dragomir

Scum
Hyena
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Basically Don’t Exist yet and thus auto null (-) until more content.

DFaraday
Dom
Lady Lambdadelta
novaselinenever
Quin
Rej

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:10 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:06 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:00 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:39 am Eh, fuck it. Both Hyena and Dragomir are fairly low, so I'm willing to take out the creep first. Since while I'm pretty damn sure he's one of the people who have been roleplaying their roles like Mac, he's still gross about it.

What makes you think Mac is roleplaying?

... wait, was it that one weird post way back, where Mac was strangely enthusiastic?

It was more of a series of posts from then but pretty much, yeah.

I think it could be hilarious if I started roleplaying mine. OR I could end up looking like Dragomir.

Do you think roleplaying is suspicious?

Not at all. When Dragomir is being a creep though when using what I believe roleplaying as an excuse, even as a bad joke, I don't see a reason to keep him around when he's already in my bottom 3 reads.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:27 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:25 pm hey pawn whatup

which reads of yours should I sheep rn

Drago or TSP are probs my top two scum rn. MR, Creature, Vanity town. Also feeling pretty good about Epi and Texas rn.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:52 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:40 am fuckit bros let's kill drago

Let's go.

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:36 pm And thus the triad is broken and I can freely place my vote. Out of TL, Michelle, and Drago, Drago is by far the scummiest imo.

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:50 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:49 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:48 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:48 pm fuck is Day over

You have 12 minutes. Epi and Drago are main 2 wagons.

Like hell.

Off of vote numbers yeah you two are. Unless 112 has made a big enough resurgence to make it a 3 way competition.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:51 pm > 112 5 votes

So they have then. 112 + Drago are the main two then.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:14 pm I like Pawn. I have no intention of voting there.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:23 pm look, i'm playing now, i'm trying to sort your slots once more and i'm re-evaluating.

do your parts by explaining your reads. you're an english teacher, you don't realize what i want is for you to articulate WHY you townread pawn?

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:24 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:14 pm I like Pawn. I have no intention of voting there.

this is your idea of an adequate answer to asking why you read him the way you do?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:35 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:29 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:28 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:26 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:23 pm y'all can act like it's a dumb tinfoil and I'll keep acting like y'all's susses of me are dumb tinfoils cuz from where I'm standing I believe in the latter far more

you gotta sell, rabbit

if you want to convince people you have to show them how they're wrong, not just insist they are

but none of them appear receptive to my way of townreading myself and just want me to defend against accusations in ways where I'd normally be quoting d1 posts

and if I think they're all scum and all the actual town are townreading me I can be satisfied with this gamestate

when have you ever played a mafia game that was that convenient

Once I played a game that allowed claiming but the host said it wouldn’t help us win but then we massclaimed and won really easily. Does that count?

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:24 pm and you havent re-evaluated him since then?

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:24 pm you cant make an on the spot summary of why you like him?

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:25 pm gotta copypaste the work you forged n1?

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:26 pm your way of evaluating me is dumb from my perspective and i have consider it a valid defense to treat it as such

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:26 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:24 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:14 pm I like Pawn. I have no intention of voting there.

this is your idea of an adequate answer to asking why you read him the way you do?

Yes.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:27 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:26 pm your way of evaluating me is dumb from my perspective and i have consider it a valid defense to treat it as such

My way of evaluating you was asking you one question.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:29 pm What's the best is that Epi's post contains way more content than any single rabbit post.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:30 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:29 pm What's the best is that Epi's post contains way more content than any single rabbit post.

youre the worst poster in this game

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:28 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:27 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:26 pm your way of evaluating me is dumb from my perspective and i have consider it a valid defense to treat it as such

My way of evaluating you was asking you one question.

and i answered the question honestly and you decided to distrust my answer which is objectively incorrect in this game in which i am town so its a really dumb way of evaluating me if youre town

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:32 pm stop trying to teach me how to play

i predicted dragomir would end up the lynch that day 100% and i was right

i signalled over and over i didnt actually want to lynch 112 d1

my no lynch meant nothing in the scheme of things because i predicted things correctly

if you see me miss a game-losing vote in the postgame report then you can chastise me but as it stands i did not vote in a way that impeded scum being lynched so stop teaching me how to play in any capacity please

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:32 pm Pawn seems fine. I have no reason to suspect him or not suspect him.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:32 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:28 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:27 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:26 pm your way of evaluating me is dumb from my perspective and i have consider it a valid defense to treat it as such

My way of evaluating you was asking you one question.

and i answered the question honestly and you decided to distrust my answer which is objectively incorrect in this game in which i am town so its a really dumb way of evaluating me if youre town

"Objectively incorrect."

I don't think you know what objectivity means.

You answered the question this way:

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:32 pm stop trying to teach me how to play

i predicted dragomir would end up the lynch that day 100% and i was right

i signalled over and over i didnt actually want to lynch 112 d1

my no lynch meant nothing in the scheme of things because i predicted things correctly

if you see me miss a game-losing vote in the postgame report then you can chastise me but as it stands i did not vote in a way that impeded scum being lynched so stop teaching me how to play in any capacity please

Your answer may well be the truth. If so, I am baffled.

It is not enough for me to call you good.

Therefore, you remain a suspect, especially in this limited environment.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:29 pm i am speaking objective truth here

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:51 pm sorry my tongue is not as silver as the Elite Company you keep who apparently can regularly convince town that theyre wolves

this is the literal implication i am battling unless you admit you just perspective slipped and just painted yourself as scum which you wont

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:37 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:51 pm sorry my tongue is not as silver as the Elite Company you keep who apparently can regularly convince town that theyre wolves

this is the literal implication i am battling unless you admit you just perspective slipped and just painted yourself as scum which you wont

I convinced a townie I had recruited him into a cult that didn’t exist once. Forever my greatest accomplishment.